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Sep 22 04:01:08 <sicelo> Vajb: what does the notice say?
Sep 22 04:15:26 <sicelo> Vajb: i wonder if the maintainer is still active .. i wouldn*'t mind maintainig it. anyway, there's a perl script they provided which should achieve the  same benefits (and we can use scripts on n900) .f)
Sep 22 04:24:02 <Oksana> Sure about perl scripts for irssi? I thought that N900's irssi had perl scripts disabled
Sep 22 04:33:30 <sicelo> i compiled a perl version some time ago ... see tmo
Sep 22 04:33:43 <Vajb> Oksana: they were disabled but sicelo fixed it
Sep 22 04:35:18 <Vajb>       [Global Notice] Hi all, we would urge all irssi users to head 
Sep 22 04:35:18 <Vajb>           over to https://irssi.org/2016/09/21/irssi-0.8.20-released/ 
Sep 22 04:35:38 <Vajb>        and also upgrade to the latest version. I would also like to 
Sep 22 04:35:38 <Vajb>           say thank you to the current irssi dev team for the early 
Sep 22 04:35:39 <Vajb>           warning! 
Sep 22 04:36:10 <Vajb> sicelo: ^
Sep 22 04:36:56 <sicelo> thanks.
Sep 22 05:28:32 <hexnewbie> So my Nokia N900 got stolen and I got it back. I want, without booting into it, to create an image of the MyDocs and rootfs, then possibly examine the contents, and possibly flash it. Is there a way to do this? The flasher can only write an image to the device, but not read one.
Sep 22 05:34:53 <sicelo> ~bm
Sep 22 05:34:54 <infobot> rumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
Sep 22 05:35:17 <sicelo> hexnewbie: the above 
Sep 22 05:36:06 <sicelo> i don't know why booting would be a problem by the way?
Sep 22 05:38:21 <hexnewbie> Dunno, wanted to create a full image before doing any modifications (including booting). Also judging by the contents of the SD card, it may have been flashed with Android (don't know if that's possible) or something.
Sep 22 05:40:16 <hexnewbie> I read the BackupMenu thread, but I got the idea I had to install in on the device, so I went on reading about rescueOS. Did I get it wrong? :)
Sep 22 05:52:04 <sicelo> i don't remember if rescueos can do ackups
Sep 22 05:52:13 <sicelo> *backups
Sep 22 05:52:31 <sicelo> booting shouldn't change anything imo
Sep 22 05:56:42 <hexnewbie> Thanks. I will read more about both, and decide what to do here. (But yeah, I suspect booting may not change anything, but I prefer to be sure, and especially avoid installing things. I may be attempting to restore deleted files (conboy notes, possibly contacts) afterwards - which may be pointless, but whatever.)
Sep 22 06:02:10 <sicelo> hexnewbie: use rescueos, and export t the emmc via usb
Sep 22 06:04:00 <hexnewbie> Thanks
Sep 22 09:40:17 <freemangordon> anyone interested in testing libglib2.0 from ubuntu 14.04 on maemo? It is needed so newer libgnutls to be available as well (and newer libsoup, so cutetube to work with newer youtube SSL requirements)?
Sep 22 09:40:41 <KotCzarny> what needs to be done?
Sep 22 09:40:58 <freemangordon> well, debian packaging for maemo
Sep 22 09:41:35 <KotCzarny> so you just want to grab ubuntu pkg src and compile for maemo?
Sep 22 09:41:48 <freemangordon> also, forward-porting a couple of maemo patches
Sep 22 09:42:13 <freemangordon> I already did it, but compiled with ./cofigure, make etc
Sep 22 09:42:26 <freemangordon> (grabbed ubuntu package that is)
Sep 22 09:42:47 <freemangordon> but it has dependencies to 5 other packages, 3 of them non-existing in maemo
Sep 22 09:43:10 <freemangordon> (ffi, nettle and gmp)
Sep 22 09:43:30 <KotCzarny> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libglib2.0-0
Sep 22 09:43:32 <KotCzarny> this one?
Sep 22 09:44:21 <freemangordon> I built all of those under SB, (winth configure and make)
Sep 22 09:44:31 <freemangordon> oh, wait, it is not from ubuntu
Sep 22 09:44:39 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 22 09:44:43 <freemangordon> glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4
Sep 22 09:45:01 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/glib2.0
Sep 22 09:45:17 <freemangordon> that one
Sep 22 09:45:42 <freemangordon> ok, so I built and tested on device with LD_PRELOAD and cutetube2 is able to play from youtube
Sep 22 09:46:44 <freemangordon> building includes glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4 glib-networking-2.32.3 gmp-5.1.3+dfsg gnutls26-2.12.23 libffi-3.0.10 libsoup2.4-2.38.1 nettle-2.7.1
Sep 22 09:47:12 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: but neither of those has working maemo packaging
Sep 22 09:48:09 <freemangordon> also, libglib need https://github.com/community-ssu/glib/tree/master/debian/patches forward-ported (besides 40-gscanner.patch, which I already did)
Sep 22 09:48:20 <freemangordon> :)
Sep 22 09:50:10 <freemangordon> as CSSU seems to be no more, I can distribute through CSSU-thumb, once it is tested to not break something
Sep 22 09:50:19 <KotCzarny> what?
