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Nov 27 07:59:01 <KotCzarny> wizzup: keep in mind on those q8 tablets, uart is usually multiplexed with sdcard, so its either uart debug or sdcard (at least that's what i remember)
Nov 27 08:22:03 <freemangordon> parazyd: did it finish finally?
Nov 27 09:32:36 <vectis3> Hmm, I'm getting the following message on my phone in a yellow box: Unable to receive or send new messages. Device storage is full. Remove data to free memory.
Nov 27 09:32:41 <vectis3> sqlite3 el-v1.db "PRAGMA inegrity_check" = SQL error disk I/O error
Nov 27 09:33:18 <vectis3> This seems to happen every six weeks or so.
Nov 27 09:33:20 <KotCzarny> something in dmesg?
Nov 27 09:35:13 <vectis3> Can't see anything. rebooting usually clears it.
Nov 27 09:35:29 <vectis3> the error that is
Nov 27 09:49:05 <freemangordon> vectis3: did you run fsck on MyDocs and home?
Nov 27 09:59:02 <vectis3> how do I unmount /home? umount: cannotumount /home: Device or resource busy
Nov 27 09:59:25 <vectis3> *cannot umount
Nov 27 10:00:35 <KotCzarny> you cant. run rescueos or something maybe
Nov 27 10:00:54 <freemangordon> vectis3: are you on cssu?
Nov 27 10:01:35 <vectis3> The error goes if I reboot.
Nov 27 10:01:58 <freemangordon> that doesn't answer my question :)
Nov 27 10:02:43 <vectis3> lol that was an answer for KotCzarny
Nov 27 10:03:21 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: the pins are visible on the board (uart)
Nov 27 10:03:24 <KotCzarny> vectis3: but you might do the fs check anyway
Nov 27 10:04:03 <freemangordon> vectis3: another option - do a backup of your messages, rename el-v1.db to something else and reboot the phone
Nov 27 10:04:13 <freemangordon> then restore the backup
Nov 27 10:04:25 <freemangordon> but, if fs is corrupt, this won;t help much
Nov 27 10:04:55 <freemangordon> vectis3: so, is your device on cssu?
Nov 27 10:05:46 <vectis3> not sure how to check
Nov 27 10:06:04 <freemangordon> vectis3: settings->about
Nov 27 10:06:11 <freemangordon> what is SW version there?
Nov 27 10:06:52 <vectis3> 20.2010.36-2
Nov 27 10:06:56 <KotCzarny> fmg: idea new powerkey menu option: 'reboot and fsck everything'
Nov 27 10:07:15 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: on cssu fsck is done on every reboot
Nov 27 10:07:24 <freemangordon> with modern fsck
Nov 27 10:08:17 <freemangordon> vectis3: do you have "About Community SSU" icon in settings?
Nov 27 10:08:39 <KotCzarny> fmg: i meant force fsck
Nov 27 10:08:40 <freemangordon> in "General" section
Nov 27 10:08:50 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: yes, it is force fsck
Nov 27 10:09:13 <KotCzarny> o.O
Nov 27 10:09:21 <KotCzarny> on every reboot? 
Nov 27 10:09:38 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: you can check the results in /var/log/$something_fsck
Nov 27 10:09:40 <freemangordon> yes
Nov 27 10:10:01 <vectis3> fmg: no.
Nov 27 10:11:00 <freemangordon> vectis3: I'll strongly recomment to install it
Nov 27 10:11:04 <freemangordon> ~cssu
Nov 27 10:11:04 <infobot> methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Nov 27 10:11:39 <KotCzarny> fmg: that seems excessive, though if device goes down due to battery empty, its preferred. but with controlled reboot/poweroff..?
Nov 27 10:11:56 <KotCzarny> maybe set a flag 'clean shutdown' ?
Nov 27 10:12:26 <Wizzup> why not just fsck? it's inexpensive
Nov 27 10:12:59 <KotCzarny> force checking extfs could take a while
Nov 27 10:13:06 <freemangordon> Wizzup: fsck is broken in PR1.3, it does more harm than good
Nov 27 10:13:38 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: I know, but...
