**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 18 02:59:58 2016 Aug 18 06:39:03 Total wall clock time: 1d 14h 48m 19s Aug 18 06:39:03 Downloaded: 440602 files, 84G in 18h 18m 31s (1.31 MB/s) Aug 18 06:39:11 modland archived. ;) Aug 18 07:51:34 hi Aug 18 08:05:14 hi Aug 18 10:01:50 I have come to the conclusion that anything involving audio algorithms is a nightmare to reverse engineer. Aug 18 10:01:58 PulseAudio stuff is a nightmare. Aug 18 10:02:07 Anything involving unknown audio codecs is also a nightmare. Aug 18 10:16:13 jonwil: clean alsa if possible always the best... pulse always problems... Aug 18 10:22:10 yeah I know that but Nokia made the decision to use PulseAudio Aug 18 10:22:38 So we have no choice but to reverse engineer the nokia blobs Aug 18 11:52:28 audio isn't that much of a nightmare, but pulseaudio .... pff :) Aug 18 11:58:05 no, but for driver to be mainlined/distributed it matters greatly Aug 18 11:58:15 eh, wrong chan Aug 18 18:51:34 promoted https://maemo.org/packages/view/fcam-drivers/ according to peterleinchen's request Aug 18 19:08:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqP0SIAcazc unrelated Aug 18 19:22:16 so, was it tested? Aug 18 19:22:34 or we are switching now 'dev reqiested promotion' part? Aug 18 19:27:04 not saying anything about package itself, because i dont use it, but it shows the sad state of things when even such useful software cant gather 6 votes Aug 18 19:29:31 just use armbian's one Aug 18 19:30:04 nope. Aug 18 19:30:09 its a regular file Aug 18 19:30:18 sits in boot partition Aug 18 19:30:31 called script.bin (compiled fex) Aug 18 19:33:54 https://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib/tree/master/config/fex Aug 18 19:35:51 damn. wrong chan Aug 18 19:37:27 autocomp edit comes up with an error sayng "unknown dictionary" Aug 18 19:37:48 it's definitely a known dictionary Aug 18 19:37:55 becuase it's english Aug 18 19:38:10 I dunno any other way to edit the autocomplete settings Aug 18 20:06:47 KotCzarny: It depends on the term "promoted", promoted to or from where. fcam-drivers has for a long time caused dependency chaos IIRC. Aug 18 20:07:04 apparently from extras-devel to extras Aug 18 20:07:13 fishbulb: you can delete the dictionary and start with clean slate Aug 18 20:07:24 and version promoted was from 2010 or 2011 Aug 18 20:07:46 promotion maybe from devel to testing for example, which means it would still require QA Aug 18 20:08:07 how many votes has oscp now? i did vote ;) Aug 18 20:08:08 nah, dev can promote to testing himself Aug 18 20:08:23 sicelo: oscp version in testing is OLD Aug 18 20:08:31 quite a lot bugs fixed on the way Aug 18 20:08:49 Also it maybe the case, that votes have been completed but dev has not accepted promotion. Aug 18 20:08:51 but i may get around to promote again Aug 18 20:09:03 swb: 0 votes on that package Aug 18 20:09:39 Either way there has always been a option for CC to promoted/demote packages under special circumstances. Aug 18 20:09:59 ahm, nvm, it was from -devel to -testing Aug 18 20:10:20 but that could be done by author o.o Aug 18 20:10:49 look at speedpatch etc Aug 18 20:10:53 some don't, or forget, etc. Aug 18 20:11:22 i tried to vote for autocompedit .. it's still in devel .. maintainer hasn't promo'ed it Aug 18 20:11:34 sicelo: exactly Aug 18 20:11:43 sicelo, 'package karma: 8 out of 10' thanks anyway :) Aug 18 20:12:09 lol Aug 18 20:12:16 need two more guys