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Jun 26 10:20:58 <kerio> i think it's time
Jun 26 10:21:06 <kerio> ;-;
Jun 26 12:26:57 <mike727> Enquired about an advertised 'white 64gb N9' online. He said he hadn't any problems with it and hasn't been used for the past 3yrs, was about to seal the deal; then asked him to test cellular.
Jun 26 12:29:28 <mike727> It seems that it doesn't recognise a working sim card. I asked him a few things, speculating about hardware or software issues.
Jun 26 12:30:46 <mike727> He's quite sure it's just software related and offerered a discount. Asked him a few more questions and he hasn't respondered since.
Jun 26 12:33:26 <mike727> It looks immaculate (as his description) apart from the chrome strip. Worth the risk for $80AUD  ?? 
Jun 26 13:00:46 <sixwheeledbeast^> Depends how much you want an N9 I suppose.
Jun 26 13:35:27 <mike727> hmm. Yeah, I shouldn't be greedy; I already x2  64gb black n9. Cheers.
Jun 26 13:35:39 <mike727> *have
Jun 26 14:14:11 <DocScrutinizer05> N9 not rally known to have hw issues with cellmo
Jun 26 14:15:21 <DocScrutinizer05> however *might* be a mech-electrical issue with the "slot-in" SIM holder's contacts, particularly when somebody used a SIM in adapter frame
Jun 26 14:16:18 <sixwheeledbeast^> I just wouldn't want an N9, not that I've used one. It just seemed the wrong direction at the time
Jun 26 14:16:53 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~aegis
Jun 26 14:16:54 <infobot> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or  http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif
Jun 26 14:16:58 <DocScrutinizer05> same here
Jun 26 14:17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo aegis
Jun 26 14:17:12 <infobot> aegis -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Sat Sep 24 21:21:15 2011 (2101 days); last modified at Sat Sep 24 21:21:22 2011 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 137 times, last by sixwheeledbeast^, 19s ago.
Jun 26 14:17:36 <sixwheeledbeast^> I understood competing with Android etc
Jun 26 14:18:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Android is "better" - more closed and thus more open when rooted
Jun 26 14:18:50 <DocScrutinizer05> while android has a hard shell, aegis sits everywhere inside that N9
Jun 26 14:20:31 <DocScrutinizer05> basically AIUI when you once cracked the shell / armor of a Android, it's pretty much similar to a "normal" linux, as far as Android can ever be normal linux. On HARM you only can crack the whole thing by implementing your own kernel
Jun 26 14:21:28 <DocScrutinizer05> so from a security POV aegis > android security. For power users the relation gets reverted
Jun 26 14:25:41 <sixwheeledbeast^> Point being coming from an N900 to an N9 would be a downgrade IMO.
Jun 26 14:27:07 <DocScrutinizer05> it felt like that, yes
Jun 26 14:27:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I used mine a 5 days
Jun 26 14:27:52 <sixwheeledbeast^> Although at the moment moving to anything else is a downgrade :(  Even if it is more powerful and modern etc etc
Jun 26 14:28:05 <DocScrutinizer05> now I should keep the pieces, and maybe even see if it possibly could get re-assembled
Jun 26 15:36:37 <sicelo> i'm worried about what next after my n900 too
Jun 26 15:37:26 <sicelo> i've put up a few ads this side trying to get n900's in any condition for parts. no responses yet :-(
Jun 26 16:08:09 <sixwheeledbeast^> I have hardware spares for the future and I am still hopeful for the neo900 project.
Jun 26 17:51:08 <sicelo> ~ham
Jun 26 17:51:08 <infobot> i guess ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
Jun 26 17:51:46 <sicelo> ~speedy-ham
Jun 26 17:51:51 <sicelo> ~speedyham
Jun 26 17:51:52 <infobot> somebody said speedyham was 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU.
Jun 26 18:52:48 <sicelo> i'm on cssu-thumb, running 2.6.28.10-cssu3 kernel. now i'm trying to install replacement bme, and apt wants to install pk. i guess the depencies need adjusting there 
Jun 26 18:55:13 <sicelo> maybe my understanding is wrong, but i think cssu3 kernel = pk53?
Jun 26 19:19:32 <xes> freemangordon: so which is the plan for tls 1.2 https pages? :)
Jun 26 22:15:10 <freemangordon> xes: I don't think we have one :(
Jun 26 22:16:47 <freemangordon> cssu is effectively dead, fremantle port to devuan seems to be progressing way slower than I hoped, so...
Jun 26 22:19:19 <xes> and maemo-browser uses internal nss to connect to https ..isn't it?
Jun 26 22:30:12 <freemangordon> afaik yes
Jun 26 22:31:09 <freemangordon> but I doubt we'll be able to port newer nss. And even if we are able, we don;t have any means to distribute it
Jun 26 22:54:19 <freemangordon> xes: the point is that I don't see any other dev (besides Wizzup, but it seems he has already too much stuff on the plate) interested in helping with maemo port
Jun 26 22:55:11 <xes> freemangordon: actual devuan image can be used also in chroot?
Jun 26 22:55:21 <freemangordon> the best we could hope for is 2 or 3 more devs, porting FOSS stuff, with me doing the REing work
Jun 26 22:55:25 <freemangordon> I doubt
Jun 26 22:55:47 <freemangordon> it has jessie libc, and maemo kernel is too old afaik
Jun 26 22:59:11 <freemangordon> xes: you may want to look at https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk
Jun 26 22:59:38 <freemangordon> it is really easy to be used, and you 
Jun 26 22:59:52 <freemangordon> can tweak the board script to your needs
Jun 26 23:00:09 <freemangordon> like pre-installing lxde or whatever
Jun 26 23:02:26 <freemangordon> xes: on https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk/blob/next/boards/nokia-n900.sh#L36 you may add whatever packages you need to be installed in the image
Jun 26 23:05:09 <xes> very interesting and also pretty easy to guess
Jun 26 23:05:20 <freemangordon> mhm
Jun 26 23:08:32 <xes> mhm?
Jun 26 23:10:53 <freemangordon> I mean - yes, it is interesting and easy :)
Jun 26 23:11:24 <freemangordon> anyway, I am going to have some sleep
Jun 26 23:11:27 <freemangordon> night
Jun 26 23:12:48 <xes> goodnight
Jun 27 00:48:12 <err0r3o3> got a sencond n900 today, so i have an test device now =)
Jun 27 02:04:12 <sunshavi> Hi freemangordon
Jun 27 02:04:44 <sunshavi> I have had jessie until last week (now on strech)
Jun 27 02:17:45 <sunshavi> http://termbin.com/tlua
Jun 27 02:20:58 <sunshavi> kotczarny shared his n900 chroot with me (I installed on the orange pi ). With that chroot I was able of compiling more than one package (for n900). So the best bet could be something similar for devuan. Perhaps We could prepare a devuan-chroot for orange pi. Then anyone with an h3 device (4 cores) could compile more than one package. That way we could make a list of pendant packages and more than one person could compile it.
Jun 27 02:28:29 <DocScrutinizer05> the idea was to keep the repos, nit to rebuild them
Jun 27 02:28:34 <DocScrutinizer05> not*
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