Sep 22 09:50:27 <KotCzarny> werent there recent cssu release?
Sep 22 09:50:37 <KotCzarny> (around june)
Sep 22 09:50:37 <freemangordon> were there?
Sep 22 09:51:05 <freemangordon> yes, but merlin1991 is too busy and has no time, so we lack a maintainer
Sep 22 09:51:36 <freemangordon> however, CSSU is another story
Sep 22 09:52:14 <KotCzarny> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
Sep 22 09:52:24 <KotCzarny> ;)
Sep 22 09:52:37 <freemangordon> hmm
Sep 22 09:52:41 <KotCzarny> 2014 vs 2016
Sep 22 09:53:27 <KotCzarny> though http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable is even more outdated
Sep 22 09:53:43 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: wiki page lies ;)
Sep 22 09:54:06 <KotCzarny> i know, but many people probably see that page
Sep 22 09:54:06 <freemangordon> "10.10.2015 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11+thumb0"
Sep 22 09:54:14 <freemangordon> see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829
Sep 22 09:55:43 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: cssu-thumb is more up-to-date as of now, it is based on the last cssu-testing out
Sep 22 09:56:07 <freemangordon> which is "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 (11.04.2015) "
Sep 22 09:57:14 <freemangordon> anyway, I would like to get some help on packaging and testing newer libglib2.0
Sep 22 09:57:58 <freemangordon> I guess even the one from ubuntu 14.04 will compile without problems, I just took an older version to test with
Sep 22 09:58:11 <zGrr> moin
Sep 22 09:58:18 <freemangordon> hi!
Sep 22 09:59:08 <KotCzarny> oh wow, so many unmet deps
Sep 22 09:59:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 22 09:59:17 <freemangordon> :nod:
Sep 22 09:59:27 <freemangordon> see the list of libs ^^^
Sep 22 09:59:43 <KotCzarny> the worst ones would be related to build env debhelper/cdbs/dpkg-dev etc
Sep 22 10:00:18 <freemangordon> or rather autofoo stuff, debian stuff would be easier
Sep 22 10:00:36 <KotCzarny> i got in my devchroot: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 8.1.3) cdbs (>= 0.4.93) gnome-pkg-tools (>= 0.11) dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.0) libelf-dev libpcre3-dev (>= 8.11) desktop-file-utils gtk-doc-tools (>= 1.15) linux-libc-dev dbus-x11 shared-mime-info python-dbus python-gobject-2 libxml2-utils libffi-dev (>= 3.0.0)
Sep 22 10:00:56 <freemangordon> those are not really needed for building
Sep 22 10:01:23 <KotCzarny> yes, but requires to rewrite building scripts
Sep 22 10:01:36 <KotCzarny> so they would work with older env
Sep 22 10:01:40 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: do autoreconf in host OS
Sep 22 10:01:58 <freemangordon> then configure script works in SB
Sep 22 10:02:18 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: also, gcc4.2 fails to build gmp, IIRC
Sep 22 10:02:23 <KotCzarny> i dont use host os utils, and im talking about debian specific scripts
Sep 22 10:02:29 <freemangordon> you need SB thumb with gcc 4.7 :)
Sep 22 10:02:40 <KotCzarny> [root@n900chr 10:00:54 /1/_src/debian/glib/glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4]# dpkg -l|grep gmp
Sep 22 10:02:41 <KotCzarny> ii  libgmp3c2                         2:4.3.2+dfsg-1ubuntu3        Multiprecision arithmetic librar
Sep 22 10:02:42 <KotCzarny> hum
Sep 22 10:03:37 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: yes, I know what you mean, the point is that you run autoreconf -v -f i in host OS, then run the produced configure script in SB. Without debian packaging ofc
Sep 22 10:04:03 <KotCzarny> fmg: but point is to prepare packaging?
