**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:58 2016 Aug 21 06:19:37 DocScrutinizer05: hmmm ? :) Aug 21 06:19:58 sorry, accidental highlight Aug 21 06:20:25 I tested "scripting" in konversation Aug 21 06:21:07 happened to use your nick in userlist to test my whois-info quickbutton Aug 21 06:22:54 meanwhile I'm doing more ambitioned stuff that finally ended with somebody pointing me at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114237#c12 and the general shortcomings of konversation when it comes to scripting Aug 21 06:22:56 04Bug 114237: was not found. Aug 21 06:23:53 #c11 (above) is also very much to the point Aug 21 06:26:24 ((quickbuttons)) just if you wonder: it's defined to do /WHOIS %s,%%u%n/msg nickserv info %u%n now, %n being the trick Aug 21 07:27:54 Reading over what happened early is vectis3_ using 64bit OS or a USB hub? Aug 21 07:28:38 I had similar issue using the front USB port on my desktop instead of the rear ones for example. Aug 21 07:30:48 If the flasher is known to flash another device this will not be the case, but just a thought Aug 21 07:33:06 worth a try Aug 21 07:50:33 sixwheeledbeast: a hub or low quality hostport/cable/whatever will usually result in lots of -101 errors in syslog Aug 21 07:50:59 ok Aug 21 07:59:46 could also be -78 or whatever, though I seem to recall -101 was most common Aug 21 08:02:15 usb 5-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 Aug 21 08:03:15 and eventually hub 5-0:5.1: unable to enumerate USB device Aug 21 11:03:27 Hello all o/ Aug 21 11:05:37 uhllo Aug 21 11:17:26 how can I watch youtube on an n900? Aug 21 11:18:08 cutetube2 Aug 21 11:18:36 there's a sequel? Aug 21 11:19:51 which repo is it in? Aug 21 11:20:03 probably extras-devel Aug 21 11:20:11 and it does work? Aug 21 11:20:31 few months ago it worked, i dont use it, so you just have to install it and check Aug 21 11:20:34 cutetube doesn't anymore Aug 21 11:20:55 did i say cutetube or cutetube2? Aug 21 11:21:31 cutetube2 does work Aug 21 11:21:31 please don't hit me! Aug 21 11:22:27 ah that reminds me marxoft killed the local videos plugin Aug 21 11:22:31 marxian* Aug 21 11:22:51 bencoh, why so? Aug 21 11:22:54 (well actually he didn't fully re-implement external plugin support with his new plugin system) Aug 21 11:23:09 so afaict it doesn't work thus far Aug 21 11:23:33 the thing is he's not on irc so .... Aug 21 11:23:45 (discussing that kind of stuff on TMO isn't exacctly handy) Aug 21 12:17:01 youtube-dl does work. Aug 21 12:17:26 It’s cli, though. You have to open yt in the web browser, get the URL, and download the video. Aug 21 16:33:55 Any way to test if a physical key is working on the N900 (or does anyone have any ideas why my ctrl, fn, shift, t, down arrow and right arrow keys stopped working? Aug 21 16:50:21 Maybe Dirt stuck under the physical Keyboard. On my Replacement-N900 i recently received per physical Snail-Mail, some Keys are stuck because of Dirt stuck under the physical Keys. So when my current N900 will stop working (i hope never) i will have to screw it up, shake the Dirt out, and then reassemble. Aug 21 18:10:05 atk: see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard Aug 21 18:10:33 APic: I have taken it apart a few times now, no dirt found Aug 21 18:10:37 looks like your QROW4 is dead, for whatever reasons Aug 21 18:10:53 Yep Aug 21 18:10:55 hmm Aug 21 18:11:47 I did get a tiny amount of water on the keys on friday, it was raining Aug 21 18:12:42 atk: if you like (logical) puzzles, you might read my explanation about key ghosting aka rollover in http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard and maybe exploit that to determine what's actually wrong with QROW4 Aug 21 18:13:01 I was just reading