**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 27 03:00:08 2017 Jun 27 06:24:59 cssu effectively dead - sad news, but understandable Jun 27 06:31:00 sicelo: uh? Jun 27 06:31:56 see fmg comment above Jun 27 06:32:56 ah Jun 27 06:34:58 i would be happy with a non-maemo n900 that can do calls and good power management Jun 27 06:36:58 i havent run my n900 with a new kernel since the 3.16 days .. i should test how well things work currently Jun 27 06:44:37 sicelo: there are several aspects here: maemo (as community and/or as a platform) and n900 Jun 27 06:45:54 i understand fmg to refer to maemo as a platform Jun 27 06:55:10 unfortunately, i dont have any better ideas to keep maemo alive or up-to-date Jun 27 09:20:37 what do people do with the n900 these days Jun 27 09:20:47 what is the MOST useful thing users in here do with theirs Jun 27 09:24:24 phonecalls Jun 27 09:24:30 tbh I don't do much with it. phone/sms, marble (gps navigation), irc (remote irssi over ssh), a few pictures here and there (fcamera/stock camera), music playback (cmus) Jun 27 09:24:47 I couldn't keep it as my main device Jun 27 09:25:04 because of the web browser? Jun 27 09:25:19 because of a lot of apps that it couldn't do Jun 27 09:26:13 and yeah browsing the web is a sort of important aspect of a phone Jun 27 09:26:40 I've had to put up with a normal android keyboard, and the "linux lite" aspect of android Jun 27 09:26:45 which I don't give a fuck about to be honest. Jun 27 09:27:49 I have two of these, with no simcards, but wondering what I can do with them Jun 27 09:29:12 You can sell them Jun 27 09:29:37 I don't relaly bother selling things Jun 27 10:12:52 mine is my main device. i do everything with it Jun 27 10:26:16 same here. Jun 27 10:31:00 "i do everything"... sadly it stops in front of pages like: https://www.kernel.org Jun 27 10:31:58 you can run mainline linux and xfce on it Jun 27 10:42:03 true xes. 'everything' in a relative way :-) Jun 27 10:42:19 wut! my n900 opened that one :-/ Jun 27 10:44:36 http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-20170627-124233-OOLGSaPe.png Jun 27 11:06:30 unless i missed something? Jun 27 11:07:25 I get a "connection interrupted" Jun 27 11:07:35 because of TLS I suppose Jun 27 11:08:26 Sicelo009N: I wonder if you're not behind a proxy that mitm ssl connections as well Jun 27 11:08:40 you should check certificate Jun 27 11:11:30 ah yes i was at that time Jun 27 11:11:47 dman work network Jun 27 11:11:51 :) Jun 27 11:12:00 unfortunately that's quite common Jun 27 11:12:20 but' it's still working even on my mobile operator Jun 27 11:12:46 which reminds me ... we could actually do something about that tls issue without backporting a recent nss into browserd Jun 27 11:13:18 one could use a local embedded proxy (running on n900) Jun 27 11:13:31 built against a recent libssl Jun 27 11:15:00 it is definitely opening on mine somehow and now i'm ont behind any mitm (unless now my cell-op is doing the mitm) Jun 27 11:15:17 or let me clear cache Jun 27 11:16:26 cert is Gandhi Jun 27 11:20:40 that's a nice idea though bencoh Jun 27 11:22:45 well my n900 still opens it after clearing cache. i give up Jun 27 11:24:41 interesting Jun 27 11:30:04 i h Jun 27 11:31:05 i use one as main cellphone, and another one as "terminal" Jun 27 11:31:55 with debian 3G data and ssh Jun 27 11:34:40 (will reboot n900 and test again) Jun 27 11:38:19 https://kernel.org I get a "connection interrupted" too Jun 27 11:38:41 https://www.kernel.org works Jun 27 11:39:52 ah, could be that then. Jun 27 11:41:14 interesting Jun 27 11:41:20 but cant download anything because ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap Jun 27 11:41:26 tried it on pc .. kernel.org redirects to www.kernel.org seemingly Jun 27 12:22:38 someone running arch linux on n900? Jun 27 12:25:10 spent the last week to get it working and failed.. Jun 27 12:25:41 u-boot doesn't find my uImage Jun 27 12:27:41 what would arch linux do for the n900 Jun 27 12:28:03 rape and pilage Jun 27 12:28:07 its arrrrrrrrrrrrg linux Jun 27 12:29:07 I run that as my main OS Jun 27 12:29:14 just because the other ones suck more than it does Jun 27 12:29:31 there seem to be fewer rules Jun 27 12:31:02 pacman , my package manager of joice Jun 27 12:31:23 the kiss principle Jun 27 12:31:35 arch doesn't do that Jun 27 12:31:52 its just my favorite linux distro Jun 27 12:41:06 haha, 'rape and pilage' :-D Jun 27 13:40:25 as much as a linux distro can do that Jun 27 13:40:27 which is none at all Jun 27 13:45:36 iirc some people eventually succeeded in running arch on n900 Jun 27 13:46:03 and uboot unable to find uImage doesn't sound like such a big issue Jun 27 13:50:46 err0r3o3_: pacman is KISS? weird Jun 27 13:50:59 either way, you change your uboot menu? Jun 27 13:56:42 nothing about arch is kiss Jun 27 14:42:25 arch linux? i thought it was quite simple Jun 27 14:42:48 you can run mainline linux and xfce on it - on N900? Jun 27 14:43:40 freemangordon, Wizzup: tomorrow we have a video conference with the devuan devs Jun 27 14:43:53 i hope to figure out the shit Jun 27 