**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 02 03:00:01 2016
Dec 02 03:22:14 <Vajb> Mornin'. I havfe weird problem with my n900. Even if i open kbrd device is not locked to "widescreen" and screen rotates. Also some programs behave like kbrd is not slide out. How ever kbrd is still recognized. Device unlocks when i slide it out.
Dec 02 03:22:25 <Vajb> have*
Dec 02 03:49:26 <Vajb> i can name atleast two programs so far. Opera looks like it might pop up vkbrd, but doesn't and sticky notes pop's vkbrd and with many tries accepts hwkbrd.
Dec 02 03:50:42 <Vajb> but strangest thing is that screen rotation. It never locks to widescreen mode, but rotates when i tilt the device nevertheless kbrd is slide out or not.
Dec 02 03:53:09 <DocScrutinizer05> mce config or version
Dec 02 03:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> or hildon desktop config
Dec 02 03:57:53 <Vajb> didn't touch those, but how to check?
Dec 02 03:58:28 <Vajb> i have cssu-testing. Haven't used apt nor hildon app manager in months
Dec 02 04:00:10 <Vajb> i _think_ it started yesterday after opera hang for awhile. Device was unresponsive like five minutes. And when it revived it didn't lit back light before i changed brightness settings from brightness applet
Dec 02 04:00:57 <Vajb> could there be some process which died in the process and didn't respawn cleanly?
Dec 02 04:08:13 <DocScrutinizer05> dbus
Dec 02 04:08:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~phonecontrol
Dec 02 04:08:39 <DocScrutinizer05> *cough*
Dec 02 04:08:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ping
Dec 02 04:08:53 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
Dec 02 04:10:05 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# status mce
Dec 02 04:10:06 <DocScrutinizer05> mce (start) running
Dec 02 04:10:13 <DocScrutinizer05> try stop mce
Dec 02 04:10:17 <DocScrutinizer05> start mce
Dec 02 04:10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ping
Dec 02 04:10:51 <Vajb> ok
Dec 02 04:11:21 <DocScrutinizer05> try dbus by using the dbus commands to mce in ~phonecontrol
Dec 02 04:11:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~phonecontrol
Dec 02 04:11:26 <infobot> rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Dec 02 04:11:40 <Vajb> sh stop not found, eh
Dec 02 04:12:15 <DocScrutinizer05> root
Dec 02 04:12:24 <Vajb> ah right...
Dec 02 04:12:25 <DocScrutinizer05> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternCommunicationIM"
Dec 02 04:12:49 <DocScrutinizer05> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_deactivate string:"PatternCommunicationIM
Dec 02 04:13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> even better:  dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:255 int32:1000
Dec 02 04:13:39 <Vajb> that stop/start mce did the trick
Dec 02 04:13:50 <DocScrutinizer05> k, happy it works
Dec 02 04:14:02 <Vajb> screen backlight died as with opera hang
Dec 02 04:14:31 <DocScrutinizer05> normal
Dec 02 04:14:32 <Vajb> and i had to input security code which was the case after opera too, but i forgot it.
Dec 02 04:14:40 <DocScrutinizer05> comes back on lock&unlock
Dec 02 04:15:06 <Vajb> but it works now, thx
Dec 02 04:16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> for some reason mce got upset in a starnge way
Dec 02 04:17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> it was _nod_ dead, since when it's dead no screen rotation at all
Dec 02 04:17:22 <DocScrutinizer05> not*
Dec 02 04:17:56 <DocScrutinizer05> seems something did nasty stuff to mce
Dec 02 04:19:14 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, "... with many tries..." might be dbus storm
Dec 02 04:19:38 <DocScrutinizer05> htop is your friend
Dec 02 04:19:47 <DocScrutinizer05> or top
Dec 02 04:21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> also syslog
Dec 02 04:21:36 <Vajb> i tried top but nothing seemed odd
Dec 02 04:22:23 <Vajb> but yeah somehow opera got mce to crash or stop because i had to input lockcode there too as i did now
Dec 02 04:22:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Dec 02 04:22:42 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah that explains it
Dec 02 04:23:04 <Vajb> opera is versio 11.50.14
Dec 02 04:23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> opera well might try nasty weird stuff to handle orientation and backlight and keyboard in a way not compatible with mce
Dec 02 04:25:39 <DocScrutinizer05> never heard anything like that, but opera does a lot of stuff in 'its own way'
Dec 02 04:25:58 <Vajb> yup i've noticed
Dec 02 04:26:18 <Vajb> i have two pages whichs give me instant reboot
Dec 02 04:26:26 <DocScrutinizer05> wow
Dec 02 04:26:43 <Vajb> both of them r weater services
Dec 02 04:26:52 <DocScrutinizer05> weird
Dec 02 04:26:54 <Vajb> ilmatieteenlaitos and foreca
Dec 02 04:27:02 <Vajb> weather even
Dec 02 04:27:27 <Vajb> dunno what they do or ask opera to do but result is always reboot
Dec 02 04:27:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I could see how they make opera go south, but *boot*? :-o
Dec 02 04:27:47 <DocScrutinizer05> that's nasty
Dec 02 04:29:05 <KotCzarny> o.O
Dec 02 04:33:08 <DocScrutinizer05> aah wait, when mce restarts too often, device will reboot indeed
Dec 02 04:33:26 <DocScrutinizer05> too often iirc = 3 times in one minute
Dec 02 04:35:01 <Vajb> ok so maybe that is the reason then? Opera mess with mce. Mce upsets and runs away thus device reboots.
