**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 26 03:00:00 2016
Nov 26 15:52:00 <warfare> Everything going down now. 
Nov 26 15:57:15 <L29Ah> no
Nov 26 15:57:29 <kerio> D:
Nov 26 16:35:13 <freemangordon> Android_808: hi!
Nov 26 16:35:25 <freemangordon> I managed to build h-d, finally :)
Nov 26 16:35:32 <Android_808> hi, finally got home
Nov 26 16:35:47 <freemangordon> in devuan VM. Now I am building it in devuan on allwinner tablet
Nov 26 16:36:20 <freemangordon> Android_808: how to setup theme for h-d to use? I installed alpha theme, but h-d didn;t pick it up
Nov 26 16:37:04 <Android_808> I', just going over it at the moment.  Apparently it still builds with the Mer hack in place :) I'm reverting the hack now.
Nov 26 16:37:22 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 26 16:37:50 <freemangordon> Android_808: I made 2 pull requests, please merge
Nov 26 16:38:26 <Android_808> Try symlink /usr/share/themes/alpha to /usr/share/themes/default.
Nov 26 16:38:43 <freemangordon> Android_808: tried it, nothing
Nov 26 16:39:21 <KotCzarny> fmg: run h-d via strace?
Nov 26 16:39:30 <KotCzarny> should be doable on that tablet
Nov 26 16:39:41 <KotCzarny> grep 'open'
Nov 26 16:39:46 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: I tried that in the VM
Nov 26 16:40:54 <Android_808> Whats the output when running through the console, if I remember it has something to do with backgrounds not being found.
Nov 26 16:41:07 <freemangordon> yes, it cannot find pvr files
Nov 26 16:41:24 <freemangordon> but that should not be a reason for missing switcher button image
Nov 26 16:42:53 <Android_808> Ok, copy the background[1-4].png to ~/.backgrounds
Nov 26 16:43:07 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 26 16:44:02 <Android_808> Wouldn't even start for me without those in place.
Nov 26 16:45:52 <Android_808> any luck?
Nov 26 16:46:06 <freemangordon> just a second
Nov 26 16:47:20 <freemangordon> Android_808: no such files in alpha theme, shall I use the ones from n900?
Nov 26 16:48:32 <Android_808> I know I copied them in from somewhere, one sec
Nov 26 16:51:05 <Android_808> alpha package, /usr/share/themes/alpha/backgrounds/ called background1.png, background2.png by the looks of it
Nov 26 16:51:49 <freemangordon> weird, I have files called "wallpaper", not background
Nov 26 16:52:10 <freemangordon> I just pulled alpha package from maemo repos
Nov 26 16:55:24 <freemangordon> Android_808: also, this is x86, that might be the reason it starts at all
Nov 26 16:55:36 * freemangordon checks in SB
Nov 26 16:56:21 <freemangordon> no background1.png in SB too
Nov 26 16:57:26 <Android_808> whoops, yeah wallpaper[1-4].png.  wallpaper in theme, background-[1-4].png in ~/.backgrounds
Nov 26 16:57:56 <Android_808> From hildon-theme-alpha_9.1+0m5_all.deb
Nov 26 16:58:08 <freemangordon> I copied those from the device :)
Nov 26 16:58:53 <freemangordon> looks way better now, but task switcher button is still pink :)
Nov 26 16:59:37 <freemangordon> "could not find icon tasklaunch..."
Nov 26 17:00:13 <Android_808> There is a backgrounds...service for want of a better phrase that I don't have running yet that populates the hildon-home dialogs IIRC.  Maybe that copies current theme wallpaper over.
Nov 26 17:01:01 <freemangordon> could be
Nov 26 17:01:10 <freemangordon> any idea where are the icons?
Nov 26 17:02:19 <freemangordon> hmm, in theme it seems
Nov 26 17:02:25 <freemangordon> but h-d cannot find it
Nov 26 17:06:17 <Android_808> what was the full path?
Nov 26 17:09:10 <freemangordon> no path, just tasklaunch_default_application
Nov 26 17:09:21 <freemangordon> I guess this is icon
Nov 26 17:11:51 <Android_808> that doesn't sound quite right for task switcher.  try mkdir /etc/hildon, then ln -s "/usr/share/themes/default" '/etc/hildon/theme'
Nov 26 17:12:54 <Android_808> I know I don't have icon theme installed so its defo not that.
Nov 26 17:13:26 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 26 17:15:19 <freemangordon> looks better now :)
Nov 26 17:18:37 <freemangordon> Android_808: any idea how to run h-d on ARM with SW rendering?
Nov 26 17:20:21 <Android_808> Right, both them commands are part of theme-config/theme-default-settings/theme-default-settings-[variant].  The nokia binaries release is only a postinst script, as mentioned the other day.  I have literally just upped a copy to my repo of it repackaged.  not 100% sure if i can do this but all it does it set up symlinks.  All we need to do later is change the default theme name when we have a gtk3 ready theme.
Nov 26 17:20:47 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 26 17:20:52 <Android_808> er...
Nov 26 17:25:58 <Android_808> Not 100%.  I'm gonna guess it would need mesa with gles support and gallium drivers.
Nov 26 17:26:49 <freemangordon> ok, installing libgl1-mesa-swx11 seems to fix it
Nov 26 17:27:18 <freemangordon> but now I have "libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate" and the segfault :(
Nov 26 17:27:55 <KotCzarny> that's in vm or on tablet?
Nov 26 17:28:08 <freemangordon> tablet
Nov 26 17:28:18 <freemangordon> in vm there is no problem
Nov 26 17:29:28 <KotCzarny> it looks like a common problem with mesa/arm
Nov 26 17:29:41 <freemangordon> yeah
Nov 26 17:30:39 <KotCzarny> try reinstalling mesa packages?
