**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 03:00:02 2017 Jan 26 06:12:26 my n900's vibrate function decided to work again Jan 26 06:13:16 mine stops working from time to time and hitting it on the right spots makes it work back Jan 26 09:43:05 :) its just pogopins , the connection of vibration motor, isnt it? Jan 26 09:43:37 DocScrutinizer05: i love devuan on all my desktops Jan 26 09:43:47 dont think i'll go back to debian any time soon Jan 26 11:30:03 How do I check whether keyboard is open or closed? How do I check whether keyboard sensor works or not? Jan 26 11:32:35 Also, is it "normal" to see both 1850 root 3844 S fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 and 1853 root 9572 R fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 running on startup before eMMC mounting? Takes time, too, but lack of notification LED can at times lead to unclean shutdown. Jan 26 11:34:40 I just wish I knew for sure that this fsck did clean-up, and that one unclean shut-down will not lead to fsck-at-each-and-every-startup Jan 26 11:37:09 /me has a feeling that software is worn-out somewhere. Even auto-capitalisation doesn't seem to work properly anymore. Well, it may be just because it thinks that hw kb is closed, while I am typing on it. Jan 26 12:04:06 When the screen is locked and you unlock by opening the keyboard, is that indication that sensor works? Jan 26 12:07:25 I think so. Anyway, the keyboard silliness passed; probably related to start-up something. Jan 26 12:14:26 Oksanaa: keyboard/slider sensor is connected to a gpio Jan 26 12:14:37 dmesg will tell you much gpio Jan 26 12:17:51 Thank you :-) will read dmesg, it's lots of lines. Full info since start-up, may be interesting Jan 26 12:22:06 Whatever is procwrap_detach: deprecated dspbridge ioctl ? And ***** DSPMMU FAULT ***** IRQStatus 0x2 ? The latter one may need a pastebin, lots of lines. Jan 26 12:27:21 dspmmu fault usually calls for a reboot Jan 26 12:28:12 Well, had it caused a reboot, it wouldn't be in dmesg output? Unless dmesg remember what happened before start-up Jan 26 12:28:47 no I mean, I don't think I ever had a working dsp after seeing that message Jan 26 12:28:58 and eventually had to reboot Jan 26 12:29:45 Hmm, how do I see whether dsp works or not? Whatever it is. Jan 26 12:29:57 although restarting dsp from a running linux should work, but iirc something prevented me from restarting the dsp manager server Jan 26 12:30:20 hardware video acceleration uses DSP Jan 26 12:30:55 (might be the only use of the DSP on n900 actually) Jan 26 12:33:04 i thought DSP on pre-n900 was always used by the builtin mediaplayer for decoding mp3 Jan 26 12:34:23 yeah, video/audio, sorry :) Jan 26 12:34:39 (both decoding and encoding iirc) Jan 26 12:35:38 Well, I can watch a movie alright. Would it be DSP, or a fallback mechanism after DSP fails? Jan 26 12:41:38 I'd say dsp, so ... dunno Jan 26 12:41:46 maybe it's not exactly the same error I had :) Jan 26 12:42:24 It just spams dmesg with procwrap_detach: deprecated dspbridge ioctl, but audio and video play fine. Jan 26 13:11:57 #flatbatrecover Jan 26 13:12:09 shift key :facepalm: Jan 26 13:12:16 ~flatbatrecover Jan 26 13:12:17 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) Jan 26 13:12:41 ~tell LjL about flatbatrecover Jan 26 13:14:23 I am waiting for stable MATE DE on Devuan before switching from my current distro too. Jan 26 13:19:24 sixwheeledbeast: MATE in devuan seems to just work already Jan 26 13:19:47 Oksana: while true; do cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state; done Jan 26 13:20:51 I am keeping an eye on #devuan apparently there is one person trying to de-systemdify it Jan 26 13:21:26 sixwheeledbeast: errrrrr devuan is already de-systemd'ed Jan 26 13:21:50 MATE Jan 26 13:23:16 most of it works but a handful of packages have dependency issues. Jan 26 13:23:17 sixwheeledbeast: oh interesting it does depend on libsystemd but odesn't require systemd init running Jan 26 13:23:26 :nod: Jan 26 13:23:30 sixwheeledbeast: i can say it doesn't seem to be any pratical issue Jan 26 13:24:45 sixwheeledbeast: i.e. wouldn't be concerned to 'use' it and help out with fixes r.e. libsystemd