that, indeed. Aug 21 18:13:05 Seems interesting. Aug 21 18:14:15 So there is no diode for each key? Aug 21 18:16:33 no, not in N900 Aug 21 18:16:51 no diodes at all Aug 21 18:18:25 Well, certainly the actual physical keys are all working fine, I can cause ghosting using the keys in row 4 Aug 21 18:18:27 with N-Key rollover you should be able to determine if QROW4 is disconnected from chip (broken trace) so no signal reaches chip, or if QROW4 is shorted to GND or whatever and thus will short other QROWs to GND as well with N-key rollover Aug 21 18:22:17 For example fn+ctrl + h gives me hj Aug 21 18:23:16 when pressing Shift+T+X you should see X+E when QROW4 floating (broken solder joint or trace), and you see no keypress at all (after initial settling) when QROW4 is shorted to GND Aug 21 18:23:50 yeah, fn+ctrl+h ->j means your QROW4 is floating Aug 21 18:23:51 ah, it appears there must be a broken solder joint or trace. Aug 21 18:23:56 yes Aug 21 18:23:57 Darn Aug 21 18:24:00 sorry Aug 21 18:24:27 I would need to remove the domesheet and attempt to inspect the board I presume? Aug 21 18:24:39 Unless it goes to an internal layer, but I can't image how that would break. Aug 21 18:24:45 might help, might fail Aug 21 18:25:01 I guess I did only pay £40 for this N900 :P Aug 21 18:25:17 It has lasted me a year (although I only started using it not long ago) Aug 21 18:25:28 odds are a ball of TPS65950 aka GAIA aka TWL4030 came loose Aug 21 18:25:48 or a via broke Aug 21 18:25:53 :( Aug 21 18:26:19 If it's a ball, I could test it by applying pressure to the chip. Aug 21 18:26:56 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_01.jpeg Aug 21 18:27:01 yes Aug 21 18:27:21 It appears there are a few chips on there that are BGA chips Aug 21 18:27:57 Any idea which one? Aug 21 18:28:05 (also, most of those are under a shield) Aug 21 18:29:27 Well I certainly do plan on using an N900 until the Neo900 comes, so any idea where I can get a good relatively cheap refurbished / new replacement? (I don't mind if it's more than £40, that was a deal of a lifetime I feel) Aug 21 18:31:27 dang, QROW4 is *not* via ESD chip Z4302, that would have been a great chance for an easy fix, one way or another Aug 21 18:32:03 :( Aug 21 18:32:39 Is the shield soldered down or is it a press fit between a shield fence thing (metal bit around the periphery) and a lid? Aug 21 18:32:43 check ownta,com Aug 21 18:32:49 It looks like the latter. Aug 21 18:33:09 yes, shiled can opening is a zen thing Aug 21 18:34:14 you need to carefully pry it open, latch by latch, with a pinpoint tiny knife or something. Takes easily 10 min per lid Aug 21 18:34:32 start at a corner Aug 21 18:34:47 109 USD, and that comes up to around £108 after conversion + tax + paperwork Aug 21 18:35:01 yup Aug 21 18:35:15 I have some fine point tweezers, will they work? Aug 21 18:35:20 at least I already used ownta, they seem to be no scam Aug 21 18:35:46 (tweezers) if you don't mind to ruin them, yes Aug 21 18:35:47 Do they give any warranty? Aug 21 18:35:55 Ah, I'd rather not ruin them. Aug 21 18:36:03 I use them for doing fiddly electronics things. Aug 21 18:36:08 I think the ususal DOA warranty, yes Aug 21 18:38:05 atk: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/21/plasma-desktopNQ2277.png TWL5030 Aug 21 18:39:41 get Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf Aug 21 18:40:33 https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxuaXRkcm9pZHxneDo0ZDBkZThmOGFiZThlNmU0 for example Aug 21 18:45:09 success! Aug 21 18:45:15 That really did take about 10 minutes Aug 21 18:45:35 But the shield looks like I haven't even touched it. Aug 21 18:45:57 Hmm... Is this some kind of tiered design? Aug 21 18:46:07 (for the big chip on