**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 21 03:00:03 2017 Jun 21 13:14:00 if only there was a way to lock n900 to 3.5G (not 3G) ... Jun 21 13:14:51 if anyone has an idea i'd appreciate it. Jun 21 13:15:44 i'm aware i might be asking the impossible .. other phones don't do that either afaik Jun 21 13:40:24 sicelo: 3.5G always depends on your signal and the free slots on the base station. You only get offered HSPA from the base station if there are enough available frequency slots. Jun 21 13:44:56 nice explanation. it's a pity that 3G just doesn't work at all here for some reason Jun 21 13:45:10 3.5 works Jun 21 13:47:10 'here' = my N900 Jun 21 13:50:06 all this with full network bars Jun 21 14:07:34 sicelo: 3.5G only appears when actual datatransfer happens. Without data transferred there is no way to tell apart 3G from 3.5G, it's just a matter of allocated bandwidth which happens dynamically under control of the BTS in same radio technology Jun 21 14:08:22 it'S about dame as moaning "if only I could fix the ping time of my internet to 10ms" Jun 21 14:08:31 it's about same* Jun 21 14:09:23 ~wiki hspa Jun 21 14:11:17 i understand now. Jun 21 14:12:19 compare 2.5G aka EDGE Jun 21 14:13:26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access Jun 21 14:16:54 damn, the bot is borked, took 6 minutes to boot Jun 21 14:17:07 resp to restart the bot process Jun 21 14:17:17 ~useless Jun 21 14:17:18 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( Jun 21 14:17:45 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what Tim Riker does on that server Jun 21 14:17:50 ~dumb Jun 21 14:17:51 * infobot thinks that sumone is drunk, idiotic or a robot abuser. Jun 21 14:18:35 sumone? Jun 21 14:18:45 ~sumone Jun 21 14:18:45 ~factinfo dumb Jun 21 14:18:45 dumb -- created by BZFlag at Sat Nov 23 18:25:37 2002 (5323 days); it has been requested 21 times, last by sicelo, 55s ago. Jun 21 14:18:51 LOL Jun 21 14:19:08 blame Tim Jun 21 14:19:19 ~blametim Jun 21 14:19:39 ~timriker's pager Jun 21 14:19:39 hmm... timriker's pager is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org Jun 21 14:19:59 :-) Jun 21 14:21:27 ~blame TimRiker Jun 21 14:21:27 * infobot blames TimRiker (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Jun 21 14:21:35 ;-) Jun 21 14:33:37 ShadowJK: crop does accept four parameters, it turns out. "crop=w:h:left:top" Jun 21 14:39:10 Does hildon-welcome video have to be an avi, or can it be an mp4? Bootscreen manager accepts only avi, for whatever reason? Jun 21 14:41:17 did you try renaming mp4 to avi? Jun 21 14:41:36 Shall try. Jun 21 14:43:28 Wikiwide: https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-welcome/blob/master/src/main.c Jun 21 14:43:50 And, Media Player starts saying media format not supported to videos it previously played fine. What bug is it, and how to get it working again? Except reboot (which will help, I know, but I do not want to have to do it right now) Jun 21 14:44:15 freemangordon: opening Jun 21 15:06:24 Okay, so as long as it is playable, file format doesn't matter. It could be ogg, it would still play it? Jun 21 15:07:30 probably it's just passing name to video player Jun 21 15:07:41 want to play nokia dongle? ;) Jun 21 15:08:04 KotCzarny: you interested in helping out w/ devuan+fremantle/maemo on top of it? Jun 21 15:08:13 What is dongle? And if I remember correctly, h264 codec is recommended because it's sort of native format, less likely to stutter during decoding. Jun 21 15:08:29 wikiwide: sorry, i meant 'jingle' Jun 21 15:08:37 wizzup: how? Jun 21 15:08:58 Nokia Tune? Jun 21 15:09:29 wikiwide: yeah, turudumdum, turudumdum, turudumdum dum dum Jun 21 15:09:51 One of my goals with boot-up video is making it quiet, akin to growing grass, so that I would not have to silence my N900 just because I am changing battery. Jun 21 15:10:18 just remove initial video Jun 21 15:10:28 no point to have it at all Jun 21 15:11:08 Videoless is boring. By the way, does the video slow down the boot-up process, or does it just eat the blinking dots? Jun 21 15:11:35 most likely it's played using dsp, so mostly eating your battery a little Jun 21 15:11:45 Because the hands video is 4 seconds, and the mp4 I am feeding to it is 30 seconds at least. Jun 21 15:12:12 KotCzarny: build packages, make sure packages build, install it on a n900, etc Jun 21 15:12:36 wizzup: so testing? Jun 21 15:12:45 also development