Aug 18 20:12:44 but as i said, even then it would require voting again on new version Aug 18 20:12:49 i thought non-free needed 9 votes, not 10? Aug 18 20:12:54 ideally you need a new maintainer to promote but this can also be a brick wall if you can't contact original maintainer Aug 18 20:12:55 10 afair Aug 18 20:13:19 swb: isnt maintainership transfer proper solution? Aug 18 20:13:20 free = 6 non-free 10 IIRC Aug 18 20:13:38 wonder where i go the 9 Aug 18 20:14:22 you can be added to the maintainers list but only by a current maintainer so if the package it no longer maintained you need CC to get an admin to do this. Aug 18 20:14:34 >>shows the sad state of things when even such useful software cant gather 6 votes<< please don't comment on stuff you don't understand or bothered to try and understand. I just promoted the package to testing, so how could it possobly have gathered a single vote yet? Aug 18 20:16:45 good info sixwheeledbeast .. will check up on irssi maintainership Aug 18 20:17:12 DocScrutinizer05: doc, as i said already, i overlooked the fact it was devel-testing promotion Aug 18 20:17:55 I agree it's been hard to get packages promoted for a long time, however, it's a tried and tested QA procedure. Aug 18 20:23:13 promotion should work again. There been a known issue where packeages didn't get built anew even on revision bumps Aug 18 20:23:27 please holler when you spot any such issue Aug 18 20:24:13 and watchout with your revision string, it needs to be *exactly* formed like defined for maemo Aug 18 20:25:47 ((I just promoted the package to testing,)) >>fcam-drivers 1.0.7-2 Fremantle Extras-testing free armel Package is in testing System 2016-08-18 19:46 UTC<< Aug 18 20:25:54 http://maemo.org/packages/view/fcam-drivers/ Aug 18 20:28:02 ((cam-drivers has for a long time caused dependency chaos IIRC.)) >>1.0.6-1 Now compiles a version for the power kernel and a version for the vanilla kernel and packs them both into the same .deb<< Aug 18 20:29:09 which also means you need to uninstall and reinstall fcam-drivers to get the right module, after you switched from stock to power kernel Aug 18 20:29:45 or meay a mere apt-get install suffices, dunno Aug 18 20:30:03 s/meay/maybe/ Aug 18 20:30:04 DocScrutinizer05 meant: or maybe a mere apt-get install suffices, dunno Aug 18 20:31:49 fcam-drivers is a nice example for a upgrade that's not really fitting into extras-* Aug 18 20:32:20 like powerkernel Aug 18 20:32:41 where should it be? Aug 18 20:32:45 both sort of work but are actually core system updates Aug 18 20:33:00 I'd think they belong to CSSU-* Aug 18 20:33:09 possibly into optional packages there Aug 18 20:33:15 wasnt cssu argued as 'only updates to system packages' ? Aug 18 20:33:24 fcam-drivers is in extras (?) Aug 18 20:33:44 how's kernel and a kernel driver not a system package? Aug 18 20:33:44 I dont exactly understand your point here Aug 18 20:34:02 a kernel driver isn't necessarily a base "system" package Aug 18 20:34:16 (neither is a kernel to be fair, but .... let's say a kernel is "base") Aug 18 20:34:21 nevermind Aug 18 20:34:42 sixwheeledbeast: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qnotted/0.0.3/ <== just voted ;) Aug 18 20:34:58 KotCzarny: cssu was designed to "upgrade packages in stock / nokia repositories" Aug 18 20:35:21 (that would normally be upgraded through SSU) Aug 18 20:35:47 bencoh, yeah, something like that. i remember someone arguing about