Dec 02 04:36:06 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# /sbin/mce --version
Dec 02 04:36:07 <DocScrutinizer05> mce v1.8.127
Dec 02 04:36:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Written by David Weinehall.
Dec 02 04:36:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Copyright (C) 2004-2009 Nokia Corporation.  All rights reserved.
Dec 02 04:36:12 <DocScrutinizer05> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
Dec 02 04:36:43 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ls -l /sbin/mce; md5sum /sbin/mce
Dec 02 04:36:44 <DocScrutinizer05> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 81160 2015-04-05 16:56 /sbin/mce
Dec 02 04:36:46 <DocScrutinizer05> 1edd10407336c736c0466bbcfe2084c9  /sbin/mce
Dec 02 04:37:27 <Vajb> i have same  version
Dec 02 04:39:40 <Vajb> and same md5sum
Dec 02 04:39:53 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ps aux|grep mce|grep -v grep
Dec 02 04:39:54 <DocScrutinizer05> root       819  0.0  0.9   6232  2284 ?        S<s  Oct18   1:29 /sbin/mce --force-syslog
Dec 02 04:40:55 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ps aux|grep /sbin/syslog|grep -v grep
Dec 02 04:40:57 <DocScrutinizer05> root       716  0.0  0.2   1620   548 ?        Ss   Oct18   0:24 /sbin/syslogd -n
Dec 02 04:42:15 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes, Oct 18 is what you think :-)
Dec 02 04:42:22 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# uptime
Dec 02 04:42:24 <DocScrutinizer05>  05:41    44 Tage 17:42 an,  0 Benutzer,  Durchschnittslast: 0,10, 0,09, 0,02
Dec 02 04:47:17 <DocScrutinizer05> grep mce /var/log/syslog|less
Dec 02 04:47:21 <DocScrutinizer05> >
Dec 02 04:48:32 <DocScrutinizer05> there's also a problem with syslog and 44 days uptime ;-)
Dec 02 04:48:35 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ls -l /var/log/syslog
Dec 02 04:48:36 <DocScrutinizer05> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12473253 2016-12-02 05:38 /var/log/syslog
Dec 02 04:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# df -h /var/log/syslog
Dec 02 04:49:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf
Dec 02 04:49:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ubi0:rootfs           228M  187M   37M  84% /
Dec 02 04:51:41 <Vajb> i have 27 days of uptime, but can't recall this kind of problem even when i had 70 days uptime
Dec 02 04:54:34 <Vajb> if only there were sane alternative for opera, but main reason i like opera is that it is very fast to start
Dec 02 04:55:02 <Vajb> didn't like fennec nor qml bowser because of slow start
Dec 02 05:02:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://termbin.com/r4fx
Dec 02 05:04:26 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, if opera is "fast startup" then they must be cheating with preload
Dec 02 05:20:02 <Vajb> no idea, but difference is huge
Dec 02 05:20:57 <Vajb> also i don't like default browser spawning that "prescreen" first and real page in new window
Dec 02 05:21:28 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm yeah
Dec 02 05:21:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and indeed opera starts fast, without preload trick
Dec 02 05:22:17 <DocScrutinizer05> foreca.de didn't ever finish to load but didn't crash stuff for me
Dec 02 06:14:58 <Vajb> .fi does for me and almost instantly
Dec 02 06:15:16 <KotCzarny> maybe its too cold out there
Dec 02 06:15:18 <Vajb> and before u ask. No me device is not overclocked ;)
Dec 02 06:15:44 <Vajb> KotCzarny: should't be. Just -3 now
Dec 02 06:15:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 02 06:15:53 <Vajb> hmm +n
Dec 02 06:16:10 <KotCzarny> device is getting old, you know, old people get cold easier
Dec 02 06:16:48 <Vajb> but i have easy solution. Just add those crash sites to hosts file to prevent them loading in the first place :)
Dec 02 06:18:12 <Vajb> hmm old? It is just starting school. Or are thos dog years?
Dec 02 06:18:23 <Vajb> those*
Dec 02 06:18:24 <KotCzarny> yes, phoneyears
Dec 02 06:18:40 <Vajb> my typing with work gloves could use some practise...
