**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 02 03:00:02 2017 Feb 02 07:11:58 Juesto: what is the problem with dsme? Feb 02 07:17:53 it fails to run Feb 02 07:18:01 BOOTSTATE=MALS Feb 02 07:18:33 and even without dmse alarmd fails to start due to osso-af-init Feb 02 07:18:46 that created issues with dpkg that i had to comment the init script Feb 02 07:19:09 freemangordon: vnc perhaps? :( Feb 02 07:19:47 i mean, would you like to look at it over vnc? Feb 02 07:20:11 Juesto: no need Feb 02 07:20:59 Juesto: check dsme startup script, it tries to get boot state from /tmp/STATE Feb 02 07:21:14 and /var/lib/dsme/saved_state (iirc) Feb 02 07:21:16 Juesto: people usually prefer ssh, btw Feb 02 07:21:49 Juesto: that one too :) Feb 02 07:22:04 bencoh its on vmware nat so its hard to ssh actually Feb 02 07:22:09 and i prefer vnc Feb 02 07:22:09 Juesto: just edit that startup script so the state to be always "USER" Feb 02 07:22:30 i am running it manually Feb 02 07:23:04 freemangordon: the saved_state thing does not exist at all Feb 02 07:23:12 then create it Feb 02 07:23:14 then create it Feb 02 07:23:18 heh Feb 02 07:23:18 :) Feb 02 07:23:36 had to type '/msg #maemo' :P Feb 02 07:23:40 i am not supposed to create it Feb 02 07:23:42 lol Feb 02 07:23:43 why Feb 02 07:23:46 * freemangordon heads for work Feb 02 07:23:51 * Juesto sighs Feb 02 07:24:10 juesto: because you are not using it on original software Feb 02 07:24:26 Juesto: then wait until all the needed pieces are in place Feb 02 07:24:32 and because you are now exploring unknown territory Feb 02 07:24:39 right Feb 02 07:25:02 right Feb 02 07:25:05 :| Feb 02 07:25:34 Juesto: most of the things you have to do manually will have to go in the postinst script of some package Feb 02 07:25:45 so either treat it as a learning ground how maemo internally works, or just wait for ready-for-endusers product Feb 02 07:26:09 but until then you still have to fiddle with the system to make it work and note it down so someone can eventually write a proper package Feb 02 07:26:23 i dont like taking notes but okay Feb 02 07:26:26 and i prefer chat Feb 02 07:26:34 i prefer to share directly instead of writting notes Feb 02 07:26:38 writing* Feb 02 07:26:58 that's "fine" when you have infinite time ;p Feb 02 07:27:12 (and same goes for people around you) Feb 02 07:27:55 i just feel lazy Feb 02 07:29:15 images do more than words Feb 02 07:29:18 also ^ Feb 02 07:30:26 what do i do then Feb 02 07:30:27 btw. used n900 go cheap, you might check your local classifieds sites Feb 02 07:30:46 i just cant buy Feb 02 07:30:48 or something Feb 02 07:30:57 a trust issue, kind of Feb 02 07:31:11 no moneys? Feb 02 07:31:24 no online money Feb 02 07:31:35 and i feel a bit guilty Feb 02 07:31:36 tbh Feb 02 07:31:50 request 'paid on delivery' Feb 02 07:32:14 * Juesto just feels uncomfortable Feb 02 07:33:28 and im with the vnc thing Feb 02 07:33:34 because loneliness reasons Feb 02 07:33:50 like it gives a clearer view Feb 02 07:34:37 please? Feb 02 07:34:42 start playing some mmorpg, should solve your loneliness issue Feb 02 07:34:56 and as others have said, easier to use ssh Feb 02 07:34:57 KotCzarny: i suck at those strategy games Feb 02 07:35:12 juesto: there are plenty of online games, of different kinds Feb 02 07:35:16 KotCzarny: as i stated, the vm is on a nat so... Feb 02 07:35:23 yea i am a gamer, do not worry about that Feb 02 07:35:59 its just Feb 02 07:36:56 okay Feb 02 07:39:12 Juesto: no need to feel unconfortable or sigh