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Dec 15 03:41:57 <DocScrutinizer05> pkill9: there's never been such a thing like >>dead vibration motor in the N900<<
Dec 15 03:43:27 <mueddib> hm, pkill -9 braek my command :)
Dec 15 09:36:38 <DocScrutinizer05> https://blogs.kde.org/2011/11/13/akonadi-misconception-1-where-my-data
Dec 15 09:36:51 <DocScrutinizer05> saturn:~ # du -sh /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/
Dec 15 09:36:52 <DocScrutinizer05> 1.2G    /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/
Dec 15 09:36:56 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks
Dec 15 09:39:45 <buZz> lol
Dec 15 09:40:22 <buZz> 'dont use sqlite, we use mysql' 'mysql will corrupt your data' 'maybe postgres is better' '¯\_(ツ)_/'
Dec 15 09:40:26 <buZz> thanks, KDE
Dec 15 09:40:33 <ilew> Any shell gurus here able to remove the need for temp files in this script? http://pastebin.com/wbKp7Qrs
Dec 15 09:41:23 <KotCzarny> --no-check-certificate
Dec 15 09:41:25 <KotCzarny> he he he
Dec 15 09:41:46 <buZz> and then not grab from https:// :)
Dec 15 09:41:57 <ilew> KotCzarny: Haha that was already in cssu-state.
Dec 15 09:42:08 <KotCzarny> ilew: just mount /tmp as tmpfs
Dec 15 09:42:11 <KotCzarny> and dont worry?
Dec 15 09:43:30 <ilew> Well I won't be the only person running this I am guessing. The temp file is just used to source the variables from the subshells.
Dec 15 09:43:30 <bencoh> ilew: foo=$(cmd)
Dec 15 09:43:45 <bencoh> dunno if you really want that for large outputs though
Dec 15 09:47:06 <ilew> bencoh that could work. Can't be any worse than what I'm getting it to do now.
Dec 15 09:48:21 <bencoh> if it cant go wrong, it will ;)
Dec 15 09:48:27 <ilew> Though foo=$(cmd); $(foo); does sound like madness to me.
Dec 15 09:48:38 <bencoh> :D
Dec 15 09:49:56 <ilew> Thanks all. I'll read the chatlogs, so let me know if you think up any more ideas. See ya.
Dec 15 09:59:03 <buZz> \o
Dec 15 09:59:44 <buZz> i wonder, is 'removing play from hinge' on N810 a thing?
Dec 15 09:59:57 <buZz> mine wiggles a bit, and i think its making a poor connection
Dec 15 10:11:40 <Maxdamantus> `. <(echo "$foo")` seems a bit nicer to me.
Dec 15 10:12:52 <Maxdamantus> well, if you've already got the command that produces foo you don't need that.
Dec 15 10:12:58 <Maxdamantus> . <(cmd)
Dec 15 10:19:54 <Maxdamantus> . <(exec 3>&1 >&2; ...)
Dec 15 10:20:45 <Maxdamantus> where ... is the big bunch of while loops etc, and they should write to &3 instead of the temporary file.
Dec 15 10:21:09 <Maxdamantus> though it means standard output is redirected to standard error.
Dec 15 10:21:33 <Maxdamantus> you could work around it with some more redirections
Dec 15 10:22:12 <Maxdamantus> maybe this: . <(exec 3>&1 >&4; ...) 4>&1
Dec 15 10:24:22 <Maxdamantus> eh, not quite that; the last redirection has to happen in another subshell.
Dec 15 10:26:07 <Maxdamantus> but maybe this: exec 4>&1; . <(exec 3>&1 >&4; ...); exec 4>&-
Dec 15 10:26:50 <bencoh> this is bash-specific, btw
Dec 15 10:26:59 <bencoh> ( <() and >() )
Dec 15 10:27:12 <bencoh> (well not POSIX afaict, at least)
Dec 15 10:27:35 <Maxdamantus> well, the paste seems to mention bash.
Dec 15 10:27:48 <Maxdamantus> and yes, it's not POSIX.
