**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 02:59:58 2016
Aug 23 08:53:38 <sicelo> am i deluded to think that Tizen is 'better' linux experience than Android? Samsung Z2 looks like it will be very cheap, and if it lands this side, i might like to have one
Aug 23 08:54:27 <sicelo> anyone here with a tizen phone/device who can share experiences?
Aug 23 08:55:21 <luke-jr> no idea what Tizen is, but it's hard to be worse than Android
Aug 23 08:56:56 <luke-jr> it doesn't look like there are any real production devices using it
Aug 23 08:57:14 <buzz_> luke-jr: symbian
Aug 23 08:57:38 <luke-jr> never tried that :p
Aug 23 08:57:45 <buzz_> hehe, lucky guy :P
Aug 23 08:57:49 <luke-jr> I was already using real Linux on my handhelds by then
Aug 23 08:58:05 <luke-jr> since 2003
Aug 23 08:58:32 <sicelo> buzz_: symbian is completely different
Aug 23 08:59:02 <bencoh> bada? :]
Aug 23 08:59:28 <bencoh> (since we're talking about samsung/tizen ...)
Aug 23 08:59:29 <buZz> sicelo: http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian
Aug 23 08:59:40 <buZz> might be of interest to you ;)
Aug 23 08:59:44 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/reference/zaurus-review.html
Aug 23 08:59:48 <buZz> zaurus <3
Aug 23 09:00:14 <luke-jr> I still have mine sitting on top of my desktop PC :x
Aug 23 09:00:18 <buZz> :D
Aug 23 09:00:23 <luke-jr> no idea where the charger is tho
Aug 23 09:00:32 <sicelo> yes, should be closer to bada ( bencoh )
Aug 23 09:00:49 * buZz just learned that luke-jr was considering burning CDroms on his PDA back in 2003 ;)
Aug 23 09:00:52 <buZz> hrhr
Aug 23 09:00:57 <luke-jr> I was?
Aug 23 09:01:05 <buZz> > A USB host port would allow one to connect a CD writer, though that might be a drain on the battery if used when not connected to an outlet.
Aug 23 09:01:11 <buZz> :D
Aug 23 09:01:26 <buZz> just skimmed ;)
Aug 23 09:01:36 <bencoh> lrlr
Aug 23 09:01:38 <bencoh> krkr*
Aug 23 09:01:39 <buzz_> luke-jr: try ebay
Aug 23 09:01:49 <luke-jr> buzz_: ?
Aug 23 09:02:16 <sicelo> buZz: not interested in chroot ... i can do that and more on N900 :)
Aug 23 09:02:21 <luke-jr> huh, SL-C3200 still going for $190
Aug 23 09:02:34 <buZz> sicelo: maybe look deeper ;) this isnt about chroot debian inside android
Aug 23 09:02:35 <bencoh> z1 might be more interesting than all those qualcomm toys, soc-wise
Aug 23 09:02:45 <buZz> sicelo: its about -android- as chroot inside linux
Aug 23 09:04:10 <sicelo> ah yes .. i could see it's chroot, didn't notice the 'direction' ... either way, not helping me have linux in my pocket :)
Aug 23 09:04:38 <sicelo> bookmarking that to try on my pc however
Aug 23 09:07:20 <sicelo> hmm, we go into Android, then Debian, then Android?
Aug 23 09:08:06 <luke-jr> sicelo: Android kernel, Debian rootfs, Android rootfs
Aug 23 09:08:24 <luke-jr> sicelo: if you want Linux in your pocket, https://pyra-handheld.com/
Aug 23 09:09:13 <sicelo> $$$
Aug 23 09:09:29 <luke-jr> well good luck finding an alternative for less $$$
Aug 23 09:09:45 <bencoh> this thing is actually interesting
Aug 23 09:09:53 <bencoh> (the android chroot)
Aug 23 09:10:21 <buZz> yeah its pretty cute
Aug 23 09:10:26 <bencoh> someone worked on something similar on n900 iirc
Aug 23 09:10:31 <buZz> i wanna try it on a 40 usd android
Aug 23 09:10:56 <sicelo> bencoh: what on N900?
