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Oct 28 07:19:42 <Railroadmaster> Is this the Maemo IRC?
Oct 28 07:19:50 <kerio> ye
Oct 28 07:20:32 <Railroadmaster> OK it says my IP address is on the Anti-Spam list, could I please have it removed?
Oct 28 07:21:15 <Railroadmaster> The talk.maemo.org website told me to come here
Oct 28 07:22:29 <Railroadmaster> "Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist.
Oct 28 07:22:29 <Railroadmaster> Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel."
Oct 28 07:24:38 <Railroadmaster> Is there some way to address this
Oct 28 07:26:07 <Railroadmaster> ??
Oct 28 07:45:52 <Railroadmaster> So any idea about the IP?
Oct 28 07:57:53 <KotCzarny> is your ip dynamic?
Oct 28 09:48:37 <L29Ah> facilitating facilitators failed to facilitate sane forum policies :(
Oct 28 10:32:21 <DocScrutinizer05> we have pretty sane forum policies
Oct 28 10:33:56 <L29Ah> banning random bands of ip addresses from reading forums and wiki is not sane
Oct 28 10:39:31 <DocScrutinizer05> how's that a *policy*?
Oct 28 10:39:47 <DocScrutinizer05> that's a implementation detail
Oct 28 10:40:49 <DocScrutinizer05> and your pun on "facilitators" is completely off
Oct 28 10:41:17 <DocScrutinizer05> council isn't really in a position to micromanage implementation details
Oct 28 10:42:51 <DocScrutinizer05> You'd know if you bothered to contribute and help instead of just making demotivating jokes
Oct 28 10:44:04 <DocScrutinizer05> tmo is using blacklists, and the tmo maintainers/admins have no real saying in which IPs get blocked by those
Oct 28 10:45:01 <DocScrutinizer05> so best they can do is send customers here to let maintainer know there's an exception needed, which usually gets implemented instantly
Oct 28 10:46:02 <DocScrutinizer05> if we need blacklist guarding for mere *reading* of forum, or this could get set up in a way so only login is guarded is a completely different topic to discuss
Oct 28 10:46:46 <DocScrutinizer05> still nothing council is supposed to have any notion or expertise about, best thing council can do is suggest here
Oct 28 10:47:54 <DocScrutinizer05> hint: maintainer of tmo is chem|st
Oct 28 10:50:14 <DocScrutinizer05> bottom line: if you had forwarded Railroadmaster to chem|st instead of ranting about "facilitators failed to facilitate", that would have made this a more helpful and friendly place for everybody
Oct 28 10:52:06 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry when I sound grumpy and pissed - maybe that's because I actually am. This sort of rant doesn't help anybody and I seen it too often already
Oct 28 10:52:21 <DocScrutinizer05> (this sort: "facilitators failed to facilitate")
Oct 28 10:57:05 <DocScrutinizer05> if you really want to criticize council for anything, then that would be the lack of presence in here, since their job would be to answer what I suggested you could have answered instead of that rant
Oct 28 11:01:34 <DocScrutinizer05> they also could point at a lack of precision in instructions given to tmo visitors that get blocked, it should mention whom to ping in here since obviously a lot of users in here have no idea how to handle such a case (ping the maintainer, explain the situation to visitor, ask for patientce and express sorry for the inconvenience)
Oct 28 11:03:19 <DocScrutinizer05> that's what council is supposed to do, not mess with tmo blacklist modules
Oct 28 11:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> that's "facilitating"
Oct 28 11:10:17 <DocScrutinizer05> council not even has admin accounts on tmo VM
Oct 28 11:10:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and that's entirely on purpose, they shall not have those
Oct 28 11:19:52 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe helpful (just apply common sense to adapt those rules to the 'new' situation, like "hire maemo.org staff" becomes "appoint/fire competent expert volunteers for maintaining maemo infra") http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Council_work
Oct 28 11:21:35 <DocScrutinizer05> "Being able to represent the community to Nokia" becomes "moderate between techstaff and larger community"
Oct 28 11:30:35 <DocScrutinizer05> even better: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/FAQ#What_is_the_difference_between_a_council_member_and_a_committed_community_member.3F
Oct 28 11:31:14 <sixwheeledbeast> Need to make it clear on the reject page that techstaff are not here 24/7 they may have to wait about for a response
Oct 28 11:31:54 <sixwheeledbeast> Still not ideal rejecting Tor in the first place, I would normally not bother with a site like this and move on.
Oct 28 11:32:26 <sixwheeledbeast> I know, it's not "Tor" but most of the end nodes are blocked.
Oct 28 11:32:35 <KotCzarny> or make infobot react on the usuall paste
Oct 28 11:32:56 <sixwheeledbeast> ah well ~unbanip is a thing
Oct 28 11:32:56 <KotCzarny> fe. on 'Anti-Spam list'
Oct 28 11:33:09 <sixwheeledbeast> ~unbanip
Oct 28 11:33:09 <infobot> [unbanip] please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal
Oct 28 11:33:27 <KotCzarny> or just add this info to error page and be done with irc
Oct 28 11:33:29 <KotCzarny> ;)
Oct 28 11:39:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~unbanip is also contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here
Oct 28 11:39:00 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Oct 28 11:39:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ~unbanip
Oct 28 11:39:21 <infobot> rumour has it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal
Oct 28 11:39:31 <DocScrutinizer05> damn
Oct 28 11:39:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget unbanip
Oct 28 11:39:42 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: i forgot unbanip
Oct 28 11:39:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~unbanip
Oct 28 11:39:45 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal
Oct 28 11:39:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo unbanip is also contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here
Oct 28 11:39:53 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Oct 28 11:39:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~unbanip
Oct 28 11:39:57 <infobot> methinks unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here
Oct 28 11:40:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~techstaff
Oct 28 11:40:44 <infobot> methinks techstaff is techstaff(AT)maemo.org - the folks that keep your maemo infra running. Devotion to Duty http://xkcd.com/705/
Oct 28 11:43:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: thanks!
Oct 28 11:45:27 <sixwheeledbeast> np
Oct 28 13:53:08 <DocScrutinizer05> oh WOW! Jolla finally remembering its roots
Oct 28 13:53:39 <DocScrutinizer05> https://together.jolla.com/question/149869/coding-competition-the-1st-maemo-developer-regatta-the-starting-line/
Oct 28 16:05:38 <totalizator> this is nice
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