the right) Aug 21 18:49:15 nope, no amount of light tapping or pressure appears to allow any kind of t to appear on the screen of xterm Aug 21 18:50:55 Well, I am certainly confused as to how this came to be. But I can guess that unfortunately there's not much I can do about it. Aug 21 18:51:21 DocScrutinizer05: Another question: do the refurbished N900s come with a supercap to replace the battery out of the box? Aug 21 18:51:29 Or will I need to replace the battery after a year too? Aug 21 18:53:54 I guess you should replace it right away, I'm pretty sure they didn't fix that Aug 21 18:54:31 I admit I didn't even test bupbat on the refurbs I got so far Aug 21 18:54:51 I guess I'll just remove it when it fails (I don't even really need it that much) Aug 21 18:54:57 no surprise since I'll kick out the mobos and fit in NeoN boards anyway Aug 21 18:55:09 I don't take the battery out and when I do I have the device set to receive the time from the network. Aug 21 18:55:22 :nod: same here Aug 21 18:55:49 I presume the NeoN doesn't have the issue of a leaky hard wired battery and uses a durable supercap instead/ Aug 21 18:56:03 yes, of course :-D Aug 21 18:56:31 I wonder, the N900 apparently also had some issues with balls cracking for the chip which deals with the sim card (and sim cards randomly losing connectivity) Aug 21 18:57:17 http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html Aug 21 18:57:34 hover over "backup battery" Aug 21 18:57:52 atk: yes Aug 21 18:58:15 the dreaded No-SIM bug Aug 21 18:58:22 ~springfix Aug 21 18:58:23 hmm... springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 Aug 21 18:59:26 ((chip which deals with the sim card)) aka Modem aka BB5 aka Rapuyama and friends Aug 21 19:00:49 Was it a chip issue? Aug 21 19:00:59 Or a manufacturing issue? Aug 21 19:01:10 solder points snapping open is my wild guess Aug 21 19:01:45 manuf issue with reflow temperature profile or somesuch, which also might be culprit of several of the USB-loose issues Aug 21 19:02:30 or maybe not temp profile but a simple sloppy solderpase stencil print Aug 21 19:02:51 IOW too few solderpaste Aug 21 19:03:11 Have you guys done any durability tests on the USB (it has been a constant fear of mine for the N900 :P) Aug 21 19:03:41 I'm using several N900 since they 'were born' and never had any USB incident Aug 21 19:03:53 (For the Neo900) Aug 21 19:04:03 and I actually didn't reinforce my USB Aug 21 19:04:30 Neo900 will use a different design that makes it wirtually impossible for USB kack to come off Aug 21 19:04:46 Neo900 will use a different design that makes it virtually impossible for USB jack to come off Aug 21 19:04:49 Cool Aug 21 19:05:01 bizzword through hole Aug 21 19:05:16 damn, my typing sucks. lack of caffeine Aug 21 19:05:17 Ah, very cool. Aug 21 19:05:37 Hmm. Aug 21 19:06:33 DocScrutinizer05: can you use a microusb cable to fling a neo900 without the musb port breaking Aug 21 19:06:37 I wonder, you know how USB specifies that A is for the host and B is for the device? And apparently phones which support OTG are supposed to use micro AB? Aug 21 19:06:47 Do phones that support OTG actually use micro AB? Aug 21 19:06:53 atk: yeah but nobody ever cared about that Aug 21 19:06:54 i think Aug 21 19:07:19 starting from the samsung galaxy s...3? Aug 21 19:07:27 I've been wondering this ever since I got a device which came with a "OTG" cable for plugging it into a phone. Aug 21 19:07:30 atk: yes, Neo900 uses micro-AB Aug 21 19:07:43 the cable is B on both sides Aug 21 19:07:45 which had a musb B plug - usb A port adapter Aug 21 19:08:11 atk: the op pyra has an actual microusb 3 A port Aug 21 19:08:12 it looks super dumb Aug 21 19:08:15 I wonder why the USB-IF doesn't get