**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 28 02:59:58 2016 Aug 28 05:45:51 this summer i paid 46€ for n900 which is in very good condition. Came with box too. Aug 28 05:47:13 and about breaking stuff. There was webpage or yt series where they tested will various items blend. I recall seeing ipad blend. Aug 28 05:47:35 will it blend? Aug 28 05:48:30 http://www.willitblend.com/ Aug 28 05:50:10 yes that's it! Aug 28 05:50:41 maybe they have n900 as well. Aug 28 07:29:26 Vajb: what sacriledge! Aug 28 13:04:00 Hello Aug 28 13:04:09 From indo Aug 28 13:11:21 hello Aug 28 13:12:07 how can i contribute to this community Aug 28 13:14:43 contribute? Aug 28 13:15:29 is this maemo project dead already Aug 28 13:15:34 ? Aug 28 13:16:29 I'm new user of maemo Aug 28 13:16:51 are you a programmer? Aug 28 13:17:40 yes, android programmer Aug 28 13:18:08 but I never touch qt before Aug 28 13:18:34 or anything related with maemo programming Aug 28 13:18:57 consider maemo as classical linux with bits of system integration on top Aug 28 13:19:28 you are not stuck on any particular framework Aug 28 13:19:35 or language, that is Aug 28 13:19:45 oh, i see Aug 28 13:20:10 btw is maemo still developed by community? Aug 28 13:20:32 define 'developed' Aug 28 13:23:17 I mean, is there still any update or support by the community? Aug 28 13:23:25 yup Aug 28 13:23:37 like new features maybe, or fixing bugs Aug 28 13:23:41 but, i assume you bought it second hand and didnt flash yet Aug 28 13:23:43 ~flashing Aug 28 13:23:44 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing Aug 28 13:24:11 THEN you should update repos (nokia's ones are dead, but there are mirrors) Aug 28 13:24:14 ~maemo-repos Aug 28 13:24:15 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Aug 28 13:24:23 THEN you can install community updates: Aug 28 13:24:28 ~cssu Aug 28 13:24:28 well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Aug 28 13:24:39 yes, I'm buying it second hand Aug 28 13:25:01 I'm running on cssu tester Aug 28 13:26:21 version 21 Aug 28 13:27:10 some n900's heroes work on getting mainline kernel working, which would unlock ability to update glibc and other system libs to newer versions, but for now you are mostly stuck with stock+cssu Aug 28 13:28:14 unless you dont mind losing some functionality, then with a bit of hacking there is a possibility to run other linux distros Aug 28 13:28:33 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 is it the latest version? Aug 28 13:29:13 hmm well Aug 28 13:31:14 why they can't unlock that? is it open sorce right? Aug 28 13:31:24 kernel has blobs Aug 28 13:31:45 which means those blobs have to get reverse engineered and drivers have to be rewritten Aug 28 13:31:45 what is that Aug 28 13:31:58 blob == binary without the source available Aug 28 13:32:08 oohh I see Aug 28 13:32:32 did nokia not share the code ? Aug 28 13:32:56 apparently not, there are software blobs too Aug 28 13:34:50 btw, is there any social media apps that still active on maemo? Aug 28 13:35:13 fsacebook,twitter,etc Aug 28 13:35:24 im not a social media person, so you will have to wait 'till someone else shows up Aug 28 13:37:46 ohh okay, what apps do you use for communication? Aug 28 13:38:12 whatsapp like or telegram like for maemo? Aug 28 13:38:24 ssh Aug 28 13:38:39 then screen -rd with my irc/im sessions Aug 28 13:39:38 wkwkwk well I love that Aug 28 13:43:41 felangga: welcome to maemo :) Aug 28 13:44:18 we no longer have whatsapp (because whatsapp is banning phone numbers of 3rd-party apps) Aug 28 13:44:34 @bencoh hello, I'm still newbie Aug 28 13:44:40 hehehe Aug 28 13:44:41 I think we still have a working twitter (tweetian) Aug 28 13:44:48 as for facebook .... I dunno Aug 28 13:45:38 last time I installing twimgo, but it not working Aug 28 13:45:52 then you should definitely try tweetian Aug 28 13:46:02 wait, i will try tweetian Aug 28 13:46:36 hmm.. which repo do you use Aug 28 13:46:56 i cannot find any in my app manager Aug 28 13:47:11 f Aug 28 13:47:16 extras or extras-devel Aug 28 13:47:28 but dont keep extras-devel enabled after installing Aug 28 13:47:41 or using apt pinning Aug 28 13:48:57 wait, updating catalogue Aug 28 13:50:18 bencoh: what command is that Aug 28 13:50:41 a few lines of conf for apt Aug 28 13:52:59 apt being part of the (dpkg) package management system used in maemo, inherited from debian Aug 28 13:53:34 already added extras and extras-devel but still cannot find the packages Aug 28 13:53:57 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ Aug 28 13:53:58 ah errr, tweetian has never been included in extras for maemo I think