**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 22 03:00:02 2017 Jun 22 05:28:31 Enrico_Menotti: right, there is a problem with gtk+ build, I will try to find time later today to fix it Jun 22 09:50:59 freemangordon: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2017-June/thread.html maemo-evelopers ML now is working again Jun 22 09:52:00 It's not loading for me Jun 22 09:58:24 Wizzup: what is not loading? Jun 22 09:58:47 what you linked to fmg Jun 22 10:02:16 xes: some links only give a response after 60 seconds Jun 22 10:02:21 e.g. https://static.maemo.org:81/jQuery/jquery.metadata.js Jun 22 10:02:30 maybe this is some weird rate limiting? Jun 22 10:02:30 ..weird. And what about the other maemo pages? Jun 22 10:06:56 For maemo.org I have similar issues with static.maemo.org Jun 22 10:12:25 Wizzup: please try another browser and test: wget http://static.maemo.org:81/style_maemo2009/img/icons/favourite.png Jun 22 10:12:44 Would it be https thing I experienced? Let me try Jun 22 10:13:50 Yep hangs on TLS handshake with HTTPS Everywhere. Resolves with it off. Jun 22 10:14:02 sixwheeledbeast^: "https everywhere"? maybe Jun 22 10:14:08 Is that your issue? Jun 22 10:14:21 I use https-everywhere, yeah Jun 22 10:14:35 disable it for *.maemo.org Jun 22 10:14:49 ... Jun 22 10:15:59 why does https not work? Jun 22 10:16:28 I reported it a while back, xes had a look. I don't think it was easily fixable? Jun 22 10:19:18 going to https://maemo.org works, but http://maemo.org does not, with https-everywhere. Jun 22 10:19:32 Currently we have a startcom wildcard certificate for HTTPS. We need to invest a bit of time to migrate to let's encrypt. But still, such things as http on port 81 can't be changed easily because they are hardcoded in this midgard stuff. Jun 22 10:19:50 ..easily... i'm slowly forgetting the meaning of that word Jun 22 10:20:13 :] Jun 22 10:22:07 Dunno if this is helpful either? https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere/atlas/domains/maemo.org.html Jun 22 10:22:10 _maybe_.... the pages using static.m.o only to pick maemo theme could be changed to use a copy of those file inside the same web server. The other redirects are a mess.. Jun 22 10:23:02 ~midgard Jun 22 10:23:02 A PHP Application Server Suite - Web building with Web-based tools. URL: http://www.midgard-project.org/ Jun 22 10:23:24 s/.*/a steaming heap of cow poo/ Jun 22 10:23:37 I am surprised Doc hasn't changed that to read "the devil" Jun 22 10:23:42 :) lol Jun 22 10:26:58 :] Jun 22 12:55:51 Nonfunctional subdomains: talk (refused) Jun 22 12:56:02 but talk.maemo.org works fine via https... Jun 22 14:10:19 hey Jun 22 14:10:32 i installed rescueOS on my n900 Jun 22 14:10:39 and now a kernel panic happens Jun 22 14:10:44 and i can't flash it Jun 22 14:10:55 not with either 0xffff or flasher Jun 22 14:11:16 i've googled endlessly i cant do anything Jun 22 14:12:17 the kernel panic says that the boot option is invalid i remember that i could use 0xffff to boot but now i cannot Jun 22 14:12:26 can anyone help me please? Jun 22 14:13:38 is it possible to pass an option to rescueOS without a usb flashing software? Jun 22 14:13:46 a boot option* Jun 22 14:14:50 unfortunately i dont know the hw revision of the phone Jun 22 14:15:19 what you do get when trying to run nokia flasher? Jun 22 14:15:24 you don't actually install rescuOS Jun 22 14:15:28 waiting for device Jun 22 14:15:34 well i did Jun 22 14:15:36 i think Jun 22 14:16:31 it's not intended for install .. Jun 22 14:16:43 ok im such a noob Jun 22 14:16:51 did i brick it? Jun 22 14:17:17 the message i get is please append a correct boot= boot option Jun 22 14:17:31 well Jun 22 14:17:56 if it is not meant for install then why does it have an app to charge the battery when it is installed? Jun 22 14:18:11 a script i should say Jun 22 14:18:43 not bricked. it can charge battery because you need that functionality