Nov 27 10:14:22 <freemangordon> vectis3: another option is as KotCzarny said - boot rescueos and fsck from there
Nov 27 10:14:28 <freemangordon> ~rescueos
Nov 27 10:14:29 <infobot> rescueos is, like, http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
Nov 27 10:16:15 <vectis3> ok, thanks for the suggestions.
Nov 27 10:59:02 <Wizzup> freemangordon: aha
Nov 27 11:11:34 <Wizzup> freemangordon: got a link to the out of tree wifi driver that you found?
Nov 27 11:11:41 <freemangordon> just a sec
Nov 27 11:13:10 <freemangordon> Wizzup: https://github.com/jwrdegoede/rtl8723bs.git
Nov 27 11:14:04 <KotCzarny> wizzup: http://linux-sunxi.org/Wifi#RDA
Nov 27 11:14:22 <KotCzarny> realtek too
Nov 27 11:15:11 <freemangordon> OMG, mesa build seems to package .debs
Nov 27 11:15:16 <freemangordon> I can;t believe it :)
Nov 27 11:15:41 <KotCzarny> fmg: you cat just istall radoim debs, omg!
Nov 27 11:15:45 <KotCzarny> *cat
Nov 27 11:15:48 <KotCzarny> drat.
Nov 27 11:15:52 <KotCzarny> *cant
Nov 27 11:15:56 <freemangordon> random?
Nov 27 11:15:59 <KotCzarny> my nnbbbbnnn is dirty
Nov 27 11:16:11 <freemangordon> I am building mesa on the tablet
Nov 27 11:16:27 <freemangordon> wouldn't call that random
Nov 27 11:17:29 <Wizzup> freemangordon: you mean that mesa build also makes a deb?
Nov 27 11:17:42 <freemangordon> Wizzup: I did apt-get source
Nov 27 11:17:46 <Wizzup> ah
Nov 27 11:17:53 <Wizzup> it'll still be a very old version though :( 
Nov 27 11:18:02 <freemangordon> and enabled llvmpipe in rules for armhf
Nov 27 11:18:07 <Wizzup> also, seeing that hans has that wifi driver on his github, I expect it to be merged soon :) 
Nov 27 11:18:17 <freemangordon> the same version has no probles in x86 VM
Nov 27 11:18:57 <Wizzup> alright
Nov 27 11:19:06 <Wizzup> I just meant speed/feature wise
Nov 27 11:19:07 <Wizzup> back in a bit
Nov 27 11:24:29 <jonwil> hi
Nov 27 11:24:48 <freemangordon> jonwil: hi
Nov 27 11:25:02 <jonwil> Good job finishing clockd:)
Nov 27 11:25:08 <freemangordon> :)
Nov 27 11:25:41 <jonwil> what do you plan to do next?
Nov 27 11:25:51 <freemangordon> run h-d on allwinner tablet
Nov 27 11:26:27 <KotCzarny> or in other words: run h-d on plain de*an
Nov 27 11:26:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 27 11:26:33 <freemangordon> :nod:
Nov 27 11:36:20 <jonwil> I still cant get gtfs2db to produce usable output so my plans for a public transit app on the N900 are on hold
Nov 27 11:36:40 <freemangordon> ok. h-d runs on the tablet :D
Nov 27 11:36:46 <jonwil> Although I could work on the REST API journey planner part :)
Nov 27 11:36:56 <KotCzarny> fmg: screenshot!
Nov 27 11:37:08 <KotCzarny> well, photo!
Nov 27 11:37:21 <Wizzup> 12:36 < freemangordon> ok. h-d runs on the tablet :D
Nov 27 11:37:26 <Wizzup> photo! :) 
Nov 27 11:38:59 <freemangordon> lemme copy the backgrounds first
Nov 27 11:40:36 <freemangordon> well, it is slow with sw rendering, but still
Nov 27 11:43:48 <jonwil> Do you have any further plans to reverse engineer things at this point or have you done all you plan to?