Jan 26 15:34:37 sixwheeledbeast, thanks. it does say it only works if i have no bootloop, which sadly i do. i cannot really leave it "powered off" at first because it'll start booting as soon as i plug in the charger... and then fail to boot, rinse and repeat Jan 26 15:34:47 meanwhile, anyway, i got the new battery i ordered from eBay, buZz Jan 26 15:34:55 i'm not very happy Jan 26 15:35:00 it seems original alright Jan 26 15:35:04 :D Jan 26 15:35:15 but not so much in quality? Jan 26 15:35:22 but it was bare in an envelope completely unpadded, and i think the plastic top which has the contacts wiggles Jan 26 15:35:39 hmhm you already know it would be sent like that, didnt you? Jan 26 15:35:40 who the hell puts a bare lithium battery unpadded in an italian posts envelope Jan 26 15:35:49 knew* Jan 26 15:35:54 they manage to break packages that are padded with half a meter of polystyrene Jan 26 15:36:34 buZz, he said it would be in a "blister", i'm not sure if that word makes sense in english, but i was expecting a small but hard transparent plastic enclosure Jan 26 15:36:43 plus, at the very least, a bubblewrap-padded envelope Jan 26 15:37:10 a friend sent me a *phone* in such an envelope and it was undamaged. it was risky, but it sure beats a simple paper envelope Jan 26 15:37:29 yeah blister would be a hardplastic thingy Jan 26 15:37:47 in this case it was just a thin film of plastic Jan 26 15:38:04 i'll take pictures now Jan 26 15:38:16 i ordered two CP-321 from UK , would also be sent in 'original blister', they arrived just loose in a unpadded envelop with -remainders- of original packaging stuffed in as extra Jan 26 15:50:47 buZz, are you sure it said "in" and not just "with" :P Jan 26 15:50:49 details! Jan 26 15:51:02 in the envelope, yes Jan 26 15:51:05 not with Jan 26 15:51:13 oh Jan 26 15:51:27 well, lets see Jan 26 15:51:31 i took a video instead of pictures, uploading to youtube now Jan 26 15:52:15 http://www.ebay.com/itm/371426524796 Jan 26 15:52:41 > Jan 26 15:52:41 New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging (where packaging is applicable). Packaging should be the same as what is found in a retail store, Jan 26 15:53:39 yep, he demands 1.5 GBP to not demolish the packaging Jan 26 15:53:40 :P Jan 26 15:58:26 battery: €7.50 Jan 26 15:58:35 battery that I have not hit with a hammer before shipping: €75 Jan 26 15:58:39 buZz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6f23WHC3KU Jan 26 15:59:08 left one is the new one? Jan 26 15:59:12 it looks bulged Jan 26 15:59:43 buZz, no, left one is old Jan 26 15:59:51 i think neither looks bulged Jan 26 16:00:09 buZz, and up above the new battery there is the "blister" Jan 26 16:00:16 that barcode is different aswell Jan 26 16:00:31 buZz, i am commenting in the audio, but it's very faint Jan 26 16:00:32 i didnt decode it though, just visually Jan 26 16:01:25 buZz, is the barcode supposed to be the same for all of them? might encode the serial number for all i know Jan 26 16:01:44 no clue, lemme check my BL-5J's Jan 26 16:02:59 anyway the thing that makes me most uneasy right now is the loose top. even if it's counterfeit, well, i'll probably notice from the (lack of) duration. but if the top is loose it might have short circuits inside the protection circuitry or such Jan 26 16:03:33 it is not *very* loose. it moves just a bit Jan 26 16:03:40 both my BL-5J's have nearly the same number underneath, first 8 and last 10 digits are equal Jan 26 16:04:34 the barcodes are also different, but not so very different Jan 26 16:04:41 so it might be the number, yes Jan 26 16:04:46 buZz, are they like my old battery? Jan 26 16:04:49 none have 'further processed' under it Jan 26 16:04:53 like the left one Jan 26 16:04:54 yeah Jan 26 16:04:55 hmmm Jan 26 16:05:09 that "further processed" sure shows a different production batch at least Jan 26 16:05:12 like very different Jan 26 16:05:31 buZz, are both of yours old? Jan 26 16:05:48 maybe Nokia has produced some more recently in a different way Jan 26 16:06:08 yeah both old-ish Jan 26 16:06:22 one bulging even :( Jan 26 16:09:23 buZz, i'm about to put it in the N900 wish me luck Jan 26 16:09:34 (assuming it