unnecessarily angry about it :P Aug 21 19:08:28 because samsung? Aug 21 19:08:41 I guess Aug 21 19:09:31 They seem to have completely done away with the A B stuff with usb C which appears to be both without needing an AB variant. Aug 21 19:09:47 It probably still has an ID pin I presume. Aug 21 19:10:29 Although, oddly enough I have a Teensy 3.2 which supports switching between device and host mode but doesn't seem to detect if it is being used as a host with an ID pin Aug 21 19:10:50 fsck USB, next year they will replace mains outlets worldwide by USB-E Aug 21 19:10:51 I guess the ID pin isn't actually needed. Aug 21 19:11:11 Heh Aug 21 19:11:13 ;-) Aug 21 19:11:31 I wouldn't be surprised. Aug 21 19:11:41 atk: in N900 it would have been friggin mad useful if used correctly Aug 21 19:11:45 I also wonder if usb C will have the same issue that apple's lightning connector has Aug 21 19:11:51 i.e. breaking after a single use Aug 21 19:12:17 LOL, didn't hear that Aug 21 19:12:32 sounds convenient... for apple Aug 21 19:12:33 I know a few apple users (who complain about apple but still use it) who are always going on about the new connectors. Aug 21 19:12:51 No matter if you purchase from apple or not, the connectors have about a week of lifetime in them. Aug 21 19:13:05 sometimes you're lucky and get a month, sometimes you're unlucky and get a day. Aug 21 19:13:19 ouch Aug 21 19:13:23 I have no idea how they've engineered a design that can't be implemented in a reliable way. Aug 21 19:14:28 micro-USB is basically rather sturdy regarding this. Way better than mini-USB Aug 21 19:14:35 But I guess it was probably on purpose, I mean apple don't seem to have managed to design a laptop which doesn't have one fundamental flaw (as can be seen from louis rossman's videos) Aug 21 19:15:10 * DocScrutinizer05 needs coffee Aug 21 19:15:15 Coffee is good Aug 21 19:15:25 Especially freshly ground coffee. Aug 21 19:15:45 With some cow extract and just enough sugar (less than half a teaspoon) to break through the bitterness. Aug 21 19:16:14 cow juice that is Aug 21 19:16:33 Brewed with hot but not boiled or boiling water. Aug 21 19:16:39 Just before boil (white boil as some call it) Aug 21 19:16:59 wow, an expert. I'm an ignorant Aug 21 19:17:19 basically I was a tea person Aug 21 19:17:23 Or you can use an old fashioned coffee machine which manages to get the temperature perfect using the integrated pot warming water boiling water pumping design. Aug 21 19:17:36 switxched to coffee because... lazyness Aug 21 19:17:57 therw when tey grow it, they sez milk and sugar is for killing the taste of bad coffee Aug 21 19:18:03 In fact, those coffee machines are pretty amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j4Q_YBRJEI Aug 21 19:19:12 dbthey also have a saying that there are two qualities of coffee they sell, the global good one and the crap for Germany where nobody cares Aug 21 19:19:23 dkbrz: ^^^ Aug 21 19:21:09 :P Aug 21 19:21:13 * DocScrutinizer05 changes his mind Aug 21 19:22:18 * DocScrutinizer05 prepares some 10EurCt/g fine tea instead some crappy instant coffee Aug 21 19:22:35 Tea can be very good too. Aug 21 19:22:46 also need fewer cow juice to be tasty Aug 21 19:22:49 It's also seems easier to get right. Aug 21 19:22:59 It doesn't need any cow extract! Just lemon Aug 21 19:23:02 basically yes Aug 21 19:23:17 Nobody here in the UK seems to know about tea with lemon Aug 21 19:23:27 Everyone seems to prefer the tea with cow extract. Aug 21 19:23:47 isnt that actually german invention? Aug 21 19:24:05 bavarian etc Aug 21 19:24:42 DocScrutinizer05: I buy some coffee via Germany :) it's a bit of politics, but 'Estrella Negra' via aroma-zapatista.de is good :) Aug 21 19:26:14 yeah, some few