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May 15 05:24:01 <Oksana> Okay, ongoing puzzle: Orecchiette records audio in either Wav or AAC. Neither of them supports metadata, as far as I know. How do I convert AAC files to something else (with metadata readable by tracker?) without losing quality? I see tracker-extractor- for flac (lossless), vorbis (lossy) and mod (league of its own). Would it make sense to convert 
May 15 05:24:01 <Oksana> AAC to Vorbis [would it be possible without losing data]? Or would it be sufficient to encapsulate AAC inside Ogg [or MP4 or something] container?
May 15 05:32:17 <Maxdamantus> You can't convert to another lossy codec without losing data.
May 15 05:32:21 <Maxdamantus> Practically.
May 15 05:33:05 <KotCzarny> cant you just glue id3v1 tag onto aac files?
May 15 05:33:17 <KotCzarny> some players allow that
May 15 05:33:43 <Maxdamantus> You probably wouldn't encapsulate AAC in Ogg, dunno if that's possible.
May 15 05:34:04 <Maxdamantus> But inside MP4 is pretty standard. That's what "m4a" is.
May 15 05:34:10 <freemangordon> Maxdamantus: what about converting to flac and the to whatever format?
May 15 05:34:33 <KotCzarny> or just hack tracker-extractor to support aac metadata
May 15 05:35:08 <Maxdamantus> freemangordon: well, flac is lossless so no indformation lost there, but you lose information when going to a lessy codec.
May 15 05:35:30 <freemangordon> ah, you mean on the second conversion
May 15 05:35:33 <freemangordon> yeah
May 15 05:35:48 <freemangordon> still having my first coffee for the day :)
May 15 05:37:11 <Maxdamantus> You should be able to put AAC into an m4a with ffmpeg doing something like: ffmpeg -i foo.aac -acodec copy foo.m4a
May 15 05:37:35 <Oksana> Creating tracker-extractor-aac would be nice, except AAC standard doesn't include metadata, right?
May 15 05:37:41 <Maxdamantus> ffmpeg tries to copuy metadata in certain cases, dunno how metadata works with AAC though.
May 15 05:38:20 <Maxdamantus> oh, no metadata yet, so you can specify it with additional arguments.
May 15 05:38:46 <Oksana> Hmm, nice.
May 15 08:13:02 <KotCzarny> http://i.imgur.com/BA3NC.jpg
May 15 08:13:24 <KotCzarny> who else thinks it's awesome?
May 15 08:29:32 <Maxdamantus> Those earphones look very breakable.
May 15 08:31:29 <KotCzarny> im talking more about winamp in a pocket type of thingie
May 15 08:39:26 <buZz> KotCzarny: lol nice
May 15 08:40:00 <buZz> should be easy-peasy with a 3D printer, some paint and one of those adafruit mp3player boards
May 15 08:40:03 <KotCzarny> if our n900 would have such screen, i could use oscp's winamp ui. but sadly there is too much border
May 15 08:40:14 <buZz> although the 'eject' button is a bit pointless i guess
May 15 08:40:39 <buZz> i dont see why this should be a screen , 90% doesnt update ever
May 15 08:40:58 <KotCzarny> for historic reasons :P
May 15 08:41:01 <buZz> also touchscreen are blegh for stuff like this
May 15 08:42:04 <KotCzarny> true. with resistive ts you could tapse some translucent tape though to mark buttons
May 15 08:42:20 <buZz> gross :D
May 15 08:42:31 <buZz> actual buttons ftw
May 15 08:42:45 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 12:23:09 <sixwheeledbeast> But gone are the days of standalone media players
May 15 12:23:29 <KotCzarny> not entirely true
May 15 12:23:54 <sixwheeledbeast> I had a massive Creative one back in the day 60GB IIRC I loved it.
May 15 12:24:36 <KotCzarny> i had nokia 5510, with massive 64MB of storage
May 15 12:25:07 <KotCzarny> could've squeezed almost 2 hours of music on that baby
May 15 12:25:35 <sixwheeledbeast> It got replaced by my N900 and soon after the FW was bricked on an update.
May 15 12:28:59 <sixwheeledbeast> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Felectronics%2Fdetail-page%2Fzenxtra.jpg&f=1
May 15 12:29:39 <KotCzarny> looks like early walkman/ipod 
May 15 12:29:53 <sixwheeledbeast> Ultra fast 2.0 USB...
May 15 12:30:22 <sixwheeledbeast> Circa 2003 IIRC
May 15 12:30:49 <KotCzarny> large high resolution lcd ;)
May 15 12:36:02 <Wizzup> 14:23 < sixwheeledbeast> I had a massive Creative one back in the day 60GB IIRC I loved it.
May 15 12:36:06 <Wizzup> creative nomad jukebox?
May 15 12:36:19 <Wizzup> ah, no, smaller one
May 15 12:36:54 <sixwheeledbeast> Great piece of kit in it's time, easy to use and set playlists at parties. Quick swap battery pack and 60GB was a lot before solid state.
May 15 12:36:56 <sixwheeledbeast> Yep
May 15 12:37:06 <sixwheeledbeast> Jukebox Xtra
May 15 12:38:35 <Wizzup> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_NOMAD#/media/File:Nomad.jpg I had this one
May 15 12:38:38 <Wizzup> have* actually
May 15 12:39:53 <KotCzarny> it had spinning drive? o.o
May 15 12:39:56 <sixwheeledbeast> I didn't know they where also sold as a "Dell DJ" It would still be working if it wasn't for the garbage SW bricking the FW update
May 15 12:41:06 <sixwheeledbeast> Yep spinning drive in a anti shock tray I recall
May 15 12:49:01 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: yes
May 15 12:52:22 <Wikiwide> KotCzarny: If I remember correctly, Samsung already makes clip-on hardware keyboard for Galaxy. Aka, on top of capacitive screen? Make it translucent, and it will be not-gross "tape to mark the buttons"
May 15 12:53:01 <KotCzarny> translucent kb is a bit tricky to make
May 15 12:53:57 <Wikiwide> Yes, like transparent fish: there remains non-transparent skeleton.
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