fits, given the top's unevenness) Jan 26 16:09:35 good luck! Jan 26 16:11:16 buZz, i had to press it down a bit to make it fit, since, as expected, it didn't easily fit inside the compartment given the bad top Jan 26 16:11:30 but Maemo is booting... Jan 26 16:13:15 buZz, actually no, it's not *booting*. it reaches pretty much the same stage as with the old battery, and then it dies. except with the old battery, it also lost backlighting before dying, so this battery has some more charge in it Jan 26 16:13:21 but evidently there's something wrong with my Maemo anyway Jan 26 16:13:57 my memory is quite bad and i can't remember but i have a vague recollection of having put a bulk of things, perhaps part of the OS itself if that's even possible, on a microSD card Jan 26 16:14:06 :( Jan 26 16:14:12 but there is no card in the phone now, so if i actually did that, then that would explain the failed boot Jan 26 16:14:18 right Jan 26 16:14:21 but why would i have removed the card in that case? Jan 26 16:14:23 maybe flash from 0? Jan 26 16:14:54 buZz, yeah maybe i should but... should i do that before being quite sure that *one* battery will be able to charge? Jan 26 16:14:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach <- this one was my starting point for my n900 just ..2? weeks ago Jan 26 16:15:11 also, i think i had pictures and stuff from my trip to London on the phone. i'm not really sure but i'd like to boot into it and see :( Jan 26 16:15:12 the battery wont charge without a booted phone, afaik Jan 26 16:15:17 ah yeah :/ Jan 26 16:15:43 do you have some DIY li+ charger? you could just connect the battery to that and charge it outside of the phone Jan 26 16:15:54 that looks lazy alright Jan 26 16:16:03 lazy++ Jan 26 16:16:14 buZz, no, i don't. that would have been my alternative to buying a new battery, but new battery seemed cheaper and less scary than charging externally Jan 26 16:16:23 hmhm Jan 26 16:16:38 i dont fear any technology and have been messing with electronics since forever :) Jan 26 16:16:50 anyway i somehow get the feeling that this new battery, whether it's genuine and good or not, does have a deccent amount of charge in it at the moment Jan 26 16:17:08 did you try booting with keyboard open? Jan 26 16:17:17 buZz, i don't fear technology, i fear chemical fumes :P Jan 26 16:17:20 on my current n900, that brings up the boot menu Jan 26 16:17:25 oh Jan 26 16:17:28 i tried, yeah Jan 26 16:17:33 i tried booting with "u" pressed Jan 26 16:17:38 i thought that was what would bring up the boot menu Jan 26 16:17:44 i tried SO HARD to get a lipo to flame or explode Jan 26 16:17:45 but i guess open keyboard was enough Jan 26 16:17:47 havent yet :/ Jan 26 16:18:08 buZz, so yeah i did get a boot menu before, but i wasn't really sure how to resurrect anything from there Jan 26 16:18:19 at first it seemed that just dropping into a console let it stay alive for charging Jan 26 16:18:21 no, me neither Jan 26 16:18:22 but then it died anyway Jan 26 16:18:28 i only own a n900 since this month Jan 26 16:18:31 no expert ;) Jan 26 16:18:33 ah Jan 26 16:18:42 well i own two now Jan 26 16:18:43 maybe i should "start bme" within the console Jan 26 16:18:47 assuming i can Jan 26 16:19:46 i believe in you Jan 26 16:19:46 :) Jan 26 16:19:48 buZz, did you buy it as your main phone, as a collector, or what? Jan 26 16:19:54 no i dont use phones Jan 26 16:19:58 i just love maemo :) Jan 26 16:20:06 already had 770, n800, n810 Jan 26 16:20:09 ah Jan 26 16:20:11 now i just need the n9-00 Jan 26 16:20:12 i have an N810 Jan 26 16:20:17 and maybe n950 Jan 26 16:20:23 those are too 'spensive for me Jan 26 16:20:40 i think i actually like the n810 formfactor better than n900's Jan 26 16:20:46 i bought both the N810 and the N900 when they were well past their hayday too Jan 26 16:20:53 the N810 is ncie Jan 26 16:20:58 but its keyboard feels awful Jan 26 16:21:15 it matches my hands better :) Jan 26 16:21:17 and its battery management is even more ridiculous than the N900's ;( Jan 26 16:21:23 well, it's bigger Jan 26 16:21:26 but i've also grown accustom to typing on a 'Zipit Z2' Jan 26 16:21:28 but the keys are so stiff and badly tactile Jan 