Nov 26 17:30:55 <freemangordon> es2gears starts without problem
Nov 26 17:31:03 <Android_808> There's a bit on https://pi3d.github.io/html/FAQ.html with same error
Nov 26 17:31:05 <KotCzarny> or check what libEGL.so.1 and libGLESv2.so.2 points to
Nov 26 17:31:20 <freemangordon> so segfault seems unrelated, lets see what gdb says
Nov 26 17:32:38 <bencoh> (is suppose techstaff is working on infra?)
Nov 26 17:33:12 <Android_808> another suggests removing libgles2-mesa
Nov 26 17:34:48 <freemangordon> Android_808: that will remove clutter :)
Nov 26 17:38:03 <Android_808> unfortunately I don't have *any* devices to actually test on at the moment so I only use x86_64 VM Stretch image, running x86_64 Jessie in nspawn container or an Eee 1000 running a x86 Stretch nspawn.
Nov 26 17:38:19 <KotCzarny> check what libs ldd shows?
Nov 26 17:40:52 <Android_808> What are the tablet specs or make&model
Nov 26 17:41:04 <KotCzarny> q8 clone
Nov 26 17:41:10 <KotCzarny> allwinner a33 based
Nov 26 17:41:22 <freemangordon> :nod:
Nov 26 17:41:37 <freemangordon> it has mali GPU, but I was hoping to run it without HW accell
Nov 26 17:44:11 <KotCzarny> unfortunatelly none of the arm 3D chips have open source or at least mainline driver (afair)
Nov 26 17:45:35 <Wizzup> freedreno has one
Nov 26 17:45:43 <Wizzup> so for adreno gpu's 
Nov 26 17:45:52 <Wizzup> but it doesn't matter much if you're just using it as test/dev device
Nov 26 17:46:01 <Wizzup> as in, then you don't necessarily need a foss one (would be nice)
Nov 26 17:47:27 <KotCzarny> wizzup, i think there isnt even an unofficial patch for mali
Nov 26 17:47:52 <KotCzarny> (but i might be wrong)
Nov 26 17:50:17 <Android_808> Can you force X11 to load llvm driver?
Nov 26 17:50:38 <NotKit> what about LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1?
Nov 26 17:50:45 <NotKit> with MESA installed
Nov 26 17:51:13 <freemangordon> will try both
Nov 26 17:53:17 <freemangordon> NotKit: renderer is already SW - "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11"
Nov 26 17:55:40 <NotKit> could you try LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose?
Nov 26 17:56:07 <freemangordon> changes nothing
Nov 26 18:06:32 <Wizzup> it should say llvmpipe as renderer
Nov 26 18:06:44 <Wizzup> some distros should allow you to switch between backend
Nov 26 18:08:02 <NotKit> with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose it should display what driver library MESA is trying to load, if MESA is used
Nov 26 18:09:17 <freemangordon> Wizzup: I don;t see llvmpipe at all here
Nov 26 18:09:20 <Android_808> freemangordon: forgot to say, merged your commits.  Added another to revert the Mer changes.
Nov 26 18:09:46 <freemangordon> great
Nov 26 18:09:56 <freemangordon> Wizzup: how to install that, any idea?
Nov 26 18:10:31 <Wizzup> freemangordon: let me look around for a bit
Nov 26 18:11:08 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 26 18:11:33 <Wizzup> does glxinfo give you anything?
Nov 26 18:11:47 <Wizzup> glxinfo | grep renderer  ; glxinfo | grep version
Nov 26 18:11:52 <freemangordon> sure, lots of stuff
Nov 26 18:11:59 <Wizzup> what does it say for renderer?
Nov 26 18:12:00 <freemangordon> renderer is mesa
Nov 26 18:12:01 <Wizzup> hm
Nov 26 18:12:37 <freemangordon> Wizzup: "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11"
Nov 26 18:13:17 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 26 18:13:25 <freemangordon> Wizzup: apt-get install llvm-dev?
Nov 26 18:13:26 <KotCzarny> maybe jessie's mesa isnt compiled with it?
Nov 26 18:13:42 <Wizzup> I am tryin to find out if that can be found out by looking at the libs
Nov 26 18:14:10 <freemangordon> should I install gallium driver?
Nov 26 18:14:17 <Wizzup> https://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2015/07/msg00038.html this seems somewhat relevant
Nov 26 18:14:49 <Wizzup> (still digging)
Nov 26 18:15:31 <Wizzup> It should at least say llvmpipe if you're using that, so I think right now you don't have it
Nov 26 18:15:44 <Android_808> I can't see llvmpipe in arm packages, so you may need to rebuild mesa
Nov 26 18:15:46 <freemangordon> seems like
Nov 26 18:15:51 <Wizzup> That would be quite annoying
Nov 26 18:15:52 <KotCzarny> funnily ubuntu bug that made them disable it shows just that error msg
Nov 26 18:15:53 <KotCzarny> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1260068
Nov 26 18:15:55 <freemangordon> cool :)
Nov 26 18:16:00 <Wizzup> Wondering if I can just give you my mesa...
Nov 26 18:16:22 <freemangordon> Wizzup: armhf?
Nov 26 18:16:24 <Wizzup> yep
Nov 26 18:16:39 <KotCzarny> so maybe its enabled, but something is messed up in os
Nov 26 18:16:54 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: no, it is disabled because of unity
Nov 26 18:17:18 <KotCzarny> error msg is the same (and segfault too ;)
Nov 26 18:17:28 <Wizzup> https://wizzup.org/mesa.tar.bz2 may be worth a shot.
