**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 19 03:00:02 2017 Jan 19 03:01:38 why Jan 19 03:01:45 and yes Jan 19 03:02:05 Michael_a380 ^ Jan 19 03:02:38 (if that's Wikiwide) Jan 19 03:02:48 Just found her name Jan 19 03:03:00 oh ok Jan 19 03:03:20 it's on the email address anyway Jan 19 03:05:52 Can't find anything, yet. Maybe it's not worth the risk, considering the seller only wants to use Western Union. Jan 19 03:06:07 chill! Jan 19 03:07:09 Australia Jan 19 03:07:19 Too bad Jan 19 03:07:31 hmm? Jan 19 03:07:48 wut? Jan 19 03:07:56 I miss her.. :/ Jan 19 03:08:06 stop that Jan 19 03:08:12 Only been a day Jan 19 03:08:19 why it's a problem? Jan 19 03:08:29 it's beyond one day Jan 19 03:08:57 nevermind then Jan 19 03:09:17 * Juesto sighs and tries to fall asleep Jan 19 03:09:23 If only she was glued to her desk 24/7 Jan 19 03:09:42 nah Jan 19 03:10:01 :| Jan 19 03:10:29 could you please stop stalking now? Jan 19 03:10:50 i am not a stalker Jan 19 03:11:02 I feel guilty for buy an N9 last week, that she was looking at. She was gracious and let me buy it. Jan 19 03:11:07 wtf joerg Jan 19 03:11:07 *buying Jan 19 03:11:22 I'm the stalker Jan 19 03:12:05 Michael_a380: because she doesn't want to increase the collection of unused devices Jan 19 03:12:18 too many already Jan 19 03:12:36 can never have enough!! Jan 19 03:12:38 let's chill please Jan 19 03:13:00 I'm all good. Jan 19 03:13:20 ** :P Jan 19 03:14:01 Cleopatra is here, run! Jan 19 03:15:31 why Jan 19 03:15:59 OT Jan 19 03:16:06 what was that Jan 19 03:16:25 * Juesto is confused Jan 19 03:16:32 probably bipolar Jan 19 03:16:41 Hmmmmm Jan 19 03:16:47 strange Jan 19 03:16:57 no offecnce Jan 19 03:17:08 bipolar or troll then ( no offense ) Jan 19 03:17:32 stop that! Jan 19 03:17:45 * Juesto waves Jan 19 03:18:24 Has anyone here been scammed with online purchases (Western Union?)? Jan 19 03:18:50 not on IRC Jan 19 03:19:59 Sorry. This sort of chat not accepptable here? Jan 19 03:20:28 Michael_a380: yours is Jan 19 03:20:44 as of lateky# Jan 19 03:21:04 lately* Jan 19 03:21:44 I don't tolerate female users getting harrassed Jan 19 03:21:46 is everything okay DocScrutinizer05 ? :s Jan 19 03:21:52 oh Jan 19 03:22:07 I am not harassing anyone for your information Jan 19 03:22:51 this is awkward Jan 19 03:23:03 then stop it Jan 19 03:23:08 find a topic Jan 19 03:23:17 or shut up Jan 19 03:23:29 apologies Jan 19 03:23:40 is maemo worth having? Jan 19 03:23:46 yes Jan 19 03:23:56 why Jan 19 03:24:09 because I use it every day Jan 19 03:24:29 since it's somewhat extinct given it's EOL Jan 19 03:24:50 cmd: 04:24 up 86 days 13:10, 0 users, load average: 0,00, 0,01, 0,05 Jan 19 03:24:57 /cmd ssh neo900 uptime Jan 19 03:25:44 ~tell Juesto about cssu Jan 19 03:25:51 my win7 netbook I'm using right now has been up for 162 days Jan 19 03:25:56 ~tell Juesto about fptf Jan 19 03:26:10 Interesting Jan 19 03:26:28 say hello to freemangordon and parazyd and Pali Jan 19 03:26:41 how i can contribute without a device? Jan 19 03:26:50 Apologies. The topic was somewhat this post (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522219&postcount=7 , althought the 1st direct mention of it). And I was trying to contact Oksana, to see if she was interested. Jan 19 03:26:55 good question Jan 19 03:27:31 ~fptf Jan 19 03:27:31 hmm... fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Jan 19 03:27:35 ~sb Jan 19 03:27:35 somebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Jan 19 03:27:39 Michael_a380: nothing wrong, he was talking to me i guess Jan 19 03:28:17 behace! n8! Jan 19 03:28:31 'behave' even Jan 19 03:28:39 DocScrutinizer05: what about testing stuff? better a device? Jan 19 03:29:00 please rephrase Jan 19 03:29:38 for testing, should i get a device for better results or its "forced" Jan 19 03:30:14 absolutely! 