**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:59:58 2016 Aug 30 06:32:15 for python programs with a GUI, the options on N900 are pyqt, pygtk i believe. any other? Aug 30 08:13:41 ~skype Aug 30 08:13:41 [~skype] Skype is a free VoIP software and service using a closed client and propritary protocol. Only commercial channel drivers exist, with most solutions being complex, complicated, and hack-ish . Digium's SkypeForAsterisk (see ~SkypeForAsterisk) is a new solution that is a cleaner non-dependent option. Aug 30 08:14:01 ~SkypeForAsterisk Aug 30 08:14:02 well, skypeforasterisk is a Digium-made channel driver that allows Asterisk to connect to the Skype network using a Skype-supported connection method. Unlike all other solutions it does not require X11, kernel modules, or a Windows machine. See http://www.digium.com/skype for details, or http://slashdot.org/story/11/05/24/2010222/Microsoft-Kills-Skype-For-Asterisk Aug 30 12:20:58 moin :) Aug 30 12:23:33 mrroing' Aug 30 12:24:25 ;) Aug 30 15:15:55 Hey! I need a fresh and clean BakcupMenu image to reflash my N900 because my USB is broken. Can you help me with this? Aug 30 15:16:21 um, just flash? Aug 30 15:16:32 ahm Aug 30 15:16:41 you require a dump Aug 30 15:17:07 just /home and / backup which I can use with BackupMenu Aug 30 15:17:22 ive never used bm, so cant help there Aug 30 16:33:53 ~bm Aug 30 16:33:54 backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install Aug 30 16:35:36 I recall someone posted some in that thread but NFC what version of bm they used and if it will work Aug 30 17:24:41 !python Aug 30 17:24:44 ~python Aug 30 17:24:45 i guess python is Available at http://www.python.org Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language. It is often compared to Tcl, Perl, Scheme or Java. Aug 30 17:24:59 I guess so too Aug 30 17:26:10 my quick googling leads me to believe 3.4 is latest available for maemo Aug 30 17:26:50 ~pkg Aug 30 17:26:51 i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Aug 30 17:27:52 would appear so Aug 30 17:29:18 some day, n900, someday Aug 30 17:55:48 not too long ago, I've been told to find a 20-30USD deal for the N900 Aug 30 17:56:15 I got a feeling that holds for USA and less for regions outside it Aug 30 18:24:41 CatButts: might be me. there are plenty of n900s Aug 30 18:42:50 there are almost none this side, but when there are, usually between 60-70USD Aug 30 18:43:42 N9 between 40-60 Aug 30 18:44:05 he he Aug 30 18:44:15 says something about n900 vs n9;) Aug 30 18:46:43 eh Aug 30 18:46:51 bite the pillow, fork out the cash Aug 30 18:47:20 even right now, quite good condition n900 for ~22usd Aug 30 18:47:26 with shipping Aug 30 18:48:38 KotCzarny: where? Aug 30 18:48:52 on local classifieds site Aug 30 18:49:20 I guess n9* where really popular there, then Aug 30 18:49:38 because they're quite rare on the over side of europe Aug 30 18:49:41 other* Aug 30 18:49:55 were* Aug 30 18:50:07 wtf with my spelling oO Aug 30 18:50:30 yeah. nokia is mostly european phenomenon for weird devices Aug 30 18:51:02 KotCzarny: by "other side of europe" I meant western europe (say, france) Aug 30 18:51:38 KotCzarny: can we order on that "local site" from france? Aug 30 18:51:46 bencoh, more hackers in the north/east Aug 30 18:51:52 (and have the device delivered?) Aug 30 18:52:01 maybe Aug 30 18:52:02 bencoh, risky, and costly Aug 30 18:52:08 ah... Aug 30 18:52:15 why? Aug 30 18:52:23 and how costly? Aug 30 18:52:53 I wouldn't care much about a $30 delivery if device costs as low as $22 Aug 30 18:52:59 because eventual returns will be costly Aug 30 18:53:09 i might buy/send you few if you want Aug 30 18:53:09 eventual returns? Aug 30 18:53:33 you know, i happened tobuy fake n9, but seller agreed to return money Aug 30 18:54:12 now if it required additional shipping, you would be 2x shipping broke Aug 30 18:54:15 hmm well that might be an option .... I wouldn't mind having a second n900 Aug 30 18:54:52 let me check shipping to .fr Aug 30 18:55:02 that'd eventually allow me to tinker with kernel and "core" libraries Aug 30 18:55:27 I'm not too eager ordering stuff from abroad to Romania Aug 30 18:55:36 *eager about Aug 30 18:57:36 CatButts: well in that case it'd stay in europe Aug 30 18:57:41 hmm, ~8 for a 'letter' and ~20 for a package Aug 30 18:58:06 and if KotCzarny can receive/check it, then there's no real issue :) Aug 30 18:58:38 (the fact is I no longer live in europe anymore, but I still know a few people that could collect it in paris :D) Aug 30 