**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 13 02:59:58 2016 Sep 13 05:57:20 moin :) Sep 13 07:27:34 wiki.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 8 września 2016 16:16. Sep 13 07:27:52 who is web admin? Sep 13 07:31:04 xes, ^^^ Sep 13 07:43:59 KotCzarny: ok Sep 13 07:59:34 L29Ah: yeah, sorry, life been busy. let me note that and do it soon Sep 13 12:02:52 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2470429/samsung-to-remotely-deactivate-galaxy-note-7-handsets-after-six-year-old-injured Sep 13 12:03:53 remotely deactivate.. great feature Sep 13 12:07:32 yes, saw that yesterday .. backdoors Sep 13 12:25:18 :) Sep 13 12:25:29 its not a backdoor, its a feature Sep 13 12:52:41 one does not know which of both features is worse... either the exploding phone or the remotely deactivated one Sep 13 12:53:02 i guess the remotely exploding phone would be the funniest Sep 13 12:53:03 both are kinda destructive Sep 13 12:53:08 :) Sep 13 12:53:12 you think? Sep 13 12:53:20 for some meaning of "funniest", of course Sep 13 12:56:28 i didn't follow the news too well .. the explision is battery, i suppose? Sep 13 12:57:05 so if i'm tech savvy enough to open up the phone and change battery or whatever is neeeded, .. now have to deal with their remote-locking .. grr Sep 13 13:22:28 neo900 needs such a feature Sep 13 13:23:10 yeah, remote self-destruction Sep 13 13:28:59 <_maniac_> jokes aside, I would love some way of remotely tracking my phone if it were stolen Sep 13 13:43:05 _maniac_: smscon .. Sep 13 13:43:23 you can program anything you want for that Sep 13 13:43:30 L29Ah, CatButts ^^ Sep 13 13:44:11 i don't have a sysfs entry for the battery explosion :( Sep 13 14:23:53 hmm, can battery chip be misprogrammed to NOT to safeguard the charging? Sep 13 14:24:12 ie. is it possible to overcharge the battery? Sep 13 14:25:04 L29Ah: install kernel-cssu v666 to enable /sys/class/power_supply/battery/self_destruct ;) Sep 13 14:41:45 KotCzarny: likely not .. i think it's part of the design of that chip .. could be wrong however .. Sep 13 15:03:16 ((remotely deactivated one)) prety nice evidence why you do NOT want OTA updtae of modem firmware and a modem that has full DOM0 on your device Sep 13 15:04:15 and no such feature in Neo900, by design Sep 13 15:05:10 DocScrutinizer05: another reason to steer well clear of Qualcomm phones Sep 13 15:05:32 snapdragon, yes Sep 13 15:06:20 the alternative SoCs usually use HSI, which is pretty much chip-to-chip USB Sep 13 15:08:21 hmm, dunno. Samsung Exynos is also modem-on-chip SoC Sep 13 15:09:14 they integrated the Shannon now? Sep 13 15:09:26 thought so Sep 13 15:09:54 my Note 4 N910C has a ST-Ericsson Thor connected via HSI Sep 13 15:10:24 the novathor used shared RAM Sep 13 15:10:39 note4 used early Thor Sep 13 15:11:05 welp, looks like everyone's moving to the lazy option Sep 13 15:11:15 cheaper option Sep 13 15:11:41 i don't blame them, bringup on HSI modems suuuuucks Sep 13 15:11:58 and I know _for sure_ about Thor, I debugged the chip at ST-E Sep 13 15:12:16 Radium, Thorium etc Sep 13 15:12:46 HSI sucked donkey balls on OMAP4 Sep 13 15:13:08 sure doesn't help that it's next to impossible to buy the non-modem version of chips Sep 13 15:14:20 OMAP4 losing wake-IRQ from HSI - doooooom Sep 13 15:15:09 :o Sep 13 15:15:38 and all customers bashed ST-E why the modem blows chunks after a while Sep 13 15:16:44 while with lots of tricking and icky soldering and waiting we finally could show modem asserted HSI IRQ but OMAP didn't ever service it Sep 13 15:17:16 did you have to run out the traces for