**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 29 03:00:03 2017 Mar 29 09:34:33 update about my battery issue: I have rebooted my router and guess what - uptime is 6 days now and there is 57% battery left; wifi on Mar 29 09:34:39 doh Mar 29 09:41:28 Sicelo: hi :) have you news about http://revelation.olasagasti.info/ for n900? :) Mar 29 10:16:43 totalizator: hehe Mar 29 10:23:50 http://devhumor.com/content/uploads/images/January2016/samsung-random.jpg Mar 29 10:23:55 oldie, but goldie Mar 29 10:26:36 lol Mar 29 10:35:44 ohwell and btw http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2016/5/4/11593084/dont-get-busted-copying-code-from-stack-overflow Mar 29 11:19:38 btw2 my android phone switches off when it decides it's too cold, WTH? Mar 29 11:20:00 chickenwussphone Mar 29 11:20:14 maybe some cold joint? Mar 29 11:20:25 and I mean it - last time I have left it by the opened window, it was like 5 C and it died Mar 29 11:20:38 did the battery die? Mar 29 11:20:45 nah Mar 29 11:21:00 it was like 30% after a powered it on again Mar 29 11:21:06 after I * Mar 29 11:22:56 at local magazine there was a test of android phones at -20. Results were from poor to useless Mar 29 11:23:14 but the phone itself has serious heat issues so this can be a side offect after a longer period of using Mar 29 11:23:25 was there an n900 in the test? Mar 29 11:23:37 nah Mar 29 11:23:41 I saw some image with variuous models to compare Mar 29 11:24:13 here http://images.pcworld.com/images/article/2012/02/cold20phone20tests20graphic_best-11078472.jpg Mar 29 11:24:26 hmm if i had working imgur plugin i could probably make a pics of test today ;) Mar 29 11:25:09 hah. Mar 29 11:27:19 nokia n9 has errores at -5C ? Mar 29 11:27:21 lol Mar 29 11:27:28 i recall testing being made by putting devices to freezer for some hours and then they tried to make call with it. HTC refused to work at all, untill it was kept at room temp for half an hour Mar 29 11:28:13 btw. tests should be done in the freezer too, because otherwise there will be water condensation everywhere inside Mar 29 11:30:10 "freezer" as cold storage Mar 29 11:37:15 my friend had a LG with broken digitizer that could be operated only after a few minutes in a freezer or when outside durig winter :3 Mar 29 11:38:29 some people have winter houses, he has winter phone Mar 29 11:55:56 lucky guy, yes Mar 29 11:57:29 hehe Mar 29 11:57:35 first allwinner clone? Mar 29 12:00:02 oops, ECHAN Mar 29 14:51:49 KotCzarny: looks like oscp is needed in sailfish land, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99208 Mar 29 14:52:06 yeah, but have you seen my reply? Mar 29 14:52:33 oh Mar 29 14:52:34 no. i see only three posts ... Mar 29 14:52:37 it's different thread Mar 29 14:52:41 ok Mar 29 14:52:46 someone recently asked about sf too Mar 29 14:53:14 do you know what audio system sf uses? Mar 29 14:53:22 nop Mar 29 14:53:24 :) Mar 29 14:53:33 if evilaudio they could try oscp core + oscp-remote.py Mar 29 14:53:34 PA most likely, Mar 29 14:53:54 probably PA yeah Mar 29 14:54:02 it might even work without any change needed (though version for n900 has a few n900 specific hacks) Mar 29 14:54:42 someone please let vahe know that i will not be working on revelation :-) Mar 29 15:03:33 freemangordon: going to install devuan on a few n900s tonight :) I also hope to start with a manual repo for now - so building all the packages and making a custom deb repo Mar 29 15:03:40 it's not too hard, I've done it before... Mar 29 15:05:00 ah, how that going Wizzup ? Mar 29 15:24:39 Wizzup, what device do you use for building? Mar 29 15:24:50 or QEMU? Mar 29 15:26:24 Zungo: more info later, if there is things to report on