Dec 02 06:18:43 <KotCzarny> imo its just like human years *10 or *15
Dec 02 06:19:32 <Vajb> yeah i guess
Dec 02 06:19:59 <Vajb> what is fastest device now? Like 2.2ghz or something?
Dec 02 06:20:17 <KotCzarny> x86 ones?
Dec 02 06:20:25 <Vajb> so if we count from there it is about 4, ah but 4 cores
Dec 02 06:21:00 <Vajb> well what ever they use in androids
Dec 02 06:23:08 <TheKit> 2.8-3.0 GHz
Dec 02 06:35:12 <Vajb> hmm that oddness is back without anything unusuall. Rotating is not locked nevertheless of kbrd being out or not.
Dec 02 06:37:01 <KotCzarny> what oddness?
Dec 02 06:56:53 <Vajb> that screen is not locked to widescreen and that vkbrd pops up even if hwkbrd is open
Dec 02 06:58:09 <KotCzarny> no new apps installed recently?
Dec 02 07:01:11 <Vajb> nope
Dec 02 07:01:22 <KotCzarny> reboot didnt help?
Dec 02 07:01:37 <Vajb> didn't reboot :)
Dec 02 07:01:46 <Vajb> i wanted to solve without
Dec 02 07:01:53 <KotCzarny> uhum
Dec 02 07:02:00 <Vajb> mce stop/start helped momentarily
Dec 02 07:02:01 <KotCzarny> latest cssu?
Dec 02 07:02:12 <Vajb> up testing flavour
Dec 02 07:03:12 <KotCzarny> run dbus monitor and log what happens after mce restart? (using tee maybe)
Dec 02 07:03:39 <KotCzarny> its noisy, so you might try to ctrl-c just after noticing problem came back
Dec 02 07:04:13 <Vajb> i was thinking of trying to disable vkbrd and re-enable to see if it does something
Dec 02 07:06:15 <Vajb> i'll try dbus monitoring after i get home. I think my boss values me working for him more than me debugging my phone :)
Dec 02 07:06:25 <KotCzarny> ;)
Dec 02 07:21:01 <Vajb> btw is mce only thing responsible for device orientation lock?
Dec 02 09:19:49 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: no, I think hildon desktop is also involved
Dec 02 09:21:22 <DocScrutinizer05> dbus-monitor is a good idea
Dec 02 09:21:29 <DocScrutinizer05> to a logfile
Dec 02 09:21:53 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly both system- and session-bus
Dec 02 09:22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> and get syslog!
Dec 02 09:22:27 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-cache search syslog
Dec 02 10:01:33 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: also check your slide magnet
Dec 02 10:06:37 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: but i it was mechanical failure then device wouldn't unlock when i slide kbrd open, right?
Dec 02 10:06:44 <Vajb> but if*
Dec 02 10:58:11 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: right
Dec 02 10:58:32 <DocScrutinizer05> also in syslog you wouldn't see a kernel logline for the switch
Dec 02 11:00:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Dec  2 06:17:28 IroN900 kernel: [34586.738189] slide (GPIO 71) is now open
Dec 02 11:00:36 <DocScrutinizer05> Dec  2 06:20:15 IroN900 kernel: [34753.980438] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed
Dec 02 11:02:44 <Vajb> ok, but my device unlocks when i slide it open. So dbus remains to be logged. I'll do that when i get home. Is there nifty command do dumb that log to file? I use mdbus2 -l
Dec 02 11:03:09 <KotCzarny> you can use  | tee /some/path/file.txt
Dec 02 11:03:16 <KotCzarny> so it will log to file and to screen
Dec 02 11:06:22 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd start with installing syslog
Dec 02 11:07:06 <DocScrutinizer05> mickey's dbus? niiiice :-D
Dec 02 11:10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't get "nifty command". what's wrong with redirection?
Dec 02 11:11:56 <DocScrutinizer05> mickey lauer wrote mdbus for openmoko :-)
Dec 02 11:12:05 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather for fso
Dec 02 11:15:48 <DocScrutinizer05> mdbus -l >>/home/user/sessiondbus.log&; mdbus -l -s >>/home/user/systemdbus.log
Dec 02 11:16:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and: jobs; kill %; kill %1; kill %23
Dec 02 11:17:06 <DocScrutinizer05> dang
Dec 02 11:17:13 <DocScrutinizer05> kill %%
Dec 02 11:17:43 <DocScrutinizer05> %
Dec 02 11:17:44 <DocScrutinizer05> %
Dec 02 11:17:49 <DocScrutinizer05> %%
Dec 02 11:17:52 <DocScrutinizer05> %%
Dec 02 11:17:58 <DocScrutinizer05> tzz
Dec 02 11:18:10 <DocScrutinizer05> 1, 2, 3, 4 % ^^^
Dec 02 11:19:15 <DocScrutinizer05> kill %% kills the most recent job
Dec 02 11:30:01 <Vajb> hmm u lost me with those kills
Dec 02 11:30:24 <KotCzarny> disregard, just redirect with pipe to tee
Dec 02 11:31:00 <Vajb> do we have it in maemo terminal?