every two msg. Please be concrete using your time focusing on tasks that can be completed. Asking for generic help or support... probably means abuse the time of who is trying to help and obtain nothing usable. So, be concrete, use your time in a productive way Feb 02 07:39:54 okay Feb 02 07:40:00 i just lost.... something Feb 02 07:40:10 ..momentum Feb 02 07:40:46 i cant make it work on bridged mode Feb 02 07:42:37 me too. I can't make my girlfriend work in bridged mode but i enjoy life in different ways Feb 02 07:44:06 ... ;) Feb 02 07:44:58 ... Feb 02 07:45:01 :| Feb 02 07:48:16 what then Feb 02 07:49:52 xes ? Feb 02 07:50:33 xes: have you tried turning her off and on again? ;) Feb 02 07:50:50 lol :/ Feb 02 07:51:55 KotCzarny: yes, anything... except factory reset (i'm scared about the possible result) Feb 02 07:52:26 im scared of "factory reset" or reinstalls too :) Feb 02 07:52:33 its just a bad thing for the user Feb 02 07:52:41 information get losts Feb 02 07:52:48 gets lost* Feb 02 07:52:51 xes: dongles? new software? Feb 02 07:53:05 new toys? Feb 02 07:53:59 i wish i have a girlfriend Feb 02 07:55:25 KotCzarny: i'm old style.. and there is no serial/jtag port :) Anyway.. Juesto: polling != productive Feb 02 07:55:52 xes: inductive connectivity is the future Feb 02 07:55:52 idk :( Feb 02 07:58:19 i want to die due to depression Feb 02 07:59:40 i might exaggerate sometimes Feb 02 07:59:48 so.. sorry for that and for OT Feb 02 08:07:47 i cant focus anymore, i lost momentum and i wish i can get that enthusiasm back Feb 02 08:16:21 Juesto: i see. But as i said before, you shoult point at something where the result is known and doable..Not something abstract without any end. Or you will obtain even more unsatisfaction Feb 02 08:39:51 Juesto: go see a doctor please. Feb 02 08:59:15 Juesto: A friend of mine suffers from depression and the pretty much only solution is to seek professional help. Feb 02 09:32:48 http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/02/plasma-desktopD17764.png http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/02/plasma-desktopN17764.png http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/02/plasma-desktopV17764.png Feb 02 09:37:49 http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/02/plasma-desktopF17764.png Feb 02 17:48:20 got inspired by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1522668#post1522668 and https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/accessories/qwerty-keyboard-slider-diy-t3303280 Feb 02 17:48:22 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7Ry3yX7vD4MG5iX1V5bWJ1ZXM/view?usp=sharing Feb 02 17:48:22 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7Ry3yX7vD4R2RuUURXSS14Zkk/view?usp=sharing Feb 02 17:48:35 *sorry for the links flood* Feb 02 18:00:42 NeKit: is that maemo? Feb 02 18:01:01 just hildon Feb 02 18:01:12 well, yeah Feb 02 18:01:35 this is the chroot you were working on? Feb 02 18:02:30 yes Feb 02 18:03:29 I tried starting some apps from Scratchbox target, and some can actually be started, like alarm settings or file manager Feb 02 18:03:57 oh cool nekit Feb 02 18:04:20 do you know if i can do something regarding the sdk vm's xephyr? Feb 02 18:04:25 NeKit: is that device supported in upstream kernel? Feb 02 18:04:50 whatever it is - nexus? Feb 02 18:04:51 no, it's MediaTek SoC based Feb 02 18:04:55 oh Feb 02 18:05:28 why don't you use something which can boot upstream kernel an install maemo on it? Feb 02 18:05:47 because i cant shift+control