sources here know and trade good coffee Aug 21 19:26:27 The black market? Aug 21 19:26:39 however what 99% of unwashed masses consome is the junk from production Aug 21 19:27:50 Eduscho, Tchibo, even Moevenpick are basically crap Aug 21 19:30:31 KotCzarny: by the way, oscp uses gstreamer for general audio playback, or only when processing videos? Aug 21 19:30:51 Hmm I found a 12 month warranty "grade A" n900 for £80 on ebay Aug 21 19:30:53 only for playing videos, when disabled it decodes audio via libav Aug 21 19:31:07 (I know, ebay, paypal scum) Aug 21 19:34:23 Lacks charger and cables Aug 21 19:35:38 stolen? Aug 21 19:35:39 :) Aug 21 19:36:41 I would be very sad if someone stole my N900 Aug 21 19:37:19 not like it would really matter, those chargers are legion and allegedly genuine Nokia are cheap Aug 21 19:37:39 but sounds weird for a "grade A" n900 Aug 21 19:38:23 DocScrutinizer05: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361628670128 Aug 21 19:38:33 an AV-cable is of higher value than a cheesy USB charger Aug 21 19:39:02 atk, try craigslist Aug 21 19:39:15 and other local classifieds sites Aug 21 19:39:15 Does the Ownta one come with an av cable? Aug 21 19:41:03 atk: looks good Aug 21 19:41:20 (Ownta) nope Aug 21 19:41:23 craigslist.org -> N900 -> prebuilt pc Aug 21 19:41:25 not afaik Aug 21 19:42:23 Well, unless I can find something cheaper locally, I'll just go for that. Aug 21 19:42:39 If they can get it here within the week I can even collect it Aug 21 19:43:41 https://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Video-Video-Out-Cable-CA-75U/dp/B0026H9HN6 waaay too expensive, you can find cheaper ones though. And you need only one or two anyway Aug 21 19:44:33 Hmm, apparently this craigslist thing has a "prohibited button" which lets random people on the internet irreversibly flag a posting for deletion. Aug 21 19:44:47 So I may have irreversibly flagged this poor guy's listing for deletion. Aug 21 19:44:53 I have no idea why such a feature exists. Aug 21 19:45:07 https://www.amazon.com/HDE-3-5mm-Composite-Audio-Video/dp/B00GO4EPKC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_10 Aug 21 19:46:29 atk, they still check it before deletion i think Aug 21 19:46:51 It seems like even if the post doesn't break guidelines, you have to repost it :P Aug 21 19:47:07 I don't know, I see buttons on a website and I always have an urge to click them all. Aug 21 19:47:32 dangerous habit Aug 21 19:47:51 Not at all. Aug 21 19:48:27 What are other "craigslist" style websites for the UK? Aug 21 19:48:33 ah, that was it "gumtree" Aug 21 19:48:55 yeah Aug 21 19:49:57 https://www.gumtree.com/p/nokia/nokia-n900-phone-linux-phone/1184138244 Aug 21 19:50:21 good deal if true Aug 21 19:50:49 Manchester though Aug 21 19:50:51 I don't have a car Aug 21 19:50:56 but i always suspect 'no charger no cable' to be stolen goods Aug 21 19:50:59 The bus ticket to get there would cost more than the phone Aug 21 19:51:05 up to you Aug 21 19:51:27 It comes with the AV cable though :PO Aug 21 19:51:39 and a box Aug 21 19:51:43 AV cable and 2 BL-5J Aug 21 19:51:48 and a box Aug 21 19:51:49 ;) Aug 21 19:51:55 (AV cable) however watch out! AHS vs normal pinout https://www.amazon.com/review/R1E5TR0T16E6YG/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00GO4EPKC&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=172282&store=electronics Aug 21 19:53:51 atk, you might search for few more classifieds sites Aug 21 19:54:09 I have no experience with these :P Aug 21 19:54:41 google? Aug 21 19:54:51 try: nokia n900 Aug 21 19:55:17 (Actually, I would need to take a train to get to manchester, that would definitely end up costing at least as much as I paid for my current N900 Aug 21 19:55:57 