Nov 26 18:17:34 <Wizzup> It's from my armhf chromebook
Nov 26 18:17:45 <Wizzup> Otherwise, maybe we can get parazyd to build it
Nov 26 18:18:03 <Wizzup> devuan should not care about unity
Nov 26 18:18:13 <freemangordon> Wizzup: just extract that in /?
Nov 26 18:18:25 <Wizzup> freemangordon: well, I don't know if that is sensible, but you could.
Nov 26 18:18:33 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 26 18:18:43 <Wizzup> maybe back up some things it may override
Nov 26 18:18:56 <Wizzup> again, this is from my gentoo laptop, so it may work, but it may also not work, or things may be in a different place
Nov 26 18:19:08 <freemangordon> yeah
Nov 26 18:19:13 <Wizzup> freemangordon: on unrelated note, how did you extract the firmware from your android?
Nov 26 18:19:20 <Wizzup> I want to move forward on the tablet tonight
Nov 26 18:19:31 <freemangordon> Wizzup: with the extractor, but it didn't work :)
Nov 26 18:19:35 <Wizzup> Apparently my tablet is also q8, so maybe I can just try something that you have?
Nov 26 18:19:41 <freemangordon> so I found TS FW over the inet
Nov 26 18:19:43 <Wizzup> Aha. I was thinking of rooting the android / install a shell
Nov 26 18:19:52 <freemangordon> Wizzup: adb does the job
Nov 26 18:19:56 <Wizzup> ah. right.
Nov 26 18:19:56 <Android_808> do you have a link for the tablet?
Nov 26 18:20:14 <Wizzup> Android_808: I only have a link to the shop I got mine, and I cannot say for sure it'll work yet.
Nov 26 18:20:22 <Wizzup> but it's this one: http://www.plesio.bg/tableti-c-69981200/turbo-x-twister-iv-ips-ablet-7-wifi-black-p-314802.html
Nov 26 18:20:43 <Wizzup> freemangordon: idea .... tar tf the tar
Nov 26 18:20:54 <Wizzup> copy all the paths in the tar, as in backup it
Nov 26 18:20:56 <Wizzup> so, ehm...
Nov 26 18:21:14 <Wizzup> tar cjf debian-mesa-maybe.tar.bz2 $(tar tf mesa.tar.bz2)
Nov 26 18:21:22 <Wizzup> that might work? at least to save any devuan things
Nov 26 18:21:38 <Wizzup> (may need to add a / to the paths)
Nov 26 18:21:48 <Wizzup> in any case, if you don't care about the image, you can just go ahead and try it right away
Nov 26 18:21:58 <Wizzup> or perhaps use some LD_LIBRARY_PATH hack, idk
Nov 26 18:24:13 <freemangordon> Wizzup: won;t work, as lib paths are different here
Nov 26 18:24:18 <freemangordon> will try LD_PRELOAD
Nov 26 18:24:27 <Wizzup> what are the lib paths?
Nov 26 18:24:53 <freemangordon> /usr/lib/arm....
Nov 26 18:25:00 <Wizzup> I see
Nov 26 18:25:23 <freemangordon> also, thre is no mesa dir at all, just dri
Nov 26 18:25:36 <Wizzup> there must be a libGL at least
Nov 26 18:25:38 <parazyd> Wizzup: let's continue here. what mesa version? waht's up?
Nov 26 18:25:42 <Wizzup> I think all the important libs are in /usr/lib (in my tar), so LD_LIBRARY_PATH may just work
Nov 26 18:25:55 <Wizzup> parazyd: would be nice if the mesa packaged in devuan has llvmpipe enabled
Nov 26 18:26:00 <Wizzup> it's the much-faster software renderer
Nov 26 18:26:18 <Wizzup> That way one can get somewhat usable opengl without gpu/drivers
Nov 26 18:26:18 <freemangordon> parazyd: for armhf that is
Nov 26 18:26:46 <parazyd> i'll see what i can do
Nov 26 18:27:05 <parazyd> not sure if it can end up in jessie quickly, but i can give you a .dev
Nov 26 18:27:08 <parazyd> .deb
Nov 26 18:27:24 <freemangordon> will help a lot
Nov 26 18:28:05 <parazyd> it's this one? libegl1-mesa
Nov 26 18:28:16 <parazyd> sry
Nov 26 18:28:20 <Wizzup> It's the one that contains libGL I think
Nov 26 18:28:21 <parazyd> 10.3.2-1+deb8u1
Nov 26 18:28:32 <parazyd> ok
Nov 26 18:29:01 <Wizzup> libegl is not a gl implementation library, but a way of using opengl that supports opengles, iirc
Nov 26 18:29:18 <Wizzup> libGLES are the ones that implement opengles
Nov 26 18:29:29 <Wizzup> freemangordon: actually, do you need opengl or opengles?
Nov 26 18:29:40 <freemangordon> I thing gles2
Nov 26 18:30:46 <Wizzup> Let me compile eglinfo and friends as well
Nov 26 18:31:32 <Wizzup> (those are actually useful tools)
Nov 26 18:31:37 <Android_808> line 96 in debian/rules of Jessie package disables llvmpipe for armhf
Nov 26 18:31:42 <Android_808> of mesa
Nov 26 18:32:05 <Wizzup> freemangordon: the devuan image that you're using for the tablet, is it the one I downloaded at some point, for the n900? Or where did you get it from?
Nov 26 18:32:14 <Wizzup> Or it is just a rootfs, and then your own u-boot+kernel image
Nov 26 18:32:15 <parazyd> Android_808: just looking at it :)
Nov 26 18:32:16 <freemangordon> Wizzup: the one for n900
Nov 26 18:32:20 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 26 18:32:33 <parazyd> comment:  # Do not build llvmpipe for armhf, it regresses compared to the classic swrast.