Mar 29 15:26:30 NotKit: for building what Mar 29 15:26:49 ARM packages Mar 29 15:27:04 my work laptop is arm Mar 29 15:27:11 heh Mar 29 15:27:15 Lucky man Mar 29 15:27:20 is Chromebook? Mar 29 15:27:20 it's a cheap chromebook Mar 29 15:27:37 been running gentoo on it for a good 2, maybe 3, years Mar 29 15:28:52 bbiab. Mar 29 15:29:16 I have spare arm hw if people need it. Can set up a container or something. Mar 29 15:29:32 Soon, for work, I'll have access to an AMD Opteron A1100 Mar 29 15:29:34 (that's arm) Mar 29 15:29:41 that might speed up things a lot Mar 29 15:38:13 hi vahe. i regret that i'll probably disappoint you - i am not a dev, and cannot work on revelation for you Mar 29 15:39:26 Sicelo: thanks for the response, what's the problem I don't understand :) Mar 29 15:39:52 problem is that i am not a programmer :) Mar 29 15:40:04 this is a very good alternatives for storing passwords :( Mar 29 15:40:52 and can someone can help it's for everyone and not a bad program? Mar 29 15:41:01 seen pwsafe? Mar 29 15:41:10 does Maemo have KeePass? Mar 29 15:41:40 NotKit: iirc that one had serious UI issues .. no idea if they were ever fixed. Mar 29 15:42:51 Sicelo: yes but the nice thing is ,when you use that on the computer and on the phone :) Mar 29 15:43:21 KotCzarny: I was just curious and tried oscp on sfos but without success. I have only: Could not open file msg. Mar 29 15:43:27 NotKit: keepassx but I have a lot of problems , then very heavy as it is QT Mar 29 15:44:04 keepassx is from 2011 Mar 29 15:44:19 Revelation gtk is very small and can be easily used in N900 Mar 29 15:44:58 http://revelation.olasagasti.info/ Mar 29 15:45:00 revelation seems old too .. Mar 29 15:45:53 anyway, might even need a lot of adaptation - pygtk2.8. we have 2.12 Mar 29 15:46:09 NotKit: https://lut.im/fp9Yn6gJof/mm4o7tMbsfMYdFmf.png Mar 29 15:46:24 NotKit: 2. https://lut.im/eU8kgqzXIg/gVyfzGkxsMyaC1V4.png Mar 29 15:46:45 and 3 https://lut.im/YL4yvts0FQ/9EJ4uJNbGYSRbN4f.png :) Mar 29 15:48:01 revelation also now is not updated development stopped , but it doesn't matter :) Mar 29 15:48:39 we have a chance to launch the program which is created only for Linux , i.e. this program will only we have a N900 and Linux Mar 29 15:48:41 :P Mar 29 15:48:56 it's cool Mar 29 15:49:51 so much qt lib ... can't simply run without bugs :D Mar 29 15:49:56 keepassx Mar 29 15:51:02 the same might be true of GTK :) Mar 29 15:51:22 naah, oscp-remote-gtk is almost bugless ;) Mar 29 15:52:32 probably :P Mar 29 15:53:56 no one wants to help :) ? Mar 29 15:57:49 if someone will help I'm willing to do the translation into 2 languages the program or something , I translate, Armenian Russian Mar 29 15:57:51 :D Mar 29 15:58:20 good for good Mar 29 15:58:44 might have more luck if you promise them N950 ;) Mar 29 16:02:17 Sicelo: I never seen this phone :D Mar 29 16:02:55 once saw someone was selling in eBay )) Mar 29 16:03:21 it's a white crow of the maemo world ;) Mar 29 16:03:34 yup ) Mar 29 16:03:51 but Maemo 6 is the same right? MeeGo Mar 29 16:04:17 I used MeeGo , not as cool as Maemo 5 Mar 29 16:04:20 not really Mar 29 16:04:29 where did you use MeeGo? Mar 29 16:04:39 n9 Mar 29 16:05:58 nokia n9 :) Mar 29 16:06:23 but there I did not like that for example no pidgin Mar 29 16:06:28 or tor Mar 29 16:07:07 tbh, meego UI has always seemed better that the maemo5 one to me ... Mar 29 16:07:31 "better" as in more user-friendly for a daily phone Mar 29 16:08:14 plain MeeGo or Harmattan? Mar 29 16:08:39 meego/harmattan ... I'm only talking about the UI/UX Mar 29 16:08:53 that's why i ask :) Mar 29 16:08:54 not about the OS as a whole Mar 29 16:09:09 because N9 UI was different to the plain