26 16:21:34 so, dno what i'm complaining about ^_^ Jan 26 16:25:37 hmmm there are a few things i could try from the boot menu Jan 26 16:25:47 but possibly not enough time to try them all before the new battery dies too Jan 26 16:27:26 buZz, i can seemingly enter a backup menu that has an option to backup to... USB, perhaps? Jan 26 16:27:27 which would be nice for my data Jan 26 16:27:46 ooo yes! Jan 26 16:27:55 bleh Jan 26 16:28:01 the port is OTG , so you could maybe hook something up? Jan 26 16:28:06 it will backup to "eMMC, myDocs" Jan 26 16:28:07 * buZz throws USB OTG adapter Jan 26 16:28:09 aww Jan 26 16:28:21 * buZz throws a SD card to LjL Jan 26 16:28:38 was myDocs the name for the SD? Jan 26 16:28:44 i really don't seem to remember much about Maemo Jan 26 16:29:17 no , mydocs is the FAT partition on eMMC Jan 26 16:32:00 buZz, apparently this backupmenu thing also has a thing to make the N900 enter mass storage device mode Jan 26 16:32:00 so now i'm seeing myDocs from my computer Jan 26 16:32:13 including DCIM, so backup time Jan 26 16:32:13 !!!! Jan 26 16:32:15 excellent Jan 26 16:32:28 i didnt checkout BME properly yet Jan 26 16:32:30 nor the bootmenu Jan 26 16:32:43 it might also be charging but i dunno, there is no LED no Jan 26 16:32:44 on Jan 26 16:33:17 i dont think it charges before the kernel is booted, really Jan 26 16:33:42 buZz, i think *a* kernel must be booted Jan 26 16:33:47 i don't think this backupmenu is just its own kernel Jan 26 16:33:48 well true Jan 26 16:33:58 it could be, though Jan 26 16:34:07 it says "BackupMenu 1.2.0 by RobbieThe1st" Jan 26 16:34:16 so while i don't remember a thing, as mentioned Jan 26 16:34:19 this is probably not exactly a built-in Maemo thing Jan 26 16:34:29 yeah its not :) Jan 26 16:35:08 ah it also talks about udev Jan 26 16:35:12 so must be a linux kernel Jan 26 16:36:24 man, i really gotta kill that pedo video nokia put on all their devices Jan 26 16:36:28 horrible stuff Jan 26 16:39:56 buZz, it's exposing also the 2GB (root?) drive, but only /usr and /opt within it Jan 26 16:40:38 i guess thats the 'optfs' ? not 100% sure Jan 26 16:43:47 Error while copying Jan 26 16:43:52 There is not enough space on the destination "N900" Jan 26 16:43:56 gj ljl Jan 26 16:45:55 rm -fr / Jan 26 16:45:59 remove the french files Jan 26 16:46:01 :P Jan 26 16:46:05 (no, dont) Jan 26 16:46:52 typo? Jan 26 16:46:52 surely you meant french flies Jan 26 16:46:53 but they're more like mosquitoes, really Jan 26 16:47:03 bzzzzing their silly language all over your ears Jan 26 17:00:47 ~bootloop Jan 26 17:00:48 bootloop is, like, when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. Jan 26 17:16:14 LjL: no, the joke is 'remove your french files with rm -fr /' Jan 26 17:20:15 But what if I want to remove French files from other places than root... Jan 26 17:20:49 ~rescueOS Jan 26 17:20:49 [rescueos] http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Jan 26 17:21:10 well now that i have another battery, anyway, i suppose i can flash (i could backup, at least) Jan 26 17:21:14 but i still have no clue just what is causing bootloop Jan 26 17:21:29 and if at all possible, i'd rather fix that than reflash given all the customization i have, which i don't remember about Jan 26 17:27:15 not remembering = not missing, isnt it? :D Jan 26 17:44:14 buZz, not really! Jan 26 17:44:26 is there any way to get a slightly more verbose boot than... a blank screen? Jan 26 17:54:47 buZz, oh my god it's booting Jan 26 17:54:49 maybe Jan 26 17:55:00 i saw a ̣̣̣····· progress bar that wasn't there before Jan 26 17:55:13 also the LED is slowly flashing yellow Jan 26 17:55:16 that means charging doesn't it? Jan 26 17:55:36 !!!! Jan 26 17:55:37 yes Jan 26 17:55:47 yes , and the .... bar is 'busy booting' Jan 26 17:57:16 buZz, but then it went dark again, it didn't actually boot up to some screen Jan 26 17:57:19 but the LED is still doing the slow flashing Jan 26 17:57:27 should i leave it there without touching it for a bit? Jan 26 17:58:32 yes! i had this before aswell Jan 26 17:58:49 i just left it with orange led until i got bored, and tried powering again, which made it boot all the way Jan 26 17:59:29 oo