scoping on a customer board? Sep 13 15:17:24 TI: WONTFIX for omap4 Sep 13 15:17:35 sort of, yes Sep 13 15:18:22 not surprised at all from TI, they kinda gave up on chips shortly after OMAP4 Sep 13 15:18:46 workarround: modem wiggles HSI IRQ so eventually OMAP4 notices it Sep 13 15:18:55 is an n900 good? looking for a new phone Sep 13 15:19:21 I bet you can find 50% of users in here say "best phone ever, still" Sep 13 15:20:03 YMMV though, depends on your needs Sep 13 15:20:23 ...though tbh, it's not the N900's hardware that make it the best I've ever used, it's the software ;) Sep 13 15:20:29 just want an easily 'hackable' phone Sep 13 15:20:40 yes, you found it Sep 13 15:21:22 on maemo5 you can hack till you're blue in the face Sep 13 15:22:31 many nice features other phones don't have or onöy provide in friggin apps are only a 3 or 4 lines of python code away on N900 Sep 13 15:22:53 ~dbus-scripting Sep 13 15:22:58 hmm Sep 13 15:23:06 ~phonecontrol Sep 13 15:23:06 it has been said that phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Sep 13 15:24:00 however what you won't find: any of those dang closed blob free social apps, like whatsapp Sep 13 15:24:18 "free" Sep 13 15:24:19 don't care for that :P Sep 13 15:24:48 good, you will be *amazed* how you survived on any other phone so long Sep 13 15:26:05 alright, ty Sep 13 15:26:50 jr@saturn:~> ssh root@t900 Sep 13 15:26:51 BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash) Sep 13 15:26:53 Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. Sep 13 15:26:54 t900:~# uptime Sep 13 15:26:56 18:09:39 up 140 days, 13:54, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 Sep 13 15:27:39 (MB I got properly set up PKI infra, so no password asked) Sep 13 15:27:45 NB even Sep 13 15:28:48 <_maniac_> just curious, why PKI instead of simply having your ssh keys in agent (for purpose of not typing password when ssh'ing) Sep 13 15:29:03 http://paste.opensuse.org/67210088 Sep 13 15:29:26 well, that's what I meant Sep 13 15:29:38 sorry, caffeine deficit Sep 13 15:33:42 http://paste.opensuse.org/30793864 Sep 13 15:37:12 http://paste.opensuse.org/42351754 Sep 13 15:54:53 xy2_: n900 is quite plain linux system Sep 13 16:21:25 KotCzarny: want to recommend best python tutorial that will scale well to N900 use? :) Sep 13 16:21:44 * CatButts perks ears Sep 13 16:21:58 we have 3.4, yes? Sep 13 16:22:22 we seem to Sep 13 16:22:29 dunno if anything uses it Sep 13 16:22:29 depends on watcha want to do, sicelo Sep 13 16:22:54 do you want to display crud on screen? Sep 13 16:23:09 do you need to use lotsa memory? Sep 13 16:23:12 i meant .. if we already have applications using it .. just checked .. pastebinit does Sep 13 16:23:17 do you output sound? Sep 13 16:24:59 i am not a dev at all .. want to learn. i think python is a simpler start for someone with limited time, no organized lessons .. Sep 13 16:25:14 CatButts: ^ Sep 13 16:26:05 well, I make scripts for stuff I want done Sep 13 16:26:23 maybe I want to make a scraper for certain site Sep 13 16:26:40 or maybe I make http uploader with usernames Sep 13 16:26:49 or an IRC bot Sep 13 16:27:13 personally, I loathe tutorials Sep 13 16:27:29 and just go do what I need done Sep 13 16:27:38 but you may be different mindset Sep 13 16:27:55 in which case, I have no tut I can reccomend you Sep 13 16:28:06 I literally google the functions I need Sep 13 16:28:21 sicelo: you can simply read /opt/oscp/bin/oscp-remote.py Sep 13 16:28:36 it covers most of the things needed to write an app on n900 Sep 13 16:29:14 from init, through popups, config, logic, etc Sep 13 