Dec 02 11:31:16 <KotCzarny> check?
Dec 02 11:31:30 <KotCzarny> yup
Dec 02 11:31:34 <Vajb> well will do in a bit :)
Dec 02 11:33:15 <Vajb> ok noticed yet another symptom. Special character sreen is no longer popping up
Dec 02 11:34:10 <Vajb> meh i'll just copypaste that pipe
Dec 02 11:36:20 <Vajb> ok mdbus2 is running. Now i'll just wait for the problem to appear
Dec 02 11:36:31 <Vajb> i could bet it wont appear anymore
Dec 02 11:38:37 <Vajb> ok it appears like few minutes after restarting mce and mdbus2 file was empty
Dec 02 11:38:51 <KotCzarny> add 2>&1 
Dec 02 11:38:56 <KotCzarny> before pipe
Dec 02 11:39:14 <KotCzarny> might be it spits out to stderr
Dec 02 11:42:21 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: of course, kill is a shell builtin
Dec 02 11:42:46 <DocScrutinizer05> kill % kills jobs you sent to background with appending &
Dec 02 11:43:27 <Vajb> yes i know kill command, but i didn't see how it was connected to this :)
Dec 02 11:43:32 <DocScrutinizer05> kill %1 kills job #1 etc, kill %% kills the last job you started
Dec 02 11:45:35 <DocScrutinizer05> stange that logfile is empty, did you monotor both buses?
Dec 02 11:46:07 <DocScrutinizer05> also check df -h
Dec 02 11:46:41 <Vajb> im trying that 2 to 1 command that KotCzarny cave now
Dec 02 11:46:52 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry
Dec 02 11:46:55 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea
Dec 02 11:48:22 <DocScrutinizer05> mdbus -l can't be empty:
Dec 02 11:48:25 <Vajb>  mdbus2 -l 2>&1  | tee /media/mmc1/file.txt
Dec 02 11:48:26 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# mdbus2 -l
Dec 02 11:48:28 <DocScrutinizer05> [SIGNAL] org.freedesktop.DBus.NameAcquired  /org/freedesktop/DBus  org.freedesktop.DBus
Dec 02 11:48:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ( ":1.453" )
Dec 02 11:49:03 <Vajb> thats what i try now. Earlier i tried without 2 et 1
Dec 02 11:49:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ^Z; bg; cat /media/mmc1/file.txt
Dec 02 11:51:12 <DocScrutinizer05> echo testTESTtest >/media/mmc1/testfile.txt; ls -l /media/mmc1/testfile.txt; cat /media/mmc1/testfile.txt; df -h /media/mmc1/testfile.txt
Dec 02 11:52:33 <DocScrutinizer05> and finally get an idea of what's in syslog, or at least dmesg!
Dec 02 11:54:03 <DocScrutinizer05> 2>&1 does nuttin:
Dec 02 11:54:06 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# mdbus2 -l >/dev/null
Dec 02 11:54:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ^C
Dec 02 11:54:09 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# mdbus2 -l 2>/dev/null
Dec 02 11:54:11 <DocScrutinizer05> [SIGNAL] org.freedesktop.DBus.NameAcquired  /org/freedesktop/DBus  org.freedesktop.DBus
Dec 02 11:54:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ( ":1.455" )
Dec 02 11:54:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ^C
Dec 02 11:55:59 <DocScrutinizer05> quite possibly your uSD is borked
Dec 02 11:58:07 <Vajb> hmm mdbus2 -l 2>&1  | tee /media/mmc1/file.txt segfaulted. Lets see if it did anything for the file
Dec 02 11:58:12 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, check your syslog and check `ls -l /media/mmc1/`
Dec 02 11:58:25 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Dec 02 12:00:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I only see that segfaulting when either dbus (pipe) is fubar, or the logfile filesystem is fubar
Dec 02 12:01:49 <DocScrutinizer05> why don't you log to eMMC (/home/user/)?
Dec 02 12:02:05 <DocScrutinizer05> df -h !!
Dec 02 12:03:23 <Vajb> well anyways file was empty :D
Dec 02 12:03:43 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/30431797
Dec 02 12:03:48 <Vajb> but now i did just mdbus2 -l and copied that. Pastebin coming up
Dec 02 12:03:54 <KotCzarny> maybe your problems arise from out of space somewhere?