Sep 22 10:04:21 <freemangordon> we can always use debian packaging from maemo libglib
Sep 22 10:04:34 <KotCzarny> i've tackled autofoo barfs in the past without problems
Sep 22 10:05:22 <KotCzarny> we need debian-foo master
Sep 22 10:05:25 <freemangordon> https://github.com/community-ssu/glib/tree/master/debian
Sep 22 10:05:51 <freemangordon> with fixind build deps in debian/control ofc
Sep 22 10:05:55 <freemangordon> *fixing
Sep 22 10:06:22 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: gtg, be back in a couple of hours
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Sep 22 10:43:15 <klydrar> i just received an n900 online, it won't connect or see any wireless networks, the only evidence it has a NIC is a mac address in the about section, how might i troubleshoot to see if it is hardware issue
Sep 22 10:43:32 <KotCzarny> check dmesg too
Sep 22 10:43:55 <KotCzarny> if you can pastebin dmesg
Sep 22 10:44:03 <CatButts> someday, n900, someday
Sep 22 10:46:52 <KotCzarny> klydrar: first thing to do with 2nd hand device would be flashing though
Sep 22 10:55:36 <klydrar> it would be easier if i could input a '>' with this keyboard :(, but I am seeing w11251: WARNING WLAN not ready, w11251: ERROR unsupported chip id: 0x0
Sep 22 10:56:22 <KotCzarny> either broken chip or bad firmware
Sep 22 10:56:33 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Sep 22 10:56:33 <infobot> [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
Sep 22 10:57:23 <klydrar> okay, so i've already done the fiasco and emmc flashing a few hours ago and result is same
Sep 22 10:57:33 <KotCzarny> ahm
Sep 22 10:57:42 <klydrar> poor me, i hope the seller will send me one that works while i use this for basic text/calls ;c
Sep 22 10:58:07 <KotCzarny> how much it was?
Sep 22 10:58:26 <klydrar> i paid ~120 usd
Sep 22 10:58:30 <KotCzarny> o.O
Sep 22 10:58:44 <KotCzarny> much.
Sep 22 10:59:31 <klydrar> where can i find one less?
Sep 22 11:00:10 <KotCzarny> here they are quite cheaper, but i guess in usa they are rare
Sep 22 11:01:24 <klydrar> physical keyboards on anything are very hard to find
Sep 22 11:02:14 <KotCzarny> there are bt adapters
Sep 22 11:02:39 <KotCzarny> if you have spare 1000usd you might be interested in neo900
Sep 22 11:03:03 <klydrar> i am interested in neo900, i was going to wait until they're available to order
Sep 22 11:03:48 <Wizzup> so you are waiting for a possible 2nd run
Sep 22 11:03:48 <klydrar> also, i wanted to hold an n900 to feel their inspiration, this phone is so comfortable 
Sep 22 11:04:29 <KotCzarny> wizzup: freenode disconnected you because ssl3?
Sep 22 11:07:59 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: I upgraded irssi to .20
Sep 22 11:08:02 <Wizzup> and I tried /upgrade
Sep 22 11:08:06 <Wizzup> but as always, that didn't work
Sep 22 11:08:11 <Wizzup> so I had to /quit and start it again
Sep 22 11:08:23 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: https://irssi.org/security/irssi_sa_2016.txt
Sep 22 11:08:58 <Wizzup> I tried /reconnect after /upgrade, but still no workie
Sep 22 11:08:59 <Wizzup> so yeah
Sep 22 11:09:37 <klydrar> yeah i mean a neo900 is the optimal play, but i can handle dealing with the limited resources of n900 for now i'm thinking
Sep 22 11:10:08 <KotCzarny> klydrar: it all depends on what is your use case
Sep 22 11:10:46 <KotCzarny> it can phone/sms/mms, play media, do simple browsing, act like a linux box
Sep 22 11:11:48 <klydrar> yeah, it's all i need really
Sep 22 11:12:14 <klydrar> normally if i want something more i instead become content with having the basics
Sep 22 17:41:12 <freemangordon> Pali: ping
Sep 22 17:41:24 <Pali> freemangordon: pong
Sep 22 17:42:14 <freemangordon> Pali: hi! I am going to try to upgrade libglib2.0, however, it can't go in cssu, besides cssu-thumb (one of the dependencies won;t builg under gcc4.2)
Sep 22 17:42:26 <Pali> ok
Sep 22 17:42:49 <freemangordon> and in the light of the merlin1991 being busy, I wonder if we can focus on cssu-thumb only :)
Sep 22 17:43:42 <KotCzarny> or make cssu-testing to build thumb too?
Sep 22 17:44:07 <KotCzarny> which would result in one less tree to maintain
Sep 22 17:44:28 <freemangordon> I know there is no cssu-thumb-testing, but I guess users will have to swallow the possibility of regressions
Sep 22 17:44:48 <freemangordon> at least there will be something maintained
Sep 22 17:45:00 <KotCzarny> ie. when building cssu-testing would build cssu-testing-thumb in the same time
Sep 22 17:45:10 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: won;t work
Sep 22 17:45:23 <freemangordon> see my note ^^^ for gcc requirement
Sep 22 17:46:36 <freemangordon> Pali: that way we can try to upgrade as much libs as possible to newer version as I feel most of the stuff will stop working sooner than later
Sep 22 17:47:08 <freemangordon> esp security related
Sep 22 17:47:31 <KotCzarny> hmm
Sep 22 17:47:40 <KotCzarny> maybe compile -testing with 4.7 too?