MeeGo one, iirc Mar 29 16:09:32 indeed Mar 29 16:09:45 so which one you're referring to .. Mar 29 16:10:00 the one powering the Nokia N9 Mar 29 16:11:41 to be honest, and MeeGo and Maemo is for me the best OS for phone , and symbian :) Mar 29 16:12:33 Yes, Nokia good beat and created operating system source code Mar 29 16:13:19 who would have thought that after so many years of closing may we'll talk about it :) Mar 29 16:13:59 this is my friends "free OS" Mar 29 16:15:31 when I bought new N900 about 3 weeks ago for big money may the wife thought I was paranoid :D Mar 29 16:16:15 https://spyurk.am/posts/2477759 that :D Mar 29 16:16:53 who says you're not? haha Mar 29 16:17:14 :P Mar 29 16:17:20 you bought two? Mar 29 16:18:46 I know almost everything about blackberry 4-6 or 10 , android,ios ,nothing compares to Maemo ) Mar 29 16:18:51 Sicelo: now they are 2 :) Mar 29 16:19:14 both new so that 10 years will be able to use if I'm careful :) Mar 29 16:22:13 the night I went to bed ) happy to chat with you Mar 29 16:22:31 I'll be here if anything Mar 29 16:24:58 https://spyurk.am/posts/2466523 this I :P Mar 29 16:43:33 the text is very funny to look at Mar 29 16:43:35 :-) Mar 29 16:45:20 https://spyurk.am/people/63fce2a7df46a5f0 norayr? rings a bell Mar 29 16:46:32 what the heck is that?? >միջազգային բառ<< Mar 29 16:50:15 LOL https://spyurk.am/posts/2479854 Mar 29 19:31:34 Wizzup, did you build the packages by hand or there is something to automate this? Mar 29 19:37:25 NotKit: I want to automate it, but it is not automated atm. So I'm going to re-do what I did before, in a devuan VM, and take full notes, and turn that into a shell script initially Mar 29 19:37:36 and then when devuan amprolla works, we will piggy back on their CI Mar 29 19:39:26 I have very stupid command list to build on x86 VM if this can be helpful Mar 29 19:40:50 😉 Mar 29 19:42:02 https://pastebin.com/bKNTudh0 Mar 29 19:43:36 sorry, pasted wrong - https://pastebin.com/GeFEiTFy Mar 29 19:45:13 NotKit: very helpful! Mar 29 19:47:55 NotKit: do we need to fetch all those debs from maemo-repos? Mar 29 19:48:00 To build the essential packages? Mar 29 19:49:59 they are needed to install them, otherwise dpkg will complain Mar 29 19:54:39 Pali: ping Mar 29 19:54:49 freemangordon: pong Mar 29 19:55:17 Pali: is it possible to use dkms to patch a driver in the current kernel? Mar 29 19:55:44 with dkms you can easily compile new kernel module Mar 29 19:55:56 I am hit by a "inverted microphone" bug, and a quirk needs to be applied to the intel hda drver Mar 29 19:56:16 in case driver for the current kernel is via module (and not compiled in vmlinuz image), then yes Mar 29 19:56:44 but, do i need to get the whole driver code? Mar 29 19:57:08 or I can simply provide a .patch file in dkms package? Mar 29 19:58:39 Pali: ^^^ ? Mar 29 19:58:54 you need whole driver code Mar 29 19:59:09 dkms is just script which call make Mar 29 19:59:17 and copy .ko files in /lib/modules/ Mar 29 19:59:29 ok, thanks Mar 29 20:04:10 Pali: did you ever do such thing for ubuntu kernel? do I get it right - I have to apt-get source the kernel, then run debian/rules patch, copy the driver in question code as dkms module and patch it? Mar 29 20:04:25 yes, I did it Mar 29 20:04:39 but I just copied module source code directly from git.kernel.org Mar 29 20:04:46 ah Mar 29 20:04:50 and then created dkms archive Mar 29 20:05:02 but it will be missing the patches from ubuntu Mar 29 20:05:15 ok, going to try my way Mar 29 20:05:16 I just did it for one module Mar 29 20:05:32 yes, one module is what I need, but nevertheless it has ubuntu patches Mar 29 20:05:52 then get ubuntu source code Mar 29 20:06:01 and apply patches