Nov 27 11:56:39 <freemangordon> jonwil: I have no plans, will do it as it comes
Nov 27 11:56:45 <jonwil> ok :)
Nov 27 12:00:43 <jonwil> finishing libcodelockui seems like it would be useful...
Nov 27 12:01:10 <jonwil> I got as far with that as I could go
Nov 27 12:01:50 <freemangordon> yeah, I might look at it 
Nov 27 12:02:22 <jonwil> I just wish I could make some progress on my coding contest entry :(
Nov 27 12:04:08 <racheta> hello
Nov 27 12:04:58 <racheta> "Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist.
Nov 27 12:05:02 <racheta> Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel."
Nov 27 12:05:12 <KotCzarny> change ip?
Nov 27 12:05:49 <racheta> tried resetting the router to change ip but seems my ISP doesn't change ip that often
Nov 27 12:06:18 <KotCzarny> and whoever had your ip before, did bad things
Nov 27 12:06:58 <KotCzarny> and not a single one, multiple
Nov 27 12:07:28 <racheta> maybe but i am suffering because of that person
Nov 27 12:07:29 <sixwheeledbeast> ~unbanip
Nov 27 12:07:30 <infobot> i guess unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here
Nov 27 12:09:57 <racheta> i've mailed techstaff with my current ip
Nov 27 12:10:11 <racheta> hoping they unban it quick
Nov 27 12:10:45 <racheta> can I change my n900's gsm band to work with LTE only sim card?
Nov 27 12:11:17 <sixwheeledbeast> N900 isn't LTE device
Nov 27 12:11:29 <sixwheeledbeast> 2g and 3g
Nov 27 12:12:03 <racheta> can I R&D changing the gsm band manually?
Nov 27 12:12:16 <KotCzarny> you can install applet
Nov 27 12:12:40 <racheta> name of applet?
Nov 27 12:12:53 <KotCzarny> "3G/2G Mode Selection Applet"
Nov 27 12:12:55 <sixwheeledbeast> techstaff will not be around immediately it may take some time to unban an IP. They may decided it's best not to unban it.
Nov 27 12:13:27 <sixwheeledbeast> You can just go into settings and change without applet
Nov 27 12:13:41 <sixwheeledbeast> Or simply set it to Dual mode.
Nov 27 12:13:45 <KotCzarny> swb, i've found applet to be quite handy
Nov 27 12:14:06 <KotCzarny> especially in bad coverage area, or when modem gets stuck a bit
Nov 27 12:14:31 <sixwheeledbeast> I use it too but if it's just for diagnoses then install may not be required.
Nov 27 12:14:59 <racheta> i want to manually change the specterum i.e. to say 1800Mhz or 850Mhz
Nov 27 12:15:22 <KotCzarny> racheta: one time or more than one?
Nov 27 12:16:45 <racheta> the sim which i want to use owns 3 bands i.e. 1800, 850, 2300Mhz so will try changing to these bands and see it gets any coverage
Nov 27 12:17:36 <KotCzarny> you can just leave it as default and it will use in dual band
Nov 27 12:18:27 <KotCzarny> (ie. select whatever it thinks is best)
Nov 27 12:19:17 <sixwheeledbeast> Leave it on Dual and it will select the ones available on your network.
Nov 27 12:20:02 <racheta> i'm inserting the sim now, hope its activated. bought about an hour ago
Nov 27 12:27:41 <racheta> seems its not activated yet
Nov 27 12:27:47 <racheta> I'll be back later
Nov 27 12:48:46 <Android_808> freemangordon: I *think* the wallpaper we had to copy is generated by hildon-home-wallpapers.  Source available, just needs porting/updating.  On the Eee (with Stretch image) at the moment so a bit limited in what I can do.  However, profileclient is working on here so I'm thinking the issue is with needing to update osso-af-startup.