Hmm, nope (google doesn't usually update that fast anyway) Aug 21 19:55:58 don't you have parcels in UK? Aug 21 19:56:11 Nope Aug 21 19:56:15 :P Aug 21 19:56:18 o.O Aug 21 19:56:29 (of course we do Aug 21 19:56:30 google updates FAST Aug 21 19:56:34 you would be surprised Aug 21 19:57:35 I think for GBP10 plus a 5 for parcel shipping you can't go wrong Aug 21 19:58:02 I need to test a script ;-) Aug 21 19:58:07 Gumtree appears to insist that shipping items is a bad idea though. Aug 21 19:58:52 yeah, you can get a potato Aug 21 19:58:52 ;) Aug 21 19:59:15 and you wouldnt have anything to do about it Aug 21 19:59:25 Of course Aug 21 20:00:14 s/wouldnt have/couldnt do/ Aug 21 20:00:15 KotCzarny meant: and you couldnt do anything to do about it Aug 21 20:00:28 uh. but you know what i mean Aug 21 20:00:32 That makes less sense. Aug 21 20:00:34 nfc how that craigslist stuff works, but can't you contact seller, possibly *after* purchase? Aug 21 20:01:04 also, those classifieds are all about dealing locally Aug 21 20:01:09 I think what black cat means is that if the seller decides to take your money and run, you can't do much. Aug 21 20:01:10 face to face Aug 21 20:01:50 which city you are in? Aug 21 20:01:51 I have always wondered about your name KotCzarny, even in polish CzarnyKot is more common than KotCzarny. Aug 21 20:01:55 whatever... Aug 21 20:01:57 Nottingham Aug 21 20:02:00 * DocScrutinizer05 sips his tea Aug 21 20:02:25 (It's a more common way of saying black cat, I mean) Aug 21 20:03:17 (Of course, since Polish is.... Polish... "Kot Czarny" is still perfectly ok.) Aug 21 20:03:20 black cat? ooh Aug 21 20:03:37 It's what Kot Czarny means in polish. Aug 21 20:04:27 try https://www.google.pl/#hl=en&q=%22Nottingham%22+classifieds Aug 21 20:05:29 Why is it called a "classified" ad? Aug 21 20:06:00 who knows, english is my second language Aug 21 20:06:02 (OT) >>Others will have to wait until we fix bug #114119<< (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114237#c3) *awesome* Aug 21 20:06:04 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/114119 was not found. Aug 21 20:06:05 04Bug 114237: was not found. Aug 21 20:06:10 try m-w.com for definitions Aug 21 20:06:18 povbot_: shut up! Aug 21 20:06:18 DocScrutinizer05: Error: "shut" is not a valid command. Aug 21 20:07:17 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to pester mgedmin to fix this useless function Aug 21 20:08:45 'classified' like 'XXX rated' ;-P Aug 21 20:09:48 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_advertising Aug 21 20:10:35 ah, classified in the "sorted into classifications" sense Aug 21 20:10:39 I thought that might be the case Aug 21 20:14:33 product group classifications? Aug 21 20:14:57 service classifications too Aug 21 20:15:18 nfc Aug 21 20:16:18 maybe it doesn't matter anymore. Prolly a term that meanwhile lost its original meaning and gained a new unique one Aug 21 20:17:03 KotCzarny: Well, none of the ones on the first page have any N900 listings Aug 21 20:17:24 when you dig deep enough you will find more than 50% of words are of this type Aug 21 20:17:42 chauvinism Aug 21 20:18:31 atk, browsing ads is similar to hunting, you have to spend some time before you get your prize Aug 21 20:18:46 might take some time if game is alredy rare :P Aug 21 20:18:48 lost its meaning in common usage, rather used as an almost synonym to sexism Aug 21 20:19:26 there are lost more Aug 21 20:19:58 hmm... maybe someone is aware of existing rx51-us console keymaps which would resemble standard maemo keyboard behaviour with toggless stickiness? looks like everybody are using https://raw.githubusercontent.com/archlinuxarm-n900/n900-keymaps/master/rx51_us.map Aug 21 20:20:28 hmm? Aug 21 20:20:59 it's difficult to type when you need several fingers :) Aug 21 20:21:17 KotCzarny: Can I pay you £10 to hunt for me? :P Aug 21 20:21:43 atk, n900 is PLENTY in .pl usually priced between 10 and 20 quids Aug 21 20:21:53 ~listvalues vi.