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May 11 09:11:53 <sixwheeledbeast> HAM has had updates as part of CSSU
May 11 09:11:58 <sixwheeledbeast> ~speedyHAM
May 11 09:11:59 <infobot> SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb.  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now
May 11 09:15:15 <sixwheeledbeast> listkeys speedyHAM
May 11 09:15:27 <sixwheeledbeast> ~listkeys speedyham
May 11 09:15:29 <infobot> Factoid search of 'speedyham' by key (1): speedyham.
May 11 09:17:30 <sixwheeledbeast> speedyham
May 11 09:17:35 <sixwheeledbeast> ~speedyham
May 11 09:17:36 <infobot> [speedyham] 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU.
May 11 09:18:04 <sixwheeledbeast> I am not awake today...
May 11 10:42:29 <sicelo> i don't know about 30 times
May 11 11:00:05 <sixwheeledbeast> *Disclaimer - results may vary
May 11 11:01:18 <sixwheeledbeast> It is considerably faster at most tasks
May 11 12:21:44 <sicelo> :)
May 11 14:54:00 <DocScrutinizer05> 30 times is what I measured in my (arguably fsckup) repo config
May 11 14:54:17 <DocScrutinizer05> actually IIRC it was >30, like 32 or somesuch
May 11 14:54:53 <DocScrutinizer05> reduced loading time form 16 minutes to 30s IIRC
May 11 14:54:58 <DocScrutinizer05> from*
May 11 14:55:42 <DocScrutinizer05> of course when you get a loading time of only 2 minutes with old dog slow HAM, your overhead in runtime will spoil the speedup ratio
May 11 14:58:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo speedyham
May 11 14:58:07 <infobot> speedyham -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Mar 13 22:28:34 2014 (1154 days); last modified 5h 40m 50s ago  by sixwheeledbeast!~zem@2a01:4f8:c17:101::2; it has been requested 54 times, last by sixwheeledbeast, 5h 40m 31s ago.
May 11 14:59:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal speedyham
May 11 14:59:33 <infobot> "speedyham" is "30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU."
May 11 15:00:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys speedyham
May 11 15:00:04 <infobot> Factoid search of 'speedyham' by key (1): speedyham.
May 11 15:00:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~unforget speedyham
May 11 15:00:31 <infobot> cannot undeleted 'speedyham' because it already exists!, DocScrutinizer05
May 11 16:36:50 <freemangordon> parazyd: Wizzup: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1527920&postcount=173
May 11 16:36:59 <freemangordon> how's amprolla going?
May 11 16:48:38 <Wizzup> freemangordon: sweet @ thread!
May 11 16:48:55 <Wizzup> freemangordon: it's ... going. I am going to work on it tonight and see if I can get done what parazyd asked me to finish
May 11 16:49:10 <Wizzup> I don't know how far we are from a working amprolla2 then, but I hope not far.
May 11 17:02:39 <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. Does anybody know where the X11 settings are, on Maemo?
May 11 17:03:51 <bencoh> in /etc/X11/ afaict
May 11 17:05:12 <Enrico_Menotti> There's an xorg.conf there, but no settings for the touchscreen.
May 11 17:12:33 <Wizzup> Enrico_Menotti: we told you how to do it
May 11 17:12:37 <Wizzup> on mainline
May 11 17:12:41 <Wizzup> use xinput to configure it
May 11 17:12:50 <Wizzup> I did it a couple of weeks ago on parazyd's device, or on my own, I do not recall
May 11 17:13:13 <Wizzup> unless you want to use the tslib driver, then there's a tool to configure it
May 11 17:13:20 <Wizzup> but tslib is deprecated/dead
May 11 17:13:42 <Enrico_Menotti> Wizzup You mean the link at http://blog.rot13.org/2013/12/touch-screen-configuration-using-xinput.html?
May 11 17:14:43 <Enrico_Menotti> The problem is: 1. Settings are not permanent; 2. How to find the exact values for calibration?
May 11 17:14:45 <Wizzup> yes. you can set all relevant callibration options using xinput
May 11 17:14:59 <Wizzup> there is a program to get those, I think shipped with xinput even
May 11 17:15:07 <Wizzup> as for permanent, make a script and have it auto run
May 11 17:15:35 <Enrico_Menotti> Well, I wanted to put settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
May 11 17:15:49 <Enrico_Menotti> And for the calibration, I got settings heuristically.
May 11 17:15:59 <Enrico_Menotti> Now I'd like to find the correct values.
May 11 17:16:54 <Wizzup> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Calibrating_Touchscreen
May 11 17:17:01 <Wizzup> http://blog.rot13.org/2013/12/touch-screen-configuration-using-xinput.html
May 11 17:17:16 <Enrico_Menotti> Right now I'm booting Maemo. I went in /tmp. There's an Xorg.0.log. At the end, I find reported the "Calibration factors".
May 11 17:17:22 <Enrico_Menotti> Are those?
May 11 17:17:30 <Enrico_Menotti> (For the touchpad limits.)
May 11 17:17:35 <Wizzup> the blog post linked to you initially tells you to run evtest
May 11 17:17:37 <Wizzup> and just note down the events
May 11 17:17:43 <Wizzup> it literally tells you how to callibrate :) 
May 11 17:17:52 <Wizzup> maemo values may be way off.
May 11 17:17:57 <Wizzup> different driver, 7year old kernel.
May 11 17:18:23 <Wizzup> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xinput_calibrator/
May 11 17:19:29 <Enrico_Menotti> This last link is very interesting. I will read over it.
May 11 17:19:37 <Enrico_Menotti> Thanks.
May 11 17:21:12 <Wizzup> ..
May 11 17:21:17 <Wizzup> I think the rot13 one is the most interesting one
May 11 17:21:20 <Wizzup> it literally tells you how to do it
May 11 17:22:47 <Enrico_Menotti> Yes, it does. I already followed it yesterday, successfully. But I'm trying to calibrate precisely (well, if that's even possible...).
May 11 17:27:46 <Wizzup> Enrico_Menotti: maemo callibrates it by having you press red buttons on the corner
May 11 17:28:28 <Enrico_Menotti> Ah. I never did it.
May 11 17:29:00 <Enrico_Menotti> I re-flashed my N900, but after that only the locale, date and time setting screen appeared.
May 11 17:36:51 <Enrico_Menotti> Well, right now I tried by copying the settings from Maemo, and they're absolutely perfect. 172 3880 3780 235.
May 11 20:05:14 <Enrico_Menotti> I have installed gtk2 over X over Devuan on the N900. Works. Nice demo. Interesting. :)
May 11 20:07:34 <sicelo> still want to try android? ;)
May 11 20:11:39 <Enrico_Menotti> Well, don't know, really.
May 11 20:11:57 <Wizzup> running android on a n900 makes no sense
May 11 20:29:39 <Enrico_Menotti> Maybe an Android in a box? Just to have access to apps...
May 11 20:54:02 <DocScrutinizer05> why not a cray in a box?
May 11 20:54:43 <DocScrutinizer05> TARDIS: a whole skyscraper in a phone booth
May 11 21:19:40 <DocScrutinizer05> sarcasm aside, android systems tend to need at least 1GB of RAM nowadays, and simulating that via swapped virtual memory in a VM won't help make apps running in such "box" more responsive
May 11 22:06:20 <freemangordon> Enrico_Menotti: you've installed which gtk2?
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