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Feb 22 06:20:03 <Oksanaaa> "Cannot resolve hostname" when trying to use irreco-for-n900
Feb 22 07:38:22 <Sicelo> Michael_a380: yeah that looks ugly (tmo post)
Feb 22 09:51:27 <parazyd> anyone with facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/NokiaN900Users/permalink/10155282546973322/
Feb 22 09:51:35 <parazyd> seems there's an n950 for sale?
Feb 22 10:54:29 <DocScrutinizer05> get it!
Feb 22 10:55:26 <DocScrutinizer05> though screen is borked, a pity
Feb 22 10:57:25 <DocScrutinizer05> spare LCDs for N950 seem impossible to get, prolly mainly because nobody has an idea which is the right one to look for
Feb 22 10:57:37 <merlin1991> mine is borked too :/
Feb 22 10:57:54 <DocScrutinizer05> hibge impact?
Feb 22 10:57:59 <DocScrutinizer05> hinge*
Feb 22 10:58:06 <dmth|intevation> mine to, same are of the display.
Feb 22 10:58:08 <merlin1991> nah, black lines in the middle
Feb 22 10:58:17 <DocScrutinizer05> that's hinge usually
Feb 22 10:58:35 <merlin1991> ah okay
Feb 22 10:58:45 <DocScrutinizer05> terribly 'stupid' design
Feb 22 11:01:39 <Sicelo> any value to them other than 'limited edition'? (N950 I mean)
Feb 22 11:05:01 <bencoh> I guess you could try and use it as a daily driver, but ...
Feb 22 11:05:08 <DocScrutinizer05> OT: when behind a router with NAT, and forwarded ports = 10000..10010 plus ssh, how would this happen on the DEST device (which happens to be another router)?  [WAN_LOCAL-default-D]IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=44:d9:e7:9f:1d:df:24:65:11:be:02:dc:08:00 SRC=87.118.124.35 DST=192.168.178.22 LEN=76 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=58 ID=23942 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=123 DPT=123 LEN=56 
Feb 22 11:05:26 <bencoh> I kinda understood that some (most?) of the nemo devs were using n950 at some point
Feb 22 11:06:07 <DocScrutinizer05> they were the proto device for N9
Feb 22 11:06:21 <DocScrutinizer05> so *some* devels got a N950
Feb 22 11:07:00 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: nat changes dest address/port for net->lan packets and source address/port for lan->net packets
Feb 22 11:07:21 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: yep, that's understood
Feb 22 11:07:27 <bencoh> mac-related (layer2) questions aren't relevant here (they're not affected by nat but by basic routing)
Feb 22 11:08:07 <DocScrutinizer05> however SRC=87.118.124.35 tried to reach DST=192.168.178.22:123 which never been forwarded in the router
Feb 22 11:08:57 <bencoh> ?
Feb 22 11:09:26 <bencoh> there's a common pitfall with nat and "dmz"-like servers
Feb 22 11:09:37 <DocScrutinizer05> no DNZ
Feb 22 11:09:41 <bencoh> local computers can't join local dmz with public IP
Feb 22 11:09:55 <bencoh> be it dmz or single port forwarding
Feb 22 11:09:59 <bencoh> anyway, lunch time
Feb 22 11:10:11 <DocScrutinizer05> port 123 never been forwarded
Feb 22 11:10:56 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh NTP, that might explain it
Feb 22 11:11:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the DEST device might run a NTP (actually I'm pretty sure it does) and thus open a NAT session from external port $whatever to own port 123, which works both directions
Feb 22 11:14:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ns.km33237.keymachine.de = 87.118.124.35, wonder WTF that might be
Feb 22 11:16:10 <DocScrutinizer05> MEH!
Feb 22 11:16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/56118555
Feb 22 12:26:19 <Michael_a380> That facebook link wouldn't work for me... archived ok here... http://archive.is/KBhta
Feb 22 12:34:09 <Michael_a380> She put a price on if for 250US
Feb 22 12:34:22 <Michael_a380> *it (n950
Feb 22 12:40:58 <Michael_a380> *she said $US250 through PM
Feb 22 12:43:12 <parazyd> think it's worth it?