*kbd Aug 21 20:21:57 Factoid search of 'vi.*kbd' by value returned no results. Aug 21 20:22:01 Well, hmm, I guess I am visiting poland in a few weeks. Aug 21 20:22:02 ~listvalues vi*kbd Aug 21 20:22:04 Factoid search of 'vi*kbd' by value (4): vi-kbd ;; n900-kbd-mapping ;; #maemo kbd ;; #maemo awesome-keymap. Aug 21 20:22:16 ~awesome-keymap Aug 21 20:22:16 methinks awesome-keymap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Aug 21 20:22:23 Maybe I can hold out with the softkeyboard Aug 21 20:22:35 * atk throws up at the thought of softkeys) Aug 21 20:23:15 DocScrutinizer05: it's about using it outside maemo - like debian900 or rescueOS-like on pure console tty, without x Aug 21 20:23:46 grab some cheapo bt kb? Aug 21 20:24:03 Although, when I am going to Poland I will be going to the middle of nowhere effectively. Aug 21 20:24:26 KotCzarny: I use n900 because of the keyboard :)) Aug 21 20:24:27 Not like Warszawa or Bydgoszcz or somewhere big, but a small place near Ełk Aug 21 20:24:37 dkbrz, sorry, that was meant to atk ;) Aug 21 20:24:39 http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Aug 21 20:24:54 atk, you will still go through airport in warsaw Aug 21 20:25:18 plan your journey before and contact the potential seller, or buy via parcel Aug 21 20:25:33 Well, apparently not, apparently there's an airport in Olsztyn Aug 21 20:25:37 or if you'll be staying at friends/family place make them do the deal Aug 21 20:25:39 Flights from london apparently can get there Aug 21 20:26:01 Ah, buy via parcel, yes, excellent idea Aug 21 20:26:51 Any reliable place to buy from which can get me a good deal? (good condition and all, don't care if there's a battery or not, recently bought a procell replacement) Aug 21 20:27:28 olx.pl (but requires knowing language) Aug 21 20:27:33 and allegro.pl Aug 21 20:27:43 I know polish Aug 21 20:29:08 dkbrz: ((standard maemo keyboard behaviour with toggless stickiness)) please elaborate Aug 21 20:29:23 "Sprzedam lub zamienię telefon Nokia N900!" - "Will sell or exchange Nokia N900 phone!" exchange?? Aug 21 20:29:35 People exchange phones? Aug 21 20:29:51 yep, for chainsaws Aug 21 20:29:57 210 pln is already very cheap Aug 21 20:30:11 nah, go for ~100pln range Aug 21 20:30:23 you can get a deal Aug 21 20:30:55 * DocScrutinizer05 tries to decode "toggless stickiness" Aug 21 20:31:03 All I actually need is a new mainboard Aug 21 20:31:40 look for bad screen ones, they show up sometimes Aug 21 20:31:46 you have few weeks Aug 21 20:34:47 DocScrutinizer05: In Maemo whan I press blie arrow with one finger, and release it, and then press T/5 key, I get '5'. In console i need to press blue arrow and T simultaneoulsy to get '5'. Aug 21 20:35:19 toggle - next key is 5. sticky - all keys are 5 Aug 21 20:36:21 dbalas that's a maemo closed blob doing that Aug 21 20:36:39 dkbrz: dang your nick puzzles me Aug 21 20:36:52 :-) Aug 21 20:37:46 DocScrutinizer05: it's russian for porcupine :) Aug 21 20:38:44 aaah russian, that explains why the char sequences are just breaking my fingers (and tongue if I'd try to speak it) Aug 21 20:39:02 DocScrutinizer05: ok then' i'll try to reimplement it via standard means and put it on github if ok. just being lazy, hoping someone already did it for me :( Aug 21 20:39:15 sure ok :-D Aug 21 20:39:41 alas nobody dared to touch that stuff so far, not even jonwil Aug 21 20:39:53 weird Aug 21 20:57:15 http://olx.pl/oferta/malowanie-obudowy-telefonu-np-nokia-n900-CID619-IDc3FSd.html#a7ef6ca056 Aug 