**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 13 03:00:01 2017 Jan 13 12:12:42 Doubtful, but can the n9 seamlessly access an n900's SD card (via bluetooth)? Is a 'charger cover', a must? Jan 13 12:15:55 eMMC wear, is a concern Jan 13 12:16:38 as long you dont run 24/7 camera writing app or do any other for of constant writing its ok Jan 13 12:17:06 i'd say you should expect 1000 cycles Jan 13 12:17:54 dunno if we're exposing anything from N900 via obex (but most likely it should be possible to enable/setup) .. then on your N9 you just need a client of sorts Jan 13 12:18:38 you can install tinysmb Jan 13 12:18:41 easiest imo Jan 13 12:22:59 Thanks. Will likely pick it up next week. Jan 13 12:58:42 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/13/whatsapp-backdoor-allows-snooping-on-encrypted-messages Jan 13 13:04:21 ahahahaha Jan 13 13:04:30 se-coocoo-rity Jan 13 13:15:12 wow Jan 13 13:15:21 let me read that Jan 13 13:32:29 news at eleven... Jan 13 14:07:24 hehe. Now we just wait for the similar reveal from telegram. Jan 13 17:25:17 im noticing some wear on my device. Screen is having a little wobble when opened when closed it closes a bit too far. Like body and screen r not alligned, but screen is maybe two millimeters lower than body. Is this something to get worried over, or might there be some screw getting loose? Jan 13 17:25:50 when opened. When closed....* Jan 13 17:26:21 device in question is n900 Jan 13 17:36:47 buy n900 with broken modem but perfect chassis for dirt cheap and swap? Jan 13 17:40:04 well i have 3 of them already ;) Jan 13 17:41:14 but i was wondering if this is more like known problem or just me. Jan 13 17:51:27 it happens Jan 13 17:51:37 mechanical devices wear out too Jan 13 18:01:16 misalignment is very unusual Jan 13 18:01:59 'wobbly' not *so* much Jan 13 18:04:35 check the 4 phillips screws under battery cover (not the 2 torx holding the kbd frame) Jan 13 18:05:36 but if they're loose, they still wouldn't allow for X/Y offset, only for Z tilt and distance misadjustment Jan 13 18:07:45 thx, will do Jan 13 18:24:36 ~l1_2 Jan 13 18:24:47 ~ping Jan 13 18:25:17 the bot starts annoying me Jan 13 18:25:49 * DocScrutinizer05 needs to write a irc client script to automatically reboot the bot Jan 13 18:26:34 ~l1_2 Jan 13 18:26:35 it has been said that l1_2 is http://pdadb.net/download/nokia_n900_rx-51_service_manual_l1-l2_v1_0.pdf Jan 13 18:27:02 Vajb: ^^^ Jan 13 18:30:53 picture 6) page 12 Jan 13 18:33:26 okay Jan 13 18:34:23 also carefully follow 1) p.19! Jan 13 18:34:34 oops 2) Jan 13 18:34:45 15Ncm! Jan 13 18:34:47 max Jan 13 18:35:16 use 100% ok screwdriver of fitting size! Jan 13 18:37:56 if you have no idea what's 15Ncm, twist the screwdriver shaft (usually ~10mm diameter) between fingertips of thumb and digit finger, by "rubbing" the fingertips in opposite direction Jan 13 18:38:26 do NOT grab the complete screwdriver and turn it from your wrist Jan 13 18:41:50 and again: using a high quality 100% undamaged pristine screwdriver of matching size is vital Jan 13 18:42:54 once you found your screwdriver slips since it's wrong size or worn out, it's too late and damage to screw head done Jan 13 18:54:50 yeah i know my way around screw heads :) Jan 13 18:55:24 i use few hundreds of thousands in a year while work Jan 13 19:03:11 good :-D Jan 13 19:04:02 Vajb: then you're the right person to ask if you consider my instructions appropriate then Jan 13 19:09:41 I always feel it a tricky task to explain technically correct procedure to laymen Jan 13 19:10:23 they come up with interpretations and ideas I never had thought of Jan 13 19:11:53 well basically ur instructions were so accurate that even a monkey would have get the job done :D Jan 13 19:12:08 well that is if monkey understood speech tho Jan 13 19:12:20 :-) Jan 13 19:12:22 thanks Jan 13 19:12:41 but nowadays problems is ill fitting tips Jan 13 19:12:48 yep Jan 13 19:13:01 like we have ttip15 in use mostly Jan 13 19:13:19 particularly phillips ws spax, though no spax in size similar to PH00 I guess Jan 13 19:13:25 and sometimes they fit snuggly and sometimes not at all or they r loose Jan 13 19:13:57 err s/spax/pozidrive/ Jan 13 19:14:16 