Feb 22 12:44:51 <Michael_a380> Oksanaa: tempting?  https://www.facebook.com/groups/NokiaN900Users/permalink/10155282546973322/   or  http://archive.is/KBhta
Feb 22 12:47:22 <Michael_a380> I don't suppose anyone knows a good way to figure out "Brazil's international shipping rules"?
Feb 22 12:47:58 <Michael_a380> issues with battery, maybe can't do airmail.
Feb 22 12:48:04 <Michael_a380> ?
Feb 22 12:49:59 <Michael_a380> I'll stay away from it, since I'm a noob.
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Feb 22 19:21:30 <freemangordon> guys, does anybody have a clue who creates /home/user/MyDocs/.camera folder?!? it is recreated after a reboot even if I delete it by hand
Feb 22 19:25:54 <DocScrutinizer05> hi freemangordon! wb! :-)
Feb 22 19:26:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, it's known to get recreated. Don't ask me by whom exactly, I'd *guess* by cameraui
Feb 22 19:27:26 <freemangordon> but, it is recreated only on my GFs device, I don't event have such dir on mine
Feb 22 19:28:09 <freemangordon> a mistery
Feb 22 19:29:12 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway you should be able to determine who recreates it by studying old (maybe Nokia internal, yeah sorry, I know) tickets, since IIRC it once had an upper/lower case issue and a owner+permissions issue too which borked stuff as soon as you had a non-FAT filesystem
Feb 22 19:30:14 <DocScrutinizer05> (mystery) check storage location settings. I *guess* it might not get recreated when you choose to store photos on uSD card
Feb 22 19:30:41 <freemangordon> it is still recreated
Feb 22 19:31:06 <DocScrutinizer05> weird. So which version does your GF run?
Feb 22 19:31:14 <freemangordon> BTW, the problem is that in file manager the "Camera" folder is empty, while there are tons of pictures in DCIM
Feb 22 19:31:34 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, terrible mess
Feb 22 19:31:34 <freemangordon> version of what? camera-ui2?
Feb 22 19:31:41 <DocScrutinizer05> system
Feb 22 19:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> how's that crap called? XDG?
Feb 22 19:33:09 * DocScrutinizer05 never really understoof what exactly it is and how it works, but it's related to .camera showing as Camera
Feb 22 19:33:37 <freemangordon> the same cssu-thumb as on my device
Feb 22 19:33:43 <freemangordon> re XDG - me neither
Feb 22 19:34:12 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-utils/
Feb 22 19:34:36 <freemangordon> the only related thing I can think of is that she has nokia-panorama installed
Feb 22 19:34:45 <DocScrutinizer05> don't get me wrong, I wouldn't dare to suggest *reading* that stuff
Feb 22 19:34:50 <freemangordon> :)
Feb 22 19:35:00 <freemangordon> I won;t
Feb 22 19:35:38 <freemangordon> oh, wait, those xdg-utils stuff is unrelated iiuc
Feb 22 19:35:49 <freemangordon> it is about MIME types etc
Feb 22 19:36:34 <DocScrutinizer05> all I know is it gets recreated during boot, and it once had an issue that it iirc been owned by root and 744 and was Uppercase, while the process writing (or trying to write) was "user" and expected a lowercase dirname - or vice versa
Feb 22 19:36:43 <Maxdamantus> If it's created by camera-ui, presumably you could remove it then killall camera-ui then see if it's recreated.
Feb 22 19:38:16 <DocScrutinizer05> there's one weirdly named (closed blob?) 'job' to restore factory settings or somesuch, which might be related
Feb 22 19:39:38 <Pali> freemangordon: /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh
Feb 22 19:39:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ((nokia-panorama)) never heard of. Maybe rename it so it can't get started during boottime?
Feb 22 19:39:50 <Pali> # create some special directories for user's partition
Feb 22 19:40:00 <Pali> mkdir -p "$NOKIA_CAMERA_DIR"
Feb 22 19:40:05 <DocScrutinizer05> HAH! Pali to the rescue
Feb 22 19:40:11 <Pali> mkdir -p $MP/$d
Feb 22 19:40:18 <Pali> for d in ... .camera ...