Dec 15 11:37:07 <pkill9> DocScrutinizer05: what could be te issue? whent he vibrate function is activated it makes a quiet high pitched noise and doesn't vibrate
Dec 15 11:37:30 <DocScrutinizer05> blocked by debris
Dec 15 11:37:35 <bencoh> I have the same issue once upon a time
Dec 15 11:37:41 <bencoh> then I just hit it a bit
Dec 15 11:37:45 <pkill9> lol
Dec 15 11:37:51 <bencoh> s/once upon a time/from time to time/
Dec 15 11:38:03 <bencoh> it's a mechanical issue afaict
Dec 15 11:38:08 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Dec 15 11:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> clean it
Dec 15 11:38:16 <bencoh> (sadly :( )
Dec 15 11:38:27 <bencoh> that would mean opening it
Dec 15 11:38:32 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Dec 15 11:38:40 <bencoh> which I dont quite want to do
Dec 15 11:38:42 <pkill9> sadly i think it may have beena result of me opening it
Dec 15 11:38:51 <pkill9> i think it occured after i opened it up
Dec 15 11:38:52 <bencoh> not with a spare at least
Dec 15 11:38:57 <bencoh> without*
Dec 15 11:39:11 <bencoh> (hmpf brain)
Dec 15 11:39:12 <pkill9> it's actually very nicely designed for opening up
Dec 15 11:39:17 <bencoh> yeah
Dec 15 11:39:29 <bencoh> we even have service manuals, I know
Dec 15 11:39:33 <pkill9> my main concern is stripping screws
Dec 15 11:39:39 <bencoh> exactly
Dec 15 11:39:42 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: nope
Dec 15 11:39:46 <bencoh> and not breaking stuff
Dec 15 11:40:09 <buZz> nope?
Dec 15 11:40:09 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: "hinge" wiggle unrelated to any contacts
Dec 15 11:40:14 <buZz> aw ok
Dec 15 11:40:33 <DocScrutinizer05> you're talking bout the slide?
Dec 15 11:40:34 <pkill9> i should just get some spare screws, i don't know much about the specifications of screws though
Dec 15 11:40:36 <buZz> i was googling around for people that did re'tighten' the hinge on n810 , but couldnt find anyone
Dec 15 11:40:39 <buZz> yeah
Dec 15 11:40:49 <DocScrutinizer05> normal, at least for me
Dec 15 11:41:03 <buZz> couldnt even find someone that posted a 'teardown' video :P
Dec 15 11:41:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ummm
Dec 15 11:41:47 <DocScrutinizer05> it's two plastic slots sliding along two steel rails
Dec 15 11:42:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and I can rotate the display a 2 or 3 degrees against kbd now
Dec 15 11:43:03 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW hold one side while slightly sliding up/down the other
Dec 15 11:43:31 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously the plastic slots are not that tight anymore
Dec 15 11:45:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I disassembled the ting to place a screen protector *under* the frame directly on top of display. But that's been maybe 8 years ago
Dec 15 11:45:27 <DocScrutinizer05> or 7
Dec 15 11:45:32 <buZz> hmhm
Dec 15 11:45:47 <buZz> ah well, i'll dismantle and check it out
Dec 15 11:45:54 <buZz> i suspect some play could get removed
Dec 15 11:45:59 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a service maual for sure
Dec 15 11:46:04 <buZz> it seems i only have play on the right side, and not the left
Dec 15 11:46:09 <buZz> ahh, i'll go find that then
Dec 15 11:46:59 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.manualslib.com/manual/844262/Nokia-N810-Rx-44.html
Dec 15 11:47:03 <DocScrutinizer05> here you are
Dec 15 11:47:10 <buZz> sweet
Dec 15 11:47:25 <buZz> 16 pages :P 
Dec 15 11:49:12 <buZz> ah sweet, those last pages are ideal
Dec 15 11:49:25 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.manualslib.com/manual/844262/Nokia-N810-Rx-44.html?page=13#manual
Dec 15 11:49:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you see the slide mech - it's exactly same as with N900
Dec 15 11:50:27 <buZz> cool
Dec 15 11:50:44 <buZz> hmhm, i'll be getting a n900 soon :D
Dec 15 11:50:48 <buZz> my first one
Dec 15 11:50:57 <buZz> then just need the N9 and -maybe- the n950
Dec 15 11:51:03 <buZz> and i'll have all the maemos
Dec 15 11:51:11 <DocScrutinizer05> the half height mounting bracketwith the 4 screw bolts is folded around a steel rail sheet on display like (__) and holds two plastic bearings
Dec 15 11:51:31 <DocScrutinizer05> good luck with N950 ;-)
Dec 15 11:51:42 <buZz> :P
Dec 15 11:51:43 <KotCzarny> weren't you saying that you are getting n900 all the time?