well to be honest i don't use machine screws that much, but screws for structural timber Jan 13 19:14:23 or is there PZ00 ? Jan 13 19:14:31 well phillips was shit anyways :) Jan 13 19:14:54 phillips are shit Jan 13 19:14:58 pozidrive was step to better, but real deal breaker is ttip torx Jan 13 19:15:33 if u have quality tip and screw... Jan 13 19:16:22 never even heard of ttip torx, is that torx+ ? Jan 13 19:16:47 oh it says ttip right on the tip Jan 13 19:16:48 never found a torx+ driver either Jan 13 19:17:04 it is torx head with a small hole in the middle Jan 13 19:17:16 I'm not even sure there's a difference between torx and torx+ Jan 13 19:17:23 EEEEW those Jan 13 19:17:53 don't mix it with those which need hollow tip Jan 13 19:18:09 err, I prolly just did Jan 13 19:19:12 just found TORX-TR Jan 13 19:19:52 TR==tamper resistant Jan 13 19:20:17 selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/ttap.htm Jan 13 19:20:52 oooh! interesting Jan 13 19:21:20 sorry, but official brand was ttap not torx at all. Guess i don't know the names of pieces im dealing with daily basis Jan 13 19:21:59 gonna check at monday if the tip says ttip or ttap... Jan 13 19:22:00 hehe, not unusual Jan 13 19:22:34 but those r pretty good if they fit snuggly to each other Jan 13 19:22:42 anyway nice improved plain TORX design, easier insertion but seems to be compatible to plain TX drivers Jan 13 19:23:19 yes it is, but result is very wobbly and u need two hands for the starters usually Jan 13 19:23:27 >>Authentic TTAP® combined with TORX® and TORX PLUS® Drive Systems<< Jan 13 19:23:33 while with ttap u just need the machine holding hand Jan 13 19:23:43 so what the heck *is* TORX PLUS? Jan 13 19:24:33 it seems to have different shape of head Jan 13 19:25:14 just googled it Jan 13 19:25:54 if u thing of torx as sharp ridges on circle. Torx plus is dull ridges on circle Jan 13 19:27:39 eew. iirc the screws in N900 are TX+. not TX Jan 13 19:35:06 daqmn, there's even TORX PLUS MAXX and that looks like Bristol rather than TORX Jan 13 19:36:37 http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/13/plasma-desktopf17764.png vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_wrench Jan 13 19:39:20 got disconnected while i looked at the screws, so basically got screwed by screws Jan 13 19:39:44 eh, anyways they look plain torx to me 2pcs and 4 regular phillips Jan 13 19:44:00 http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/13/plasma-desktopb17764.png Jan 13 19:44:31 actually I never faced problems using T6 driver for them Jan 13 19:45:00 despite they clearly say TORX+ 6 Jan 13 19:48:19 hmm it sure does Jan 13 19:49:09 t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtn1-NFS8Y4_VRXHmHRtMk5XNwK5-sZWSTppMTKQwgQ1HJJ0KKI9FIiw Jan 13 19:49:36 tho it doesn't look like that when looked at bad light in hotel ;) Jan 13 20:16:55 watch out to never try mount the phillips screws to the positions on kbd frame where the T6 should go, or they will come out on the outer surface! Jan 13 20:17:28 seen several devices with nasty 'warts' Jan 13 20:19:34 oh they r that much longer? Jan 13 20:20:26 i have those service manuals and i actually paged them through, but never actually open any n900 Jan 13 20:21:01 but it seems that sooner or later i have to take thisone a part because of mechanical wear Jan 13 20:21:37 yes, just so much longer you get a wart on surface Jan 13 20:21:41 buttons asdklzx and space have nearly all color gone Jan 13 20:22:20 seems i have fingers like abrasive paper Jan 13 20:22:28 to swap keymat, you only need to open the two T6 and remove kbd frame Jan 13 20:22:51 oh? Jan 13 20:22:59 the paint on keymat is pathetic Jan 13 20:23:01 no need to separate screen and body Jan 13 20:23:09 no :-) Jan 13 20:23:21 cool Jan 13 20:23:25 it's a bit fumbly but feasible Jan 13 20:23:44 i might just swap mats with that selfrebooting version Jan 13 20:23:59 hm? Jan 13 20:24:49 ooh your other device? Jan 13 20:24:56 yes, sure Jan 13 20:25:06 i have three n900. My firstone is that constantly rebooting one Jan 13 20:25:33 then this in use is my second which is stablest nokia i ever had! Jan 13 20:25:39 bootloop not fixable by reflash? Jan 13 20:26:11 