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May 07 04:54:25 <Oksanaa> What's the way to capture a screenshot when gstreamer is involved? Usual ways do not cut it, because it's gstreamer. I have an awareness of gst-launch, but no idea about finding appropriate src.
May 07 04:55:39 <Oksanaa> Aka, taking screenshot of camera's frozen view-finder since the camera didn't manage to save the photo to file. And asking the person to sit for a photo, a second time is... awkward.
May 07 05:02:35 <Oksanaa> Like, I got a nice picture of viewfinder's corners with ximagesrc or something, but on purely black background. There viewfinder's rendering of photograph remains an elusive src.
May 07 05:05:38 <Oksanaa> Is photograph-ing the display with another camera really the only solution? I have not much battery left.
May 07 05:08:22 <Maxdamantus> I just take screenshots using `scrot` inside my debian chroot.
May 07 05:09:55 <Maxdamantus> You should also be able to use scrot/import over a X11 over ssh.
May 07 05:10:26 <Maxdamantus> so should be able to `ssh -X` from maemo to another machine and run scrot/import there.
May 07 05:12:54 <Maxdamantus> http://maxdamantus.eu.org/maemosshscrot.png
May 07 05:13:15 <Oksanaa> Ssh -X, done. Import, exists. What to do with it?
May 07 05:13:52 <Maxdamantus> I think you just run `import foo.png`
May 07 05:14:04 <Maxdamantus> and it will save the image as `foo.png` in the current directory (on the host you've sshed to)
May 07 05:14:36 <Maxdamantus> Looking at that picture of mine .. why do I put up with this horrible font rendering?
May 07 05:14:47 * Maxdamantus doesn't usually see things that terrible on his main display.
May 07 05:16:03 <Maxdamantus> Oh, in your case you'd probably do something like `sleep 2 && import foo.png`, then switch to the camera-ui window before the sleep exits.
May 07 05:16:49 <Oksanaa> Yes :-)  Which app to use to preview png?
May 07 05:17:13 <Oksanaa> Heard about sleep from https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Take_a_picture_with_front_camera
May 07 05:17:36 <Maxdamantus> I use scrot (on both maemo and other systems)
May 07 05:17:43 <Maxdamantus> er, sxiv*
May 07 05:18:27 <Maxdamantus> but the image should just end up on the host you ran `import` on, not on maemo.
May 07 05:18:31 <Oksanaa> Sxiv... Not installed. What's the one on KDE Debian? Gsomething
May 07 05:18:37 <Maxdamantus> so you'd just use whatever you normally use to look at PNGs.
May 07 05:18:49 <Maxdamantus> Presumably if you have a web browser installed you could just use that.
May 07 05:19:07 <Oksanaa> Don't want to mess up firefox session of tabs.
May 07 05:20:24 <Oksanaa> Let's see how konqueror works out for previewing a png.
May 07 05:20:51 <Maxdamantus> you might also try `showimage`, if that's installed.
May 07 05:21:08 <Maxdamantus> I think that comes with sdl-image, but iirc it's not there on Debian.
May 07 05:21:20 <Oksanaa> Okay, minimalistic capture done. No idea how to get rid of viewfinder overlays. And probably 800x480 resolution. ..
May 07 05:22:22 <Oksanaa> Would still appreciate gst-launch capture from frozen view-finder. But not much battery left.
May 07 05:22:41 <Maxdamantus> I suspect the 800×480 problem will only be solved by taking a memory dump and trying to extract the image from that.
May 07 05:23:36 <Oksanaa> Probably. No idea if a gstreamer sink, src or bin offers high resolution picture. It may well be that view-finder remembers only screen-res.
May 07 05:24:38 <Maxdamantus> You should probably at least make sure to get that memory dump before it runs out of battery.
May 07 05:25:06 <Maxdamantus> something like `gcore foo.bin` once you've attached to camera-ui using `gdb --pid 1234`
May 07 05:25:58 <Maxdamantus> but it might be tricky to get the image out of it, if it's possible at all.
May 07 06:54:58 <Oksanaa> Yo, good idea for next time. This time, I am just glad that screenshot was made. Gdb should be run on N900, and gcore can be run on a different computer? 
May 07 06:55:57 <bencoh> you can use gdbserver on n900 and gdb on a remote computer
May 07 06:56:27 <Oksanaa> Thank you. Should figure out what's the problem with camera that it freezes at times. Sometimes, two cameras are visible in window-switcher at the same time.
May 07 07:36:56 <Maxdamantus> gcore is a command in gdb to save a core dump.
May 07 07:38:07 <Maxdamantus> The simple thing to do is to just run gdb locally and in that local session run gcore so you can inspect it later.
May 07 15:47:10 <Vajb> Oksana: happens for me too from time to time. No idea why.