'dry' practicing is boring :-) Jan 19 03:30:21 I was thinking of updating some wiki pages, but it seems impossible for newbies to find them. Jan 19 03:30:37 Michael_a380: HUH? Jan 19 03:31:01 as in it's impossible without a maemo device and just the sdk, correct? especially since SDK currently uses xephyr Jan 19 03:31:26 perhaps i can reconfigure the script to run on X directly Jan 19 03:31:27 There has been a lot of wiki pages referenced in posts, that I never would have found via navigating the site. Jan 19 03:32:03 you could develop comlplete apps on scratchbox, but the fun is way higher on real device Jan 19 03:32:27 true, apparently most stuff is buried in posts than being on a nice wiki Jan 19 03:32:32 Michael_a380: pls elaborate Jan 19 03:32:49 not a coder sadly neither scripter Jan 19 03:33:07 know a little but i don't write Jan 19 03:33:38 can help with technical support and development testing Jan 19 03:33:55 get a cheap N900 (50 €) and have nore fun than with aby raspi Jan 19 03:34:03 the former goes to the end user Jan 19 03:34:17 Argentina here :s Jan 19 03:34:27 ouch Jan 19 03:34:31 can try through Jan 19 03:35:02 contact wpwrak aka Almesberger for advice Jan 19 03:35:51 ~wiki werner almesberger Jan 19 03:35:55 At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Almesberger (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox person |name=Werner Almesberger |birth_date={{birth date and age|1967|8|13}} |birth_place = Zurich, Switzerland |occupation=Programmer |known_for=Linux Kernel, GCC |residence = Argentina |nationality = Austria |other_names=wpwrak }} 'Werner Almesberger' (born 13 August 1967) is an Austrian free software computer programmer and an open-source hardware ... Jan 19 03:36:36 LOL searching "maemo" gives me some boxers results at "MercadoLibre" Jan 19 03:36:50 ? Jan 19 03:38:26 where in .ar do you live? Jan 19 03:38:31 I'm probably just lazy with searching. I remember just recently seeing a link to joerg's wiki about ' ~post n900 flashing tips'. I wish I had that at the start. It's sad about all the complaints TMO gets, when there are so many positives. Jan 19 03:38:55 ~jrtools Jan 19 03:38:55 i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 19 03:39:09 ~lf Jan 19 03:39:10 from memory, #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Jan 19 03:39:18 http://i.imgur.com/nSWXID7.jpg Jan 19 03:39:45 failed to decode the last part, about tmo Jan 19 03:40:02 DocScrutinizer05: Buenos Aires, capital Jan 19 03:40:27 Yes, jrtools, thanks. To summarise, the problem is that I'm a noob. Jan 19 03:40:28 you can meet Werner for a beer, every day Jan 19 03:40:36 http://Mercadolibre.com.ar Jan 19 03:40:50 Interesting Jan 19 03:41:00 he *loves* beer ;-) Jan 19 03:41:08 are the others you mentioned in arg too? hmm Jan 19 03:41:21 idk actually Jan 19 03:41:31 whom else I mentioned? Jan 19 03:41:53 Above... nvm Jan 19 03:42:03 *sigh* Jan 19 03:42:35 /whois wpwrak Jan 19 03:43:03 /join neo900 Jan 19 03:43:07 even more above actually but ty anyway Jan 19 03:43:22 I'll check out tomorrow Jan 19 03:43:33 I can't sleep :/ Jan 19 03:43:36 oooh pali and fmg ? Jan 19 03:43:40 Juesto: =) i woke up early ;p Jan 19 03:43:45 yes Jan 19 03:43:53 haha nice Jan 19 03:44:05 it's midnight here Jan 19 03:44:06 they are our principal fremantle developers Jan 19 03:44:26 community, right? Jan 19 03:44:44 4:44:44 here Jan 19 03:45:35 AM Jan 19 03:45:40 or are any ex-nokia-maemo developers still working? Jan 19 03:45:56 ..and contributing Jan 19 03:46:03 CET if I wasn't in JRTZV Jan 19 03:46:24 yes, some