and then i have third in "like a new" condition which came with original packaging! Jan 13 20:26:26 wow, rare finding nowadays Jan 13 20:26:32 no bootloop. It works but reboots occasionally Jan 13 20:26:39 ouch Jan 13 20:27:04 did you check the dsme error counters? Jan 13 20:27:05 i have thumb there, but it was like that even with cssu stable Jan 13 20:27:12 did Jan 13 20:27:35 also sent syslog to pali, but there wasn't much to tell what is wrong Jan 13 20:27:43 he suspected hw wear Jan 13 20:27:50 nothing in mtdoops and dsme logs and syslog? Jan 13 20:28:00 prolly some overclocking or such Jan 13 20:28:36 i recall seeing many camera-ui restarts atleast Jan 13 20:28:58 but it's been awhile i tried dicking in to it Jan 13 20:29:05 sure, the culprit may be whatever, but usually you have a clearly identifiable reboot *reason* whatever triggered that reason Jan 13 20:29:16 hmm probably digging... Jan 13 20:30:00 does frequent camera-ui / camdriver restarts cause reboot? Jan 13 20:30:06 not sure Jan 13 20:30:18 i think they do Jan 13 20:30:34 removing camera-ui didn't fix it :D Jan 13 20:30:51 i think that was when i moved to thumb Jan 13 20:31:06 coz i had to reflash coz of bootloop Jan 13 20:31:39 i've been lazy with it to be honest Jan 13 20:32:31 for several months i've planned to put identical system on it and test there all new apps or programs before putting them in my daily device Jan 13 20:33:01 FFS. my Iron900 sat on charger but acted_dead Jan 13 20:33:27 hell i might just as well try notorious apt-get upgrade with devel repo enabled ;) Jan 13 20:33:36 * DocScrutinizer05 was silly enough to not properly restart it when it went down with batlow the very moment it got plugged to charger Jan 13 20:34:17 oh? Jan 13 20:35:06 if i need to calibrate battery i usually wait till i see "charge battery" notify and then plug the charger before it shuts down. Is this wrong? Jan 13 20:35:31 ~calibrate Jan 13 20:35:35 ~calibration Jan 13 20:35:38 ~ping Jan 13 20:35:38 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss Jan 13 20:35:47 ~listkeys battery Jan 13 20:35:48 Factoid search of 'battery' by key (13 of 17): battery-usage ;; battery ;; batterytest ;; battery life ;; batteryfaq ;; #maemo battery ;; heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery #DEL# ;; zaurus battery ;; battery disconnect switch ;; battery damage ;; batterypatch ;; as battery acid #DEL# ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch. Jan 13 20:36:36 a two days ago I forgot to hook it up to charger when I came home. then I heard the notoriouls BILIBIBboing announcing bat low, I picked it up and plugged it to charger, but very same moment it went down with the final BILIBIB_BLIPBLIPboingBLIBBLIB Jan 13 20:37:41 oh noes i _had_ forgotten that notify sound.... Jan 13 20:37:54 AAAAWWWFUL Jan 13 20:38:09 one of the first things to disable Jan 13 20:38:15 hahahaha Jan 13 20:38:32 yeah I should replace it by something less disgusting Jan 13 20:38:40 too lazy though Jan 13 20:39:19 ugh, now a 4 concurrent rsync processes hog my PC and N900 ;-P Jan 13 20:39:37 i disabled it completely Jan 13 20:40:34 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#backup Jan 13 20:40:36 well, time to get some sleep bbl Jan 13 20:41:00 >>I probably could handle better the rare case where I'm away for >24h, but it doesn't create too much trouble, just a bit of useless wlan traffic<< yeah HAHAHA Jan 13 20:41:29 Vajb: o/ Jan 13 20:41:30 hehe did u just bit ur own leg there ;) Jan 13 20:41:55 \o Jan 13 20:43:54 yep, but it already finished, not much to rsync since device was off for a day or two Jan 13 20:46:28 so yeah, camera-ui might reboot Jan 13 20:46:31 IroN900:~# grep -R camera-ui /etc Jan 13 20:46:32 /etc/X11/Xsession.post/22camera-ui:/usr/sbin/dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui Jan 13 20:46:43 -t --start-restart= Start a process Jan 13 20:46:45 (on process exit, restart max N times, Jan 13 20:46:46 then do SW reset) Jan 13 20:48:17 sucks big time, since aiui the true culprit is inside DSP code or pther blob Jan 13 20:48:42 culprit for camera-ui segfaults/restarts **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 14 03:00:00 2017