**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 22 03:00:02 2017
May 22 08:34:49 <sixwheeledbeast> Sicelo: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 ?
May 22 08:35:27 <sixwheeledbeast> I use tracklogs from modrana normally
May 22 16:32:54 <freemangordon> Sicelo: did you try if ovi maps works for you? As it looks like it works, though I would like somebody to confirm.
May 22 16:33:07 <freemangordon> for the others as well ^^^
May 22 17:26:43 <sicelo> freemangordon: yes Ovi Maps always worked for me :)
May 22 17:26:58 <sicelo> you're mentioning in connection with?
May 22 17:56:21 <Sicelo009N> .
May 22 18:28:37 <freemangordon> Sicelo: in connection with that renewed certificate
May 22 18:29:38 <freemangordon> the point is that there was a time, at least here, when it was not downloading maps data
May 22 18:29:50 <freemangordon> IOW it was working offline only
May 22 18:30:48 <sicelo> yes A-GPS is working just fine
May 22 18:31:15 <freemangordon> no, I mean map tiles download
May 22 18:31:30 <freemangordon> and location search and all the other functionality
May 22 18:32:04 <sicelo> i don't think map tiles works .. but location search has always worked
May 22 18:32:16 <freemangordon> this is the point, it works :)
May 22 18:32:27 <freemangordon> map tiles download that is
May 22 18:32:35 <freemangordon> including sattelite and 3d view
May 22 18:32:40 <sicelo> in Ovi Maps, or location widget?
May 22 18:32:44 <freemangordon> both
May 22 18:32:57 <sicelo> satelite has also always worked for me, as has location widget
May 22 18:33:13 <sicelo> will try test in ovi maps tiles
May 22 18:33:38 <freemangordon> but with offline maps in MyDocs, or downloaded online?
May 22 18:33:53 <freemangordon> on as-needed basis?
May 22 18:34:13 <sicelo> i have offline maps
May 22 18:34:44 <sicelo> but they are just for 3 countries .. so i'll navigate to a country a bit farther and see
May 22 18:35:37 <freemangordon> I am going to clean all ovi maps cache and retry
May 22 18:35:50 <sicelo> okay .. that's even better test
May 22 18:36:07 <freemangordon> just to be sure it is not some 5 years old data
May 22 18:36:43 <sicelo> i don't want to mess with mine for now as they are really the only dependable maps i have (incredibly enough, in my area these old maps are more useful than google's online maps)
May 22 18:37:08 <freemangordon> yeah, makes sense
May 22 18:38:40 <sicelo> doesn't seem to be downloading for me .. i'll wait for your tests
May 22 18:40:05 <sicelo> the last time i tested this, i noticed that ovi maps looks for the maps on different server whose name doesn't exist anymore. then i noticed that Ovi Suite 'knew' the updated dns name and could still get maps for N900. that was a while ago, and i don't even think Ovi Suite would still work
May 22 18:40:14 <sicelo> about 2 years ago, if not 3
May 22 18:40:53 <freemangordon> hmm, seems I have copied all the offline maps data and forgotten about it
May 22 18:41:23 <freemangordon> it is strange that location widget is able to get maps data
May 22 18:41:28 <sicelo> yep
May 22 18:41:35 <freemangordon> but not ovi maps
May 22 18:41:48 <sicelo> and ovi can still get 3d data :D
May 22 18:42:26 <sicelo> i think i ran strings on the binary back then, with obviously no success :p
May 22 18:42:40 <freemangordon> I guess it is in the html
May 22 18:42:52 <freemangordon> or some gconf setting
May 22 18:42:57 <sicelo> not gconf
May 22 18:43:12 <sicelo> i think i checked the html too .. but can't remember now
May 22 18:43:22 <freemangordon> and how it gets sattelite tiles then?
May 22 18:43:34 <sicelo> s/3d/satellite/
May 22 18:43:53 <sicelo> prolly different server?
May 22 18:44:03 <freemangordon> doesn't make sense
May 22 18:44:09 * freemangordon checks
May 22 18:45:45 <sicelo> in the html is only the search URL (as Ovi Maps can't search locally)
May 22 18:46:13 <freemangordon> do you remember the address ov map tiles server?
May 22 18:46:16 <freemangordon> *of
May 22 18:46:41 <sicelo> no. let me see if wireshark can help  (some gate5 thing)
May 22 18:47:10 <freemangordon> ok
May 22 18:48:42 <sicelo> seems same as the satellite one
May 22 18:48:51 <sicelo> download.linux.s2g.gate5.de
May 22 18:49:57 <sicelo> here's my earlier tests: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2015-09-13.log.html
May 22 18:50:30 <sicelo> so Ovi Maps tries to get maps from the server already mentioned above, while location widget uses loc.desktop.maps.svc.ovi.com
May 22 18:51:23 <freemangordon> did you try to replace that server in index.html?
May 22 18:52:06 <sicelo> no. index.html only has the search server, which is different, 
May 22 18:52:14 <sicelo> where.s2g.gate5.de
May 22 18:52:49 <freemangordon> mhm
May 22 18:53:30 <sicelo> but yes that's a valid point about satellite imagery ... it's on the same server as the other tiles 
May 22 18:53:41 * freemangordon is going to fire IDA against ovimaps
May 22 18:54:01 <sicelo> and i can't say the problem is tile versions .. because when i tested, Ovi Suite got the right tiles for N900
May 22 18:54:44 <freemangordon> which binary do you think it is?