Aug 23 09:11:04 <bencoh> sicelo: android in a chroot
Aug 23 09:11:09 <sicelo> ah
Aug 23 09:11:30 <bencoh> he had to use a SIGSTOP hack to "share" display though :[
Aug 23 09:11:31 <bencoh> :]
Aug 23 09:11:37 <bencoh> something quite .... hacky
Aug 23 09:11:47 <buZz> http://aliexpress.com/item/Melrose-S9-Smallest-Android-Phone-3G-WIFI-Ultra-Slim-Mini-I6-Mobile-Phone-MTK6572-Dual-Core/32715744574.html
Aug 23 09:11:51 <buZz> ^^ toy
Aug 23 09:12:31 <buZz> 2.4" screen is so cute
Aug 23 09:12:45 <buZz> to make fun of all the ppl who actually need reading glasses but instead get a 7" phone
Aug 23 09:12:50 <bencoh> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92898
Aug 23 09:13:51 <buZz> seems kinda ded
Aug 23 09:14:20 <luke-jr> like everything else N900 :<
Aug 23 09:14:45 * buZz comforts luke-jr 
Aug 23 09:14:47 <buZz> there there
Aug 23 09:15:00 <buZz> i still wanna 'plain debian' my n800
Aug 23 09:15:23 <bencoh> buZz: well, you have kernel sources, so ... :)
Aug 23 09:15:30 <buZz> uhuh
Aug 23 09:15:33 <buZz> support in mainline even
Aug 23 09:15:34 <bencoh> ;)
Aug 23 09:15:42 <bencoh> is that full mainline?
Aug 23 09:15:47 <bencoh> not sure about it
Aug 23 09:16:18 <buZz> whats 'full' mainline?
Aug 23 09:17:13 <bencoh> mainline with full driver support
Aug 23 09:17:25 <bencoh> oh btw, for those that might want to try the debian/android chroot: https://gitorious.org/android-n900/nitdroid-kernel
Aug 23 09:17:32 <bencoh> you'll need an android kernel :)
Aug 23 09:17:47 <buZz> bencoh: no clue, i dont think its that much
Aug 23 09:17:54 <buZz> just .. screen and wifi?
Aug 23 09:17:58 <buZz> and touchscreen?
Aug 23 09:21:06 <bencoh> and leds, charger, battery, and dunno what
Aug 23 09:21:24 <bencoh> vpu/dsp? I dont remember if this thing has one
Aug 23 09:33:21 <buZz> it does have a dsp, but i havent seen a use for it
Aug 23 09:34:05 <bencoh> mp3 playback iirc
Aug 23 09:59:12 <buZz> lol
Aug 23 09:59:26 <buZz> :)
Aug 23 10:00:23 <buZz> > > [ 7894.137054] omapdsp: tadd address is ABORTADR.
Aug 23 10:00:23 <buZz> > > [ 7894.137145] omapdsp: task attach failed for mp3dec!
Aug 23 10:00:25 <buZz> i see :P
Aug 23 10:00:47 <bencoh> huhu
Aug 23 10:01:04 <bencoh> dunno then :)
Aug 23 10:01:22 <buZz> i actually expect the omap3 to be fast enough to do it in sw
Aug 23 10:01:26 <buZz> or is it a omap2? hmm
Aug 23 10:01:39 <buZz> omap2 ah
Aug 23 10:02:02 <bencoh> yeah, but it's still fast enough to play mp3 in software
Aug 23 10:02:18 <bencoh> (especially with integer implems, like libmad's)
Aug 23 10:13:47 <buZz> somewhere i made a start at running native debian on it, around kernel 4.2.0 (for weed references)
Aug 23 10:13:55 <buZz> maybe i should continue it
Aug 23 10:46:17 <KotCzarny> the heck, why was my nick changed o.O
Aug 23 11:22:14 <sicelo> because KotCzarny sucks
Aug 23 11:22:16 <sicelo> :p
Aug 23 11:22:18 <sicelo> haha
Aug 23 11:22:24 <sicelo> what did it change to?