Aug 28 13:54:11 oohh Aug 28 13:54:21 let me google that first Aug 28 13:54:22 there is a post in talk.maemo.org with all needed info Aug 28 13:54:35 bencoh, so its debian app not related to maemo? Aug 28 13:54:45 KotCzarny: what, tweetian? Aug 28 13:54:54 it was first released for harmattan Aug 28 13:54:57 oh crab, my keyboard keys is falling down Aug 28 13:55:01 wkwkwk Aug 28 13:55:03 uhum Aug 28 13:55:36 let me find some glue first Aug 28 13:55:39 wkwkwkwk Aug 28 13:55:47 o.O Aug 28 13:56:03 or just grab any broken n900 and replace them? Aug 28 13:56:59 haha, in my country, this device is so hard to find Aug 28 13:58:24 about 5usd here Aug 28 13:58:25 :) Aug 28 13:58:42 apparently there was a truckload of users that loved it Aug 28 13:59:04 felangga: hi, there are lots of projects for Maemo. If you are more into developing applications then the sdk is a good start Aug 28 14:00:40 ~sdk Aug 28 14:00:40 i guess sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt" Aug 28 14:00:52 ~pkg Aug 28 14:00:52 pkg is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/ Aug 28 14:01:22 the wiki is a world of knowledge if you need Aug 28 14:01:33 and talk.maemo.org forum Aug 28 14:01:40 hmm, this .txt returns 404 Aug 28 14:01:40 ~tmo Aug 28 14:01:41 well, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. Aug 28 14:02:22 infobot: #maemo tmo is http://talk.maemo.org Aug 28 14:02:22 okay, KotCzarny Aug 28 14:02:25 ~tmo Aug 28 14:02:26 tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org Aug 28 14:02:38 ~wmo Aug 28 14:02:39 extra, extra, read all about it, wmo is wiki.maemo.org Aug 28 14:03:14 infobot: no, wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org Aug 28 14:03:14 okay, KotCzarny Aug 28 14:03:16 ~wmo Aug 28 14:03:17 well, wmo is wiki.maemo.org Aug 28 14:03:21 meh. Aug 28 14:03:32 infobot: no, #maemo wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org Aug 28 14:03:33 okay, KotCzarny Aug 28 14:03:36 ~wmo Aug 28 14:03:36 wmo is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org Aug 28 14:05:55 KotCzarny: what only 5usd? i buy this device for 100usd Aug 28 14:06:11 hmm I wonder where the sdk image is located now a days Aug 28 14:06:22 felangga: local ads, people dismantle used/broken phones for parts Aug 28 14:06:26 and kb is ~5usd Aug 28 14:06:33 And for the parts cost 30usd Aug 28 14:06:43 ~sb Aug 28 14:06:45 from memory, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Aug 28 14:06:55 ~sdkvm Aug 28 14:07:01 ~vmsdk Aug 28 14:07:10 ~listkeys sdk Aug 28 14:07:12 Factoid search of 'sdk' by key (15 of 18): maemosdk ;; isdk ;; wddx sdk ;; glide rasterization library (sdk) for linux ;; iodbc driver manager and sdk ;; xaudio mp3 sdk ;; sdk ;; pr1.3sdk ;; asdfasdkf #DEL# ;; qtopia sdk ;; dharma odbc sdk ;; cawfee cgi sdk ;; mpkg-j2sdk ;; checks to make sure that q3 sdk 1.11 ;; mpegtv sdk. Aug 28 14:07:16 it's there ~sb Aug 28 14:07:25 sixwheeledbeast: hello, yes I will start with the SDK Aug 28 14:07:30 ~maemosdk Aug 28 14:07:30 extra, extra, read all about it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Aug 28 14:07:40 hrm, might not be it Aug 28 14:08:37 I suggest before you start writing from scratch you check out the available packages Aug 28 15:31:12 and I suggest before you go berserk on redefining factoids, you first check if they maybe are already there or named different than what you think they are. :-/ Aug 28 15:32:58 what do you think you did there? : Aug 28 15:33:00 [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:14] infobot: no, wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org Aug 28 15:33:01 [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:14] okay, KotCzarny Aug 28 15:33:03 [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:16] ~wmo Aug 28 15:33:04 [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:17] well, wmo is wiki.maemo.org Aug 28 15:33:06 [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:21] meh. Aug 28 15:33:28 right, you redefined a factoid you didn't even know if it exists or what it been Aug 28 15:36:38 particularly since you know listkey you also should know and use listvalues Aug 28 15:36:52 ~listvalues http://wiki.maemo.org Aug 28 15:37:05 Factoid search of 'http://wiki.maemo.org' by value (17 of 92): #maemo broken ;; #maemo closed ;; #maemo enum ;; #maemo flopswap ;; #maemo redpill ;; #maemo xprot ;; accel ;; accelerometer ;; bluetooth-pan ;; bme ;; boot-from-sd ;; cssu ;; ctl-sh-p ;; extras-product ;; extras-uploading ;; help-update ;; hildon-extras. Aug 28 15:37:46 ~listvalues ^http://wiki.maemo.org$ Aug 28 15:37:47 Factoid search of '^http://wiki.maemo.org$' by