things cssu is NOT for Aug 18 20:36:31 after updating cssu most apps that I did use don't work anymore Aug 18 20:36:37 sicelo: :) Aug 18 20:36:40 sorry Aug 18 20:37:17 sixwheeledbeast: thank ginggs Aug 18 20:37:18 not most, I should be accurate, some Aug 18 20:37:45 DocScrutinizer05: would you happen to know why https://maemo.org/packages/view/fcam-drivers/ explicitely requires authentification (at least here) while http (no ssl) doesn't? Aug 18 20:38:01 ie I can't view the https page (I get the login page instead) Aug 18 20:38:09 where is the autocorrect dictionary? Aug 18 20:38:22 sicelo: I did, I am grateful he bumps my testing campaign thread on TMO Aug 18 20:39:38 fishbulb: check out the thread for autocompleteeditor .. i forgot the location Aug 18 20:39:50 hmm, didnt know mainainer can vote on his own package Aug 18 20:40:03 maybe that's the magic 9 Aug 18 20:40:05 he can also downvote it Aug 18 20:40:11 lol KotCzarny .. yes, vote for oscp Aug 18 20:40:18 :) Aug 18 20:41:56 bencoh: no idea Aug 18 20:42:12 bencoh: rewrite rule? Aug 18 20:42:40 mayb Aug 18 20:43:02 hmm, cant vote Aug 18 20:43:17 lets try another browser Aug 18 20:43:35 I have noticed recently *.maemo.org will not resolve with HTTPS everywhere addon. I guess cert issue somewhere? Aug 18 20:44:26 certificate has changed 2 weeks ago Aug 18 20:44:34 fishbulb: /home/user/.osso/dictionaries ... although mine is empty .. there might be another one somewhere Aug 18 20:44:36 ((after updating cssu most apps that I did use don't work anymore)) I'd usually make a big alarm about it, but given the source of that report.... Aug 18 20:44:44 pebkac as usual? Aug 18 20:45:26 ok, i need one more user/tester Aug 18 20:45:45 pity voting is for such old version Aug 18 20:46:12 KotCzarny: or you could go for a really FOSS version ;) Aug 18 20:46:18 and push to -free Aug 18 20:46:20 will do, will do Aug 18 20:46:47 but at current state it wouldnt chew through autobuilder Aug 18 20:47:08 :) Aug 18 20:47:46 it needs newer gcc Aug 18 20:47:53 but ... why? Aug 18 20:48:03 libav doesnt compile with 4.2 afair Aug 18 20:48:13 o.O Aug 18 20:48:16 depends on your libav version Aug 18 20:48:26 it used to not so long ago (2 years?) Aug 18 20:48:27 or something similar Aug 18 20:48:53 and .... use ffmpeg anyway ;p Aug 18 20:48:58 ffmpeg still builds Aug 18 20:49:10 you know what's the difference between ffmpeg and libav? Aug 18 20:49:13 I seem to recall CSSU team been pondering to get a new gcc version into autobuilder Aug 18 20:49:17 I do, yeah ;) Aug 18 20:49:20 :) Aug 18 20:49:43 DocScrutinizer05: there are a few implications there though Aug 18 20:49:49 :nod: Aug 18 20:50:05 maybe some .deb rule to select gcc version? Aug 18 20:50:11 :nod: Aug 18 20:50:47 thumb needs new compiler too iirc Aug 18 20:50:50 * KotCzarny imagines bundling gcc with source package and hacking build scripts to use it, he he Aug 18 20:52:34 wasn't there quite some fun with autobuilder and packages for python 2.5|2.6|2.8|3.0 ? Aug 18 20:52:55 sicelo, mine is empty too Aug 18 20:53:24 python current setup sucks. it should install to /opt and use symlinks instead of mounts Aug 18 20:53:29 maybe that's why the autocorrect editor isn't working Aug 18 20:53:34 ((there might be another one somewhere )) find and locate are your friends Aug 18 20:54:02 mine works fishbulb .. maybe read through the whole thread .. it was quite informative .. but i haven't used it in a looong time Aug 18 