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Jun 13 08:38:14 <buZz> does anyone have a tip for a maemo gps logger/dashboard thingy? i need to monitor bicycle speed
Jun 13 08:43:43 <buZz> or eh, maybe some gps navigatin with path logging or something?
Jun 13 08:43:44 <buZz> hmm
Jun 13 08:46:52 <buZz> ugliest mount ever https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:10079
Jun 13 08:47:26 <KotCzarny> but could be quite functional
Jun 13 08:47:43 <KotCzarny> i bet you won't find any better
Jun 13 08:47:45 <buZz> hey KotCzarny ;)
Jun 13 08:48:03 <buZz> i havent thusfar, no :P although i could maybe use one of the universal mounts
Jun 13 08:48:32 <KotCzarny> btw. i have that n900, just didnt manage to swap screens to check/confirm it yet
Jun 13 08:48:43 <buZz> oooo
Jun 13 08:48:47 <buZz> \o/
Jun 13 10:42:28 <juiceme> freemangordon, pong
Jun 13 10:43:06 <juiceme> yes I think devlist is OK, have to check it. maemo-community is the list with most traffic
Jun 13 13:05:39 <buZz> is there something i need to do on CSSU to get gps lock to work?
Jun 13 13:12:26 <koval> hello
Jun 13 13:12:50 <sicelo> a-gps? or non-assisted?
Jun 13 13:12:51 <sixwheeledbeast> buZz: It's not CSSU issue the supl servers cert had expired IIRC.
Jun 13 13:12:59 <koval> any one have the idea of  radsecproxy
Jun 13 13:13:10 <buZz> i mean the 'real' gps without network assistance
Jun 13 13:13:18 <buZz> or would it just take ~verylong ?
Jun 13 13:13:36 <sixwheeledbeast> If you stand outside for 15 minutes you should get a lock without A-GPS
Jun 13 13:13:43 <buZz> alright
Jun 13 13:13:45 <sicelo> buZz: put in a SIM card. without a working SIM it will almost nver work
Jun 13 13:13:48 <buZz> i'll try longer :)
Jun 13 13:13:52 <buZz> sicelo: oh dangit
Jun 13 13:14:12 <buZz> i'll try longer anyway, without sim
Jun 13 13:14:15 <sicelo> don't need to have gprs on .. but the sim must work :-)
Jun 13 13:14:26 <sicelo> you'll wait forever 
Jun 13 13:14:33 <buZz> i have a lot of time :P
Jun 13 13:14:34 <sixwheeledbeast> I had no issues with A-GPS disabled it just takes it's time to get the data required for a lock
Jun 13 13:15:03 <sicelo> if you don't have sim it's very bad even if you have wifi
Jun 13 13:15:22 <sicelo> with a sim and no data - about 3 minutes
Jun 13 13:15:31 <sicelo> koval: no idea
Jun 13 13:15:59 <sicelo> ~rrlp
Jun 13 13:15:59 <infobot> RRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP
Jun 13 13:16:06 <koval> help for the following
Jun 13 13:16:08 <sicelo> buZz: ^^
Jun 13 13:16:31 <bencoh> sicelo: iirc "someone" renewed it lately
Jun 13 13:16:45 <koval> ./configure –enable-fticks
Jun 13 13:16:49 <sicelo> yes cert is renewed
Jun 13 13:16:49 <bencoh> woops. sixwheeledbeast ^
Jun 13 13:16:53 <koval> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
Jun 13 13:17:00 <koval> configure: WARNING: invalid host type: –enable-fticks
Jun 13 13:17:07 <koval> checking build system type... Invalid configuration `–enable-fticks': machine `–enable' not recognized
Jun 13 13:17:15 <koval> configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub –enable-fticks failed
Jun 13 13:18:01 <sixwheeledbeast> There is still an issue, even if it has been renewed
Jun 13 13:18:22 <sicelo> what issue?