Dec 02 12:04:00 <KotCzarny> pastebin your df
Dec 02 12:04:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 02 12:04:57 <DocScrutinizer05> I told you the file cannot be empty since mdbus *always* logs own signal
Dec 02 12:06:40 <Vajb> pastebin.com/raw/k4U4ASfM
Dec 02 12:06:56 <DocScrutinizer05> also you should probably run mdbus as user "user" since it's logging session bus and I'm not all sure root's session is same as user's
Dec 02 12:07:11 <Vajb> that is mdbus2 -l running while i restart mce and open hamsterfiler and problem reappears
Dec 02 12:07:25 <Vajb> i was running it as user
Dec 02 12:07:58 <Vajb> getting to syslog bit now
Dec 02 12:08:22 <DocScrutinizer05> your uSD is FUBAR
Dec 02 12:08:51 <Vajb> KotCzarny: df told me that im using 71 percent of rootfs and that is top. mmc1 is used 70 percent
Dec 02 12:09:07 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: i have no idea what that sentence means
Dec 02 12:09:19 <KotCzarny> copy some file to /media/mmc1 ?
Dec 02 12:09:25 <DocScrutinizer05> remove your micro-SD card
Dec 02 12:09:29 <KotCzarny> just to check if it succeeds
Dec 02 12:09:54 <Vajb> ok
Dec 02 12:09:59 <DocScrutinizer05> or first do what I suggested: [2016-12-02 Fri 12:51:12] <DocScrutinizer05> echo testTESTtest >/media/mmc1/testfile.txt; ls -l /media/mmc1/testfile.txt; cat /media/mmc1/testfile.txt; df -h /media/mmc1/testfile.txt
Dec 02 12:10:48 <Vajb> works
Dec 02 12:10:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess your uSD is broken
Dec 02 12:11:04 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Dec 02 12:11:49 <DocScrutinizer05> works as in: shows a length of 12 bytes for /media/mmc1/testfile.txt and cat reüproduces "testTESTtest"?
Dec 02 12:13:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I hope you have not messed up your system with thumb binaries?
Dec 02 12:14:22 <Vajb> $ 
Dec 02 12:14:23 <Vajb> ~ $ echo testTESTtest >/media/mmc1/testfile.txt              
Dec 02 12:14:23 <Vajb> ~ $ cat /media/mmc1/testfile.txt
Dec 02 12:14:23 <Vajb> testTESTtest
Dec 02 12:14:44 <Vajb> i don't have thumb installed in this device
Dec 02 12:15:49 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, so how can `mdbus2 -l >/media/mmc1/testfile.txt` fail?
Dec 02 12:16:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I asked about binaries
Dec 02 12:16:29 <DocScrutinizer05> those could sneak in when you got thumb repo in your catalogs
Dec 02 12:16:43 <Vajb> ok let me check my catalogs
Dec 02 12:18:04 <Vajb> hmm it seems i have thumb repo, but it is not used
Dec 02 12:18:10 <DocScrutinizer05> haha
Dec 02 12:18:20 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash!
Dec 02 12:19:01 <DocScrutinizer05> if you feel ultrafancy, you can try to find the thumb binaries that sneaked in
Dec 02 12:19:16 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no clean way to identify them
Dec 02 12:20:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and the fun part is that a thumb binary makes *other* non-thumb processes segfault
Dec 02 12:21:34 <xes> :) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-02/gooligan-growing-security-hack-hits-android-users-worldwide/8087570
Dec 02 12:22:55 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Dec 02 12:23:08 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's not exactly something new, is it?
Dec 02 12:23:30 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly just hyped in context of Avalanche takedown
Dec 02 12:24:29 <xes> so far it wasn't so well organized so they never reached such numbers
Dec 02 12:25:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I changed my ER-Pro8 logging to log *all* sessions on NAT. Dang, that android device calls home often :-/
Dec 02 12:26:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I prolly should disconnect it
Dec 02 12:26:25 <DocScrutinizer05> or simply shut it off
Dec 02 12:48:05 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: of course you also could _try_ this: install a thumb-patched kernel
Dec 02 12:48:36 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's only for experts, in my book
Dec 02 13:44:28 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: i think i'll pass thumb kernel :)
Dec 02 13:44:50 <Vajb> installed syslogd and am collecting data there
Dec 02 13:44:57 <KotCzarny> why? powerkernel is thumb enabled
Dec 02 13:45:13 <Vajb> i have power kernel
Dec 02 13:53:16 <Vajb> i also installed htop. Few items r in hours, but they r the same as in top. Like xorg and pulse
Dec 02 13:53:23 <Vajb> also messagebus
Dec 02 14:29:21 <Vajb> Dec  2 15:55:11 Nokia-N900 mce[7270]: Cannot open `/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable' for writing; Permission denied
Dec 02 14:29:43 <KotCzarny> that doesnt matter i guess
Dec 02 14:29:56 <KotCzarny> its a media player blocking system from fiddling with focus button
Dec 02 14:30:18 <KotCzarny> so you can use focus button even with screen locked
Dec 02 14:30:49 <Vajb> yes i thought they r related
Dec 02 14:31:07 <Vajb> that was only mce related entry on syslog in two hours
Dec 02 14:32:13 <Vajb> also there r lots of glib-critical msgs
Dec 02 14:32:58 <Vajb> also slide open and closed r present so i guess that definitely rules out slider magner
Dec 02 14:33:09 <Vajb> magnet
Dec 02 14:41:30 <Vajb> timeshop[7310]: GLIB DEBUG mafw-dbus - send: [method] com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer: com.nokia.mafw.renderer.stop()
Dec 02 14:57:36 <vectis3> Is there a way that I can get a micro sd card reader to work directly in the usb port on an N8*0? It doesn't draw much power but the device has MaxPower set at 200mA.