value (2): wmo #DEL# ;; #maemo wmo. Aug 28 15:38:16 then use literal too! Aug 28 15:38:20 literal wmo Aug 28 15:38:24 ~literal wmo Aug 28 15:38:25 "#maemo wmo" is "http://wiki.maemo.org" Aug 28 15:39:15 ~factinfo #maemo wmo Aug 28 15:39:15 #maemo wmo -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri May 3 22:13:04 2013 (1212 days); last modified 1h 35m 42s ago by KotCzarny!ariel@31.135.195.151; it has been requested 4 times, last by KotCzarny, 1h 35m 39s ago. Aug 28 16:34:00 ~tmo Aug 28 16:34:00 see tmo Aug 28 16:36:36 ~tmo Aug 28 16:36:36 tmo is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. Aug 28 16:37:03 ~sicelo Aug 28 16:37:19 this is special, you even ma< 'lock' it Aug 28 16:37:24 may* Aug 28 16:37:35 ~oscp Aug 28 16:37:35 rumour has it, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 Aug 28 16:39:29 sicelo: syntax: Aug 28 16:39:34 ~+help lpck Aug 28 16:39:35 no help on lpck. Use 'help' without arguments. Aug 28 16:39:38 ~+help lock Aug 28 16:39:38  Desc: Factoid locking to prevent removal by others Aug 28 16:39:39  Usage: lock Aug 28 16:39:39 Example: lock abuse Aug 28 16:39:40  NOTE: By default, only registered "ops" on the bots or factoids matching the user's nick are able to lock factoids. Aug 28 16:39:40  NOTE: Requires factoid extension (extra) support enabled. Aug 28 16:40:51 ~factinfo DocScrutinizer Aug 28 16:40:51 docscrutinizer -- created by DocScrutinizer at Thu Oct 23 11:54:37 2008 (2866 days); it has been requested 90 times, last by DocScrutinizer05 at Thu Aug 18 15:44:23 2016; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. Aug 28 16:42:13 €DocScrutinizer Aug 28 16:42:28 UTF-8 galore? Aug 28 16:43:28 ~DocScrutinizer Aug 28 16:43:29 hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Aug 28 16:44:23 my key bindings on N900 led to that utf8 thing Aug 28 16:45:32 :-) Aug 28 16:46:11 watch out, infobot is very stupid -> Aug 28 16:46:13 [2016-08-28 Sun 18:44:58] no, docscrutinizer is Jörg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Aug 28 16:46:15 [2016-08-28 Sun 18:44:59] i'm not going to learn illegal characters Aug 28 16:46:37 ~DocScrutinizer Aug 28 16:46:38 methinks docscrutinizer is Joerg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Aug 28 16:50:26 ~DocScrutinizer Aug 28 16:50:26 rumour has it, docscrutinizer is Joerg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. See ~joerg and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG Aug 28 16:52:02 ~factinfo DocScrutinizer Aug 28 16:52:02 docscrutinizer -- created by DocScrutinizer at Thu Oct 23 11:54:37 2008 (2866 days); last modified 39s ago by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 94 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 22s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. Aug 28 16:52:22 ~factinfo joerg Aug 28 16:52:23 joerg -- created by jOERG at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (2866 days); last modified at Fri Oct 3 21:44:08 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 84 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 3m 14s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. Aug 28 19:33:47 I am wondering if it's possible to send texts using a linux computer as the interface Aug 28 19:34:20 instead of the very small keyboard of the n900 Aug 28 19:35:14 basically commanding the phone with the keyboard and potentially screen of a laptop. how would one do this? Aug 28 19:36:16 vnc is one way Aug 28 19:36:39 there's also a cli sms tool somewhere Aug 28 19:37:45 could you tell me how to vnc into the maemo device? Aug 28 19:38:44 install vnc server? like on any linux computer Aug 28 19:41:27 which is a good vnc software? Aug 28 19:55:31 tightvnc Aug 28 19:57:58 I'd tend to think ssh would be enough for sms ;0 Aug 28 19:58:00 ;) Aug 28 19:58:11 I would use ssh myself Aug 28 19:58:18 :snap: Aug 28 19:58:25 ~phonecontrol Aug 28 19:58:26 rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Aug 28 20:02:13 you probably want smssend for that Aug 28 20:02:37 I wonder if there is a cli replacement for Conversation / sms UI Aug 28 20:02:54 (I doubt it, but that'd be great) Aug 28 20:07:23 it says telepathy is the recommended one Aug 28 20:08:29 empathy for gnome apparently supports this Aug 28 20:08:39 I think I need to switch back to KDE Aug 28 20:23:00 I dont really think it only uses telepathy as a backend Aug 28 20:23:09 I suspect there's another glue there Aug 28 20:24:24 ok Aug 28 20:24:50 so would usb networking be how you'd connect? Aug 28 20:27:59 yeah Aug 28 20:29:53 I don't use that either **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 29 02:59:58 2016