are still around Jan 19 03:46:34 nice Jan 19 03:46:48 though not exactly 'working' Jan 19 03:47:27 nobody from the sdk stuff? because I'm looking for improving the sdk vm... Jan 19 03:47:31 * DocScrutinizer05 would count timeless as 'ex Nokia' Jan 19 03:47:54 especially xephyr maemo hildon Jan 19 03:48:14 ((looking for improving the sdk)) go ahead, ask if any questions Jan 19 03:48:33 ~sb Jan 19 03:48:34 hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Jan 19 03:49:03 ~lf Jan 19 03:49:03 i heard #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Jan 19 03:49:15 ~jrtools Jan 19 03:49:16 extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 19 03:49:21 Yes, why xephyr wouldn't run properly if i try something else besides the designated shortcut on the desktop Jan 19 03:49:24 * timeless is definitely ex-nokia Jan 19 03:49:35 why am i being counted? Jan 19 03:49:38 definitely EX ? :-D Jan 19 03:49:47 ex-maemo dev? Jan 19 03:49:52 :D Jan 19 03:50:09 timeless: sorry for highlight Jan 19 03:50:25 it's ok, it isn't even midnight yet Jan 19 03:50:37 4:50 here Jan 19 03:50:45 and almost drunk Jan 19 03:50:47 * timeless is currently fighting macOS sierra, "SIP", brew, Qt5, keepassxc, and a number of other circles of hell Jan 19 03:50:59 * timeless is mostly winning in battles w/ zabbix and certbot Jan 19 03:51:03 ouch Jan 19 03:51:08 * timeless is definitely loosing battles w/ powerdns Jan 19 03:51:15 looks overwhelming Jan 19 03:51:28 well... i'm the IT guy Jan 19 03:51:30 hope you also know about fun in lofe Jan 19 03:51:46 so i inherited a lot of systems w/ odd configurations Jan 19 03:51:48 life, even Jan 19 03:52:04 1 -- lots of certificates from random CAs w/ random price tags and random levels of validity/security Jan 19 03:52:09 solution: replace w/ letsencrypt Jan 19 03:52:18 ~tell Juesto about fptf Jan 19 03:52:19 most certs are used for https which is easy Jan 19 03:52:32 some are used for mail on accessible systems which isn't painful Jan 19 03:52:50 some are used on internal systems that aren't really friendly (hello apc appliance) Jan 19 03:52:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Jan 19 03:53:07 cute Jan 19 03:53:12 /hoin neo900 Jan 19 03:53:17 oh, amusingly the shirt i'm wearing today... Jan 19 03:53:23 /join neo900 Jan 19 03:53:28 sorry Jan 19 03:53:30 "If you're Qt, Jan 19 03:53:32 I'm open." Jan 19 03:53:44 (yesterday's shirt was a mercurial shirt) Jan 19 03:53:48 oh... today's adventure... Jan 19 03:54:05 i fought w/ osx, dnsmasq, powerdns over ipv6 Jan 19 03:54:13 https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation/updates/the-state-of-owner-controlled-computing-as-talos-winds-down?utm_source=Talos+Supporters&utm_campaign=19545976d2-talos_update_winds_down_2017_01_09&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_451951d5fa-19545976d2-112395773 Jan 19 03:54:26 a mac here did a dns lookup (ipv4) and a dns lookup (ipv6) for a name Jan 19 03:54:42 dnsmasq found the name in /etc/hosts and offered the ipv4 local-network address Jan 19 03:54:47 https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/ Jan 19 03:54:53 but it didn't have an ipv6 address, so it deferred to the public internet Jan 19 03:55:05 which then found a cname to an ipv4 public address which dnsmasq returned Jan 19 03:55:20 unfortunately, the public address wasn't expecting that traffic Jan 19 03:55:21 www.neo900.org Jan 19 03:55:27 Has anyone played splix.io ? can be a bit of a stress reliever, if there is no lag. Jan 19 03:55:35 so ~50% of the time http requests worked (going to the local computer) Jan 19 03:55:55 and ~50% of the time they failed (going to the public computer based on the AAAA lookup which