Dec 02 14:57:57 <KotCzarny> just buy bigger sd card
Dec 02 14:58:16 <KotCzarny> n800 has 2 full size slots
Dec 02 14:58:28 <vectis3> I have n810
Dec 02 14:58:30 <KotCzarny> if you put big sd card in internal one, you have second free to use
Dec 02 14:58:34 <KotCzarny> i pity you :P
Dec 02 14:58:41 <vectis3> why?
Dec 02 14:58:47 <KotCzarny> 2 full size slots baby
Dec 02 14:59:02 <vectis3> 200gb card in device
Dec 02 14:59:14 <KotCzarny> 2x200gb cards in device? ;)
Dec 02 14:59:30 <vectis3> n810 has only 1 slot
Dec 02 14:59:34 <KotCzarny> i know
Dec 02 14:59:47 <vectis3> I have a hub that has MaxPower set at 100mA and I can plug the card reader into that and It works without any issues (without adding any additional power to the hub)
Dec 02 15:00:04 <KotCzarny> does n8x0 support host mode?
Dec 02 15:00:08 <KotCzarny> reliably?
Dec 02 15:00:28 <KotCzarny> last time i have tried it, i was getting device reboots
Dec 02 15:00:29 <vectis3> I believe so
Dec 02 15:01:03 <vectis3> I've tried: "echo -n 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1/bConfigurationValue" once and somehow got it to work, but now I can't reproduce it.
Dec 02 15:05:39 <vectis3> Is MaxPower set in the kernel?
Dec 02 16:00:32 <freemangordon> hi!
Dec 02 16:00:46 <MoeIcenowy> hi ;-)
Dec 02 16:00:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 02 16:00:54 <freemangordon> so, clone h-d from https://github.com/android-808/hildon-desktop/tree/clutter_1x
Dec 02 16:01:13 <KotCzarny> and make notes for futre h-d'ers ;)
Dec 02 16:01:21 <freemangordon> then start pulling the dependencies from https://github.com/fremantle-gtk3?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=osso-sys&type=&language=
Dec 02 16:01:25 <freemangordon> oops
Dec 02 16:01:39 <freemangordon> from here https://github.com/fremantle-gtk3
Dec 02 16:02:14 <freemangordon> youl'' need to pull libhildon3, libmatchbox2 and libhildon from https://github.com/android-808?tab=repositories
Dec 02 16:02:37 <MoeIcenowy> I built a hildon-desktop on my PC several hours ago...
Dec 02 16:02:55 <MoeIcenowy> but when I run it, it gives me a black screen with a pink left-top button
Dec 02 16:02:56 <freemangordon> not libhildon, but libhildondesktop3
Dec 02 16:03:01 <freemangordon> aah
Dec 02 16:03:10 <MoeIcenowy> maybe lack of a theme?
Dec 02 16:03:15 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: this is expected, a kind of
Dec 02 16:03:18 <freemangordon> yes, lack of theme
Dec 02 16:03:21 <freemangordon> ~repos
Dec 02 16:03:21 <infobot> from memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos
Dec 02 16:03:26 <freemangordon> hmm
Dec 02 16:03:30 <freemangordon> just a sec
Dec 02 16:03:33 <MoeIcenowy> should I check out the theme from my N900?
Dec 02 16:04:06 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/nokia-binaries/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/h/hildon-theme-alpha/
Dec 02 16:04:17 <MoeIcenowy> nokia-binary...
Dec 02 16:04:20 <freemangordon> this is the theme, you have to install it with --force-all
Dec 02 16:04:46 <MoeIcenowy> I will try to extract and copy it, as my distro is not debian-based
Dec 02 16:05:04 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: also, you need to create 2 symlinks
Dec 02 16:05:25 <MoeIcenowy> alpha -> /usr/share/theme/default ?
Dec 02 16:05:41 <freemangordon> /usr/share/themes/default -> alpha
Dec 02 16:06:09 <freemangordon> and /etc/hildon/theme -> /usr/share/themes/default
Dec 02 16:07:08 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: keep in mind that this h-d "fork" is broken in several axpects
Dec 02 16:07:15 <freemangordon> *aspects
Dec 02 16:07:18 <MoeIcenowy> ?