while hopefully repairing your n900 :-) Jun 22 14:19:16 k good to hear :) Jun 22 14:19:48 well what can i do? i cant use 0xffff or flasher Jun 22 14:19:54 to set a boot option Jun 22 14:20:04 i remember in the past that it worked sometimes Jun 22 14:20:07 read the documentation properly ... and have the correct files Jun 22 14:20:13 i do Jun 22 14:20:26 i have flashed it before Jun 22 14:20:55 i wish i knew the revision Jun 22 14:21:00 what is the real problem by the way (that made you want/need rescueOS) Jun 22 14:21:21 i wanted to try out lower level os's etc Jun 22 14:21:29 now i just want maemo Jun 22 14:21:34 revision hardly matters (most of the time) -or what do you need it for Jun 22 14:21:50 cold flashing Jun 22 14:21:52 i guess Jun 22 14:21:53 why do you actually need the revision? Jun 22 14:21:55 if i need it Jun 22 14:22:12 im not sure tho Jun 22 14:22:17 to be honest Jun 22 14:22:23 do not cold flash Jun 22 14:22:25 i wanted to try the netbsd port Jun 22 14:22:27 i think Jun 22 14:22:47 but it was way back because my battery died Jun 22 14:22:53 now i have my friends phone Jun 22 14:23:11 does you n900 still boot maemo properly after all you've done? Jun 22 14:23:15 quirinpa: to test alternative OSes / boot images, you should probably 1. boot kernel/initrd from flasher/0xffff without flashing Jun 22 14:23:15 no Jun 22 14:23:22 it boots rescueOs Jun 22 14:23:24 or install uboot and boot alternative OS from sd Jun 22 14:23:28 well it doesnt Jun 22 14:23:34 yeah Jun 22 14:23:50 i thought about it but Jun 22 14:23:59 how do i boot from sd if boot=null Jun 22 14:23:59 ? Jun 22 14:24:15 what is this boot=null thing? Jun 22 14:24:27 boot option Jun 22 14:24:39 i have a kernel panic Jun 22 14:24:44 and it complains about that Jun 22 14:25:15 ill try to be more specific Jun 22 14:25:28 show us your commandline, your flasher commands, and where the kernel came from Jun 22 14:25:50 i dont remember where the kernel came from Jun 22 14:26:03 i dont usually use flasher because i'm on openbsd Jun 22 14:26:12 but 0xffff has been working for me in the past Jun 22 14:26:28 the messages i get thou are the following Jun 22 14:26:49 that's still fine .. show us the commands you put in .. pastebin maybe Jun 22 14:26:56 VFS: Cannot open root device "(null)" or unknown-block(0,0) Jun 22 14:27:09 ok Jun 22 14:27:35 where is the root of the system you're trying to load? Jun 22 14:28:17 what do you mean? i want to boot from internal memory (where rescuefs is installed) Jun 22 14:28:44 this is the command i've used in the past to flash the Fiasco image (and it worked) Jun 22 14:28:46 0xFFFF -M RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -F Jun 22 14:29:08 the kernel panic also shows: Jun 22 14:29:16 so what command did you type now when installing the rescuefs Jun 22 14:29:20 this is the combined image Jun 22 14:29:28 Please append a correct "root=" boot option: here are the available partitions Jun 22 14:29:32 yeah Jun 22 14:29:51 i dont remember honestly Jun 22 14:30:41 i wish i could just append a boot option Jun 22 14:30:44 although i doubt flasher would flash a bad image .. Jun 22 14:30:51 well Jun 22 14:30:54 i've tried many Jun 22 14:31:03 and it doesnt even detect the phone Jun 22 14:31:04 i think you borked your n900 Jun 22 14:31:10 but the connector is working Jun 22 14:31:12 simplest is reflash your maemo rootfs and start fresh Jun 22 14:31:14 yeah possibly Jun 22 14:31:24 but how? Jun 22 14:31:56 the command you gave just above Jun 22 14:32:05 doesnt work Jun 22 14:32:12 waiting for device ... Jun 22 14:32:18 forever Jun 22 14:32:34 try using the U key when plugin n900 in Jun 22 14:32:38 the same happens with flasher Jun 22 14:32:42 i did Jun 22 14:32:52 try different usb port on pc Jun 22 14:33:04 also did it but ill try another one Jun 22 14:33:09 thx guys Jun 22 14:33:12 1 sec Jun 22 14:33:36 just check the flashing page on wiki Jun 22 14:33:45 ~flashing