found a CNAME to an A record...) Jan 19 03:56:16 technically i've still lost on this front,... since i can't figure out how to get dnsmasq not to pass the query along Jan 19 03:56:29 but i removed the CNAME, so now the only record returned is the local A ... Jan 19 03:56:57 Michael_a380: read the links I provided and you need more than that for 'stress relieve' Jan 19 03:57:49 In other words, "Grow up, Michael_a380". Jan 19 03:57:50 pr you're in wrong chan Jan 19 03:58:03 Michael_a380: hrm, i killed myself? Jan 19 03:58:50 not 'grow up', but 'WAKE UP' Jan 19 03:59:02 timeless: I get hysterical when I kill a massive guy Jan 19 03:59:24 either you're the paying customer, or you're the monetized product Jan 19 04:00:33 hystorical raisins? Jan 19 04:00:52 Going to remove a sim from an android, and put it in a newly acquired N9. Any use for the Android? Jan 19 04:01:22 hmmm good question Jan 19 04:02:06 better question: how to keep N9 (aka HARM) alive Jan 19 04:02:40 grr, no crossing self sucks Jan 19 04:02:48 ..... so just never connect it to wifi? Should probably just sell it (android). Mother wasted 220aud on it. Jan 19 04:04:50 I got a cat S60, just for eval Jan 19 04:05:11 android sucks donkey balls Jan 19 04:05:32 hrrm talk.maemo.org still missing ipv6 Jan 19 04:06:10 today I bought a VR goggle, just to learn the cat S80 is 1mm too thick Jan 19 04:06:12 timeless: another one is http://slither.io/ . Don't bother collecting the little dots, go to the center & kill the big fellas. Jan 19 04:06:48 enyc: whole maemo.org prolly missing ipv6 Jan 19 04:07:04 DocScrutinizer05: can i help with this? I'm good at that sort of thing... Jan 19 04:07:12 and tmo will be the very last to support it Jan 19 04:07:26 enyc: ask warfare Jan 19 04:07:48 timeless: both games are susceptible to a zoom hack, that many people seem to use. Jan 19 04:08:57 * which is annoying, I won't lie, I tried it once or twice. Jan 19 04:09:14 * DocScrutinizer05 waves and heads out. Juesto don't miss to have a beer with Werner! Jan 19 04:11:08 he's a particularly nice guy Jan 19 04:12:08 and how often you got a chance to meet one of linux' early architects Jan 19 04:13:02 (even when it's 'only' lilo and dos) Jan 19 04:14:05 * enyc recalls LOADLIN'ing Jan 19 04:14:15 hehehe Jan 19 04:14:36 don't know if he created that too Jan 19 04:14:43 there was a time i was using the sound-card dos-driver to turn on the PATA interface on a soundcard, then loading linux that used that for a filesystem, or something Jan 19 04:15:16 n8 folks Jan 19 04:15:32 What VR type? Obviously not facebook. Jan 19 04:17:16 * DocScrutinizer05 stares at /msg chanserv acces #maemo list in disbelief Jan 19 04:18:40 ~seen stskeeps Jan 19 04:18:47 stskeeps <~cvm@unaffiliated/stskeeps> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 771d 7h 23m 4s ago, saying: '.. i presume that was it, chem|st?'. Jan 19 04:19:16 ~seen andre__ Jan 19 04:19:16 andre__ <~andre__@wikimedia/aklapper> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 13d 16h 18m 30s ago, saying: 'I don't think that question is related to GSoC or GCI? Maybe ask in a Chrome forum or channel? :)'. Jan 19 04:19:34 ~seen dneary Jan 19 04:19:35 i haven't seen 'dneary', DocScrutinizer05 Jan 19 04:19:56 ~seen CrashandDie Jan 19 04:19:56 i haven't seen 'crashanddie', DocScrutinizer05 Jan 19 04:20:03 ~seen Waldo Jan 19 04:20:04 waldo <~Waldo@unaffiliated/wallabyjenkins-/x-8450033> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 269d 3h 29m 56s ago, saying: 'No'. Jan 19 04:20:14 ~seen X-Fade Jan 19 04:20:14 DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'x-fade' Jan 19 04:21:42 ~seen MH17 Jan 19 04:21:42 i haven't seen 'mh17', Michael_a380 