Dec 02 16:07:42 <freemangordon> task navigator is broken, there is some problem with application focus, etc
Dec 02 16:08:54 <MoeIcenowy> how to get the wallpaper?
Dec 02 16:09:01 <freemangordon> that is why we started porting to gkt3 from scratch a couple of days ago, see the thread from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1519591&postcount=69
Dec 02 16:09:08 <MoeIcenowy> I saw it try to read /home/icenowy/.backgrounds/background-*.pvr
Dec 02 16:09:10 <freemangordon> copy backgrounds folder from your n900
Dec 02 16:09:18 <MoeIcenowy> ah-oh
Dec 02 16:09:21 <freemangordon> it actually wants pngs
Dec 02 16:09:31 <freemangordon> it is in /home/user/
Dec 02 16:10:16 <MoeIcenowy> it them different pages' wallpaper?
Dec 02 16:10:40 <freemangordon> hmm?
Dec 02 16:10:45 <freemangordon> can't parse
Dec 02 16:10:59 <MoeIcenowy> maybe I should say "different view"
Dec 02 16:11:16 <freemangordon> sorry, stil can;t get the question
Dec 02 16:12:12 <freemangordon> but, just copy .backgrounds folder from your n900 to the home directory of the user you run h-d as
Dec 02 16:13:20 <MoeIcenowy> thx, saw it ;-)
Dec 02 16:14:39 <KotCzarny> she asks if it will be those multi page wallpapers, scrollable
Dec 02 16:14:46 <freemangordon> aah
Dec 02 16:14:53 <freemangordon> yes, there should be
Dec 02 16:15:10 <MoeIcenowy> ok got how the wallpaper works
Dec 02 16:16:43 <MoeIcenowy> and will you make h-d a desktop environment that suits every distro? ;-)
Dec 02 16:17:23 <freemangordon> this is what we try to do, though it is a distro by itself I guess
Dec 02 16:17:52 <freemangordon> h-d is not exactly a desktop pc environment :)
Dec 02 16:17:58 <MoeIcenowy> I want to pack it up for my distro ;-(
Dec 02 16:18:03 <MoeIcenowy> s/ ;-(/ ;-)
Dec 02 16:18:15 <freemangordon> well, it is debian based
Dec 02 16:19:00 <freemangordon> but once we have it fully working on de**an, I don;t see why it couldn;t be ported to other distrox
Dec 02 16:19:07 <freemangordon> *distros
Dec 02 16:19:16 <MoeIcenowy> de**an? you care also devuan?
Dec 02 16:19:32 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: all my tests so far are on devuan ;)
Dec 02 16:19:45 <MoeIcenowy> oh
Dec 02 16:19:57 <freemangordon> and btw you can build devuan image for n900
Dec 02 16:20:21 <freemangordon> see https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk
Dec 02 16:21:11 <MoeIcenowy> how do h-d acquire the applications list?
Dec 02 16:21:31 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: /usr/share/applications/hildon iirc
Dec 02 16:21:33 <MoeIcenowy> on my testing environment it has only a tana_ap_user_guide
Dec 02 16:21:39 <MoeIcenowy> oh it needs a subdir...
Dec 02 16:21:39 <freemangordon> yeah
Dec 02 16:21:49 <freemangordon> not 100% sure though
Dec 02 16:22:10 <freemangordon> but you can always export DISPLAY and start whatever you want from the shell
Dec 02 16:22:31 <KotCzarny> freemangordon: cant it suck the window names from DE ?
Dec 02 16:22:57 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: from DE? it *IS* DE
Dec 02 16:23:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 02 16:23:05 <KotCzarny> yeah
Dec 02 16:23:22 <KotCzarny> i meant from the DE standard way of acquiring window/app list
Dec 02 16:23:40 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: do you use Zephyr to run h-d on?
Dec 02 16:23:59 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: don;t know what is the standard way :)
Dec 02 16:24:21 <freemangordon> s?Zephir/Xephyr
Dec 02 16:24:24 <KotCzarny> fmg: when app creates x11 window it usually calls it with some params/env settings
Dec 02 16:24:35 <freemangordon> yevery day seems to be typo day lately
Dec 02 16:24:36 <MoeIcenowy> freemangordon: yes Xephyr.
Dec 02 16:24:56 <MoeIcenowy> and my mouse cursor seems to be eaten by h-d ;-)
Dec 02 16:25:09 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: and? do you mean are application titles visible in task navigator?
Dec 02 16:25:31 <freemangordon> or in status bar?
Dec 02 16:25:36 <KotCzarny> check: xwininfo -tree -root
Dec 02 16:25:42 <freemangordon> not now
Dec 02 16:26:01 <freemangordon> but it has window manager, so I guess it does all the stuff needed
Dec 02 16:26:14 <MoeIcenowy> and I think I need a gtk+3 plugin...