Dec 15 11:51:47 <buZz> yeah i dont have high hopes
Dec 15 11:51:49 <KotCzarny> or was it someone else
Dec 15 11:51:50 <buZz> KotCzarny: not me
Dec 15 11:52:01 <buZz> i dont really like stuff with cell radios 
Dec 15 11:52:04 <KotCzarny> what will you do with it?
Dec 15 11:52:07 <buZz> but ah, well, i love collecting :P
Dec 15 11:52:12 <buZz> nothing really
Dec 15 11:52:21 <buZz> although i might join Wizzup's efforts
Dec 15 11:52:36 <Wizzup> which one?
Dec 15 11:52:46 <buZz> (to get maemo's tools ported to modern devuan)
Dec 15 11:53:20 <Wizzup> awesome
Dec 15 11:54:55 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/12/15/plasma-desktopW17764.png  
Dec 15 11:55:05 <buZz> oh, n900 is armv7 ?
Dec 15 11:55:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/12/15/plasma-desktopm17764.png  you see the black plastic 
Dec 15 11:56:12 <buZz> a bit ..
Dec 15 11:57:17 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly teflon or nylon
Dec 15 12:21:38 <KotCzarny> just got an interesting email from yahoo: http://pastebin.com/raw/bdmCT6Xt
Dec 15 12:39:43 <bencoh> buZz: targeting pyra? ;)
Dec 15 12:40:02 <buZz> well, i wouldnt be happy with systemd on pyra, no
Dec 15 12:40:21 <bencoh> no I mean, devuan-maemo on pyra
Dec 15 12:40:27 <buZz> oh, maybe
Dec 15 12:40:42 <buZz> i dont consider cellradios to be interesting or ment for human usage
Dec 15 12:40:48 <buZz> so not sure what you expect from it ;)
Dec 15 12:40:55 <bencoh> oh, really? how comes?
Dec 15 12:41:09 <buZz> phones are ment to have wires, and stuck on a desk
Dec 15 12:41:36 <buZz> i dont see a reason to pay for a service so other people could harrass me 
Dec 15 12:42:01 <bencoh> huhu I see :)
Dec 15 12:42:09 <buZz> or basically, i realized i was happier and less stressed -before- i owned a cellphone
Dec 15 12:42:10 <KotCzarny> got spam?
Dec 15 12:42:30 <bencoh> buZz: well I can always (and do often) ignore it
Dec 15 12:42:43 <bencoh> after some time you even dont pay attention to that fact
Dec 15 12:43:24 <bencoh> and you can always argue that you were working/jogging/reading/under the shower/ if people start "how comes you dont answer at the phone?"
Dec 15 12:43:26 <buZz> bencoh: you ignore the services you pay for?
Dec 15 12:43:32 <buZz> then why are you paying for it
Dec 15 12:43:41 <bencoh> being able to use it when I see fit
Dec 15 12:43:53 <bencoh> calling people, data on the go
Dec 15 12:43:55 <KotCzarny> it's handy *sometimes*
Dec 15 12:44:00 <bencoh> answering once in a while too
Dec 15 12:44:20 <buZz> i have a voicemail service
Dec 15 12:44:26 <buZz> everybody can call it 24/7 
Dec 15 12:44:28 <bencoh> actually I no longer have a landline since I moved out of my parents' so ...
Dec 15 12:44:34 <buZz> and i get a .wav in my email
Dec 15 12:44:48 <KotCzarny> in todays world we only need internet access
Dec 15 12:44:49 <buZz> 0 use for more
Dec 15 12:45:02 <KotCzarny> all other services could use it for carrier
Dec 15 12:45:20 <bencoh> buZz: well sometimes people (and I too) are willing for a realtime conversation
Dec 15 12:45:42 <buZz> bencoh: they can unlazy and just take a bus
Dec 15 12:45:52 <buZz> or bicycle
Dec 15 12:46:06 <buZz> 'instant gratification' isnt a desirable trait
Dec 15 12:46:20 <bencoh> KotCzarny: using data (best effort) for voice services is at best a waste, at worse a bad idea / no-go
Dec 15 12:47:02 <bencoh> buZz: :)
Dec 15 12:47:09 <KotCzarny> bencoh, depends, but remember, most intercontinental voice is done via data anyway
Dec 15 12:47:52 <KotCzarny> and i bet phone companies moved to data backed voice long time ago
Dec 15 12:48:11 <bencoh> depends on which part of the circuit you're talking about
Dec 15 12:48:45 <KotCzarny> all it needs is guaranteed bandwidth (for emergency calls) and some proper sheduler to allow all users' access
Dec 15 12:48:53 <KotCzarny> schdeuler
Dec 15 12:48:55 <KotCzarny> drat.