Feb 22 19:41:18 <Pali> I have rootfs_RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0.squashfs conerted from ubifs FIASCO rootfs image
Feb 22 19:41:29 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: did you cheat and simply use grep, or did you know off top of your head? ;-D
Feb 22 19:41:35 <Pali> so I can instantly loop-mount it on laptop and run grep on it
Feb 22 19:41:51 <DocScrutinizer05> :->
Feb 22 19:42:04 <Pali> it is the fastest way how to do it...
Feb 22 19:42:08 <Pali> less then 30s
Feb 22 19:43:48 <freemangordon> Pali: but, why it is not recreated on my device then?
Feb 22 19:44:02 <freemangordon> also, who sets NOKIA_CAMERA_DIR
Feb 22 19:44:08 <freemangordon> ke-recv?
Feb 22 19:44:26 <Pali> source "$USERDIRS"
Feb 22 19:44:33 <Pali> USERDIRS="/home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs"
Feb 22 19:44:43 <freemangordon> ah
Feb 22 19:45:05 <Pali> see content of that script
Feb 22 19:45:14 <Pali> that mkdir is called after some mmc-mount command
Feb 22 19:46:01 <Pali> look at that shit
Feb 22 19:46:20 <Pali> when mounting /media/mmc1 it creates camera dir
Feb 22 19:46:23 <freemangordon> Pali: this is it, my GFs device is missng that script
Feb 22 19:46:36 <Pali> so probably one device has uSD card and one not?
Feb 22 19:46:45 <freemangordon> both have
Feb 22 19:47:46 <freemangordon> seems somehow it got missing
Feb 22 19:48:05 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/55967950  http://paste.opensuse.org/61767136
Feb 22 19:49:08 <freemangordon> Pali: thanks a lot
Feb 22 19:49:24 <DocScrutinizer05> :-))
Feb 22 19:55:14 <Pali> anyway, now I see that dosfsck in stock maemo has special patches!
Feb 22 19:55:25 <Pali> which are not in cssu, because in cssu is dosfsck from upstream
Feb 22 19:55:36 <freemangordon> do we need those?
Feb 22 19:55:47 <Pali> there is e.g. special patch for time limited check
Feb 22 19:55:55 <Pali> fprintf(stderr,"  -m       Maemo addition: MBs to spare in the system under high threshold (default 0)\n");
Feb 22 19:55:55 <freemangordon> hmm
Feb 22 19:55:59 <Pali> fprintf(stderr,"  -T secs  Maemo addition: no-op time limited check for pointed duration\n");
Feb 22 19:56:47 <Pali> http://deriv.debian.net/Maemo/patches/d/dosfstools/
Feb 22 19:56:59 <Pali> here are Maemo patches: http://deriv.debian.net/Maemo/patches/d/dosfstools/dosfstools_3.0.1-1_dosfstools_3.0.1-1maemo6+0m5.debian.patch
Feb 22 19:57:57 <Pali>  fprintf(stderr,"  -I       Maemo addition: ignore trivial errors like 'Free Cluster Summary wrong'. Do not use with repair!\n");
Feb 22 19:58:09 <freemangordon> Pali: copying user-dirs.dirs from my device fixed it
Feb 22 19:58:15 <Pali> ok
Feb 22 19:59:09 <freemangordon> I guess some of those patches are already upstream
Feb 22 20:00:47 <freemangordon> wtf? why is osso-laog part of dosfsck?!?
Feb 22 20:01:23 <Pali> those are maemo specified patches
Feb 22 20:01:28 <freemangordon> of, and osso-mem
Feb 22 20:01:33 <Pali> I doubt they are part of upstream...
Feb 22 20:01:38 <freemangordon> ah, I see
Feb 22 20:01:54 <Pali> diff is between debian and maemo version
Feb 22 20:02:03 <Pali> so debian related patches are not shown
Feb 22 20:05:40 <freemangordon> Pali: anyway, GF says thanks to you, /me is going afk :)
Feb 22 20:06:03 <Sicelo> why isn't she using iPhone :)
Feb 22 20:10:16 <freemangordon> Sicelo: she replaced n950 for n900 ;)
Feb 22 20:10:38 <Sicelo> wut!
Feb 22 20:11:07 <freemangordon> also, she wouldn't be my GF if she is using iPhone
Feb 22 20:11:12 <freemangordon> anyway, I am afk
Feb 22 20:11:18 <Sicelo> \o
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