aka cant do any maemo hotkeys because xephyr uses it for input grabbing Feb 02 18:06:32 do you mean Devuan or actual Maemo? Feb 02 18:06:42 Juesto: get qemu n900 image that comes with qtcreator, it has full keyboard suppot Feb 02 18:07:09 NeKit: well devuan with hildon-desktop and whatnot memo on it is no longer devuan :) Feb 02 18:07:19 but yeah, this is what I meant Feb 02 18:07:57 freemangordon: i have the nokia lucid vm Feb 02 18:08:16 NeKit: ^ Feb 02 18:09:17 qtcreator where? freemangordon Feb 02 18:10:03 Juesto, sorry, no idea about Xephyr Feb 02 18:10:36 well at least converting xephyr to a regular X display would help Feb 02 18:10:39 greatly help* Feb 02 18:11:25 start second instance of regular X display maybe? Feb 02 18:12:31 im a bit clueless how it works since it only seems to run properly from the sdk shortcut on the desktop Feb 02 18:12:33 in that vm Feb 02 18:12:42 its a bunch of scripts Feb 02 18:18:22 freemangordon, yet, I have Sailfish more or less ported on this device, and making calls works through ofono there Feb 02 18:18:33 I wonder if ofono can be bridged to Maemo UI Feb 02 18:19:02 NeKit: I guess yes, phone-ui dbus iface is more or less known Feb 02 18:19:29 sailfish? on android kernel through libybris? Feb 02 18:19:33 yes Feb 02 18:19:39 *libhybris Feb 02 18:20:04 well, not exactly linux in any shape or form :) Feb 02 18:20:23 it is still android Feb 02 18:20:40 android is linux but with a compressed combo image :) Feb 02 18:20:47 with its crazy power management and closed blobs Feb 02 18:20:58 depends Feb 02 18:21:13 hehe Feb 02 18:22:05 as for power management - it isn't, but really true about blobs Feb 02 18:22:37 it depends on the device really Feb 02 18:22:44 NeKit: yes, it is, android does PM through wakelocks (if I remember the name correctly) Feb 02 18:22:47 the blobs Feb 02 18:22:55 not exactly Feb 02 18:22:59 not through DVFS Feb 02 18:23:04 but yes, it uses wake locking Feb 02 18:23:10 and theres wifi locking Feb 02 18:23:15 which it can be glitchy Feb 02 18:23:47 NeKit: there is a lengthy thread on TMO re problems running sshd on sailfish because of those wkaelocks Feb 02 18:24:19 now I understand Feb 02 18:24:26 o_O Feb 02 18:24:46 yes, it's not working nicely when the phone is sleeping and it's not connected to power sources Feb 02 18:24:47 link? Feb 02 18:25:15 but hey, at least it does its best to keep the battery healthy :) Feb 02 18:25:22 Juesto: I don't have, search the forum Feb 02 18:25:34 sorry Feb 02 18:27:07 so N900 doesn't go to suspend? Feb 02 18:27:26 no Feb 02 18:28:01 i guess i can just forward the ssh port Feb 02 18:28:21 it does a power-off of the currently unneeded HW, simplified Feb 02 18:29:00 ~dvfs Feb 02 18:29:07 hmm :( Feb 02 18:29:37 ~moo Feb 02 18:29:37 mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. Feb 02 18:32:05 NeKit: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Feb 02 18:32:20 thanks for the link Feb 02 18:33:04 but still, I think libhybris is viable option when we live in Android world Feb 02 18:33:49 NeKit: not in maemo world, it wants X, at least for now :) Feb 02 18:34:46 actually I don;t know how feasible is to try to boot maemo on android kernal Feb 02 18:34:51 *kernel Feb 02 18:35:31 android uses surfaceflinger for graphics Feb 02 18:35:35 it is a different beast Feb 02 18:35:43 we don't live in an android world Feb 02 18:35:44 but sure, android can run X Feb 02 18:35:45 desktop Linux can boot on Android kernel with some options turned on Feb 02 18:36:07 with