Dec 15 12:48:57 <KotCzarny> scheduler
Dec 15 12:49:41 <KotCzarny> in my country most companied do landlines by voip already
Dec 15 12:49:45 <KotCzarny> *companies
Dec 15 12:53:44 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I'm mostly talking about the phone<->infra part :)
Dec 15 12:54:23 <KotCzarny> anyway, information exchange is essential for humans
Dec 15 12:54:27 <bencoh> the rest is already not-so-relevant indeed since pretty much everyone switched to packet-oriented (vs circuit-oriented) infras
Dec 15 12:54:40 <KotCzarny> wired telephony was first long distance voice transmission
Dec 15 12:55:22 <KotCzarny> now we live in digital age, where every information can be transmitted digitally
Dec 15 13:15:48 <ShadowJK> except smells
Dec 15 13:16:13 <KotCzarny> early experiments confirmed, we dont want smells 
Dec 15 13:16:41 <ShadowJK> It would be so useful though
Dec 15 13:16:44 <ShadowJK> the technology
Dec 15 13:16:47 <KotCzarny> rrrright
Dec 15 13:17:17 <KotCzarny> 'my home smells like cat butt. oh, your computer might be virused'
Dec 15 13:17:27 <Wizzup> buZz: re: phones, I do own a mobile and I mostly don't get disturbes, but I am happy that I can disturb friends and family when it is convenient for me
Dec 15 13:17:35 <Wizzup> Where you being called by work or something?
Dec 15 13:17:44 <ShadowJK> Since it would mean having to develop a realtime and accurate analyzer, and through mass production the costs would come down.. with the availability of large datasets of smells you could do things like detect skin cancers from the smell of skin, for example
Dec 15 13:18:20 <KotCzarny> it's enough with boomboxes, you want kids on the train watch dirty youtubes?
Dec 15 13:18:36 <ShadowJK> and on the other hand, a device capable of synthesizing different smells would be able to synthesize many other things too, not quite like replicators in star trek but in that direction
Dec 15 13:19:06 <KotCzarny> there are possibilities. but negatives are much bigger
Dec 15 13:19:08 <KotCzarny> ie. toxins
Dec 15 13:19:29 <KotCzarny> remote killing? sure, we have keys for his 'puter
Dec 15 13:19:58 <ShadowJK> Every technology can be used for good and evil
Dec 15 13:20:11 <ShadowJK> Just like jpeg and goatse
Dec 15 13:23:43 <KotCzarny> what is good for goatse technology?
Dec 15 13:24:18 <ShadowJK> Example of evil use of jpeg
Dec 15 15:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Dec 15 17:53:58 <l_bratch> g
Dec 15 18:29:21 <Vajb> is good part of goatse jpeg deep glimpse in to human anatomy?
Dec 15 18:42:48 <pkill9> o_O
Dec 15 18:45:14 <CatButts> sure
Dec 15 18:45:17 <Vajb> pkill9: just picked the part of old conversation. This channel is always so sophisticated. So i wanted to bring some good old irc feeling to it
Dec 15 18:45:44 <CatButts> a stretch of the past
Dec 15 18:45:55 <CatButts> talking bout that goatsi feeling
Dec 15 18:45:57 * CatButts sings
Dec 15 18:46:39 <Vajb> maybe i reached too deep?
Dec 15 18:47:02 <KotCzarny> or from the wrong side
Dec 15 18:47:36 <Vajb> shall i turn my other cheek?
Dec 15 18:47:47 <KotCzarny> love your peers
Dec 15 18:57:50 <Vajb> u totally lost me there
Dec 15 18:57:56 <Vajb> love and peers
Dec 15 18:58:04 <Vajb> or did u mean beers?
Dec 15 18:58:33 <CatButts> definitely beers
Dec 15 18:59:10 <Vajb> makes perfect sense then
Dec 15 19:07:15 <KotCzarny> does 'peer review' rings your bell?
Dec 15 19:11:06 <Vajb> not at all, but i know the direction of poor reviews in corporation structure
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