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Nov 08 13:32:03 <tr404> after owning a fancy latest greatest android phone, i still prefer the n900
Nov 08 13:33:08 <tr404> can anyone recommend a fm radio player?
Nov 08 13:33:25 <KotCzarny> we all do. i think there was some radio tuner in repos
Nov 08 13:33:43 <tr404> can the N900 pick up mw and lw 
Nov 08 13:35:31 <juiceme> tr404, nope, it's FM only. 
Nov 08 13:35:43 <tr404> ok thanks
Nov 08 14:23:03 <bencoh> don't we have AM as well?
Nov 08 14:23:38 <bencoh> I personally can't listen to radio much, my head just hurts after a while ...
Nov 08 14:23:51 <bencoh> (I mean, music from the radio)
Nov 08 14:59:09 <sunshavi> tr404: qradio
Nov 08 15:03:04 <tr404> thanks works well
Nov 08 15:04:08 <tr404> what other cellphones apart from n900 does maemo support?
Nov 08 15:21:59 <sicelo> what was the android phone?
Nov 08 15:22:33 <sicelo> tr404: ^^
Nov 08 15:24:26 <sicelo> and to your last question - none, if you mean the Maemo version on N900 (i.e. Maemo 5). N9 has Maemo 6/Harmattan, and pre-N900 NITs have their own version. SO simple answer, none :)
Nov 08 15:29:05 <tr404> is maemo 6 pretty much the same as maemo 5?
Nov 08 15:29:54 <bencoh> not really no
Nov 08 15:30:04 <bencoh> UI is qt-based for instance
Nov 08 15:30:26 <tr404> does maemo 6 have a up to date browser?
Nov 08 15:34:04 <ShadowJK> No
Nov 08 15:51:55 <sicelo> :)
Nov 08 15:58:51 <bencoh> a tiny bit more "up-to-date", and device has more memory (not that much), so ....
Nov 08 16:52:15 <sicelo> cellnet-info depends on both pygtk and pyqt :-/
Nov 08 16:58:13 <bencoh> bleh :D
Nov 08 16:58:47 <bencoh> hm ... looks like GPDwin really runs linux fine ... and it does look nice according to the report on TMO ...
Nov 08 16:59:23 <bencoh> too bad there is no modem chip inside
Nov 08 16:59:38 <sicelo> :)
Nov 08 17:00:32 <sicelo> maybe they might be open to suggestion?
Nov 08 17:01:25 <bencoh> (ah, a few things still don't work ... like sound oO. but still :))
Nov 08 17:01:30 <bencoh> no idea .... maybe :)
Nov 08 17:02:30 <bencoh> it's more of a pocket "laptop" than a phone anyway, considering battery life
Nov 08 17:03:25 <bencoh> (announced 6~8hours with a 6000mAh battery)
Nov 08 17:03:32 <sicelo> i do follow the thread .. but not on a daily basis .. chances of bringing one to this part of the world are verging on slim ;)
Nov 08 17:03:44 <sicelo> oh my! that's heavy
Nov 08 17:12:53 <bencoh> 300g? heavier than n900, but still lighter than pyra :/
Nov 08 17:13:22 <sicelo> i meant power usage .. 
Nov 08 17:13:49 <bencoh> ah
Nov 08 17:14:01 <sicelo> we survive on far less on N900 .. then again, we don't have as much stuff to power (i guess?)
Nov 08 17:14:01 <bencoh> yeah, that too .... x86/atom :)
Nov 08 17:14:14 <sicelo> aha!
Nov 08 17:14:25 <bencoh> not exactly the same thing as omap3 ;)
Nov 08 17:15:01 <bencoh> n900 needs 10~15mA idle with wifi off and gsm on, so ... :)
Nov 08 17:15:11 <bencoh> (idle, locked screen)
Nov 08 17:16:38 <sicelo> yes .. even less if you're on wifi with n900-friendly PSM
Nov 08 17:17:02 <sicelo> on GPRS/EDGE i tend to standby at 4mA
Nov 08 17:17:42 <bencoh> err, I've never reached 4mA
Nov 08 17:18:11 <bencoh> not according to bq27x*.sh
Nov 08 17:19:11 <sicelo> prolly depends on the network operators too? because i see some report better power savings on 3G than GPRS, whereas for me it's the opposite. i have got 4mA lots of times with bq27200.sh
Nov 08 17:20:02 <bencoh> dunno ... still sounds strange to me that it'd get better result with 3G than GSM
Nov 08 17:20:22 <xes> hum... desktop switch in portrait mode... where is the setting to choose between left-right and up-down??