16:29:29 okay. will look at that. thanks :) Sep 13 16:30:04 it might not be the prettiest, but most of python is self explaining anyway Sep 13 16:30:22 and indentation is required by language itself Sep 13 16:30:54 also, you mean pygtk, because python dont know about ui toolkits Sep 13 16:31:31 so for console apps python is enough, to display window and react to clicks, pygtk/pyqt is required Sep 13 16:31:59 between pygtk/qt .. which one would you recommend the most? Sep 13 16:32:37 i hate qt personally, but that's up to personal preference Sep 13 16:33:15 (most of the hate comes from the size and c++ affinity of qt) Sep 13 16:33:45 I suppose my python pc console scripts will work out of the box with required dependencies installed Sep 13 16:33:47 and incompatibilities between versions Sep 13 16:34:02 i seem to have convinced myself years ago that there is more GTK than QT on N900 .. so pygtk does sound the better option Sep 13 16:34:14 (i could be wrong ..) Sep 13 16:34:40 as i said, its personal preference, start with basics, then check what suits you better Sep 13 16:35:28 if you look at .py programs, first function that executes is the __main__ at the bottom usually Sep 13 16:35:35 (or was it __init__) Sep 13 16:35:52 then you can just trace the functions flow Sep 13 16:36:09 creation/registeration of buttons and events etc Sep 13 16:37:04 i have two ideas of applications (that will not be of use to anyone else however, lol) .. both will need sqlite integration, and one needs network too. guess i start with the one that doesn't Sep 13 16:37:24 i think python has sqlite modules Sep 13 16:37:47 yes, it does. tbh, i want to kick myself for not learning earlier Sep 13 16:38:11 i know the pain (so many things i could've done in 2010 ;) Sep 13 16:38:39 but im happy that i've done them anyway, even if it took me 6 years Sep 13 16:39:56 i don't think it's naive to think that if i manage to get the applications the way i want them, they should run reasonably well on my linux pc as well? Sep 13 16:40:16 there might be some minor glitches, but yes Sep 13 16:41:00 your might concern might be jump between python 2.7 to python 3.4 (and pygtk with similar major version jump) Sep 13 16:41:29 still, oscp-remote.py works everywhere there is pygtk Sep 13 22:08:50 L29Ah: didn't manage today, but i'm trying hard to get it done asap now Sep 13 22:08:54 (re blog post Sep 13 22:08:55 ) Sep 13 22:12:29 :* Sep 13 22:14:00 <_maniac_> Wizzup: would like to read too. my last try ended with every emerge hanging on install phase. Sep 13 22:14:43 I don't run portage from the n900, fwiw Sep 13 22:16:15 <_maniac_> I ran into some issues with crossdev, but that was awhile ago, and I didn't care enough since. Sep 13 22:16:52 my main work machine/laptop is also arm, so I just chroot Sep 13 22:18:26 <_maniac_> well, lucky you! Sep 13 22:18:32 <_maniac_> any chance of setting up binhost? Sep 13 22:36:55 _maniac_: can do that Sep 13 22:37:57 <_maniac_> I can mirror/host it Sep 13 22:39:04 the problem is keeping it up to date Sep 13 22:39:33 I don't use the phone as much as I planned to do, yet, so I don't keep it up to date, and I don't want to build packages everytime someone requests something ;-) Sep 13 22:40:05 <_maniac_> I'll make another try at setting up arm building env later. now I need some sleep. Sep 13 22:41:22 _maniac_: buy an arm device Sep 13 22:41:25 that's the easiest way to do it Sep 13 22:41:40 get an Olimex OLinuXino LIME2, attach HDD over SATA, done Sep 13 22:41:47 costs you about 80 eur **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 14 02:59:58 2016