Jun 13 13:18:33 <buZz> sicelo: i so do not want this :P
Jun 13 13:18:35 <buZz> > It allows the GSM network operator to obtain very precise location information about a mobile phone,
Jun 13 13:18:39 <buZz> fuck them
Jun 13 13:18:41 <buZz> :)
Jun 13 13:19:49 <sixwheeledbeast> I certainly don't get a lock on a few N900's
Jun 13 13:20:21 <sixwheeledbeast> Even after cert was suppose to be renewed
Jun 13 13:22:38 <sicelo> do you have the updated certman packages?
Jun 13 13:23:35 <sixwheeledbeast> buZz: From experience I could open modRana, drive for 4-5 minutes and get a lock without A-GPS consistently.
Jun 13 13:24:09 <sixwheeledbeast> certman? how updated?
Jun 13 13:26:45 <buZz> sixwheeledbeast: without a working sim card in it?
Jun 13 13:27:02 <sicelo> see the tmo thread. unfortunately i can't check the link for you 
Jun 13 13:27:48 <sixwheeledbeast> No, but A-GPS was disabled and GSM locked to 2G
Jun 13 13:28:06 <buZz> hmm well
Jun 13 13:28:26 <buZz> i'll see how succesfull i get .. worstcase i could just dig up a BT GPS module i guess
Jun 13 13:28:53 <sixwheeledbeast> I recall this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651&page=7
Jun 13 13:30:50 <sixwheeledbeast> My data is on prompt only as no password is saved, hence 2G only.
Jun 13 13:31:04 <sicelo> yes bt gps is prolly your best bet without sim
Jun 13 13:31:30 <buZz> i wonder how the gps would work in native linux on the n900?
Jun 13 13:31:40 <buZz> would it have the same sim-card dependancy?
Jun 13 13:33:31 <sixwheeledbeast> let me check this
Jun 13 13:33:33 <sicelo> prolly. the problem is how the modem is connected to cpu
Jun 13 13:34:32 <buZz> wg #bathory-dungeon 
Jun 13 13:34:35 <buZz> kak
Jun 13 13:38:20 <sicelo> anyway i'm not authority on this :-)
Jun 13 13:38:43 <buZz> its cool, i appreciate your assistance even if not an expert :)
Jun 13 13:45:47 <sixwheeledbeast> Ok so I have just tested with Wifi and SIM disabled and I have a lock in 10 minutes on an overcast day, not bad.
Jun 13 13:54:33 <buZz> with sim removed? or just disabled
Jun 13 13:54:43 <buZz> afaik disabled sims are still powered and active
Jun 13 13:54:49 <buZz> just not exposed to user
Jun 13 13:58:35 <Wizzup> sixwheeledbeast: without moving?
Jun 13 14:00:27 <sixwheeledbeast> on window ledge without moving, disabled with set_radio false in terminal
Jun 13 14:01:32 <sixwheeledbeast> I have now brought it back inside and lost GPS lock with wifi and 2G on, hence why I say A-GPS isn't working here
Jun 13 14:18:55 <buZz> fyi , i got a fix!
Jun 13 14:19:07 <buZz> with no sim , am inside , and no wifi
Jun 13 14:20:08 <Wizzup> It can take a long time for me too, even with sim card in there.
Jun 13 14:20:10 <sicelo> nice :-)
Jun 13 14:20:16 <Wizzup> especially when I am walking. up to an hour
Jun 13 14:20:18 <buZz> took ~15 minutes
Jun 13 14:20:29 <buZz> guess i got lucky :)
Jun 13 14:20:35 <sicelo> How long did it take?
Jun 13 14:20:40 <sicelo> cool
Jun 13 14:20:43 <buZz> now yay, i can record gps logs on my new bicycle \o
Jun 13 14:20:55 <buZz> just need some mount for on steeringwheel
Jun 13 14:25:43 <Wizzup> buZz: well, I am in hong kong now, so perhaps that made it search for a longer time ...
Jun 13 14:26:21 <buZz> :) next time bring your own gps sats!
Jun 13 14:30:28 <Wizzup> I meant that it might assume a diff pos. but idk.