20:54:03 KotCzarny: :nod: Aug 18 20:54:15 your what works? Aug 18 20:54:22 editor Aug 18 20:54:31 sicelo: find -newer Aug 18 20:54:32 mine doesn't Aug 18 20:54:47 after the last stable cssu update Aug 18 20:54:48 sicelo: ...after adding a term to autofoo Aug 18 20:55:08 that's why i'm suggesting you read through the thread on tmo, fishbulb Aug 18 20:55:12 fishbulb: no, after you last time looked outa the window Aug 18 20:55:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qchPLaiKocI unrelated Aug 18 20:55:42 DocScrutinizer05, was that supposed to make sense? Aug 18 20:56:13 CatButts: please stop it. doesn't show here anyway Aug 18 20:56:33 which thread sicelo ? Aug 18 20:56:36 fishbulb: does yours make sense? Aug 18 20:56:39 pfffft, ok Aug 18 20:56:45 no musics then Aug 18 20:56:59 get down it, though Aug 18 20:56:59 I need to get rid of the dictionary wherever it is Aug 18 20:57:06 where is it? Aug 18 20:57:22 search .. :) Aug 18 20:57:30 it's still where it always been, CSSU doesn't change that Aug 18 20:57:30 for what? Aug 18 20:57:40 sicelo: find -newer Aug 18 20:57:48 autocompleteeditor .. Aug 18 20:57:59 I have autocomplete editor Aug 18 20:58:02 DocScrutinizer05: i don't remember the file name either .. or what to 'find' Aug 18 20:58:08 fishbulb: ? :-/ Aug 18 20:58:22 find -NEWER 10 minutes Aug 18 20:58:28 search for its thread .. that's what i'm saying Aug 18 20:58:37 what's tmo Aug 18 20:58:43 ~tmo Aug 18 20:58:43 extra, extra, read all about it, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. Aug 18 21:00:41 ~t-mo Aug 18 21:00:41 i heard t-mo is T-Mobile Aug 18 21:00:45 sicelo: sorry, correctly `find -ctime n` Aug 18 21:01:25 negative 'n' means newer iirc Aug 18 21:02:18 can't find it Aug 18 21:02:45 hello ^^ Aug 18 21:02:52 hi Aug 18 21:03:06 fishbulb: you aren't searching seriously enough :p Aug 18 21:03:30 btw, in that directory i gave above, the files are actually there .. but they are hidden files ;) Aug 18 21:03:45 bwahahahaha Aug 18 21:04:18 u guys/girls are still using n900 ? Aug 18 21:04:19 :) Aug 18 21:04:28 * DocScrutinizer05 disabled autofoo 2 days after unpacking his very first N900 Aug 18 21:04:28 n900 for life! Aug 18 21:04:49 i got one today for 30$ and it looks brand new,and works perfect Aug 18 21:04:53 KotCzarny: fail! Aug 18 21:04:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Aug 18 21:05:04 ;-) Aug 18 21:05:30 doc, drop the price 10x and i will consider ;) Aug 18 21:05:36 aLinux: congrats and welcome here Aug 18 21:05:50 KotCzarny: I really wish I could Aug 18 21:05:55 i know Aug 18 21:05:59 in 2010 i had n900 and i sold it about 4 months later... Aug 18 21:06:04 :´( Aug 18 21:06:05 now im back again here :D Aug 18 21:06:18 i noticed ovi store is dead.. Aug 18 21:06:27 i use to install bounce from there Aug 18 21:06:31 so, ready to reflash/update? Aug 18 21:06:31 :( Aug 18 21:06:33 yeah, not that it ever really was alive and kicking Aug 18 21:06:34 ~repos Aug 18 21:06:35 hmm... repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos Aug 18 21:06:39 aLinux: welcome back then :) Aug 18 21:06:43 thank you Aug 18 21:06:45 ~flashing Aug 18 21:06:45 [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing Aug 18 21:07:17 there are ovi mirrors around as well Aug 18 21:07:26 aLinux: KotCzarnyhas a point there Aug 18 21:07:34 bencoh too Aug 18 21:07:38 bencoh, werent there ovi mirrors on muarf? Aug 18 21:07:52 KotCzarny: yup, but password-protected (using nokia auth) Aug 18 21:07:58 i dont remember... i forgot most of the tweaks i did.. Aug 18 21:07:59 hahaha Aug 18 21:08:17 the awesome ""password"" Aug 18 21:08:31 yeah the one that's available freely on wiki.m.o ;) Aug 18 21:08:35 aLinux: talk.maemo.org is your friend Aug 18 21:08:45 and w.m.o of course Aug 18 21:08:51 ^^ Aug 18 21:09:05 i just wanted to see who is online here ^^ Aug 18 21:09:23 after you reflash: Aug 18 21:09:23 aLinux: still a few people as you can see :) Aug 18 21:09:24 ~cssu Aug 18 21:09:25 or ask here. Actually always ask here before assuming and guessing. Mostly folks here are a nice and helpful bunch Aug 18 21:09:25 i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Aug 18 21:09:52 there is a chance previous owner already installed cssu Aug 18 21:10:03 irrelevant Aug 18 21:10:04 but if you reflash, you will have to redo Aug 18 21:10:11 do a full reflash Aug 18 21:10:31 ~fushbulb Aug 18 21:10:35 ~fishbulb Aug 18 21:10:36 hmm... fishbulb is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 Aug 18 21:10:49 two things to watch out: Aug 18 21:10:55 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50 Aug 18 21:11:03 usb and modem (dont push keys too hard) Aug 18 21:11:26 and always plug/unplug usb carefully and without skewing Aug 18 21:11:39 yep USB jack is a known flimsy thing and source of defects Aug 18 21:11:45 ~usbfix Aug 18 21:11:45 usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt Aug 18 21:12:01 fishbulb: i'm feeling 'generous' today .. there's your thread - https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55884 Aug 18 21:12:03 aLinux: are you taking notes? Aug 18 21:12:19 sicelo: you're just too nice :-D Aug 18 21:12:27 :D some ,yes Aug 18 21:12:40 ((notes)) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Aug 18 21:12:41 aLinux: you can just note bot commands Aug 18 21:12:53 so you can ask bot again if you forget Aug 18 21:12:57 10 min ago i flashed my n900 with pr 1.3 to remove the bload Aug 18 21:13:10 bloat.. Aug 18 21:13:14 :-)) Aug 18 21:13:26 see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50 please Aug 18 21:13:39 you also *might* find useful: Aug 18 21:13:42 ~jrtools Aug 18 21:13:43 i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Aug 18 21:13:54 though that's for power users mostly Aug 18 21:14:07 thank you Aug 18 21:14:10 yw Aug 18 21:14:17 thanks you for dropping by here Aug 18 21:14:31 should i install CSSU ? Aug 18 21:14:36 definitely Aug 18 21:14:37 definitely yes Aug 18 21:14:40 yup! Aug 18 21:14:41 alright ! Aug 18 21:14:43 :) Aug 18 21:14:51 see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50 please Aug 18 21:15:03 biggest plus of cssu is faster package manager Aug 18 21:15:13 30x faster than stock (as some claim ;) Aug 18 21:15:17 sweet Aug 18 21:15:38 i cant belive im holding a n900 again.. after 6 years !! Aug 18 21:15:49 I don't claim that, I tested it :-P Aug 18 21:16:03 feels good, eh? ;) Aug 18 21:16:14 it feel pretty damn good! Aug 18 21:16:19 solid.. Aug 18 21:16:51 sicelo, thanks, but the last post is in 2011 Aug 18 21:17:00 first to ~lazyflashing, the ~jrrrepos Aug 18 21:17:07 it was working a few months ago the last time I tried it Aug 18 21:17:13 fishbulb: so????????????????? Aug 18 21:17:19 * sicelo gives up Aug 18 21:17:22 :> Aug 18 21:17:22 well in 2011 it was DEFINITELY working Aug 18 21:17:31 sicelo: told ya youre too nice Aug 18 21:17:35 the dictionary directory is empty Aug 