Nov 27 12:49:15 <KotCzarny> fmg: where's the photo?
Nov 27 12:49:19 <freemangordon> Android_808: great!
Nov 27 12:49:36 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: I want first mali gpu running, so h-d to be acually usable
Nov 27 12:49:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 27 12:51:52 <freemangordon> quemu in SB fails, nee to reboot :(
Nov 27 13:01:21 <Android_808> fmg: with regard to h-d, we still have a few options available with it I haven't explored.  As stated elsewhere, we can't replace mx with st from gnome-shell as it relies on too much gnome.  We could however still use a stripped down version of tidy, updated to use clutter1.  libchampain/champlain/chamsomething did the same (mx>tidy>own tidy derived)
Nov 27 13:56:46 <parazyd> freemangordon: https://pub.parazyd.cf/tmp/mesa/
Nov 27 13:56:49 <parazyd> here
Nov 27 13:56:53 <parazyd> grab whatever you need :)
Nov 27 13:56:58 <parazyd> i hope i got it right
Nov 27 13:57:29 <freemangordon> parazyd: thanks, I already compiled it on-device :D
Nov 27 13:57:39 <parazyd> bah
Nov 27 13:57:44 <parazyd> i woke up too late :D
Nov 27 13:57:51 <freemangordon> with llvmpipe h-d runs, but like a snail
Nov 27 13:58:03 <KotCzarny> fmg, even with fbturbo?
Nov 27 13:58:07 <freemangordon> yes
Nov 27 13:58:19 <KotCzarny> shucks.
Nov 27 13:58:20 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: no 3d, I need mali.ko build
Nov 27 13:58:34 <KotCzarny> but that also means n900 is in trouble
Nov 27 13:59:03 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: why?
Nov 27 13:59:09 <freemangordon> we have SGX forward-portd
Nov 27 13:59:18 <KotCzarny> wow
Nov 27 13:59:18 <freemangordon> SGX kernel driver that is
Nov 27 13:59:30 <KotCzarny> any chance of mainlining it or just a patch?
Nov 27 13:59:35 <freemangordon> no chance
Nov 27 14:00:00 <KotCzarny> oh well, better than nothing then, good job
Nov 27 14:07:50 <bencoh> 15:59 < freemangordon> we have SGX forward-portd
Nov 27 14:07:58 <bencoh> "we" as in ... you and a few other guys?
Nov 27 14:08:15 <freemangordon> bencoh: we as pali's n900 tree on github
Nov 27 14:08:24 <bencoh> nice
Nov 27 14:09:16 <bencoh> what's preventing it from getting mainlined though?
Nov 27 14:09:26 <KotCzarny> binary blob?
Nov 27 14:09:41 <bencoh> in kernel? doubt it
Nov 27 14:09:42 <bencoh> (?)
Nov 27 14:10:07 <KotCzarny> just a wildguess
Nov 27 14:10:17 <Pali> binary blob in userspace
Nov 27 14:10:24 <Pali> non standard interface
Nov 27 14:10:28 <Pali> kernel <--> userspace
Nov 27 14:10:40 <Pali> dirty code, not suitable for kernel
Nov 27 14:10:45 <bencoh> huhu
Nov 27 14:11:02 <bencoh> isn't it common to all sgx customers, or at least all omap*/sgx ?
Nov 27 14:11:21 <Pali> does not matter if it is common or not
Nov 27 14:12:23 <bencoh> no I mean, the "non-standard" interface
Nov 27 14:12:50 <Pali> it is some sgx specific...
Nov 27 14:13:20 <bencoh> and people don't want it in kernel, even if it'd allow using sgx devices?
Nov 27 14:13:28 <Pali> yes
Nov 27 14:13:33 <bencoh> okay
Nov 27 14:13:40 <Pali> it does not make any sense
Nov 27 14:14:05 <Pali> it is vendor locked api without documentation
Nov 27 14:14:27 <bencoh> sure, but once it's there and there is no other way of using the chip/device...