full X and GL accell? Feb 02 18:36:28 cool Feb 02 18:36:46 look at ubuntu touch Feb 02 18:36:49 or firefox os Feb 02 18:36:51 that depends on X-compatible drivers Feb 02 18:36:52 but then, we'll have no working PM Feb 02 18:36:54 those are android based Feb 02 18:37:17 Juesto: those does not use X afaik Feb 02 18:37:27 for Adreno there is Freedreno, and Mali seems to provide blobs Feb 02 18:37:45 I am fine with blobs for GPU Feb 02 18:38:00 freemangordon: ubuntu touch has some functionality where you can have a full desktop when you plug it to a external display Feb 02 18:38:36 but that device I tried on has PoverVR Rogue, so no Xorg-blobs, I need to try to get acceleration working through libhybris Feb 02 18:38:37 also Wizzup, fmg, np if i just port forward ssh of my vm for you guys? Feb 02 18:38:50 since everyone prefers ssh Feb 02 18:38:50 but I am not fine with being stuck to some ancient $vendor kernel Feb 02 18:38:53 To do what Feb 02 18:39:07 to look at what i've done so far..? Feb 02 18:39:20 not sure Feb 02 18:39:23 If you have patches for the repos, submit them Feb 02 18:39:42 otherwise, I'm just going to continue uploading packages to git.devuan.org/groups/fremantle Feb 02 18:39:47 I need to finish some work first Feb 02 18:40:18 Juesto: if I need ssh access I'll tell you, so far you;re reporting problems which are either known or simple Feb 02 18:40:55 NeKit: I was under the impression PowerVR has driver blobs from TI Feb 02 18:41:17 is there a way to link maemo bugzilla with maemo.org and tmo? Feb 02 18:41:24 and/or use maemo.org openid? Feb 02 18:41:29 no idea Feb 02 18:43:06 I think TI SoCs only use PowerVR SGX series as opposed to newer ones Feb 02 18:44:16 freemangordon: have you managed to build clutter 0.8 from the community-cssu repo? Feb 02 18:44:23 I run into stupid autotools errors Feb 02 18:44:37 Or do you just d/l the .deb from cssu Feb 02 18:44:56 Wizzup: i already told you that you need to switch branches Feb 02 18:45:10 there is only one branch. Feb 02 18:45:19 for which? libmatchbox2? Feb 02 18:45:31 no, clutter. I can check for libmatchbox2 Feb 02 18:46:03 you're not using the same as i've used for building... Feb 02 18:46:04 I'll upstream gtk2 Feb 02 18:46:05 :| Feb 02 18:46:14 I think fremantle-gtk2 is ported to clutter 1.0 Feb 02 18:46:20 ^ exactly Feb 02 18:46:30 Wizzup: you don;t need maemo clutter Feb 02 18:46:44 freemangordon: It depends on 'clutter-0.8' Feb 02 18:46:55 Wizzup: no Feb 02 18:47:00 which repo? Feb 02 18:47:01 master and upstream-gtk2 do Feb 02 18:47:25 which package? Feb 02 18:47:27 Explain how i could dpkg-buildpackage -b libmatchbox2 on a standard devuan Feb 02 18:47:29 freemangordon: fremantle-gtk2/libmatchbox2 Feb 02 18:48:15 Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.21), automake, libtool, debhelper (>= 4.1.0), pkg-config (>= 0.18), libx11-dev, x11proto-core-dev, libxext-dev, libxt-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libpng12-dev, libpango1.0-dev, libxcomposite-dev, libxdamage-dev, libclutter-1.0-dev Feb 02 18:48:28 *libclutter-1.0-dev* Feb 02 18:48:38 Wizzup: you're using wrong branch Feb 02 18:48:59 Wizzup: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/libmatchbox2/tree/upstream-gtk2 Feb 02 18:49:00 I am on upstream-gtk2 atm Feb 02 18:49:11 maybe dpkg-buildpackage does some stupid caching crap Feb 02 18:49:18 I don;t think so Feb 02 18:49:25 well, I *am* on the right branch Feb 02 18:49:34 let me re-clone and see Feb 02 18:50:05 ok. However what I have pasted ^^^ is from github Feb 02 18:50:20 yes. dpkg-buildpackage did some stupid caching Feb 02 18:50:26 ;) Feb 02 18:50:26 really? omg Feb 02 18:50:27 That wasted a good hour of my time Feb 02 18:50:33 :D Feb 02 18:50:46 Wizzup: which devuan is that? Feb 02 18:50:54 it's debian jessie Feb 02 18:51:14 (chroot) Feb 02 18:51:16 hmm, the same I am using, never seen such a behaviour Feb 02 18:51:27 mb-wm-util.c:289:3: error: ignoring return value of 'vasprintf', declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result] Feb 02 18:51:30 vasprintf(&msg, format, ap); Feb 02 18:51:32 should not matter aiui (chroot) Feb 02 18:51:33 ^ Feb 02 18:51:35 cc1: all warnings being treated as errors Feb 02 18:51:39 (I can fix this error myself) Feb 02 18:51:43 yeah, chroot should not matter. Feb 02 18:52:05 Wizzup: lemme check if I have pushed everything matchbox Feb 02 18:53:06 "Everything up-to-date" Feb 02 18:53:18 Wizzup: weird that I don;t have that error here Feb 02 18:53:23 no 'git diff' changes? Feb 02 18:53:30 no Feb 02 18:53:37 i have the same copy since the repositories were all last updated 20+ days ago Feb 02 18:53:44 fremantle-gtk2 forks Feb 02 18:53:47 I mean, clearly something is passing -Werror Feb 02 18:54:03 you're clearly doing something wrong Feb 02 18:54:12 ... Feb 02 18:54:42 we do not have your issue Feb 02 18:54:45 Yes, clearly configure.ac containing -Werror, which errors about a valid ignoring of a return value is me doing something wrong. Feb 02 18:54:50 you could employ your own CFLAGS Feb 02 18:54:56 I know Feb 02 18:55:10 I have none set in my env. Feb 02 18:55:23 oh ok, that was my thought Feb 02 18:55:23 me neither yet i had zero issues Feb 02 18:55:29 Wizzup: -Werror is on purpose, what is weird is why you have that warning but not me Feb 02 18:55:43 freemangordon: and some packages do have a missing configure Feb 02 18:55:57 Juesto: that's normal Feb 02 18:55:59 * Juesto goes through the building again Feb 02 18:56:08 dpkg-buildpackage is supposet to create it Feb 02 18:56:12 *supposed Feb 02 18:56:32 Well then it fails creating it because of the missing rule Feb 02 18:56:34 freemangordon: well, ignoring the result of vasprintf is indeed an error Feb 02 18:56:42 Wizzup: gcc (Debian 4.9.2-10) 4.9.2 Feb 02 18:56:52 same Feb 02 18:59:03 Wizzup: hmm Feb 02 18:59:03 Wizzup: I just rebuild it, no error Feb 02 18:59:07 https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/libmatchbox2/blob/master/matchbox/core/mb-wm-util.c#L289 Feb 02 18:59:24 https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/libmatchbox2/blob/master/matchbox/core/mb-wm-util.c#L289 Feb 02 18:59:55 (got lagged out) Feb 02 19:00:30 yes, I see, what I don;t understand is why I don;t have that error here Feb 02 19:00:57 maybe you have CFLAGS set in env? Feb 02 19:01:16 i have none yet i do not have errors Feb 02 19:01:37 Wizzup_: no Feb 02 19:02:16 Wizzup_: it is something on your side, neither me or Juesto or NeKit have that error Feb 02 19:02:40 I fixed the code to compile with -Werror, and now the package builds. Feb 02 19:02:48 ok Feb 02 19:02:55 not sure about me, I had to change flags for some packages, but thought this to be Arch-specific Feb 02 19:03:04 ok Feb 02 19:03:15 I have x86_64 debian Feb 02 19:03:32 same here, but in VM, not chroot Feb 02 19:03:40 debian? Feb 02 19:03:45 yes Feb 02 19:03:55 Wizzup_: https://defuse.ca/b/dUSdHWr9 Feb 02 19:04:08 this is in the VM - Devuan GNU/Linux 1 \n \l Feb 02 19:04:24 32 bits vm here and i pastebinned a proof Feb 