Sep 22 17:47:47 <KotCzarny> shouldnt cause regressions
Sep 22 17:47:58 <freemangordon> what is the point?
Sep 22 17:48:37 <freemangordon> also it *causes* regression, some of the packages in -thumb have fixes because of gcc
Sep 22 17:48:57 <KotCzarny> things applied to -thumb wont hurt -testing, but enhancements to -testing would automatically show in -thumb
Sep 22 17:49:32 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: we don;t have maintainrship power to support -testing and -stable anymore, sorry
Sep 22 17:49:50 <KotCzarny> fmg, thats why the fewer trees, the better
Sep 22 17:50:10 <freemangordon> it is not the trees, but the releases
Sep 22 17:50:27 <freemangordon> also, cssu build is not automated
Sep 22 17:50:33 <KotCzarny> s/trees/releases/
Sep 22 17:50:34 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: fmg, thats why the fewer releases, the better
Sep 22 17:50:44 <KotCzarny> eh, that came out wrong
Sep 22 17:50:47 <freemangordon> so you don't just add a new target in the builder
Sep 22 17:50:50 <KotCzarny> but you see what i meant
Sep 22 17:51:46 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: it needs time I don;t currently have
Sep 22 17:52:28 <freemangordon> Only I can do is to continue with cssu-thumb.
Sep 22 17:52:33 <freemangordon> only
Sep 22 17:52:59 <KotCzarny> uhum, to be honest, i wonder if going thumb only wouldnt be better
Sep 22 17:53:07 <freemangordon> :nod:
Sep 22 17:53:10 <KotCzarny> its in the wild for quite some time
Sep 22 17:53:20 <KotCzarny> and there are no reports of things exploding
Sep 22 18:38:44 <sixwheeledbeast> wasn't there a reason for not being thumb only?
Sep 22 18:49:57 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: well, the only problem is that it needs thumb kernel, however this is a problem for a kind of LTS like CSSU
Sep 22 18:51:03 <KotCzarny> backupmenu should detect situation when rootfs is thumb enabled and kernel is not
Sep 22 18:51:23 <freemangordon> I guess this is problem of backupmenu, not cssu-thumb
Sep 22 18:52:39 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: in the meantime, there are 2 packages in cssu-thumb glib needs - gmp and nettle :). I guess you can use those if you plan to play with newer glib
Sep 22 18:53:25 <KotCzarny> maybe i should add cssu-thumb as a package source in my chroot too
Sep 22 18:53:44 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: "your chroot"?
Sep 22 18:54:26 <KotCzarny> yeah, i dont use scratchbox-on-x86, just 4core arm machine with a7
Sep 22 18:54:44 <freemangordon> oh, yes then
Sep 22 18:55:05 <freemangordon> which compiler is that?
Sep 22 18:55:18 <KotCzarny> um?
Sep 22 18:55:24 <freemangordon> gccNNN?
Sep 22 18:55:30 <freemangordon> NNN=?
Sep 22 18:55:40 <KotCzarny> the ones available in sb repos and/or cssu
Sep 22 18:55:57 <freemangordon> well, you'll need gcc472 then as well
Sep 22 18:55:58 <KotCzarny> currently 4.2.1
Sep 22 18:56:03 <freemangordon> ~cssu-thumb
Sep 22 18:56:04 <infobot> rumour has it, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
Sep 22 18:56:15 <KotCzarny> but i switch them on the needs
Sep 22 18:56:23 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29
Sep 22 18:56:37 <KotCzarny> but that toolchain is for x86 afair
Sep 22 18:56:39 <freemangordon> this is for SB ofc, but I guess you'll manage to reuse it
Sep 22 18:56:39 <KotCzarny> right?
Sep 22 18:56:42 <freemangordon> yes
Sep 22 18:56:44 <freemangordon> :(
Sep 22 18:56:56 <KotCzarny> no worries, i had 4.7 somewhere i think
Sep 22 18:57:01 <freemangordon> ok
Sep 22 18:58:06 <KotCzarny> wouldnt mind having native 4.9 or higher in repos ;)
Sep 22 18:58:58 <KotCzarny> [root@n900chr 18:58:49 /1/_src/gcc-5.3/bin]# ./gcc -v
Sep 22 18:59:02 <KotCzarny> gcc version 5.3.0 (GCC)
Sep 22 18:59:19 <freemangordon> should suffice :)
Sep 22 18:59:32 <KotCzarny> compiling locally is not a problem, but having properly packaged one wouldnt be bad
Sep 22 18:59:40 <KotCzarny> even for ondevice devel
Sep 22 19:00:42 <freemangordon> yeah
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