good idea, i should try photorec/testdisk on my MyDocs :D Jan 26 17:59:35 giev nudes.jpg Jan 26 18:02:46 buZz, it might be a bit dangerous, but during the past few days trying to resurrect my old battery, i encountered a tip to run Maemo "from USB" for a very short time, by stopping bme and then removing the battery Jan 26 18:02:59 oo fancy Jan 26 18:03:01 so i *think* it cannot be ruled out that if (assming i can boot the phone eventually) Jan 26 18:03:23 if i run it from the new battery while connected to USB, then stop bme, then very quickly put the old battery in, and restart bme Jan 26 18:03:34 that it would keep going from the old battery, and start charging it Jan 26 18:03:40 either it does that, or it explodes, anyway Jan 26 18:03:49 should be fine :) Jan 26 18:09:14 buZz, i guess it's also possible that the BME, once restarted, would feel extremely perplexed at the fact that the battery is now at 2% when it was at 95% last time it checked, and do a safety shutdown Jan 26 18:09:17 wow lol, this n900 has >10k .png files on it :D Jan 26 18:09:36 not .jpg? Jan 26 18:09:36 * LjL smells hentai Jan 26 18:09:46 just 700 jpg Jan 26 18:10:02 those are probably the inappropriate-compressed hentai then Jan 26 18:10:05 well thusfar Jan 26 18:10:45 *sigh* Amazon Jan 26 18:10:50 buZz: let me check for those screens. Jan 26 18:11:03 i just bought a SODIMM module from you. so don't spam me with ads for SODIMM modules. i don't need *another* Jan 26 18:11:20 spam me with something, i dunno, something that a person could use together with the SODIMM module they just bought Jan 26 18:11:30 like a static discharger bracelet Jan 26 18:11:41 or a computer. i could use a free computer. Jan 26 18:11:51 Wizzup: i already did! Jan 26 18:12:17 meri will give it to madeddie, realitygaps or anus Jan 26 18:12:27 and it will travel on interhackerspacemail slowly to me :) Jan 26 18:13:30 LjL: i bought 1 onesie in november, now its all aliexpress wants to show me :) Jan 26 18:13:30 buZz: yes, except that he thinks that I have them. Jan 26 18:13:34 ;) Jan 26 18:13:34 oh Jan 26 18:13:41 I probably do. Jan 26 18:13:55 * Wizzup looks at the corner filled with n900 boxes, n900 phones and peripherals Jan 26 18:13:57 buZz, i wonder why they think targeted advertising is useful this way Jan 26 18:14:08 maybe they don't Jan 26 18:14:15 maybe targeted ads are just a big excuse to profile us, and not vice versa Jan 26 18:14:31 horrible profile then :P Jan 26 18:14:52 yeah, i am more photogenic from the front Jan 26 18:16:39 buZz: got at least 1 Jan 26 18:16:44 it's without ear part though Jan 26 18:16:48 so don't break those Jan 26 18:17:00 ok :) Jan 26 18:17:15 its mostly just to see the screen clearly on my second n900, its so scratched up :/ Jan 26 18:17:31 hmm Jan 26 18:17:34 buZz: just lemme know when, i dont check my box so often Jan 26 18:19:54 k k Jan 26 18:28:07 buZz, WE HAVE A GREEN LIGHT Jan 26 18:28:30 WOOOOOOP Jan 26 18:29:10 but it bootlooped anyway :( Jan 26 18:29:35 aw :/ Jan 26 18:29:54 did you mirror entire MyDocs and the other partition? you might be able to find what you did Jan 26 18:30:14 buZz, no, only the MyDocs partition Jan 26 18:30:19 it booted! Jan 26 18:30:21 !! Jan 26 18:30:28 using the Nokia kernel Jan 26 18:30:29 instead of the kernel i had by default Jan 26 18:30:31 Enter PIN code Jan 26 18:30:33 do i know my PIN code Jan 26 18:30:43 yep, i do Jan 26 18:30:55 it's not 2009 though Jan 26 18:30:59 let's make 2009 great again Jan 26 18:31:52 now this T-Mobile SIM is going to welcome me to Italy as usual Jan 26 18:32:00 which is always fun to watch Jan 26 18:33:19 it reports the battery as containing 1189mAh at most Jan 26 18:33:22 that's a bit less than specced Jan 26 18:33:30 but not enough to strongly suspect counterfeit, i guess Jan 26 18:33:41 maybe just a bit old stock Jan 26 18:43:55 here it is, the SMS! took a while this time Jan 26 18:45:13 T-Mobile: Welcome to Italy. Calls cost 4.4p/min to make & 1p/min to receive, texts 1.8p. Browse the internet for £3/day for 75MB by buying an internet travel booster. Make sure data roaming is switched on and click http://add-on.ee.co.uk/text for FREE to buy and get more info. Call 112 in