18 21:18:34 DocScrutinizer05, aren't you about 60? you act like 14 or something Aug 18 21:18:52 fishbulb: it is NOT empty .. i mentioned it contains "hidden" files Aug 18 21:19:05 I'm looking at it wth root though Aug 18 21:19:17 ls -la ? Aug 18 21:19:20 I don't know how else to see hidden fles Aug 18 21:19:21 files Aug 18 21:19:45 what bencoh shows you Aug 18 21:19:45 i dont know if he trolls or lacks basic linux knowledge and ability to learn/do things exactly as told Aug 18 21:19:52 http://paste.opensuse.org/41760466 Aug 18 21:20:32 I lack terminal knowledge Aug 18 21:20:33 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks a little Aug 18 21:20:51 ~flasher Aug 18 21:20:51 from memory, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Aug 18 21:20:56 youbi: Aug 18 21:20:59 can I just delete the dictionaries or o I have to remove flags Aug 18 21:21:01 ~flashing Aug 18 21:21:01 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing Aug 18 21:21:11 ~lazyflashing Aug 18 21:21:11 somebody said lazyflashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Aug 18 21:21:26 replaced nokia core repos,installed cssu.. now i got updates ^^ Aug 18 21:21:34 KotCzarny: thanks :) Aug 18 21:21:39 fishbulb: that's what you'll find out from the thread .. see the puzzle coming together now Aug 18 21:21:53 ~firmware Aug 18 21:21:54 Youbi: actually use lazy Aug 18 21:21:54 firmware is probably please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher Aug 18 21:22:10 it's really easy Aug 18 21:22:12 youbi: just use the script from the bot link, it downloads firmware itslef Aug 18 21:22:32 since *I* am lazy ;-P Aug 18 21:22:40 fishbulb: very first post explains everything, including how to produce a clean dictionary Aug 18 21:22:57 Ok doing it :) Aug 18 21:23:06 i got about 57mb of update and i get "unable to update libqtm-bearer conflicting application packages continue installing?" Aug 18 21:23:23 * DocScrutinizer05 bounces up and down a little, like a rubber ball Aug 18 21:23:40 ooooooh this is soooo exciting. A new user willing to learn Aug 18 21:23:57 two already Aug 18 21:24:02 yeah Aug 18 21:24:47 for some reason i cant update.. :/ it says i already have the files.. and it asks to continue then it fails :( Aug 18 21:24:54 Youbi: after you flashed, don't miss: Aug 18 21:24:59 ~jrrepos Aug 18 21:24:59 hmm... jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Aug 18 21:25:09 am i missing something ? Aug 18 21:25:13 I’m flashing again because I have the problem of the boot loop :( Aug 18 21:25:23 ~bootloop Aug 18 21:25:23 i guess bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. Aug 18 21:25:27 DocScrutinizer05: what are those repos for? Aug 18 21:25:28 you're not updating via apt-get, do you? Aug 18 21:25:39 im in application manager Aug 18 21:25:42 Youbi: they replace dead nokia repos Aug 18 21:25:48 Yeah the battery is charged at approximately 70% Aug 18 21:25:49 youbi: remember, bootloop can be as stupid as putting some bad command in ~/.profile Aug 18 21:25:56 Yep but that’s note. Aug 18 21:25:59 not* Aug 18 21:26:05 aLinux: old HA; takes literally 15 min Aug 18 21:26:13 HAM even Aug 18 21:26:22 so i should ignore and wait ? Aug 18 21:26:43 I went to outdoor camping (don’t know the exact english word) and my N900 went out of battery and since then, I have the loop :/ Aug 18 21:27:09 youbi, try charging in different battery or: Aug 18 21:27:16 And I ordered a new battery, the first