02 19:04:43 I don't use devuan, because I already had a chroot with debian. I'll set up a devuan later, but for now that doesn't seem required Feb 02 19:04:55 Juesto: 'proof' is not required - the code is wrong and -Werror is correct about complaining about it Feb 02 19:04:59 Perhaps the chroot is giving you problems? Feb 02 19:05:03 :| Feb 02 19:05:18 it might be wrong but it only does not work for you, not us Feb 02 19:05:47 I am not interested in this discussion. -Werror tells you exactly what is wrong in the code. It was the only bug, I've fixed it Feb 02 19:05:54 okay Feb 02 19:06:11 me neither actually, i'd rather not burn out with that Feb 02 19:06:25 freemangordon: fwiw, git.devuan.org contains a fremantle group now, I am uploading the git repos here, which is a requirement to build on their CI Feb 02 19:06:36 if you make an account there (whenever you want) I'll add you to the group Feb 02 19:06:50 so for now we can't directly use the github repos, but I'll just manually push over any changes Feb 02 19:07:52 Wizzup_: great Feb 02 19:08:07 I'll create an account there Feb 02 19:08:11 It only contains libcal, but I'm going to upload libmatchbox2 now Feb 02 19:08:16 ok Feb 02 19:08:25 I think we may need to create a (testing) gpg key, which I think parazyd did, and I can send that your way too Feb 02 19:08:47 yep emailed to you Feb 02 19:08:52 yeah, I got it Feb 02 19:10:36 Wizzup_: I hope you made devuan guys aware this is WIP? Feb 02 19:10:36 Wizzup_: registered Feb 02 19:10:59 freemangordon: been in contact with devuan guys, yeah, and they are aware, they still need to enable 'ci features' on the group, afaik Feb 02 19:11:10 ci? Feb 02 19:11:25 jenkins builds Feb 02 19:11:27 a botbuilder iirc Feb 02 19:11:29 ^^ Feb 02 19:11:29 https://ci.devuan.org Feb 02 19:11:30 'continous integration' Feb 02 19:11:32 basically auto builds Feb 02 19:11:36 ok, thanks Feb 02 19:12:01 to type a bit of the backlog from #devuan...: Feb 02 19:12:13 thats great, lets hope we finally have a foundation for a true linux mobile OS Feb 02 19:12:25 all packages autobuilt currently end up in devuan (official) packages, and in case of fremantle it's unwanted Feb 02 19:12:36 so a separate group will be set up on the ci Feb 02 19:18:13 yep, makes sense Feb 02 19:19:17 I am waiting for the devuan side to give me an 'OK' when it comes to using the autobuild feature Feb 02 19:19:56 we can ping Centurion_Dan later when he wakes up/gets online Feb 02 19:20:33 sounds good Feb 02 19:29:10 https://defuse.ca/b/w6kchejb - freemangordon: package generation output and install and alarmd dpkg fix Feb 02 19:29:18 did not test running them Feb 02 19:29:55 expires in 10 days and counting Feb 02 19:58:34 Juesto: please if you have something fixed, fork on github and make pull requests, I can;t really scroll through hundreds of lines of build logs to guess what went wrong and how it was fixed. It simply doesn't work that way Feb 02 19:59:56 Wizzup_: is it normal that git.devuan.org redirects me to github? Feb 02 20:00:27 oh, it is my fault actually Feb 02 20:00:37 No, that's not normal :p Feb 02 20:01:15 well, I guess it will take some time till I get used to the iface :) Feb 02 20:01:32 fwiw, I don't think we have to move all the repos there Feb 02 20:01:39 it can stay on GH, and we can just sync the repos Feb 02 20:01:47 I mean, I'll make clones on g.d.o Feb 02 20:02:15 yep, I prefer to keep github as main repo too Feb 02 20:03:02 * Wizzup_ too Feb 02 20:07:31 Ugh Feb 02 20:07:41 i just do not