case of emergency. Please note that photo messaging is not available in the EU. Call +4495... for Customer Services or if you no longer want to receive these messages when Jan 26 18:45:15 abroad. Jan 26 19:08:04 so... now that i can boot, my boot menu has three entries: "attached kernel 2.6.18-omap1", "kernel-cssu 2.6.28.10-cssu3" and "kernel-power 2.6.28.10-power53" Jan 26 19:08:12 the latter two boot, but the first (which is the default) does not Jan 26 19:08:22 i don't really remember any of this stuff from 2013. directions? :( Jan 26 19:08:29 what am i meant to be using these days Jan 26 19:13:02 buZz, battery now at 64%. while i do remember Maemo taking an inordinate amount of battery juice to reboot... i'm not *entirely* sure this is a sign of a top-performing battery Jan 26 19:14:32 its a bit fast yeah, but you did play with it for 45 minutes just now? :) Jan 26 19:17:54 buZz, not really, mainly rebooted and stared at boot screen Jan 26 19:18:18 updated software that was waiting to update, too, but there were just like 4 updates Jan 26 19:18:37 and some failed because the kernel isn't right for them, i suspect Jan 26 19:22:00 U-Boot wants to update but also doesn't want to update Jan 26 19:27:54 ah, all png files are maptiles ^_^ Jan 26 19:33:41 LjL: the first kernel is probably not supposed to boot with a cssu rootfs Jan 26 19:33:52 since I expect it to be a stock kernel Jan 26 19:33:58 which is incompatible nowadays Jan 26 19:34:23 you probably want kernel-power anyway, for all the goodies it brings Jan 26 19:34:36 bencoh, i see. i don't know why i have it listed as the first bootloader option then... Jan 26 19:34:52 it being your first choice is not a good idea, yeah :) Jan 26 19:35:13 you can change that in some /etc/ file and regenerate uboot menu iirc Jan 26 19:35:51 bencoh, any clue why this "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" update that the application manager prompt complains it "conflict with 3d party package policy"? Jan 26 19:36:02 add -s as needed Jan 26 19:36:58 no idea, especially since I dont use application manager Jan 26 19:37:46 20:30 < LjL> using the Nokia kernel Jan 26 19:37:46 20:30 < LjL> instead of the kernel i had by default Jan 26 19:37:50 which one is that? Jan 26 19:39:55 bencoh, forget that - i had it the other way around. the nokia kernel (omap1) is the one that does NOT boot Jan 26 19:58:52 i think cssu should still boot fine with that vanilla kernel Jan 26 19:59:10 cssu thumb is the one that's incompatible Jan 26 20:02:04 Sicelo: didnt they introduce a dependency at some point? Jan 26 20:03:22 hmm, you may be right actually Jan 26 20:38:07 CSSU *definitely* boots with stock kernel! Jan 26 20:38:54 cssu thumb is basically an incompatible arch Jan 26 20:39:37 it needs a thumb enabled kernel and afaik even some userland support Jan 26 20:40:05 or maybe not the latter Jan 26 20:40:41 anywau thumb userland crashes hard on stock kernel Jan 26 20:41:16 but CSSU != thumb Jan 26 20:42:39 and anybody using *thumb OUGHT be aware of all that Jan 26 20:44:07 the doc is in Jan 26 20:44:10 :) Jan 26 21:20:54 http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=nokia+n900&sa= Jan 26 21:20:57 disappointing Jan 26 21:21:09 does anyone have a 3d model the n900 by any chance? :) Jan 26 21:32:37 buZz: maybe check neo900 resources scans? Jan 26 21:43:38 ooo ty ; http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/scans/ Jan 26 21:49:49 too bad there isnt a 'fully assembled' model :) Jan 26 21:49:50 still nice Jan 26 21:57:13 DocScrutinizer51, i might be using thumb, and i might certainly have been aware of all that Jan 26 21:57:13 ... in 2013 Jan 26 21:57:13 when i last used my N900 Jan 26 21:59:58 happy new maemo LjL Jan 26 22:00:22 buZz, yes, well, i MIGHT have just overwritten my bootloader with a kernel that might not boot Jan 26 22:01:04 at least you have backups now :) Jan 26 22:01:07 sorta Jan 26 22:02:31 yeah i tried to install the kernel-power package from repositories, although i already had some kind of kernel-power installed but i wanted to make sure everything was up to date Jan 26 22:02:42 but it informed me that it would replace my current "U-Boot kernel" with