Jun 22 14:33:45 well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing Jun 22 14:35:14 same thing happens Jun 22 14:35:38 k ty Jun 22 14:35:51 btw Jun 22 14:36:00 the phone doesnt even show on dmesg Jun 22 14:36:12 read the wiki page :-) maybe your bsd also has the module mentioned there that you need to unload Jun 22 14:36:54 i've used the exact same to flash it before, besides the same thing happens with windows Jun 22 14:37:08 but i know the usb is working because it changes behavior Jun 22 14:37:25 a green light appears when the battery is not on Jun 22 14:37:29 sometimes orange Jun 22 14:40:46 your script looks awesome but unfortunately there is no version of flasher that runs on bsd Jun 22 14:40:55 i mean openbsd at least Jun 22 14:40:59 that i know of Jun 22 14:41:09 i can change it thou Jun 22 14:42:03 non hub usb hum? Jun 22 14:45:42 no way it isn't even detected Jun 22 14:46:19 and i did connect it to a root usb for sure - the mouse usb, right next to the power supply Jun 22 15:24:07 still no cigar Jun 22 15:24:13 so im gonna smoke one Jun 22 15:24:16 ette... Jun 22 15:42:27 guys is there a bios on n900? Jun 22 15:43:00 you have TI bootloader then NOLO (nokia bootloader) Jun 22 15:43:04 then uboot and/or kernel Jun 22 15:43:11 no "bios" afaict Jun 22 15:43:13 hm ok Jun 22 15:43:17 (not strictly speaking) Jun 22 15:43:35 so if i got a kernel panic i go as far as the kernel right? Jun 22 15:43:49 if it is really a kernel panic, then yes Jun 22 15:43:54 so np with the ti bootloader and nolo i ghuess Jun 22 15:43:57 ok Jun 22 15:43:59 it is Jun 22 15:44:03 it says so at least Jun 22 15:44:29 but what boots the phone into update mode? Jun 22 15:44:38 it's before the kernel right? Jun 22 15:44:54 is it nolo? Jun 22 15:44:54 into flash mode you mean? that'd be NOLO Jun 22 15:44:58 k Jun 22 15:45:01 iirc Jun 22 15:46:34 then it should do that.. i dont get it Jun 22 15:47:04 i tried 3 cables Jun 22 15:47:09 i dont have the original Jun 22 15:48:41 aren't there any other keyboard hooks besides "u"? Jun 22 15:48:50 maybe i disabled r&d mode idk Jun 22 15:49:40 I don't think you need r&d mode to reflash (?) Jun 22 15:49:58 probably i dunno :P Jun 22 15:50:03 weird Jun 22 15:58:14 im not the only one with this problem tho Jun 22 16:23:09 tried it on elementaryOS now Jun 22 16:23:18 same luck Jun 22 16:25:15 i've heard about a serial port Jun 22 16:25:27 in the n900 board Jun 22 16:25:31 does it exist? Jun 22 16:27:05 is there a way to interface with the n900 storage without having it turn on, necessarily? Jun 22 16:27:19 internal* storage Jun 22 16:38:03 it does exist Jun 22 16:38:27 not sure you want to fiddle with it on your main device though Jun 22 16:44:29 hm well i seem to be out of options anyways Jun 22 16:44:39 what is it? Jun 22 16:44:52 i've got a bit of unix experience Jun 22 16:45:09 eventually i might be able to get it working Jun 22 16:45:53 a serial port? Jun 22 16:45:59 its not my "main" device... because i bricked it lel Jun 22 16:47:24 hopefully just kinda bricked it Jun 22 16:48:13 what did you mean when you said it does exist bencoh? Jun 22 16:52:28 seriously i did exactly the steps listed in "updating the firmware". and it did work before. I checked out some of the bash in /etc and i really wanted to optimize. have it only boot what i want Jun 22 16:53:06 if there is an alternate way of putting the phone in update mode (which i believe there should be) Jun 22 16:53:11 please tell me. Jun 22 16:53:24 i dunno Jun 22 16:53:29 i'm freaking out sorry Jun 22 16:53:43 it just seems a little bugged Jun 22 16:54:41 i got this phone off ebay because i believe it's one of the most "open" phones there is Jun 22 16:54:56 i think that progress lies not in corporate agendas Jun 22 16:55:46 so i really wanted it. One doesn't learn much when all his software does unknown things. Jun 22 16:55:54 but damn Jun 22 16:56:09 this randomness is pretty god