Nov 26 18:32:35 <Wizzup> I need to go in a bit, but will take my tablet with me, hoping I can make it all work tonight
Nov 26 18:32:37 <parazyd> freemangordon: ^^
Nov 26 18:32:41 <Wizzup> parazyd: it regresses for unity
Nov 26 18:32:46 <parazyd> O.o
Nov 26 18:32:48 <Wizzup> you don't care about unity
Nov 26 18:32:51 <Wizzup> parazyd: also, what mesa does devuan ship?
Nov 26 18:32:58 <parazyd> 10.3.2
Nov 26 18:33:03 <Wizzup> hm, that is very old
Nov 26 18:33:18 <parazyd> that's what you get with debian
Nov 26 18:33:18 <freemangordon> parazyd: well, swrast segfaults, what llvmpipe does then?
Nov 26 18:33:21 <parazyd> >stable
Nov 26 18:33:29 <Wizzup> freemangordon: once I have that tablet image up, I can see if I can use my gentoo mesa and make it work for us for now
Nov 26 18:33:38 <freemangordon> Wizzup: ok
Nov 26 18:33:40 <Wizzup> I might but you about that a few more times today
Nov 26 18:33:44 <Wizzup> did you solder serial on it?
Nov 26 18:33:48 <freemangordon> no
Nov 26 18:33:50 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 26 18:35:13 <freemangordon> what is weird is that es2_gears work
Nov 26 18:38:41 <Wizzup> freemangordon: and eglinfo ?
Nov 26 18:38:57 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: good luck!
Nov 26 18:39:56 <freemangordon> Wizzup: no eglinfo here, only es2_info
Nov 26 18:41:00 <Wizzup> can I execute hardfp binaries on the n900, or will that just not work because of libc and such?
Nov 26 18:41:30 <freemangordon> Wizzup: in maemo?
Nov 26 18:41:41 <Wizzup> yeah
Nov 26 18:41:46 <freemangordon> hardly
Nov 26 18:41:48 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 26 18:42:10 <xes> #Maintenance Update: we are still alive ;)
Nov 26 18:42:11 <Wizzup> oh, hang on, I didn't update the tar well.
Nov 26 18:42:20 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: really?
Nov 26 18:42:29 <DocScrutinizer05> 5 min ago "no connection"
Nov 26 18:43:08 <warfare> DocScrutinizer05: alive as in "the hardware is working" 
Nov 26 18:43:17 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah :-)
Nov 26 18:43:21 <DocScrutinizer05> great!
Nov 26 18:43:26 <Wizzup> freemangordon: https://wizzup.org/mesa-progs.tar.bz2 contains recent mesa-tools
Nov 26 18:43:48 <Wizzup> mine says:
Nov 26 18:43:48 <Wizzup> $ es2_info  | grep RENDER
Nov 26 18:43:48 <Wizzup> libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate
Nov 26 18:43:48 <Wizzup> GL_RENDERER: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.7, 128 bits)
Nov 26 18:44:04 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 26 18:44:07 <Wizzup> so: llvmpipe can do opengles2
Nov 26 18:44:09 <freemangordon> will test later, gtg now
Nov 26 18:44:10 <freemangordon> night
Nov 26 18:44:12 <Wizzup> ack :) 
Nov 26 18:44:13 <Wizzup> ttyl
Nov 26 18:45:16 <DocScrutinizer05> since only x-fade has +f ( :-/ ) would you please ping me as soon as any news re servers and /topic ?
Nov 26 18:45:23 <DocScrutinizer05> or wait, even simpler
Nov 26 18:46:30 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway maybe pinging me is simpler, I got the full history of topic in buffer
Nov 26 18:46:46 <DocScrutinizer05> a matter of seconds to restore previous versions
Nov 26 19:07:50 <Wizzup> freemangordon: when you get back, I presume you built the u-boot according to this page - http://linux-sunxi.org/ET_Q8_V2.0 ?
Nov 26 19:08:50 <Wizzup> also wondering if the tablet will boot from sd by default, I guess it should, if they used mmc0 for the sd card
Nov 26 19:10:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup: still depends on hw setting of BOOTP[5:0](?)
Nov 26 19:11:37 <DocScrutinizer05> there's quite a number of options to select from, there
Nov 26 19:12:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 will boot from mmc0 only if there's no working xloader in NAND
Nov 26 19:13:28 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer05: talking about some allwinner tablet
Nov 26 19:13:35 <Wizzup> (that we will use for hildon porting
Nov 26 19:13:36 <Wizzup> )
Nov 26 19:17:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I know
Nov 26 19:17:29 <DocScrutinizer05> though I'm not aware this is another CPU, so nevernind
Nov 26 19:17:41 <Wizzup> the typical boot order for allwinner is something like mmc0,nand,mmc2,spi-flash or something
Nov 26 19:17:51 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah, ok
Nov 26 19:17:53 <Wizzup> I just wonder what slot the sd card is hooked up to (mmc0 or mmc2)
Nov 26 19:19:33 * DocScrutinizer05 sentimentally thinks back to "porting maemo to other devices? No way, noob!" - we should have been less arrogant ;-)
Nov 26 19:21:22 <gry> ~down
Nov 26 19:21:23 <infobot> it has been said that down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page
Nov 26 19:21:36 <gry> ok
Nov 26 19:22:52 <DocScrutinizer05> gry: service is hoz
Nov 26 19:22:55 <DocScrutinizer05> hot*
Nov 26 19:23:26 <DocScrutinizer05> [2016-11-26 Sat 19:42:10] <xes> #Maintenance Update: we are still alive ;)
Nov 26 19:26:22 <gry> aha
Nov 26 19:30:17 <DocScrutinizer05> gry: warfare is just giving a helping hand to the hardware in datacenter
Nov 26 19:33:10 <gry> sounds good.. pics please, would be lovely to see the hardware itself :)
Nov 26 19:34:54 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: ^^^ :-D
Nov 26 19:40:52 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: how far were your XEN updates when blade-b went south?