Nov 08 17:20:39 <bencoh> left-right/up-down? what's that?
Nov 08 17:21:08 <bencoh> there's an orientation applet somewhere in extras iirc, but I dunno if that's what you're looking for
Nov 08 17:21:59 <sicelo> mine's better on GSM .. but some here and on tmo seemed to have it better on 3g .. 
Nov 08 17:22:13 <xes> bencoh: i have changed the setting to "swipe up-down" to change desktop in portrait mode one year ago and i can't reme,ber how change it again
Nov 08 17:23:16 <bencoh> hildon transitions maybe
Nov 08 17:23:40 <bencoh> it does ring a bell now
Nov 08 18:39:05 <xes> bencoh: oh, got it! Cssu features - desktop scroll - vertical / horizontal
Nov 08 19:08:56 <bencoh> :)
Nov 08 19:25:43 <sixwheeledbeast> it's in transistions.ini 
Nov 08 19:26:39 <sicelo> looks like gconf rather? :-/
Nov 08 19:27:28 <sixwheeledbeast> oh yeah
Nov 08 19:28:39 <sixwheeledbeast> zaxisrotation was the one I was thinking of.
Nov 09 00:44:31 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF? https://maemo.org/ -> white page
Nov 09 00:45:31 <Oksana> http://maemo.org/ works. Granted, https://maemo.org/ should either work or redirect, blank page is not fine
Nov 09 00:45:33 <DocScrutinizer05> in konqueror and firefox
Nov 09 00:46:02 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I can't log in without switching to https://
Nov 09 00:46:08 * Oksana has same blank page for https://maemo.org/ in Firefox
Nov 09 00:46:51 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW logging in auto-switches to https
Nov 09 00:47:15 * Oksana tries to login... same https problem... going to http://wiki.maemo.org/ ...
Nov 09 00:48:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I logged in on http: and it switches to white page as soon as I click "Go"
Nov 09 00:48:38 <Oksana> Wiki.maemo.org logs in... Without https, I am guessing. And it does not provide a login on maemo.org
Nov 09 00:49:00 <Oksana> At least, https://wiki.maemo.org/ is not blank
Nov 09 00:49:28 <Oksana> https://garage.maemo.org/ is not blank, either.
Nov 09 00:49:49 <Oksana> >> Without https, I am guessing. << Assumption which may easily be incorrect.
Nov 09 00:50:23 <Oksana> https://maemo.org/ is blank in Google Chrome, too
Nov 09 00:52:02 <Oksana> Attempt to login from http://maemo.org/intro/ gives same blank https://maemo.org/intro/
Nov 09 00:53:47 <DocScrutinizer05> or http://maemo.org/packages
Nov 09 00:54:18 <DocScrutinizer05> or http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/sim-switcher/0.7.1-1/
Nov 09 00:54:42 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: ^^^
Nov 09 00:54:49 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: ^^^
Nov 09 01:10:34 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: let me check
Nov 09 01:57:33 <DocScrutinizer05> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Nov 09 01:57:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Length: 0 [text/html]
Nov 09 01:57:36 <DocScrutinizer05> Saving to: 'STDOUT'
Nov 09 01:57:37 <DocScrutinizer05> -                                                   [ <=>                                                                                                    ]       0  --.-KB/s   in 0s     
Nov 09 01:57:39 <DocScrutinizer05> 2016-11-09 02:57:09 (0.00 B/s) - written to stdout [0/0]
Nov 09 02:18:08 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: could you retry
Nov 09 02:19:47 <xes> ?
Nov 09 02:23:16 * xes is falling into a deep sleep...Zzz
Nov 09 02:56:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Nov 09 02:56:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Connecting to maemo.org (maemo.org)|213.128.137.20|:443... connected.
Nov 09 02:56:59 <DocScrutinizer05> WARNING: cannot verify maemo.org's certificate, issued by '/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=StartCom Certification Authority/CN=StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA':
Nov 09 02:57:01 <DocScrutinizer05>   Unable to locally verify the issuer's authority.
Nov 09 02:57:02 <DocScrutinizer05> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
Nov 09 02:57:04 <DocScrutinizer05> 2016-11-09 03:56:29 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
Nov 09 02:57:26 <DocScrutinizer05> hah! browser shows something
Nov 09 02:58:24 <DocScrutinizer05> OK, logged in. everything seems to work
Nov 09 02:58:29 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: ^^^
Nov 09 02:59:29 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/11/09/plasma-desktopUe2244.png
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