damn unknown Jun 22 16:56:12 quirinpa: I think you should try and camly read the wiki pages about flashing Jun 22 16:56:24 i really, really did. Jun 22 16:56:24 re-read* Jun 22 16:56:32 dude Jun 22 16:56:39 i did Jun 22 16:56:50 battery isn't flat I guess Jun 22 16:56:56 no it isnt Jun 22 16:57:22 lsusb doesn't say anything when phone is plugged with keyboard opened and u pressed? Jun 22 16:57:28 nope Jun 22 16:57:32 nothing Jun 22 16:57:45 but Jun 22 16:57:54 the phone turns on when i plug in the usb Jun 22 16:58:07 so its not as if there's a problem with the connector Jun 22 16:58:09 okay, that's good at least Jun 22 16:58:16 yah Jun 22 16:58:18 usb works with rescueOS? Jun 22 16:58:26 (does rescueOS still boot?) Jun 22 16:58:40 no because the boot option of the kernel is wrong Jun 22 16:58:56 but before it was sometimes detected bu the pc Jun 22 16:59:08 and i could reboot the phone with the correct boot option Jun 22 16:59:15 unfortunately, not anymore Jun 22 16:59:42 "detected"? Jun 22 16:59:47 by flaher? Jun 22 16:59:56 well Jun 22 17:00:01 by 0xffff Jun 22 17:00:17 but i would assume flasher too Jun 22 17:00:24 by my os Jun 22 17:00:58 it worked properly but not all the time Jun 22 17:01:08 maybe it is corrupt? Jun 22 17:01:09 I'd try flasher on linux to be honest Jun 22 17:01:35 but lsusb doesn't even detect the phone Jun 22 17:01:43 it doesn't even boot to update mode Jun 22 17:01:52 :( Jun 22 17:01:56 anyway Jun 22 17:02:04 that's odd yeah and I hope you really dont have a connector issue Jun 22 17:02:13 thanks for your patience, it's not your responsibility Jun 22 17:02:17 me too Jun 22 17:02:30 thanks dude. u've been awesome Jun 22 17:02:32 this phone *really* is great and not that easy to brick btw Jun 22 17:02:45 i've heard.. Jun 22 17:02:51 so it's worth trying or rebuying it if anything else fails btw Jun 22 17:03:04 i think so too.. Jun 22 17:03:21 we'll see.. Jun 22 17:03:26 i'll try again later Jun 22 17:03:48 thanks for trying to help Jun 22 17:03:57 cheers! i'm still hopeful :) Jun 22 17:04:09 maybe i'm just being dumb Jun 22 17:04:16 its very plausible Jun 22 17:04:19 :P Jun 22 17:04:25 cya dude :) thx Jun 22 17:04:38 are u a dev? Jun 22 17:04:55 yes, I am Jun 22 17:04:59 oh Jun 22 17:05:33 well good job with maemo, it's awesome Jun 22 17:05:46 I'm not a maemo dev though Jun 22 17:05:53 oh :P Jun 22 17:05:58 i assumed :P Jun 22 17:06:01 sorry Jun 22 17:06:04 mybad :) Jun 22 17:06:50 well nice to meet u, i'm a dev too although i'm too dumb for college i think so i didn't have many jobs :P Jun 22 17:07:00 only internships its sad really Jun 22 17:07:03 lol jkn Jun 22 17:07:08 bye man ty so much Jun 22 17:07:39 cheers! Jun 22 18:56:32 lsusb diesn't do shit when device doesn't boot up. What you want is a mere clean reflashing, starting the flasher so it listens to USB, then plug in the *POWERED OFF* N900 to USB. The instructions in ~lazyflashing are even more foolproof in that they recommend inserting battery only after starting flasher and plugging in the phone Jun 22 18:57:21 nfc how quirinpa managed to *flash* rescueOS, but a plain full reflash should recover the device no doubt Jun 22 18:57:44 DO NOT COLDFLASH!!! Jun 22 19:01:15 when that dev isn't capable to rewrite flash-it-all.sh (the script doing lazyflashing) to use 0xFFFF instead of maemo flasher, then they for sure should stay away from "low level OS experiments" Jun 22 19:04:42 particularly since N900 on a low level works quite different to your usual PC. It's embedded, it's ARM, it has no BIOS, no Grub(2) and no way to boot from external medium, neither to dd any raw images to any storage partitions Jun 22 19:13:59 rescueOS is as close to "boot from external medium" as it gets Jun 22 20:13:38 is anyone else's gmail refusing to send via imap? Jun 22 20:13:51 smtp rather Jun 22 22:26:17 xes: thanks a lot man :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 23 03:00:04 2017