time I recharged it and boot up, it worked. Aug 18 21:27:36 as long as HAM doesn't show a requester asking you to make a decision, you just wait a 15 min until it shows something Aug 18 21:27:51 requester or list Aug 18 21:27:59 or menu Aug 18 21:28:18 im not sure i understand "HAM".. Aug 18 21:28:27 or ... just edit apt conf :> Aug 18 21:28:28 [edit] ~flatbatrecover Aug 18 21:28:29 Hildon Application Manager Aug 18 21:28:29 ~ham Aug 18 21:28:29 methinks ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham Aug 18 21:28:35 ~flatbatrecover Aug 18 21:28:35 or manually install cssu ham Aug 18 21:28:35 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) Aug 18 21:28:38 ;p Aug 18 21:28:52 ok thank you i understand Aug 18 21:29:46 ~speedyham Aug 18 21:29:47 SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now Aug 18 21:30:01 so...: Aug 18 21:30:03 ~cssu Aug 18 21:30:04 methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Aug 18 21:30:27 Last time I was here and talked about a faster application manager, someone told me that it was bad to use it beauce of some problem with package management which could broke the system. Aug 18 21:30:31 HAM *really* sucks Aug 18 21:30:41 ~fapman Aug 18 21:30:41 fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam Aug 18 21:30:59 well... hildon is slow.. but i like it ^^ Aug 18 21:31:18 YEAH white light at boot Aug 18 21:31:20 4 dots Aug 18 21:31:25 Oh my. Orange led… Aug 18 21:31:27 aLinux: then you will love "speedyham" Aug 18 21:31:35 Oo 5 dots again Aug 18 21:31:55 Youbi: no battery? Aug 18 21:32:19 Youbi: wait for at least 90s Aug 18 21:32:28 Yep I’w waiting and letting it boot :) Aug 18 21:32:43 if after 2 minutes it still seems to reboot, you got a bootloop Aug 18 21:32:43 in the meantime .. something isn't right with WiFi on my N900 .. if I leave the connection idling, it basically ends up 'dead' although the icon still shows connection. either i have to reconnect, and sometimes even need to unload the driver. no, i've never installed any auto(dis)connect utilities on the N900 Aug 18 21:32:44 bencoh: nope I think it’s the post-flashing system init which take a while. Aug 18 21:33:10 yes, that takes even 5 min maybe Aug 18 21:33:12 sicelo: might be the router side too. see dmesg? Aug 18 21:33:14 i cant find "speedyham" on application manager.. and i installed cssu Aug 18 21:33:24 aLinux: speedyham is just a nickname Aug 18 21:33:41 aLinux: (speedy)HAM is in applications "applications" Aug 18 21:33:50 once you have cssu, you have it in place of ham Aug 18 21:33:55 DocScrutinizer05: isnt it in latest CSSU? Aug 18 21:33:56 ah :) Aug 18 21:33:57 looks the same, works much better Aug 18 21:34:00 it's the system's normal application mamager Aug 18 21:34:06 i forgot to open cssu after install Aug 18 21:34:23 yeah, a very common mistake Aug 18 21:34:25 i open it now.. and it shows me some packs to install Aug 18 21:34:33 :-))) Aug 18 21:35:02 Lock code… Hands with the MARVELOUS nokia song. Aug 18 21:35:10 * DocScrutinizer05 is sooo happy aLinux didn't say "I clicked *all* until it was installed" Aug 18 21:35:25 * CatButts curious Aug 18 21:35:26 downloading...38.3 MB :D Aug 18 21:35:31 :D Aug 18 21:35:41 N900, midi ringtones Aug 18 21:35:55 CatButts: won't fly Aug 18 21:36:02 what does the N900 come with by defaul.... Aug 18 21:36:04 dangit Aug 18 21:36:07 CatButts: you need to convert them to a decent format Aug 18 21:36:08 mp3/aac Aug 18 21:36:54