Jan 19 04:34:05 Thanks for links, Doc Jan 19 04:40:28 nah DocScrutinizer05 I dont drink smoke or takie drugs Jan 19 04:41:02 so? Jan 19 04:41:08 Going to pick-up the N9 in an hour or 2. Hope the gamble was worth it and it aint stuffed. Jan 19 04:42:05 just saying Jan 19 04:43:21 Juesto: me too :) .... or maybe in Doc's eyes: :( Jan 19 04:43:59 stop using me as an excuse for lacks in your life! Jan 19 04:44:10 lel Jan 19 04:44:57 I'm not. And I'm not going to bring up Hitler, either. Jan 19 04:45:03 *sigh* i hope i scrollback doesn't go over (hoping not much talking here) Jan 19 04:45:11 I'm telling you about solcialicing opportunities. If you feel like an eremite... not my problem Jan 19 04:45:17 hope that was not too far, (joke) Jan 19 04:45:49 maybe i should enable conference mode in chatzilla, max 600 of temporal lines Jan 19 04:46:29 My Uncle was pretty irate when I would not drink with him :( Jan 19 04:46:33 gah I'll just pull this from irclog Jan 19 04:46:59 maybe U should stop worrying about other peoples' problems Jan 19 04:47:04 *I* Jan 19 04:47:33 I don't see any problems. Jan 19 04:47:59 oh Jan 19 04:48:26 Yeah, you care too much, Doc. Jan 19 04:48:45 I see people telling me about their DOs and DONTs, and that's of course a problems making this 'convo' happen Jan 19 04:48:47 :p Jan 19 04:51:37 hell, I'm like a few 1000 miles away from buenos aires, and when I twll two people they live mayve a 10km max apart from each other, ... why the heck I'm doing that?! Jan 19 04:52:20 prolly my stocks will skyrocket Jan 19 07:50:15 * timeless sighs Jan 19 07:50:48 so, the galaxy nexus i'm using spontaneously reboots -- i think the cellular stack is crashing -- when it comes back, i don't seem to have cellular data -- rebooting again fixes that Jan 19 07:51:12 my blackberry passport doesn't like the idea of charging when it's plugged in, and likes the idea of showing a charging icon when it isn't plugged in Jan 19 07:51:25 the passport behavior reminds me of the "good old days" @nokia :-( Jan 19 07:54:32 reflash? ;) Jan 19 08:16:59 the passport problem is the classic "usb port is dying" Jan 19 08:17:26 kinda happy to hear n900 isnt the only one with the problem Jan 19 08:17:44 enyc: IPv6 is something I want to tackle this year, at least for the webservers. Need to talk to our provider, but this shouldn't be an issue. Jan 19 08:17:52 having lost at least one usb port on an n900... Jan 19 08:18:05 the nexus ... well... fixing the cellular side of things wasn't easy for non corporate users iirc Jan 19 08:25:37 ncmpc <3 Jan 19 08:25:48 (woops, nevermind, lost in backlog) Jan 19 08:30:36 * Maxdamantus usually uses qmpc on N900, but sometimes uses ncmpc for better playlist manipulation. Jan 19 09:40:00 warfare: yes, start asking the question now at least, gauge quality of response Jan 19 09:40:16 warfare: be wary of being the ''first'' ipv6 customer sort of scenario Jan 19 09:40:34 enyc: IPHH has v6 all over the place. :) Jan 19 09:40:46 enyc: host iphh.net Jan 19 09:40:59 warfare: =) Jan 19 09:41:53 enyc: Actually it's just a matter of "Get 2 /64's, get it routed and configure firewalling. Jan 19 09:42:17 warfare: but what about reverse dns? critical if sending outgoing emails in particular Jan 19 09:42:56 enyc: I send them the zonefile for the reverse lookups. IPHH is pretty hands-on about this. Jan 19 09:43:04 okies Jan 19 09:43:18 in which case matching ipv4 static addressing with similar ipv6 static addressing may be best approach//plan Jan 19 09:43:24 with ipv6 static gatewaying Jan 19 09:43:59 SLAAC is always a bad idea for server networks :) Jan 19 09:44:04 (unless the ipv4 scenario is a 'messy crunch' and there is good reason to