want to go through the hassle of forking Feb 02 20:08:10 Juesto: it is one click only Feb 02 20:08:29 Juesto: you building it for yourself doesn't help anyone else, especially if you don't tell us what you changed/fixed Feb 02 20:08:45 I didnt change anything.. Wizzup_ Feb 02 20:09:00 in fact, all my tests information is on that report i've written Feb 02 20:10:20 Wizzup_: what arch will that ci build for? Feb 02 20:10:24 *archs Feb 02 20:10:35 or it is up to us? Feb 02 20:10:36 I think initially intel, then have qemu instances for armel and armhf Feb 02 20:10:42 and I am going to give them extra arm hw for building Feb 02 20:10:47 I don't know what it will target initially Feb 02 20:10:57 I only know that making a build requires to make an issue that has title 'Build' Feb 02 20:11:08 (and changes to debian/changelog) Feb 02 20:12:33 that's up to us, we can build all if we want Feb 02 20:12:43 good Feb 02 20:13:18 armel is cool to have, for stock maemo compatibility, but then we'll have issues with armle GPU drivers Feb 02 20:13:55 arm64 could be interesting too Feb 02 20:14:10 we hardly have any arm64 hw Feb 02 20:14:15 unless you mean the olimex laptop ;) Feb 02 20:14:31 or if libhybris is used :) Feb 02 20:16:20 and what about true x64 aka itanium? Feb 02 20:16:27 NeKit: well, I guess I'll leave lybhibris to more knowledgeable ones Feb 02 20:16:55 Juesto: how many itanium mobile devices do you know? Feb 02 20:17:15 none..? Feb 02 20:17:19 mhm Feb 02 20:18:14 that it doesn;t really make sense to me to build for non-existing HW. we may build for z80 with the same result :) Feb 02 20:18:44 ~6502 Feb 02 20:18:52 ~ping Feb 02 20:18:52 ~pong Feb 02 20:19:58 * freemangordon really hopes to find some spare time to work on finishing osso-bookmark-engine and to continue porting during the weekend Feb 02 20:23:54 in case of arm7hf builds, will chroot be still needed to launch Maemo closed-source apps due to them being armel? Feb 02 20:23:57 I'll be at FOSDEM in the weekend Feb 02 20:24:49 NeKit: I guess so, though I don;t really know how will work that in regards to GL Feb 02 20:25:25 and if it is going to work at all Feb 02 20:26:23 NeKit: but, I hope slowly but steady they will be either REed or replaced by FOSS ones Feb 02 20:27:06 I would not aim for closed maemo apps initially, unless they are required Feb 02 20:27:17 deffinitely Feb 02 20:27:21 the nice thing, I think, is that we can just take 'extras' and recompile it against the new sw, see how many just work Feb 02 20:28:23 If we gain momentum thanks to maemo repo on devuan servers, I hope more devs joining, taking on trivial tasks, thus freeing my spare time to work on REing Feb 02 20:29:06 Wizzup_: speaking of maemo - why is group called fremantle? Feb 02 20:29:26 or, this is temporary, until somebody come with a better name? Feb 02 20:29:35 because of trademark issues? Feb 02 20:29:36 freemangordon: we can rename it to maemo Feb 02 20:29:40 there are no trademark issues Feb 02 20:29:48 I thought there might be Feb 02 20:29:52 DocScrutinizer05 ^ Feb 02 20:29:58 Juesto: please, we already discussed it extensively Feb 02 20:29:58 no, it is ok RE TM Feb 02 20:30:02 let's not reiterate Feb 02 20:30:07 yeah just for fmg Feb 02 20:30:10 :/ Feb 02 20:30:18 * Juesto sighs Feb 02 20:30:33 freemangordon: I went for fremantle because it seemed more clear, 'maemo' seemed to general. But doc said that it's better to go for 'maemo' since more people recognize it as such Feb 02 20:30:40 seemed too* Feb 02 20:30:44