21 20:57:30 does anyone have a confirmed working version of fmms Aug 21 20:57:35 I am not sure about orange, but apparently the N900 is so popular in poland that people offer to paint it. Aug 21 20:58:05 anything can be painted :) Aug 21 20:58:28 omg. orange. Aug 21 20:59:47 fishbulb: oh yes, but this ad is specifically about the N900 :P Aug 21 20:59:48 i've seen it before. in 'Hackers' movie. where zero-cool paints his keyboard in camouflage... Aug 21 21:00:49 dkbrz, when you could only get mostly beige computer shit, that's what you had to do. we used vinyl dye on monitors and stuff. CRT. Aug 21 21:01:07 the n900 isn't popular anywhere Aug 21 21:01:45 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WVU7t3YRWRk/Slyv02gQq-I/AAAAAAAAAHk/oh66JDZ6VtI/s400/vlcsnap-522755.png Aug 21 21:02:45 I neve rwatched that movie and I probably never will Aug 21 21:03:35 fishbulb: that's why now I usually paint consumer electronics beige Aug 21 21:03:47 hahaha Aug 21 21:04:03 you pain them beige to bring back the memories? Aug 21 21:04:40 atk: i will not elaborate on religious topics :P Aug 21 21:06:17 fishbulb: it's a good movie. especially at the end, when cast titles start, you can compare them with early phrack magazine Aug 21 21:06:54 I grew up somewhere there was nothing TO hack Aug 21 21:07:16 oh.. Soviet Union? Aug 21 21:07:59 but I built computers, because the internet basically didn't exist, and my first computer was pretty cool, but I never gave a fuck about hacking, I liken it to sniffing someone elses underwear Aug 21 21:08:27 nah I mean there were BBS's and whatever, the internet cost a fortune and there was nothing on it. Aug 21 21:08:44 there is hacking, and there is cracking Aug 21 21:09:02 hacking is fiddling with something until it works (this or that way) Aug 21 21:09:10 cracking is about doing something illegal Aug 21 21:09:11 I like hardware hacking Aug 21 21:09:48 fishbulb: c'mon, real men allways remember times wher men were men and were soldering their computers themselves. mine was illegal copy of Sinclair ZX Spectrum Aug 21 21:10:24 ok then, I liken cracking to breaking into someone's house then bragging about how they only had this transparent stuff between the outside and the inside and all it took was a rock Aug 21 21:11:20 dkbrz, I mean if you want to build a computer now, it's almost like lego, if you wanted to build a computer back when everything was beige, you basically didn't Aug 21 21:11:39 the internet almost didn't exist and was barely worth using Aug 21 21:12:30 I mean like 20 years ago, I was a young teenager and the only way I could get a computer was by building it, but you couldn't just google it Aug 21 21:12:33 "back when everything was beige" Aug 21 21:12:41 you make it sound like the beige was the cause of the problem :P Aug 21 21:12:47 20 years ago Aug 21 21:13:59 fishbulb: I did. and all guys in our yard. had to learn how to solder a bit.. buy parts on a black market... retype firmware machine codes from paper magazine... download software fia FM radio night broadcasts.. renting professional equipment for debugging from state enterprice employees wanting to make couple of extra bucks Aug 21 21:14:01 there was hardly any information, people didn't really build their own computers. you went to a computer store and bought one for about 2 or 3 grand, and it was actually cheaper to build one Aug 21 21:14:36 I just built computers for other people for slightly cheaper than the stores sold them for Aug 21 21:15:07 fishbulb: 'Soviet Union' part was not a joke :))) Aug 21 21:15:18 it was new zealand, so it was pretty isolted Aug 21 21:15:52 there was still all the same stuff, but the internet was expensive, bulletin boards were alright Aug 21 21:16:39