spread out in ipv6, treating ipv4 as legacy access only) Jan 19 09:44:32 warfare: even without SLAAC, stateless / RA to pickup gateway can be used... Jan 19 09:45:03 enyc: :) I've been doing IPv6 deployments for 10 years now, maemo.org just wasn't priority. Jan 19 09:45:30 i am wondering what will happen with hosting-providers and ipv4-allocations in general tho Jan 19 09:45:40 if there will be more of a crunch there sort of thing Jan 19 09:46:04 sooner-or-later TLS SNI will be 'assumed' and all those ipv4-addresses for separate SSL hosts won't be needed anywhere near as much Jan 19 09:47:00 enyc: Expect to pay premium for IPv4 adresses, but there is still a lot of unused space. "Lots of SSL" isn't an argument for getting IPv4 space from RIPE. Also, most access providers are already doing CGNAT for IPv4 or something like DSLite. Jan 19 09:47:35 warfare: 'access providers' meaning 3g/4g/mobile sorts? Jan 19 09:48:08 enyc: cable, DSL. Mobile is doing CGNAT since the beginning of mobile data service. Jan 19 09:48:34 warfare: oh hrrm im not used to that but ok Jan 19 09:49:12 Basically, if you have cable internet in Germany at the moment you're not getting a public IPv4 address. Jan 19 09:49:42 and how widespread is ipv6 on german cable? Jan 19 09:49:58 Pretty much. Jan 19 09:51:42 According to Google, Germany has nearly 30% IPv6 adoption. Which also owns to Deutsche Telekom forcing everyone onto their new Triple-Play network which comes with IPv6 enabled as standard. Jan 19 09:54:43 man, i dont know what dosbox build i have installed atm Jan 19 09:54:48 but its slow beyond believe Jan 19 09:55:01 apt-get install build-essentials and build my own? :D Jan 19 09:56:10 I have a build around Jan 19 09:56:19 not sure it'd be much faster though Jan 19 09:56:24 I played with optim iirc Jan 19 09:56:38 http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/dosbox_0.74+svn3858-0maemo4_armel.deb Jan 19 09:56:40 https://github.com/torch/optim ? Jan 19 09:56:48 ah, ty, i'll try it out Jan 19 09:56:56 not sure which one this is Jan 19 09:57:11 you might want to have a look at http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/dosbox-bitu-memcpy and http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/dosbox Jan 19 09:57:38 what are those,. binaries? Jan 19 09:57:39 the latter is probably not relevant considering mtime Jan 19 09:57:42 I guess Jan 19 09:57:45 :P Jan 19 09:57:50 that was 2 years ago :) Jan 19 09:59:21 dos was 30 years ago :P Jan 19 10:03:44 oh well, looks like I'm using another one from 2015/01/11 Jan 19 10:04:46 buZz: BTW, there should be some -thumb dosbox on TMO, iirc I compiled it out of curiosity Jan 19 10:04:48 no idea what's the difference though Jan 19 10:05:44 maybe just -O3 instead of -O2 Jan 19 10:06:03 freemangordon_: I doubt it runs faster though :) Jan 19 10:06:07 i usually add compile options to file name when doing optimization builds ;) Jan 19 10:06:30 I wonder why --disable-opengl Jan 19 10:06:55 maybe they used an API that maemo isn't compatible with(?) Jan 19 10:06:59 it uses opengl for scaling Jan 19 10:07:06 no need for that on our screen Jan 19 10:07:12 hmmkay Jan 19 10:07:31 that's assuming dosbox renders at native screen Jan 19 10:07:35 which I doubt, but anyway Jan 19 10:07:39 native res* Jan 19 10:07:42 it does kinda look very good Jan 19 10:07:45 i mean, sharp Jan 19 10:08:27 bencoh: iirc it WAS faster, maybe because of the newer gcc Jan 19 10:08:28 pixel doubling then Jan 19 10:08:33 freemangordon_: haha Jan 19 10:08:45 freemangordon_: intrinsics? Jan 19 10:10:00 no idea it was a while ago :) Jan 19 10:10:36 bencoh: re --disable-opengl - n900 doesn't have opengl ;) Jan 19 10:11:50 which one do