Nov 26 19:43:33 <DocScrutinizer05> gry: I'm afraid it might already be too late, I guess warfare accomplished the hardware related part
Nov 26 19:47:16 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: both blades are up and running. Blade-b has already received the updates of last week, blade-a is one week behind and will need another reboot. Now I'm importing the blade-b VMs into the new Xen 4.6 hypervisor and fixing what need to be retouched
Nov 26 19:52:55 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: warfare: many many thanks!
Nov 26 20:09:01 <DocScrutinizer05> lol!  https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1427
Nov 26 20:12:00 <parazyd> !#$@ i hate debian package layout/system
Nov 26 20:14:12 <enyc> parazyd: howso/whyso?
Nov 26 20:14:15 <Android_808> lol
Nov 26 20:14:26 <parazyd> enyc: it's annoying and bloated
Nov 26 20:16:54 <parazyd> why can't it be more like alpine/gentoo/arch
Nov 26 20:19:25 <bencoh> meh, tomato/tomaydo :)
Nov 26 20:21:38 <parazyd> freemangordon: Wizzup: building mesa now... could take a while, since non-native
Nov 26 20:21:52 * parazyd also hopes he got the flags correct
Nov 26 20:25:23 <Android_808> freemangordon: hildon-desktop - new commit.  hildon-status-menu - updated to use hildon-3.  status-menu-applet-profiles - finally commited gtk3 port.  Won't build without osso-profiles-l10n-public though.
Nov 26 20:35:44 <DocScrutinizer05> l10n  ouch! The one package where Nokia has copyright issues with their own translators or whatever been the reason for this mess
Nov 26 20:36:10 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
Nov 26 20:37:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I *think* timeless provided alternatives, prolly in sourcecode
Nov 26 20:37:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, maybe I'm mixing that with i18n
Nov 26 20:40:39 <parazyd> omg, copyrighting translations
Nov 26 20:42:14 <enyc> parazyd: whats does the extra bloat implement featurewise?
Nov 26 20:42:36 <parazyd> enyc: i really don't know. have you seen what debian source packages look like?
Nov 26 20:43:03 <Android_808> well, it built before so I'll see what happens if I just remove the build-dep
Nov 26 20:44:55 <enyc> parazyd: very varied
Nov 26 20:45:08 <enyc> parazyd: debian/ directory added to (whatever) source package
Nov 26 20:45:13 <parazyd> yeah
Nov 26 20:45:30 <enyc> parazyd: lots of debhelper variants and options possible, big history to this =))
Nov 26 20:45:32 <parazyd> in my book, a single file always wins over that directory which is full of stuff
Nov 26 20:45:54 <parazyd> very complicated as well
Nov 26 20:47:29 <DocScrutinizer05> there are pros and downsides for each approach. See the increasing number of /etc/*.d/* for example
Nov 26 20:47:57 <parazyd> DocScrutinizer05: what does .d have to do with that?
Nov 26 20:48:38 <DocScrutinizer05> editing a small file dedicated exclusively to one purpose,  on a zoo of files - way simpler than doing same in one large file that concatenates all that stuff
Nov 26 20:49:19 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g. /etc/crontab vs /etc/cron.d/*
Nov 26 20:49:33 <parazyd> i wouldn't compare it like that though
Nov 26 20:49:53 <DocScrutinizer05> for the latter cp, mv, rm, are sufficient, for the former you need nifty sed jobs
Nov 26 20:49:55 <parazyd> i'm just comparing it to other (binary) package managers
Nov 26 20:53:16 <DocScrutinizer05> nevermind my rant though, i'm a) not competent regarding debian (or any) packages, and b) I actually find the apt and friends tools rather complicated
Nov 26 20:54:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I however like to have a look into *.deb or whatever they're named, by simply opening them in an archiver like Ark or even in mc
Nov 26 21:02:16 <freemangordon> Wizzup: well, I just did git clone, make $some_config and then make
Nov 26 21:02:30 <freemangordon> Android_808: ok, going to pull
Nov 26 21:04:24 <Android_808> I was wrong about the l10n deb, its a depend not a build depend.  I've replaced my Mer profiled now but somewhere along the way I've lost my status-menu actually displaying anything in the drop down menu :(
Nov 26 21:04:24 <Wizzup> freemangordon: right, so the q8 defconfig as on the wiki
Nov 26 21:04:34 <Wizzup> and the kernel I guess is just v7defconfig, or sunxi defconfig?
Nov 26 21:04:41 <freemangordon> most probably, can't remember
Nov 26 21:04:52 <freemangordon> sunxi_defconfig
Nov 26 21:04:54 <Wizzup> freemangordon: and it auto boots from sd card due to boot prio?
Nov 26 21:05:06 <freemangordon> I am booting through fel
Nov 26 21:05:11 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 26 21:05:16 <Wizzup> with sdcard as rootfs
Nov 26 21:05:32 <freemangordon> remember to enable USB OTG, TS,  etc
Nov 26 21:05:39 <freemangordon> not enable in sunxi_defconfig
Nov 26 21:06:10 <Wizzup> mainline kernel I presume. and for u-boot, I guess q8_a33_tablet_1024x600_defconfig
Nov 26 21:06:15 <freemangordon> also, for wifi I had to find out-of-tree driver, my tablet is with some weird RTL chip
Nov 26 21:06:21 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 26 21:06:33 <freemangordon> Wizzup: lemme see if I can find which config I used
Nov 26 21:06:42 <parazyd> Wizzup: would you mind taking notes of the kernel build?