Aug 23 11:32:24 <KotCzarny> dont know why it changed to 'buzz_'
Aug 23 11:32:33 <KotCzarny> as i dont remember typing such command
Aug 23 11:32:40 <buZz> its your sleeping alias
Aug 23 15:17:24 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon1: ping
Aug 23 15:17:31 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: ping
Aug 23 15:17:45 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: ping
Aug 23 15:25:10 <DocScrutinizer05> (whois buzz_
Aug 23 15:26:58 <buZz> me
Aug 23 15:27:34 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: yw
Aug 23 15:27:49 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Aug 23 15:28:23 <DocScrutinizer05> see query
Aug 23 15:31:48 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: much better :-)
Aug 23 15:32:50 <buZz> <3
Aug 23 19:04:32 <freemangordon1> DocScrutinizer05: pong
Aug 23 19:13:09 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: could you look into http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qnotted/0.0.3/ and why it doesn't promote?
Aug 23 19:13:57 <freemangordon> ok, will do, later or tomorrow
Aug 23 19:14:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ta
Aug 23 20:54:50 <fishbulb> hi, I can send an MMS to myself, but not to anyone else
Aug 23 20:55:38 <fishbulb> fmms 1.3.5
Aug 23 21:43:02 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't know why you would want to do that but send it to your own number?
Aug 23 21:46:14 <fishbulb> I was testing it
Aug 23 21:46:24 <fishbulb> I don't know why it's not sending out to other numbers
Aug 23 21:46:52 <fishbulb> it's exacly what I don't want. I want the opposite of that. where the other numbers get the mms
Aug 23 21:47:06 <fishbulb> I can receive them fine
Aug 23 21:47:47 <fishbulb> whatsapp going was a huge loss to this phone :(
Aug 23 22:01:12 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't care for any of that whatsapp rubbish, I have no issues with my MMS AFAIK
Aug 23 22:03:21 <sixwheeledbeast> If you have the correct settings from your provider it should work, I have mine on Havoc mode.
Aug 23 22:03:39 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: sixwheeledbeast: about qnotted..
Aug 23 22:03:56 <xes> info: Generating install file for qnotted_0.0.3_armel.deb to /var/repository/staging/extras/dists/fremantle/install
Aug 23 22:03:58 <xes> warning: The package qnotted_0.0.3_armel.changes has no internal maintainer
Aug 23 22:04:00 <xes> warning: No mails provided to send a notification
Aug 23 22:04:02 <xes> info: Change file qnotted_0.0.3_armel.changes deleted
Aug 23 22:04:40 <sixwheeledbeast> are you using international code with your numbers
Aug 23 22:06:09 <fishbulb> I have mine in havoc mode
Aug 23 22:06:26 <fishbulb> other poeple don't get the mms
Aug 23 22:07:33 <fishbulb> I select the number from my contacts, then I try to send it
Aug 23 22:08:05 <fishbulb> why would I use international code
Aug 23 22:10:48 <sixwheeledbeast> It's odd how there's no dependencies listed on the package page, maybe the builder what fubar when originally uploaded?
Aug 23 22:11:36 <sixwheeledbeast> international code can be important
Aug 23 22:19:26 <KotCzarny> xes, maybe that log should be public?
Aug 23 22:20:01 <KotCzarny> would allow devs to debug such problems themselves
Aug 23 22:25:44 <xes> KotCzarny: most of these logs are not ready for plain public access 
Aug 23 22:27:16 <xes> anyway this ^^ message is just a warning and maybe is not the root cause of the problem
Aug 23 22:58:08 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: please fix the issues xes noted, on qnotted. Then bump the revision and upload to extras-devel. I'll promote to testing enad extras
Aug 23 22:58:36 <fishbulb> has anyone personally tried connecting an android device to bluetooth PAN on the n900
Aug 23 22:58:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and*
Aug 23 22:59:21 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Aug 23 22:59:51 <fishbulb> which device and version of android?
Aug 23 23:12:31 <fishbulb> DocScrutinizer05, was that a yes to "yes I have tried connecting an android device" or "yes and it also worked"
Aug 23 23:17:58 <fishbulb> so that's a no to both then.
Aug 23 23:36:07 <ds3> yes
Aug 23 23:36:10 <ds3> long time ago
Aug 23 23:37:09 <fishbulb> did it work though
Aug 23 23:38:01 <ds3> yep
Aug 23 23:45:06 <xes> sixwheeledbeast: there are no dependencies because: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}  https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/qnotted_0.0.3/armel.build.log.OK.txt
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