we have then? Jan 19 10:11:59 opengles Jan 19 10:12:00 dont we have one of the *gl api? Jan 19 10:12:08 GLES Jan 19 10:12:10 what KotCzarny said Jan 19 10:12:22 ah Jan 19 10:12:22 or rather GLES2 Jan 19 10:12:39 you can try glshim and enable opengl in dosbox Jan 19 10:12:45 and compare the framerates Jan 19 10:13:06 indeed Jan 19 10:13:08 * freemangordon_ goes afk Jan 19 11:24:21 bencoh: yes, one of the big downsides of blob drivers for arm is that they never seem to do opengl, only opengles Jan 19 11:24:30 bencoh: the open source ones usually do opengl (freedreno, etc) Jan 19 11:24:59 re: dosbox, you want the dosbox with arm jit patches Jan 19 11:26:11 I think NVIDIA Tegra drivers do OpenGL on Android Jan 19 11:26:48 Yes, true. NVIDIA as well Jan 19 11:26:59 But not: mali, vivante, adreno, what have you Jan 19 11:27:14 There is glshim, for basic opengl using opengles Jan 19 11:28:20 hm, parts of glshim could be probably used to provide glx on top of Android drivers if that's ever needed Jan 19 11:31:43 if android used X... Jan 19 11:52:51 Wizzup: re dosbox, I think that's the one I used but ... that was 2yo, so, I don't really remember Jan 19 12:26:06 not in Android, in Linux Jan 19 12:30:42 NeKit: true Jan 19 12:31:11 well, maybe Jan 19 12:31:34 Android has a certain linux userland Jan 19 12:31:45 mostly cli tools Jan 19 12:32:31 uses surfaceflinger instead of x, a system server, zygote and GLES Jan 19 12:32:59 booting is similar to Linux Jan 19 12:34:54 12:24:59 < Wizzup> re: dosbox, you want the dosbox with arm jit patches Jan 19 12:34:56 -yes- Jan 19 12:35:15 i was trying to run some 1996 dos demo program, it ran slower than a 8088 would do Jan 19 12:35:18 :P Jan 19 12:35:25 huhu Jan 19 13:02:39 buZz: even if you turn up cpucycles etc.? Jan 19 13:04:17 i didnt edit the doxbox.conf a lot yet, but it looked to be configured for 'auto' Jan 19 13:06:10 buZz: theres some stantard ctrl+f?something? key you press to increase/decrease cpucycles Jan 19 16:30:07 Hi, I have a problem with my update to an app in python. When I start it from terminal everything works fine, when from system menu - there is no text in some table cells Jan 19 17:38:12 Does anyone know how to solve problem I've described ? Jan 19 18:11:50 just noticed that we have libwebp which rdepends on pidgin telegram. Does this mean that pidgin should be able to show .webp images? Jan 19 18:12:13 and if yes, why it doesn't for me? Jan 19 20:30:41 maybe it's for something else Vajb? Jan 19 20:46:54 Juesto: don't ask me. Im just guessing here Jan 19 20:47:16 trying to figure out how to view those telegram stickers under maemo Jan 19 20:47:40 so far none of the image viewers r cabable of showing them Jan 19 20:47:45 how ever Jan 19 20:48:38 apt-cache search libwebp Jan 19 20:48:38 libwebp - Lossy compression of digital photographic images. Jan 19 20:51:21 now find packages depending on that lib Jan 19 20:55:55 Depends: libc6 Depends: libgcc1 Jan 19 20:56:26 no, reverse depends Jan 19 20:57:09 Reverse Depends: purple-protocol-telegram libwebp-dev Jan 19 20:59:40 so you have answer now Jan 19 20:59:42 so in my common sense it should use it? Jan 19 20:59:55 yes Jan 19 21:00:16 hmm still .webp images r shown as red x Jan 19 21:00:37 maybe its an old library? Jan 19 21:01:40 i was guessing that maybe it is because as default purple-protocol-telegram is installed to / and i moved it to /home/user/.purple/plugin as suggested? Jan 19 21:03:02 so i made symlink in / pointing to it Jan 19 21:03:28 didn't get chance to try if it worked, yet Jan 19 21:26:40 well we have 0.5.0-1 and there seems to be at least 0.5.2 out **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 20 03:00:02 2017