18:59:18 KotCzarny: might be worth it then, if you come across a fully working unit Aug 30 18:59:50 it was with 'broken memory card/camera' so i suspect its just missing magnet Aug 30 18:59:56 hmm Aug 30 19:00:45 and new back cover is ~2usd Aug 30 19:00:50 you received one with a missing camera once, right? Aug 30 19:00:55 yes Aug 30 19:01:16 but someone in #maemo had one with broken back sensor Aug 30 19:01:19 which means roughly $24+20e for a working n900? Aug 30 19:01:21 ah Aug 30 19:02:25 and of course new battery, but that's obvious for almost any device, even 'brand new unopened' Aug 30 19:02:49 though for development even weak battery will do Aug 30 19:04:35 yeah Aug 30 19:33:46 k, the one for 80pln is gone already Aug 30 19:38:45 ah Aug 30 19:39:12 asking another seller for the one for 15usd what damage it has Aug 30 19:39:30 thx :) Aug 30 19:42:05 DocScrutinizer51! Aug 30 19:42:06 DocScrutinizer51! Aug 30 19:42:12 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Mount Aug 30 19:42:20 it's happening! Aug 30 19:42:41 buahaha Aug 30 19:43:29 huh? Aug 30 19:43:34 kerio: it's actually a wrapper :) Aug 30 19:43:35 but yeah Aug 30 19:44:11 oooh systemd-mount Aug 30 19:45:33 fsck systemd Aug 30 19:45:43 yes fsck is part of systemd-mount Aug 30 19:45:56 :> Aug 30 19:45:59 thought as much Aug 30 19:46:15 systemd - "removing gnu from linux/gnu" Aug 30 19:46:42 and a bit further away: systemd - "removing linux from linux/systemd" Aug 30 19:47:31 honestly, I wonder which part of poettering's brain is damaged for the feeble rest to come up with this systemd abomination ruining a complete OS Aug 30 19:47:43 doc: moneymoneymoney Aug 30 19:47:45 DocScrutinizer51: who's more foolish Aug 30 19:47:59 the fool, or the people who follow him? Aug 30 19:48:37 kerio, thebest part is people saying 'if systemd is so bad, why all major distributions rolled with systemd" Aug 30 19:48:58 'fool' is the completely wrong term. Evel or sinister is more to the point Aug 30 19:49:51 evil even Aug 30 19:50:04 * CatButts looks at mikmod with spite Aug 30 19:50:31 catbutts: if you want playback use my player Aug 30 19:50:50 that's not the point of the mention :p Aug 30 19:51:13 CatButts: just saying :P Aug 30 19:51:28 I'll have to get an N900 first Aug 30 19:51:37 it works on x86/arm too Aug 30 19:51:58 already have tools in place for that Aug 30 20:06:15 WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHRRRRGHAAAAAAARRGGHHHH!!! >> "instead of executing the mount operation directly and immediately, systemd-mount schedules it through the service manager job queue, so that it may pull in further dependencies (such as parent mounts, or a file system checker to execute a priori), and may make use of the auto-mounting logic." << Aug 30 20:06:40 Under SEH Team Aug 30 20:12:52 Focus on the good things. There are still decent distros that don't/will-never depend on systemd Aug 30 20:46:43 Under SEH Team Aug 30 20:51:37 wtf is SEH Team? Aug 30 20:56:15 Under butt theme Aug 30 20:56:25 * CatButts rolls on his butt Aug 30 22:48:58 one battery (thumb down one) I found in http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/N900_40_4*10_unboxing/box1with10/images.html was pretty 0.000 Volt (62.5kOhm, FWIW). Charging a completely flat battery with N900 is intriguing every single time: first 10s bright yellow, then 18s slightly darker yellow, then a NOKIA screen without backlight for a maybe 10s, during which switch to "fast" yellow breathing, then 2s jumping dorts and then dark screen and Aug 30 22:49:00 slightly slower yellow breathing Aug 30 22:50:50 ooh, all the time ~0.45A from Nokia charger Aug 30 22:55:23 maybe not _all_ the time. I suspect the bright to slightly dimmer steady yellow 10s after plugin was when low-current precharge ended and regular (high current) emergency charging started. Sorry I was too focused on LED and screen to look at the ampere meter at that point in time Aug 30 22:57:52 I'll have to repeat that test with my 4chan scope attached to 1) USB current 2) batt voltage 3) a photodiode sensing LED brightness 4) a capacitive or inductive sensor probing emission from LCD display Aug 30 22:58:52 alternatively make 4) one of D+ D-, or even bootconsole UART Aug 30 23:20:24 pfff dependency hell Aug 30 23:20:56 purple-hangouts needs a newer version of json-glib which in turns needs a more recent glib (>= 2.26) Aug 30 23:21:00 this sucks. Aug 30 23:22:07 (json-glib also needs a newer build env, but ....) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 31 02:59:58 2016