it Jan 26 22:02:52 i clicked out of the dialog, but it seemingly proceeded anyway Jan 26 22:07:30 LjL: you should be able to boot a different kernel from usb iirc Jan 26 22:07:49 I wonder if that goes for uboot (loading uboot through usb) actually Jan 26 22:07:52 bencoh, oh i haven't rebooted yet after this potential incident anyway Jan 26 22:08:01 i'm going to try making sure U-Boot is installed first Jan 26 22:08:02 ah, so you're still fine :) Jan 26 22:08:34 but U-Boot won't update/reinstall because it's missing kernel-modules. i think i'm gathering now that's because nokia.com repositories are down and i need to replace them Jan 26 22:08:38 here u-boot-flasher and u-boot-tools are installed Jan 26 22:08:48 ~repos Jan 26 22:08:48 somebody said repos was "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos Jan 26 22:10:02 i am doing the .install clicking Jan 26 22:10:45 i wonder if i have a QR reader installed for copypasting things without squinting to look at microb Jan 26 22:13:24 so anyway... how am i meant to install kernel-power *while* making sure it doesn't overwrite uboot? Jan 26 22:13:56 you need the -bootimg package iirc Jan 26 22:14:37 kernel-power-bootimg that is (and not kernel-power-flasher) .... afair Jan 26 22:15:26 gotcha - i had installed the latter indeed Jan 26 22:15:45 so i will remove it, convince uboot to install itself without whining like a child, then install bootimg, and reboot Jan 26 22:17:24 uhm, does "multiboot-kernel-power" help me get kernel-power to be the default kernel in uboot without editing things myself? the description isn't clear Jan 26 22:17:24 I wonder why someone uploaded rp-pppoe to extras* Jan 26 22:17:52 doesn't make much sense to me, but meh :) Jan 26 22:18:06 we have fake ethernet over usb, dont we? Jan 26 22:18:23 so i guess, some ISPs still use pppoe, go online with n900 directly? hmm Jan 26 22:18:28 maybe not :P Jan 26 22:18:45 my god i have such naughty things installed Jan 26 22:18:48 like aircrack, but that's nothing Jan 26 22:18:55 i have an ad blocker! how am i even not in prison Jan 26 22:19:07 o m g Jan 26 22:20:01 plus, it sure looks like some of this stuff tries to boost the FM transmitter to powers or frequencies that jeopardize national security Jan 26 22:20:07 way to be a terrorist, ljl Jan 26 22:20:33 excellent, now go hack the gibson Jan 26 22:20:50 did you bring your own skateboard or do you need to borrow one? Jan 26 22:21:11 are you kidding me? skateboarding sounds dangerous Jan 26 22:21:37 i'm already scared enough of when i have to take my hand off the rail in the bus to reach the ticket machine Jan 26 22:23:20 :] Jan 26 22:23:47 then at LEAST custom paint your keyboard Jan 26 22:23:51 you cant hack like this Jan 26 22:24:02 ha i got you there! Jan 26 22:24:07 i just bought a mechanical keyboard Jan 26 22:24:14 it's on its way from Amazon (the hacker store) Jan 26 22:24:25 and it has COLORED LEDS Jan 26 22:24:32 straight from the leetest hacker factories in mainland China Jan 26 22:24:36 buZz: too much angelina for you Jan 26 22:24:37 i saw http://www.boredpanda.com/hipster-retro-typewriter-keyboard-lofree/ today Jan 26 22:24:50 bencoh: yeah the botox is going to my head Jan 26 22:24:53 i think i saw that... i bet it's that one.... Jan 26 22:25:04 oh, no, it was another one Jan 26 22:25:10 this one is actually... Jan 26 22:25:14 something resembling attractive? Jan 26 22:25:39 yeah i didnt dislike it directly Jan 26 22:25:50 i gotta go pickup a Model M like .. 50 meters from my house Jan 26 22:25:58 keep forgetting when i step out the door ^_^ Jan 26 22:26:01 the other one i saw was both tacky and $200 Jan 26 22:26:10 the one i bought was €53. Bluetooth. Jan 26 22:26:36 nice nice Jan 26 22:26:59 "The software from this catalogue might cause tsunami even if you live hundreds of kilometers inland and if you sue Nokia about it you will achieve nothing. Install?" man that sounds scary Jan 26 22:28:11 the un-nice thing is that only an ANSI version of it exists, and i need ISO layouts Jan 26 22:28:24 so i'll have to never type <, > or | again Jan 26 22:29:00 i suppose i'll cope by taking pictures of stuff my console prints and then OCRing them instead