Jun 13 14:50:11 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: make sure your system time is correct, disable a-gps in settings
Jun 13 14:55:18 <DocScrutinizer05> buZz: 15 min is about right
Jun 13 14:55:31 <DocScrutinizer05> downloading almanach takes iirc 12 min
Jun 13 14:58:30 <DocScrutinizer05> luck is only involved in that as far as you need uninterupted reception for those 12+x minutes or it starts again (though there are 'smarter' schemes that can get a fix in ~40s without downloading almanach, and dropouts in alm-dl could as well get fixed by a second additive download filling in the gaps)
Jun 13 14:59:08 <DocScrutinizer05> SIM is about ~rrlp, as sicelo(?) already hinted at
Jun 13 14:59:34 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course about coarse location (country center) and correct time
Jun 13 15:01:28 <DocScrutinizer05> enabling a-gps while you actually don't have connectivity *may* cause the GPS system getting incorrect assistance data and never ever getting a fix
Jun 13 15:09:44 <dreamer> kind of annoying that gsm assistance is needed for gps. I always thought it just wanted to download the maps
Jun 13 15:11:03 <freemangordon> dreamer: it is not really needed, it just speeds things up
Jun 13 15:17:51 <freemangordon> bencoh: https://github.com/community-ssu/libplayback
Jun 13 15:30:08 <dreamer> freemangordon: well, I would've assumed that gps by itself would be fast already. 15 mins to get a lock is quite slow. I wonder how normal gps devices do this then
Jun 13 15:33:05 <freemangordon> Pali: we have REed libplayback :)
Jun 13 15:33:43 <Pali> nice!
Jun 13 15:37:04 <fladnag900> Evening
Jun 13 15:37:33 <fladnag900> Good evening
Jun 13 15:37:35 <fladnag900> :)
Jun 13 15:38:00 <bencoh> freemangordon: yay :)
Jun 13 15:39:52 <freemangordon> bencoh: yeah. it would be nice if you find time and will to package it, I had enough of it as of now :)
Jun 13 15:40:34 <freemangordon> Pali: ohmd is FOSS, right?
Jun 13 15:40:43 <fladnag900> May i ask for help ..i just installed japari for my n900 and the icon to start the app does not show anywhere ... :( :) What can i do ?? My knowledge of linux console things is verylimited
Jun 13 15:40:54 <sicelo> what does libplayback do for us?
Jun 13 15:41:05 <sicelo> fladnag900: yappari is no more
Jun 13 15:41:29 <Pali> freemangordon: yes, there are ohmd sources
Jun 13 15:41:32 <Pali> and some plugins too
Jun 13 15:41:39 <freemangordon> sicelo: one more step to having upstream rebased maemo if your question is "why did you RE it"
Jun 13 15:41:54 <freemangordon> Pali: ok, thanks
Jun 13 15:41:58 <fladnag900> Wuuaaat ??
Jun 13 15:42:17 <sicelo> fladnag900: yes, a year ago i think :-)
Jun 13 15:42:27 <fladnag900> I could install it and restartet as statet ...there is just no icon ...
Jun 13 15:42:51 <freemangordon> fladnag900: ask your service provider why they started to ban everyone not using their official client
Jun 13 15:42:55 <sicelo> if you want whatsapp, buy a supported device.
Jun 13 15:43:51 <fladnag900> Canyou tellme something .. Imean why and what sense does it make that its inthe repos?
Jun 13 15:43:59 <fladnag900> Why isit nmore please ?
Jun 13 15:44:28 <sicelo> people kept installing it after being told not to .. so that was one way to force them to stop :-)
Jun 13 15:44:53 <sicelo> s/install/us/
Jun 13 15:44:53 <infobot> sicelo meant: people kept using it after being told not to .. so that was one way to force them to stop :-)
Jun 13 15:46:58 <sicelo> freemangordon: i meant what is it used for? i guess somewhere in mediaplayer..
Jun 13 15:47:47 <freemangordon> sicelo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#libplayback
Jun 13 15:48:03 <sicelo> thank you
Jun 13 15:48:28 <fladnag900> Ok :( Thanks evryone .. :) So no fukinwhatsapp forme :) ..im veryhappy with the n900 sofar notinterested inandroid orsomeothersh. :P
Jun 13 15:49:13 <fladnag900> This irc rocks :) goodnight peaceout
Jun 13 22:16:29 <jonwil> hi
Jun 13 22:18:25 <jonwil> freemangordon: Great job on libplayback so far
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