May 07 16:14:31 <DocScrutinizer05> syslog is your friend, I'm afraid
May 07 16:15:07 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc camera failures are from some kernel module
May 07 16:15:34 <DocScrutinizer05> resp the closed blob userland libs that replace proper kernel modules for camera
May 07 16:18:48 <DocScrutinizer05> omap_previewer_hack omap34xxcam_mod videodev board_rx51_camera et al, plus the userland stuff that uses it, like /usr/sbin/omap3camd
May 07 16:22:21 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL  http://elinux.org/images/2/28/Elce11_pinchart.pdf
May 07 16:23:21 <bencoh> Shit that's the 2nd time I see that name today already (after seeing it quite a few times during the past weeks as well)
May 07 16:24:44 <bencoh> xkcd 844 <3
May 07 16:29:26 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1397155#post1397155
May 07 16:31:49 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: "you can either hang out in the Android loop or the Hurd loop" ;-P
May 07 16:32:14 <DocScrutinizer05> guess which is which ;-)
May 07 16:41:01 * L29Ah picks multi-track drifting
May 07 18:53:15 <Enrico_Menotti> Hi. I thought I could start learning some things about Hildon. After a bit of googling, I decided to begin with the GTK+ libraries. So I'm trying to compile them on Devuan. I'm reading here: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-building.html. I'm encountering many issues, solved a bunch of them, but now I'm stuck at a certain point. Let me report what I'm doing so far.
May 07 18:55:15 <Sicelo009N> you'll have to read up on what Android_808 and freemangordon are doing ... there's a thread on tmo
May 07 18:56:32 <Enrico_Menotti> Yes, I know they're doing something. Since I don't know the basics yet, I thought I could try first on the laptop, without thinking about the N900 for now.
May 07 18:56:53 <Enrico_Menotti> (Although I don't know which thread exactly you refer to.)
May 07 18:57:38 <Sicelo009N> you'll probably want to start with gtk2 if your aim is Hildon
May 07 18:58:31 <Enrico_Menotti> Maybe http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96800?
May 07 18:59:04 <Sicelo009N> yes
May 07 18:59:52 <Sicelo009N> or maybe no need for GTK2 :-)
May 07 19:00:11 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok. So I admit I'm still orienting in this topic. What is the difference between gtk+ and gtk2?
May 07 19:02:52 <Sicelo009N> none .. gtk2 and gtk3 are just different versions of gtk(+)
May 07 19:05:08 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok. I started by cloning this: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+. On the page about gtk building that I linked above, they say to run ./configure. So the first problem is that this script does not exist. Instead, I found autogen.sh, which seems to create configure and execute it. Then a make successfully starts the build.
May 07 19:08:10 <Enrico_Menotti> Now the newest versions of gtk+ require libraries which seem not to be available on Devuan Jessie, at least not in the required version. So I checked out a previous branch, gtk-3-14. This allows the build process to go fairly ahead.
May 07 19:09:09 <Sicelo009N> i guess that's where you need fmg/android_808 
May 07 19:10:51 <Enrico_Menotti> What do you propose to do? Asking here is not the right way? Should I post on that thread? (Yes, I didn't read all the thread yet, but my present knowledge is so small that I couldn't understand many things.) 
May 07 19:11:35 <Sicelo009N> i'm sure they can help you here when they are online
May 07 19:12:06 <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, so I'd report some more details, ok?
May 07 19:13:34 <Enrico_Menotti> (I see freemangordon online - maybe he will read later.)
May 07 19:14:31 <Enrico_Menotti> I got the following error from the linker:
May 07 19:14:35 <Enrico_Menotti>  /bin/sed: can't read /usr/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.la: No such file or directory
May 07 19:15:05 <Enrico_Menotti> This seems to be triggered by the linking process of libgdk-3.la.
May 07 19:15:56 <Enrico_Menotti> So after some googling I found this: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679409 and this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732668.
May 07 19:15:58 <povbot> 04Bug 679409: was not found.
May 07 19:17:10 <Enrico_Menotti> (Also https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2012-July/msg02309.html.)
May 07 19:20:31 <Enrico_Menotti> If I got it right, gtk+ has a behaviour (linking against .la files) which seems to be deprecated (based on the Debian bug report above.)
May 07 19:22:06 <Enrico_Menotti> That's it. Any suggestion is well accepted. :)
May 07 20:14:24 <sicelo> any way to adjust font size on N900's xterm? (not osso-xterm)
May 07 20:27:10 <Enrico_Menotti> sicelo You mean the stock xterm? With that, I have managed to get bigger fonts. Don't remember how...
May 07 20:29:55 <sicelo> not XTerminal - rather, if you install `xterm` from repos
May 07 20:40:28 <bencoh> sicelo: yup
May 07 20:41:47 <bencoh> sicelo: I use popup-menu(fontMenu) in a transition mapped to Ctrl+button1
May 07 20:42:01 <bencoh> s/transition/translation/
May 07 20:42:01 <infobot> bencoh meant: sicelo: I use popup-menu(fontMenu) in a translation mapped to Ctrl+button1
May 07 20:42:18 <sicelo> greek to me :)
May 07 20:42:22 <sicelo> what's button1?
May 07 20:42:34 <bencoh> mouse
May 07 20:42:44 <sicelo> N900?