Nov 26 21:06:51 <parazyd> Wizzup: i can include the tablet as a board in arm-sdk then
Nov 26 21:07:04 <Wizzup> parazyd: yeah, although I presume I'll be doing kernel boards more often, and it's not a super-easy to get tablet I think
Nov 26 21:07:24 <parazyd> what do you mean?
Nov 26 21:07:49 <parazyd> i'm only providing a minimal rootfs for now, not worrying with X yet
Nov 26 21:07:49 <freemangordon> Wizzup: "make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- q8_a33_tablet_1024x600_defconfig"
Nov 26 21:07:53 <Wizzup> that I can also document it a bit later, but I'll keep track of it, but it mostly seems simple
Nov 26 21:08:02 <Wizzup> freemangordon: ack, I am arm native so don't need the cross compile
Nov 26 21:08:03 <Wizzup> thanks!
Nov 26 21:08:07 <Wizzup> Let's see how far I can get
Nov 26 21:08:25 <freemangordon> Wizzup: better try with fel first IMO
Nov 26 21:08:31 <parazyd> Wizzup: yep i guess it's mostly like all other allwinner stuff
Nov 26 21:08:31 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 26 21:08:37 <Wizzup> I figured out what button the fel mode is
Nov 26 21:08:37 <NotKit> what's needed for x86_64 build in case of Intel tablet?
Nov 26 21:08:52 <Wizzup> parazyd: it seems identical to most allwinner stuff, except that I didn't try lcd screens before on allwinner
Nov 26 21:09:02 <Wizzup> but I guess if they connected the lcd pins correctly, few things could go wrong
Nov 26 21:09:02 <freemangordon> Wizzup: sudo ../sunxi-tools/sunxi-fel -v -p uboot u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin write 0x46000000 zImage write 0x49000000 sun8i-a33-q8-tablet.dtb write 0x43100000 boot.scr
Nov 26 21:09:04 <Wizzup> (famous last words)
Nov 26 21:09:10 <Wizzup> thanks! that *is* useful
Nov 26 21:09:11 <parazyd> :D
Nov 26 21:09:31 <freemangordon> NotKit: build of what?
Nov 26 21:10:05 <parazyd> Wizzup: try sun8i_defconfig instead of sunxi_defconfig for the kernel then
Nov 26 21:10:34 <freemangordon> Wizzup: actually ^^^ might be the config I am using for kernel build
Nov 26 21:10:47 <freemangordon> can't remember :)
Nov 26 21:11:07 <parazyd> well if uboot says so... :)
Nov 26 21:12:07 <NotKit> Hildon UI
Nov 26 21:14:37 <freemangordon> NotKit: the same as for ARM
Nov 26 21:14:49 <Wizzup> freemangordon: kernel 4.8 or 4.9-rc ?
Nov 26 21:14:56 <freemangordon> 4.9-rc6
Nov 26 21:14:58 <Wizzup> ack
Nov 26 21:15:20 <freemangordon> you'll need to tweak dts as well
Nov 26 21:16:12 <Wizzup> for the display, or for buttons?
Nov 26 21:16:42 <freemangordon> Wizzup: http://pastebin.com/ydYD49qw
Nov 26 21:16:55 <freemangordon> fot TS and for wifi, maybe
Nov 26 21:17:08 <Wizzup> ok, so (initially) non essential
Nov 26 21:17:41 <freemangordon> that chinese lady said she has more thing on her kernel branch, but I didn't play with it
Nov 26 21:17:47 <freemangordon> *things
Nov 26 21:18:05 <Wizzup> I recall audio and video
Nov 26 21:18:08 <freemangordon> :nod:
Nov 26 21:18:15 <Wizzup> building u-boot atm
Nov 26 21:18:25 <Wizzup> any clue if you can hard force-off your tablet? In case something hangs
Nov 26 21:18:30 <Wizzup> presumably just holding the power button...
Nov 26 21:18:38 <freemangordon> press-n-hold power button
Nov 26 21:18:47 <freemangordon> thoug, if it is in fel mode dunno
Nov 26 21:19:03 <freemangordon> but I was told those are unbrickable
Nov 26 21:19:25 <Wizzup> I opened it up, so I can always remove the battery
Nov 26 21:19:33 <freemangordon> well :)
Nov 26 21:19:37 <Wizzup> https://wizzup.org/tablet.jpg
Nov 26 21:20:14 <freemangordon> oh, the same RTL chip if i see it correctly
Nov 26 21:20:50 <parazyd> which one is it?
Nov 26 21:21:22 <freemangordon> the one with the cancer on it IMO
Nov 26 21:21:34 <freemangordon> bottom-left
Nov 26 21:21:35 <parazyd> :D
Nov 26 21:22:05 <parazyd> yeah, but is it for wireless networking?
Nov 26 21:22:17 <parazyd> so i'm wondering that model number
Nov 26 21:22:46 <freemangordon> RTL8723AS
Nov 26 21:22:57 <parazyd> thanks
Nov 26 21:22:57 <freemangordon> mine is with RTL8723BS
Nov 26 21:23:31 <freemangordon> hmm, or not
Nov 26 21:23:53 <freemangordon> it is RTL, but I am not reading the nubler very well with my aging eyes
Nov 26 21:23:57 <freemangordon> *number
Nov 26 21:25:36 <parazyd> it could be BS (no pun intended)
Nov 26 21:25:40 <parazyd> because bluetooth
Nov 26 21:26:11 <freemangordon> could be
Nov 26 21:26:40 <parazyd> no sorry i'm wrong. AS also has bluetooth
Nov 26 21:27:21 <parazyd> geez this mesa is taking forever
Nov 26 21:27:49 <freemangordon> well... no option but to wait
Nov 26 21:28:30 <Wizzup> freemangordon: silly question, would it take a long time to make a copy or your image?