Mar 29 20:06:06 and compile/create dkms Mar 29 20:06:13 should work too Mar 29 20:06:31 you just need source files (and it does not matter from where you get them) Mar 29 20:10:54 NotKit: but are they build time deps? Mar 29 20:12:56 NotKit: ah, they are just translationsa Mar 29 20:13:17 Pali: seems patches in ubuntu kernal are already applied, at least there is no debian/patches directory Mar 29 20:13:21 *kernel Mar 29 20:13:31 that is possible Mar 29 20:13:38 Wizzup, they are runtime deps of packages which are themselves build time deps Mar 29 20:13:46 yeah, I just realised Mar 29 20:13:48 and also now unpacking dsc package automatically apply all patches Mar 29 20:14:13 so after dpkg-source -x you should have source directory with all patches ready Mar 29 20:16:00 well, I did apt-get source, but it should be the same Mar 29 20:41:03 NotKit: good stuff Mar 29 20:42:06 note that there were some small issues during compiling which I didn't try to account for Mar 29 20:44:51 ack Mar 29 22:27:54 Hello, is anybody available who may explain to me a couple of things about system images, in connection with the N900? Mar 29 22:38:43 We've tested the devuan image a bit, wifi should now work by default, and figured out some evdev ts stuff (instead of using tslib) Mar 29 22:39:09 freemangordon: amprolla is estimated to be ready for our usage in 2 weeks (cc parazyd) Mar 29 22:39:39 yeah, there was talk about do/don't rewrite it from scratch Mar 29 22:39:42 but i have to Mar 29 22:40:05 the one running is not written by programmers and it's a mess tbh Mar 29 22:41:02 there is also some talk about gitlab deprecation, but i don't know much yet Mar 29 22:41:09 the ci (jenkins) stays in place though Mar 29 22:42:14 also good progress today, if anyone needs a devuan image, here goes: https://pub.parazyd.cf/tmp/ Mar 29 22:51:55 Sorry for my ignorance, but I still don't understand the difference between initrd and rootfs - I mean, the flasher may upload kernels, initrd's and rootfs's. Now in order to boot rescue OS I have to upload the first two. I did that successfully. But if one wants to boot any chosen Linux distro, first thing is to build kernel and file system, and then upload the zImage for the kernel, but what for the file system? Is Mar 29 22:51:55 it correct to create a disk image containing the system tree and upload that? Mar 29 23:02:30 "rootfs" usually refers to a root filesystem lying open on top of some kind of blockdevice Mar 29 23:03:29 initrd/initramfs usually refer to some file hierarchy archive that is loaded by kernel at early boot stage in lieu of a root "fs" Mar 29 23:03:56 either by loading it as a ramdisk, or as a tmpfs in which it is extracted Mar 29 23:05:17 some (so-called live) systems run entirely from an initramfs, with no rootfs lying on any blockdevice Mar 29 23:05:55 and some system boot directly from a blockdevice (specified by root=) with no initrd/initramfs Mar 29 23:23:21 Enrico_Menotti: if you do create a filesystem image that you intend to upload using flasher, it should probably be in ubifs rather than something like ext*. Mar 29 23:23:56 I think ubifs has userspace tools for creating such images from a directory. Mar 29 23:25:54 as bencoh pretty much said, initrd/initramfs is a filesystem that just exists in RAM; Linux is told about the address it's in as it loads, and it might copy the contents somewhere else into RAM before running init. Mar 29 23:27:43 if you instead just specify root=, it will try to mount that as a normal filesystem (so it's up to the usual filesystem drivers (ext4, btrfs, ubifs)) to figure out how to present the filesystem. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 30 03:00:01 2017