May 07 20:42:52 <bencoh> touchscreen for n900 ;)
May 07 20:43:10 <bencoh> I guess I should just publish that .Xdefaults of mine
May 07 20:43:25 <sicelo> thanks. that will help
May 07 20:43:44 <sicelo> oh i see see what you mean :P
May 07 20:43:53 <ceene> sslayer@collins:~$ cat .Xresources 
May 07 20:43:53 <ceene> XTerm*saveLines: 4096
May 07 20:43:53 <ceene> XTerm*foreground: rgb:b2/b2/b2
May 07 20:43:53 <ceene> XTerm*background: rgb:08/08/08
May 07 20:43:53 <ceene> XTerm*font: 10x20
May 07 20:43:55 <ceene> UXTerm*saveLines: 4096
May 07 20:43:58 <ceene> UXTerm*foreground: rgb:b2/b2/b2
May 07 20:44:00 <ceene> UXTerm*background: rgb:08/08/08
May 07 20:44:03 <ceene> UXTerm*font: 10x20
May 07 20:44:14 <sicelo> hey ceene! long time
May 07 20:44:19 <ceene> yeah!
May 07 20:44:19 <ceene> :)
May 07 20:44:24 <ceene> sorry gotta go now to sleep
May 07 20:44:34 <ceene> just had a look and saw something i could help with :)
May 07 20:44:42 <sicelo> yappari? :D
May 07 20:44:46 <ceene> lol
May 07 20:44:52 <ceene> your xterm question :P
May 07 20:44:53 <bencoh> :]
May 07 20:44:58 <ceene> i wish...
May 07 20:45:04 <ceene> it's been months since i last used my n900 :(
May 07 20:45:13 <bencoh> aww :(
May 07 20:45:15 <sicelo> err
May 07 20:45:22 <ceene> i'm more involved now with the neo900, but sadly it's been long weeks too since ahycka or I could spend time on it
May 07 20:46:05 <ceene> i hope in a week or two we'll have a little more free time
May 07 20:46:16 <ceene> i'll try to spend more time around here too, i still love you all :P
May 07 20:46:42 <ceene> well, gotta go!
May 07 20:46:43 <ceene> cya!
May 07 20:46:53 <bencoh> :)
May 07 20:51:47 <bencoh> sicelo: http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/Xdefaults
May 07 20:55:36 <sicelo> thanks bencoh. to make that work, i need to reboot N900?
May 07 20:59:51 <sicelo> ah i see it works right away. but my font sizes don't change one bit :-/
May 07 21:00:14 <sicelo> i can see the menu, and currently set to Large. Even when I choose Huge, size remains the same
May 07 21:01:23 <Enrico_Menotti> sicelo Ehm... I realise I don't understand the difference between X Terminal, osso-xterm and xterm. From some googling, I've seen X Terminal = osso-xterm, if I'm right, and that's what comes with stock Maemo. But what about xterm? (Sorry for my ignorance.) :)
May 07 21:02:48 <sicelo> you can install xterm from repos. works exactly like on your pc :)
May 07 21:03:42 <bencoh> sicelo: it works here
May 07 21:04:31 <bencoh> I wonder which font you're using (I used fixed) ... I dunno whether it works (or works the same way) with truetype/freetype fonts
May 07 21:08:17 <sicelo> http://paste.debian.net/931229/ - what i get when i start xterm
May 07 21:13:19 <Sicelo009N> never dabbled in xfonts before. but i think i can troubleshoot this one
May 07 21:28:30 <Enrico_Menotti> sicelo I had to search for a while, but I eventually found xterm in the extras repository. But no documentation?
May 07 21:35:13 <sicelo> man pages you mean? Maemo does not have them :)
May 07 21:35:53 <sicelo> to save space evidently (although you can install a man page application .. not sure what it does exactly)
May 07 21:37:05 <bencoh> sicelo: right, I had to add misc to my x11 font path
May 07 21:37:58 <bencoh> xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc should be enough
May 07 21:38:27 <bencoh> (you can also change your xorg conf, but... do one single mistake there and maemo will fail to boot)
May 07 21:39:28 <bencoh> (and I had to add misc/fixed fonts to n900 since I don't think they're packaged in maemo)
May 07 21:39:37 <bencoh> or you could probably try using a different fontset
May 07 21:39:50 <sicelo> i definitely don't have /usr/share/fonts/X11/
May 07 21:40:10 <sicelo> maemo sometimes ... :)
May 07 21:40:22 <bencoh> mine are built from the iso10646/utf8 fixed font set
May 07 21:40:41 <bencoh> you can probably copy it from (pretty much) any system running Xorg
May 07 21:40:41 <sicelo> copied from pc?
May 07 21:40:46 <sicelo> ah yes
May 07 21:41:08 <bencoh> I might have built it from source a long time ago, but yes
May 07 21:58:59 <sicelo> bencoh: there is xfonts-base which seems to contain them .. 8MB on rootfs though
May 07 22:32:41 <bencoh> you can always add a symlink I suppose (hope?)
May 07 23:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> manpages? 
May 07 23:47:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
May 07 23:47:58 <infobot> i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
May 07 23:49:11 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#proper_bash_and_tools
May 07 23:49:53 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-get install man-db-n900
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