Nov 26 21:29:03 <Wizzup> hm, nvm, I'll work with the sunxi people first to get info that I need
Nov 26 21:29:03 <freemangordon> Wizzup: just you what I provided back then
Nov 26 21:29:05 <Wizzup> ok
Nov 26 21:29:09 <Wizzup> great
Nov 26 21:29:10 <Wizzup> :)
Nov 26 21:29:19 <freemangordon> this is what I use
Nov 26 21:29:21 <Wizzup> cool
Nov 26 21:29:23 <freemangordon> well, almos
Nov 26 21:29:35 <freemangordon> can;t do it now, as it is mounted as / :)
Nov 26 21:29:59 <Wizzup> hehe
Nov 26 21:35:58 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/ tmo back 
Nov 26 21:36:48 <DocScrutinizer05> wiki.maemo.org back
Nov 26 21:37:21 <parazyd> yay
Nov 26 21:39:23 <DocScrutinizer05> might need yet another boot, or two, I don't know
Nov 26 21:39:58 <parazyd> doing upgrades?
Nov 26 21:40:58 <parazyd> ~down
Nov 26 21:40:58 <infobot> hmm... down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page
Nov 26 21:41:04 <parazyd> mmm
Nov 26 21:51:24 <Android_808> freemangordon: do you have correct output from profileclient -l in vm?
Nov 26 21:52:46 <freemangordon> Android_808: no idea, I am tryind to make h-d run on the tablet
Nov 26 21:53:54 <Android_808> ok.  just trying to work out what screwed up the status menu.  getting lots of "Failed to connect to socket /tmp/session_bus_socket: No such file or directory"
Nov 26 21:56:13 <freemangordon> dbus crashed?
Nov 26 22:01:19 <Android_808> no. Preventing /etc/osso-af-init/dbus-sessionbus.sh running seems to clear that one up but still haven't got profiles listed.
Nov 26 22:03:34 <freemangordon> parazyd: did it build?
Nov 26 22:05:27 <parazyd> freemangordon: it's building 3 different things (i got the source package and made it do llvmpipe)
Nov 26 22:05:31 <parazyd> i think it's now at the second one
Nov 26 22:05:47 <parazyd> sorry for the slowness, it's non-native on only two cores
Nov 26 22:06:27 <parazyd> freemangordon: what touchscreen driver are you using btw?
Nov 26 22:06:28 <freemangordon> ah, no problem
Nov 26 22:06:39 <freemangordon> upstream
Nov 26 22:06:53 <freemangordon> silead
Nov 26 22:07:25 <parazyd> ah ok. because i was mentioning that de*an tslib is bad
Nov 26 22:07:33 <parazyd> you end up needing to compile your own
Nov 26 22:08:51 <freemangordon> parazyd: i compiled the kernel anyways
Nov 26 22:09:44 <parazyd> without editing the config or yes?
Nov 26 22:10:14 <freemangordon> it is disabled by default
Nov 26 22:10:21 <freemangordon> in sunxi_defconfig
Nov 26 22:10:40 <parazyd> noted. asking because this is a good opportunity to add another board to arm-sdk :)
Nov 26 22:12:14 <freemangordon> :nod:
Nov 26 22:13:24 <Android_808> freemangordon: giving up for today.  i've been so busy building the osso-*/userland files I'm not even sure when it got broken.  if you get it running on the tablet, if would be nice if you could post a photo on tmo.
Nov 26 22:13:38 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 26 22:22:51 <Wizzup> freemangordon: got u-boot, now kernel
Nov 26 22:23:00 <freemangordon> good :)
Nov 26 22:23:05 <Wizzup> now building kernel
Nov 26 22:23:51 <Wizzup> I see no sun8i_defconfig
Nov 26 22:24:11 <Wizzup> will go for sunxi_defconfig and look at musb stuff
Nov 26 22:24:47 <DocScrutinizer05> WAAAAH musb
Nov 26 22:24:52 <Wizzup> yeah...
Nov 26 22:25:00 <parazyd> Wizzup: see a few lines up, you need to enable touchscreen support yourself
Nov 26 22:25:00 <freemangordon> yeah...
Nov 26 22:25:23 <Wizzup> I don't care about TS right now I think
Nov 26 22:25:29 <Wizzup> Just want the LCD to go up and have usb keyboard
Nov 26 22:25:34 <parazyd> :D
Nov 26 22:42:05 <Wizzup> freemangordon: got a boot.scr for me (or boot.txt so I can make the scr)
Nov 26 22:42:21 <freemangordon> sec
Nov 26 22:43:09 <freemangordon> Wizzup: 
Nov 26 22:43:12 <freemangordon> setenv bootargs  earlyprintk root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait panic=10 ${extra}
Nov 26 22:43:12 <freemangordon> bootz 0x46000000 - 0x49000000
Nov 26 22:45:34 <Wizzup> thanks!
Nov 26 22:45:40 <Wizzup> dd'ing image atm.
Nov 26 22:46:51 <parazyd> Wizzup: using the devuan n900 rootfs?
Nov 26 22:47:05 <Wizzup> dding that now
Nov 26 22:47:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ddate
Nov 26 22:47:26 <parazyd> yeah there is a script in /etc/profile.d/ you might want to remove
Nov 26 22:47:30 <parazyd> n900 keymap
Nov 26 22:47:40 <DocScrutinizer05> cmd: Today is Setting Orange, the 38th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3182
Nov 26 22:48:34 <Wizzup> parazyd: hue
Nov 26 22:51:05 * DocScrutinizer05 "hovers over the button" to restore /topic to normal
Nov 26 22:51:22 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: xes: awesome work, many many thanks!