Nov 27 14:15:02 <Pali> and there is just binary blob which can use it
Nov 27 14:15:06 <Pali> this is no go
Nov 27 14:15:20 <bencoh> I see ... okay :)
Nov 27 14:15:24 <bencoh> well, nice job anyway :)
Nov 27 18:52:41 <freemangordon> guys: http://46.249.74.23/allwinner/20161127_001.mp4
Nov 27 19:10:09 <sicelo> freemangordon: yay! looks awesome. so what OS is that? devuan?
Nov 27 19:10:47 <freemangordon> yes
Nov 27 19:12:21 <princefakhan> for some reason, chrome can't display the video
Nov 27 19:12:35 <sicelo> princefakhan: download it
Nov 27 19:13:12 <freemangordon> princefakhan: yes, download it
Nov 27 19:13:21 <princefakhan> that's what I did
Nov 27 19:13:24 <NotKit> so it can run normal desktop apps?
Nov 27 19:13:39 <freemangordon> what you see in the video is firefox in devuan
Nov 27 19:13:44 <sicelo> princefakhan: play it with a media player then, not a browser ;)
Nov 27 19:15:30 <princefakhan> so what's wrong with systemd anyway
Nov 27 19:15:39 <princefakhan> linux community seems to hate it
Nov 27 19:18:43 <NotKit> would on-screen keyboard work with non-Maemo apps?
Nov 27 19:19:01 <freemangordon> hard to say at this stage
Nov 27 19:20:22 <princefakhan> that's up to the app I believe
Nov 27 19:20:37 <KotCzarny> nope, that's up to maemo
Nov 27 19:20:48 <KotCzarny> ie. it should work automagically
Nov 27 19:21:13 <princefakhan> I wonder what he means by "non-maemo" apps
Nov 27 19:21:14 <KotCzarny> though it would probably need some tuning regarding detecting hw kb
Nov 27 19:21:35 <freemangordon> sure
Nov 27 19:59:41 <xes> freemangordon: can you share the the model type or the link of the tablet you are using? 
Nov 27 20:04:54 <KotCzarny> xes: q8 clone, a33 based
Nov 27 20:05:31 <KotCzarny> they are really almost the same hw wise (what differs usually is wifi chip and touchscreen/lcd)
Nov 27 20:08:42 <freemangordon> xes: seems to be a-star KVT49L
Nov 27 20:09:02 <freemangordon> but that shouldn't really matter, as KotCzarny said
Nov 27 20:11:08 <KotCzarny> xes: just go to aliexpress.com and search for allwinner a33, then choose whatever suits you the best
Nov 27 20:11:56 <KotCzarny> keep in mind that while its quite well supported by community, vendor does bad code/docs
Nov 27 20:17:39 <KotCzarny> one thing for sure, there is community supported mainlining process, which simply rules 
Nov 27 20:24:16 <KotCzarny> which when you think of it is a bit similar to maemo state
Nov 27 20:40:20 <Wizzup> so any A33 tablet is OK
Nov 27 20:40:38 <Wizzup> mostly
Nov 27 20:41:59 <xes> freemangordon: KotCzarny: very interesting. Let's see if i manage to find it..
Nov 27 20:58:58 <KotCzarny> if you are interested in aarch64 devel work there should be a64 based tablets sooner or later too (i guess)
Nov 27 22:35:30 <totalizator> hi guys, I'm looking for a cheapest possible e-ink pc display - any ideas?
Nov 27 22:36:40 <totalizator> and this a33 tablet - gosh - like I haven't spent too much this month already
Nov 27 22:37:52 <Wizzup> totalizator: they're like 50 euro or so
Nov 27 22:38:05 <totalizator> the tablets?
Nov 27 22:38:23 <totalizator> $35 with a free shipping :D
Nov 27 22:38:40 <Wizzup> yeah, I didn't get one from ebay, not sure about those exactly
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