I guess Jun 21 15:12:52 Wizzup: why n900? Jun 21 15:12:56 ok, not just n900 Jun 21 15:13:02 sorry, I didn't mean to limit the scope :) Jun 21 15:13:15 x86-64 VM would be less way easier Jun 21 15:13:28 fair enough Jun 21 15:13:31 or 32bit should not matter Jun 21 15:13:33 If I remember correctly, by the time video begins, the user can black out the screen. Which may help with conserving the battery. Jun 21 15:14:11 bencoh: hi. are you going to package libplayback or you won;t have time to do it? Jun 21 15:15:01 KotCzarny: your allwinner is a perfect target :) Jun 21 15:16:39 Interesting : ffmpeg doesn't have to decode-encode when time-cutting videos. Hence, media player doesn't have to eat CPU when display is blacked out: it either pauses the video, or walks through frames without actually decoding them. Jun 21 15:17:30 Samsung NX300 is interesting in the sense of having 800x480 display and Tizen OS (aka relatively open firmware?) Jun 21 15:21:03 wizzup, ask me tomorrow ~10am (cet time) Jun 21 15:21:35 Also, what's the difference between Devuan and AntiX? Jun 21 15:23:34 Wizzup: while we are at it, what all those mails on devuan-dev re amprolla actually mean? I was unable to understand :) Jun 21 15:23:53 xes_: what has happened with maemo-developers ML? Jun 21 15:24:52 freemangordon: mostly same here. I think there are one or two open questions on how to get jenkins (their builder) to use the new amprolla-merged repos. parazyd told me it should not be a lot of work Jun 21 15:25:02 let's hope it doesn't drag on for too long Jun 21 15:25:16 knowing them, it could Jun 21 15:25:53 so your suggestion was to start upping more packages to the gitlab, right, parazyd ? Jun 21 15:26:07 if you have nothing better to do Jun 21 15:26:19 parazyd: you mean it could take long? Jun 21 15:26:50 parazyd: can we have jaromil apply pressure? :P Jun 21 15:27:08 freemangordon: as you see, nobody is replying coherently, and Centurion_Dan (who is in charge of all that) is now gone for a few days Jun 21 15:27:18 asked me to discuss, and i answer, and he just disappears Jun 21 15:27:43 maybe switch the discussion to #devuan? Jun 21 15:27:48 Wizzup: i don't see it happening Jun 21 15:28:28 freemangordon: in #devuan only more people will see it, but nobody can do a thing Jun 21 15:28:36 well, except put pressure :) Jun 21 15:28:51 sure Jun 21 15:29:30 freemangordon: there is #devuan-dev Jun 21 15:29:48 you should rather drop in there, Wizzup also idles Jun 21 15:29:55 parazyd: ah, well, will join there Jun 21 15:30:22 Pali: you might or might not want to do it as well (join #devuan-dev) Jun 21 15:30:29 ps Jun 21 15:30:36 I really don't want to get -too- involved in devuan stuff Jun 21 15:30:39 need to keep focus :) Jun 21 15:30:44 exactly Jun 21 15:32:21 Wizzup: sure, but I think we should make some noise to at least understand what needs to be done and who is in charge. we can always switch to plan B and put the builder on maemo servers, but lets first try to do it as it should be Jun 21 15:32:32 agreed Jun 21 15:40:39 freemangordon: err didn't have much time lately :/ Jun 21 15:41:16 bencoh: sure :), my question is rather - "will you have time soon" Jun 21 15:42:06 on friday maybe, dunno yet Jun 21 15:42:13 ok Jun 21 15:42:25 sorry about that :/ Jun 21 15:42:32 ah, np Jun 21 15:43:11 I haven't done much computer-related stuff apart from work for the past weeks tbh Jun 21 15:45:00 Pali: BTW, are you going to help with that devuan-fremantle thingie? I think this is our best chance to revive maemo. Jun 21 15:46:38 I really think those who still care should make a final effort on that one, with a hope once we have something to be shown more devs will join Jun 21 15:49:30 Yo, sure. Bringing Maemo to newer kernel, reducing the time-gap between mobile and laptop, would make it easier to develop and maintain things. Jun 21 16:11:47 freemangordon Hello. I'd just wanna ask whether you had a look at the problems I found when trying to build the gtk+ with your patches for Hildon. I didn't try since two or three weeks. Don't want to be insistent, just please let me know if you find something wrong from my side, and if others have been able to build the gtk+. Jun 21 16:13:16 Enrico_Menotti: sorry, didn't have time, will see what's going on ASAP, hopefully till the end of the week Jun 21 16:13:34 Ok, thanks a lot. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 22 03:00:01 2017