of using redirection Jan 26 22:32:50 at least there is that conveniance for you Jan 26 22:33:01 praise cheeses Jan 26 22:33:55 LjL: which repository is that? Jan 26 22:34:27 bencoh, just the mirror of the Nokia one. actual message might have been slightly exaggerated for comedic effect. Jan 26 22:36:30 ah :] Jan 26 22:41:00 how dangerous does it sound to you to try to resurrect my dead battery by stopping bme, swapping batteries real fast, and restarting bme Jan 26 22:41:50 oh good grief, kernel-modules is still not available. where the hell is it. Jan 26 22:43:28 uh, nope, i'm not going to install that. it wants to remove 921 packages. Jan 26 22:51:02 LjL: hotswapping batteries doesn't work on n900 Jan 26 22:55:22 bencoh, but... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa-WNmsLMaE ? Jan 26 23:00:27 hotswapping batteries works, but doesn't help *at all* to ressurrect a dead cell Jan 26 23:01:14 i see Jan 26 23:01:32 well, more importantly for the time being: is current U-Boot broken, or am i? Jan 26 23:01:50 the package i have is "u-boot-flasher" aka "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" Jan 26 23:01:53 false assumptions. N900 charges flat battery Jan 26 23:02:27 it wants to update itself, but to do that, it depends on kernel-modules, and if i try to install kernel-modules on my CSSU system, apt-get hilariously tries to remove the entire world Jan 26 23:03:48 DocScrutinizer51, well, i couldn't seem to find a way to charge mine before it spontaneously rebooted, while with the new cell, i managed to boot. i had this rescueOS thing linked earlier but now that i have a new battery, didn't really check it out Jan 26 23:04:31 well the battery is dead Jan 26 23:06:16 unless you got a rotten rootfs causing the bootloop Jan 26 23:06:46 ~flatbatrecover Jan 26 23:06:47 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) Jan 26 23:06:47 yeah my bad, hotswapping a dead battery doesn't work :) Jan 26 23:23:30 bleh, my repositories are obviously all messed up in various ways but i'm having a fit of sleepiness and i will collapse Jan 26 23:33:36 anyone know how to give user access to pnatd? I tried adding user to uucp, still requires sudo tho Jan 26 23:39:46 hmmm, what's wrong with sudo? Jan 26 23:40:43 you could check lsof and ls -l the opebed filea Jan 26 23:40:59 opened* Jan 26 23:41:39 uucp? Jan 26 23:43:39 hmmf, no those scans are all cropped off :( Jan 26 23:47:54 hm? Jan 26 23:57:20 the 3d scans Jan 27 00:22:08 pkill9: uucp on n900? <3 Jan 27 00:23:03 DocScrutinizer51: i suppose there's nothing wrong with sudo, it's just cleaner if you don't need to use it :) Jan 27 00:23:08 * bencoh used to have uucp on his laptop to automagically push mails with a proper local smtp relay Jan 27 00:23:52 bencoh: i added myself to uucp group on my laptop to send AT commands to the phone as user Jan 27 00:24:02 ah Jan 27 00:24:13 now I'm disappointed :p Jan 27 00:24:31 so i thought maybe that was the group i had to add the n900's user to in order to use those AT commands also Jan 27 00:24:48 has anyone ever worked with libnotify on maemo btw? Jan 27 00:25:16 bencoh: aww, why you dissappointed? :P Jan 27 00:25:42 it seems that I can't update/show existing notifications (they don't show a second time, and don't seem to be updated either) Jan 27 00:25:51 pkill9: I thought you actually used uucp on n900 Jan 27 00:26:03 tbh i don't know why uucp is :P Jan 27 00:26:13 even more disappointed then :> Jan 27 00:26:17 all i know is i had to add myself to that group to send AT commands Jan 27 00:45:46 find /dev -iname '*usb*' -ls Jan 27 00:46:14 you'll find uucp on the group Jan 27 00:46:49 on systems where this works. On mine USB is group dialout Jan 27 00:47:04 not sure, just a guess Jan 27 00:49:14 I further *guess* pnatd uses libisi to access network device/socket whateverthename Jan 27 00:50:34 ifconfig phonet0 Jan 27 00:52:26 strace pnatd FTW Jan 27 01:13:49 bleh i cannot get u-boot installed Jan 27 01:39:55 so. i removed u-boot-flasher because it just couldn't get updated. i installed u-boot-bootimg and a couple of kernel bootimgs instead. should that work? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 27 03:00:01 2017