Dec 02 16:26:16 <KotCzarny> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/252906/how-to-get-the-list-of-open-windows-from-xserver
Dec 02 16:26:36 <MoeIcenowy> GNOME applications is shown very ridiculously under hildon...
Dec 02 16:27:03 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: ah, I think I get it now - yes, it takes ownership on all applications started so far on that xserver
Dec 02 16:27:12 <freemangordon> *of
Dec 02 16:27:15 <MoeIcenowy> It try to use the GNOME header bar to replace the hildon titlebar
Dec 02 16:27:26 <freemangordon> you can't, afaik
Dec 02 16:27:52 <freemangordon> title bar is build-in in h-d
Dec 02 16:28:52 <MoeIcenowy> http://img.vim-cn.com/a8/4e4448562a41bf8f77d16148033f57ea25835d.png this picture shows the situation
Dec 02 16:29:27 <freemangordon> cool :)
Dec 02 16:29:52 <MoeIcenowy> and how to deal with the Gtk menu bar is also a problem...
Dec 02 16:30:46 <MoeIcenowy> in fact, not only GNOME apps but all applications who want to draw its own titlebar may face the titlebar problem...
Dec 02 16:31:19 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: I think is what you're trying to do is similar to forcing unity to use xfce's panel
Dec 02 16:31:53 <MoeIcenowy> maybe I should say force xfce to use unity's panel ;-)
Dec 02 16:32:10 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: you can just grab a random application and expect it to behave correctly under hildon
Dec 02 16:32:14 <freemangordon> yeah
Dec 02 16:32:29 <MoeIcenowy> yes apps without headerbar works fine
Dec 02 16:32:37 <freemangordon> it needs to be "hildonized"
Dec 02 16:32:55 <freemangordon> there is a whole big doc on hildon UI
Dec 02 16:33:12 <MoeIcenowy> yes...
Dec 02 16:33:51 <MoeIcenowy> I think we should make some general toolkit automatically hildonized
Dec 02 16:33:59 <MoeIcenowy> like maemo-gtk did on real Maemo
Dec 02 16:34:02 <freemangordon> no way IMO
Dec 02 16:34:16 <MoeIcenowy> we can use gtk modules to inject into Gtk+
Dec 02 16:34:22 <KotCzarny> hmm, isnt h-d taking whole top row?
Dec 02 16:34:28 <freemangordon> unless you find 5 more guys
Dec 02 16:34:44 <KotCzarny> last time i remember available area isnt from the top of lcd, but under status bar
Dec 02 16:34:52 <freemangordon> depends if the application is fullscreen or not
Dec 02 16:35:11 <KotCzarny> and WMs have a way to enforce apps to specific allowable size
Dec 02 16:35:24 <freemangordon> in fullscreen it takes, well, the full screen area :)
Dec 02 16:36:11 <KotCzarny> ie. see fluxbox' option 'maximizeover'
Dec 02 16:36:32 <MoeIcenowy> have you used original matchbox?
Dec 02 16:36:49 <MoeIcenowy> I mean the matchbox that is now managed on yocto
Dec 02 16:38:00 <freemangordon> no
Dec 02 16:38:23 <freemangordon> do you thinks it is better to use it than the one in maemo?
Dec 02 16:39:22 <MoeIcenowy> nope
Dec 02 16:39:30 <MoeIcenowy> it's very simple
Dec 02 16:39:35 <MoeIcenowy> or I should say "too simple"
Dec 02 16:49:10 <MoeIcenowy> oh I forgot to mention that when building on newest Gtk+ and Clutter, I met lots of deprecation Werrors
Dec 02 16:49:51 <freemangordon> yeah
Dec 02 16:50:14 <freemangordon> but anyway we won;t use that code
Dec 02 16:50:18 <MoeIcenowy> so that I had to sed all configure.ac and delete -Werror
Dec 02 16:50:24 <MoeIcenowy> you will re-port it, right?
Dec 02 16:51:27 <freemangordon> yes
Dec 02 20:17:33 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: what did you mean by "we can use gtk modules to inject into Gtk+"?
Dec 02 20:22:55 <freemangordon> hmm, I think I got it
Dec 02 21:51:44 <MoeIcenowy> freemangordon: yes
Dec 02 21:58:25 <freemangordon> MoeIcenowy: do you have experience with that?
Dec 02 21:59:04 <freemangordon> as there is almost no info over the net on what is the correct way of using stuff in gtk_module_init()
Dec 02 23:13:23 <MoeIcenowy> freemangordon: no experience
Dec 02 23:13:36 <MoeIcenowy> but I know at least some project uses the modules to do hacks
Dec 02 23:15:28 <MoeIcenowy> for example, the topmenu-gtk project extracts the menubar of Gtk+ 3 programs as a global menu (like macOS)
Dec 03 02:06:19 <MoeIcenowy> freemangordon: do you know why the current h-d very easily SIGSEGV?
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