May 22 18:54:56 <sicelo> nokia-maps
May 22 18:55:05 <freemangordon> hmm, it is 24k only
May 22 18:55:06 <sicelo>  /usr/bin/noki-maps i
May 22 18:55:21 <freemangordon> yes, but I doubt it has any functionality in it
May 22 18:55:43 <sicelo> liblocation probably :-/
May 22 18:57:24 <freemangordon> mhm
May 22 18:59:43 <sicelo> by the way yesterday i found something that i thought would possibly be useful to RE ... it's not a standard maemo package, but at least according to the bug report, it can speak to the modem directly and clear its cache ... maybe it could be helpful for FPTF stuff, *shrugs* 
May 22 19:00:01 <sicelo> https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1839 .. the first attachment from bug 7026
May 22 19:00:03 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7026 Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view
May 22 19:00:40 <sicelo> The actual position engine as well as the GPS cache are inside cellmo, and
May 22 19:00:40 <sicelo> hence it's not directly possible to clear cache from xterm. However here you
May 22 19:00:41 <sicelo> have a little binary that does precisely this. Run it as root in xterm.
May 22 19:00:57 <sicelo> anyway, one thing at a time - nokia-maps
May 22 19:02:03 <freemangordon> hmm, it seems that nokia-maps is a dbus service which just launches index.html
May 22 19:02:16 <dave_9911> hey, I just booted Devuan at the n900, and looked around for a bit to find | (pipe). Do anybody know where its at? :) or how to remap keys? Thanks!
May 22 19:03:01 <sicelo> dave_9911: https://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard
May 22 19:04:38 <sicelo> freemangordon: syslog shows location-daemon and location-proxy are the ones doing the work
May 22 19:05:07 <sicelo> i think proxy is the one actually doing the communication
May 22 19:06:11 <freemangordon> well, we have it REed iirc
May 22 19:06:15 * freemangordon checks
May 22 19:06:57 <freemangordon> https://github.com/community-ssu/nokiamaps-navigation-provider
May 22 19:08:46 <sicelo> nice. but that's something else too
May 22 19:10:43 <freemangordon> Sicelo: no, check this https://github.com/community-ssu/nokiamaps-navigation-provider/blob/master/nm-nav-provider.c#L1244
May 22 19:11:27 <freemangordon> or rather https://github.com/community-ssu/nokiamaps-navigation-provider/blob/master/nm-nav-provider.c#L1498
May 22 19:12:55 <sicelo> mmm
May 22 19:13:21 <sicelo> but Ovi Maps does not seem to do a dns request for that 
May 22 19:13:31 <sicelo> let me check if location widget does
May 22 19:14:09 <freemangordon> for sure I used location widget to test the REed code
May 22 19:14:13 <sicelo> yes, widged does
May 22 19:14:18 <sicelo> just confirmed
May 22 19:14:50 <sicelo> Ovi Maps uses other means 
May 22 19:15:41 <freemangordon> doesn't make any sense, going to check though
May 22 19:15:59 <sicelo> i'm interested to know what you'll find
May 22 19:18:29 <freemangordon> sure
May 22 20:01:21 <sicelo> bencoh: forgot to mention that we can also reverse geocode on N900 on nokia servers via dbus using the same framework as telepathy - where you can set it to show your location
May 22 20:08:49 <freemangordon> Sicelo: so far traces point to libatlas.so
May 22 20:12:25 <sicelo> oh .. never heard of or seen that before.
May 22 20:14:25 <sicelo> supplied by nokia-maps-core .. makes sense
May 22 20:15:37 <bencoh> sicelo: wait, what?
May 22 20:15:43 <bencoh> where does it show location?
May 22 20:16:01 <bencoh> (I've never used nokia maps btw ... I'm not even sure it's still installed here)
May 22 20:16:16 <bencoh> (actually I might have launched it once or twice)
May 22 20:16:58 <sicelo> it's been on tmo for a long time, and i tested (unsuccesfully) years ago. tested it again today and works. 
May 22 20:17:01 <sicelo> https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66221
May 22 20:18:58 <sicelo> dumb me had not been looking at the right place first time for the dbus reply .. but it does work just fine. the one i had been using is (forward) geocoding via dbus, as it's not possible to put in coordinates in Nokia Maps (and many others, even on Android)
May 22 20:20:01 <sicelo> for what i want to do, i think i'll still use OSM as registering a dbus service is beyond my abilities for now, and my needs are simple
May 22 20:23:33 <bencoh> it would be really cool though
May 22 20:24:01 <bencoh> I wonder if marble already registers dbus services
May 22 20:24:08 <bencoh> I don't think so ...
May 22 20:29:22 <freemangordon> Sicelo: unfortunately this .so has all and the kitchen sunk statically linked int it :(
May 22 20:29:35 <freemangordon> and it seems the address is hard-coded
May 22 20:29:44 <freemangordon> I guess /etc/hosts will do the job
May 22 20:29:53 <sicelo> i suspected so (the hard coding)
May 22 20:30:03 <sicelo> i tried /etc/hosts that time .. didn't work
May 22 20:30:09 <freemangordon> weird
May 22 20:30:29 <freemangordon> anyway, going to have some sleep, night
May 22 20:30:47 <sicelo> maybe can try with the location widget's address .. my tests earlier were using the address ovi suite was trying to reach
May 22 20:31:04 <freemangordon> mhm
May 22 20:31:09 <freemangordon> should work
May 22 20:31:39 <sicelo> didn't because there were other parts in the URL that don't fit in /etc/hots
May 22 20:32:48 <sicelo> e.g. example.com/maps/files.htm moves to example3.com/files.htm .. or vice versa .. can't remove that /files/ :-(
May 22 20:33:28 <sicelo> err .. you get the idea anyway
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 23 03:00:01 2017