Nov 26 22:51:32 <freemangordon> r.m.o. doesn't seem to work
Nov 26 22:51:37 <Wizzup> f	afre	
Nov 26 22:51:45 <freemangordon> could be DNS issue though
Nov 26 22:51:56 <Wizzup> freemangordon: works, got to getty
Nov 26 22:52:07 <DocScrutinizer05> WFM
Nov 26 22:52:09 <Wizzup> now I need to make sure usb works the way I want it (so I can attach a keyboard)
Nov 26 22:52:20 <Wizzup> how do you interface with the device?
Nov 26 22:52:37 <DocScrutinizer05> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/
Nov 26 22:52:43 <freemangordon> Wizzup: through sshd
Nov 26 22:53:07 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: yeah
Nov 26 22:53:15 <freemangordon> didn;t work 5 minutes ago
Nov 26 22:53:20 <freemangordon> now is ok
Nov 26 22:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> hey, i'm fast as lightning ;-P
Nov 26 22:54:19 <DocScrutinizer05> came back up [2016-11-26 Sat 23:45:02]
Nov 26 22:55:37 <DocScrutinizer05> jr@saturn:~> while ! wget -t 1 -T 5 monitor.maemo.org -O /dev/null; do :; done;  #;-)
Nov 26 22:56:10 <Wizzup> freemangordon: so over wifi
Nov 26 22:57:54 <freemangordon> yes
Nov 26 23:01:36 <Wizzup> I think I'll solder serial ;-)
Nov 26 23:01:51 <Wizzup> would be nice to get the usb to work
Nov 26 23:02:30 <freemangordon> Wizzup: just enable OTG and make sure you have at least one gadget driver built-in
Nov 26 23:03:42 <Wizzup> I had all the MUSB stuff enabled, but not USB_OTG, lol
Nov 26 23:07:50 <freemangordon> ok, enough for today, night
Nov 26 23:07:53 <xes> # Maintenance Notice: MAEMO IS UP AND RUNNING
Nov 26 23:07:54 <parazyd> o/
Nov 26 23:08:01 <parazyd> freemangordon: i'll ping you when mesa is done
Nov 26 23:08:06 <freemangordon> parazyd: ok, thanks
Nov 26 23:08:15 <parazyd> night
Nov 26 23:08:50 <Wizzup> parazyd: what hw are you building on
Nov 26 23:09:35 <parazyd> 2 core intel :/
Nov 26 23:09:50 <Wizzup> parazyd: I have a spare ODROID U2
Nov 26 23:09:55 <Wizzup> and also a spare IFC6410
Nov 26 23:10:01 <Wizzup> both are quad cores IIRC
Nov 26 23:10:03 <Wizzup> 1.7Ghz
Nov 26 23:10:05 <Wizzup> the IFC has SATA
Nov 26 23:11:04 <parazyd> i have a bananapi router i left at bridge unfortunately
Nov 26 23:11:12 <parazyd> that one's fast enough, but yeah... weekend :p
Nov 26 23:11:19 <parazyd> didn't count on doing this
Nov 26 23:11:48 <Wizzup> well, I thought you could maybe add it to the devuan build infra or whatever
Nov 26 23:12:08 <parazyd> devuan is using qemus right now
Nov 26 23:12:21 <parazyd> https://ci.devuan.org/
Nov 26 23:15:57 <Wizzup> okay
Nov 26 23:18:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal down
Nov 26 23:18:48 <infobot> "#maemo down" is ""SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page"
Nov 26 23:19:55 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, down is with 2016-11-27 00:19:08CET everything should be back to normal, after https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159
Nov 26 23:19:56 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Nov 26 23:20:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~down
Nov 26 23:20:04 <infobot> methinks down is "SERVICE DOWNTIME til 2016-11-27, see /topic, see https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159, TL;DR one blade broken, needs hardware swap. So wiki, bugs, a few more are down. | Wiki mirror at http://web.archive.org/web/20161108115528/http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page
Nov 26 23:20:27 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, #maemo down is with 2016-11-27 00:19:08CET everything should be back to normal, after https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1519159
Nov 26 23:20:28 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Nov 26 23:20:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget down
Nov 26 23:20:35 <infobot> i forgot down, DocScrutinizer05
Nov 26 23:21:41 <Wizzup> freemangordon: parazyd: what was the user+pass login
Nov 26 23:21:45 <parazyd> root:toor
Nov 26 23:21:58 <Wizzup> Yes!
Nov 26 23:21:59 <Wizzup> :)
Nov 26 23:22:03 <parazyd> :)
Nov 26 23:22:06 <Wizzup> ah
Nov 26 23:22:08 <Wizzup> it's the n900 keymap
Nov 26 23:22:09 <Wizzup> :DDDD
Nov 26 23:22:10 <Wizzup> herp
Nov 26 23:22:13 <parazyd> huehue
Nov 26 23:22:43 <Wizzup> where was that file
Nov 26 23:22:56 <parazyd> /etc/profile.d
Nov 26 23:23:04 <parazyd> n900-keymap.sh i think
Nov 26 23:29:12 <Wizzup> freemangordon: keyboard/usb works (host mode)
Nov 26 23:29:18 <Wizzup> wifi/ts can be done later :) 
Nov 26 23:32:42 <parazyd> Wizzup: how's the screen?
Nov 26 23:32:59 <Wizzup> parazyd: in what sense
Nov 26 23:33:07 <parazyd> is it okay to read console?
Nov 26 23:33:42 <Wizzup> sure
Nov 26 23:33:43 <Wizzup> worksfine
Nov 26 23:33:46 <parazyd> cool
Nov 26 23:33:47 <Wizzup> need to add X still though
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