14:44:00 (finally) Jun 27 14:44:17 Yay Jun 27 14:44:27 NeKit: why not Jun 27 14:44:51 you're welcome to join in Jun 27 14:44:58 22:30 our time Jun 27 14:45:26 20:30 utc Jun 27 14:45:27 I'm too sick, infection of the lungs Jun 27 14:45:39 oh crap Jun 27 14:48:22 yes i changed my u-boot menu and updated it, also run sdboot doesn't work.. Jun 27 14:49:44 i compiled the stable kernel from kernel.org with dts Jun 27 14:50:05 should i better try the 4.9 from pali? Jun 27 14:52:37 yes Jun 27 14:52:55 this is completely unrelated to uboot not finding it, but still Jun 27 15:04:49 note that N900-dts in mainline is basically unmaintained since nobody but freemangordon and/or pali will do anything about it afaik Jun 27 15:05:33 so Pali's version of kernel is better any day Jun 27 15:05:56 DocScrutinizer05: and sre Jun 27 15:06:14 he still looks into N900? Jun 27 15:07:09 afaict he still posts / acks stuff related to n900 hw to lkml Jun 27 15:07:42 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/3/4/82 for instance Jun 27 15:07:55 (and pavel, too) Jun 27 15:58:20 anyone using riot? https://about.riot.im https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web Jun 27 16:13:18 DocScrutinizer05: actually dts in mainline is maintained Jun 27 16:13:45 by you and pali, I guess :-) Jun 27 16:14:15 ot saying that's bad, just that nobody else takes care, afaik Jun 27 16:14:19 not* Jun 27 16:14:26 wrong, see https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts Jun 27 16:14:37 it is not only me and pali Jun 27 16:14:59 sebastian and pavel are doing most of the work on it lately Jun 27 16:15:14 ugh, nope, Linus Torvalds? I guess I have no idea what I'm looking at Jun 27 16:15:27 hmm? Jun 27 16:15:41 this is today's linux master Jun 27 16:15:48 branch Jun 27 16:15:57 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts?id=5c73cc4b6c83e88863a5de869cc5df3b913aef4a Jun 27 16:16:08 committer: Linus Jun 27 16:16:28 this is linus pulling some other tree Jun 27 16:16:55 yeah, nevermind I have no clue about git Jun 27 16:17:12 he is the only one with rights to push in master branch afaik Jun 27 16:18:02 I just seem to understand that https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts doesn't tell me who's contributing to N900 branch specifically Jun 27 16:18:26 there is no "n900 branch" Jun 27 16:18:42 see? Jun 27 16:18:46 this is linux kernel master branch Jun 27 16:19:01 made my point I guess Jun 27 16:19:05 NFC Jun 27 16:19:11 indeed ;p Jun 27 16:19:21 but for individual files or directories you may check the history, thus https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts Jun 27 16:19:53 maybe I missed your point, however my point was that it is not only me and Pali :) Jun 27 16:20:08 good! Jun 27 16:20:18 err0r3o3_: you'd better use mainline kernel tree Jun 27 16:20:42 freemangordon: why? Jun 27 16:20:47 u-boot unable to find the uImage has nothing to do with the kernel version itself Jun 27 16:21:16 LOL for sure not Jun 27 16:21:44 bencoh: because there is nothing on Pali's tree needed by upstream distros and it has "hacks" neede by maemo which may interfere Jun 27 16:22:20 I thought it included unmergeable/not-yet-merged patches as well? Jun 27 16:22:25 upstream has even bluetooth and cameras, how functional is another story, but still :) Jun 27 16:22:40 while we're at it, how would I actually check who committed to a particular file in git? Jun 27 16:22:42 bencoh: it contains, but those are neede by maemo Jun 27 16:22:54 DocScrutinizer05: git log Jun 27 16:23:02 web git ;-P Jun 27 16:23:09 use "log" Jun 27 16:23:24 and then find or what? Jun 27 16:23:58 ooh you say https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts actually has edits to that particular file only? Jun 27 16:24:06 yes Jun 27 16:24:17 ;_ Jun 27 16:24:17 thanks Jun 27 16:24:20 ;) Jun 27 16:24:42 (19,19,20) freemangordon: but for individual files or directories you may check the history, thus https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts Jun 27 16:24:48 :p Jun 27 16:26:02 parazyd: good, I hope we'll have some concrete outcome, even negative Jun 27 16:26:29 still lost when looking at https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3-n900.dts?id=5a6b7e53d035db7941b27122365cca9f2e912596 seems it's only unrelated edits Jun 27 16:27:01 DocScrutinizer05: no, look at diffstat down the page Jun 27 16:27:03 indeed Jun 27 16:27:53 nevermind Jun 27 16:28:38 bencoh: whatever possible from pali's tree was already upstreamed Jun 27 16:29:10 afaik Jun 27 16:29:43 * DocScrutinizer05 shudders thinking of dts patches for Neo900 Jun 27 16:30:03 bencoh: ah, while you;re here - do you plan to package libplayback, or I should do it? I am not pushing, but asking to know how to plan my time :) Jun 27 16:30:23 though it's meant to be as hw-compatible as it gets, we have quite a few new things in there Jun 27 16:30:41 I'm terribly sorry about it, I should've updated you on friday - didn't have a moment Jun 27 16:31:28 freemangordon: how would kernel(?) decide which DTS (???) is the right one to use, IOW how does kernel know which device it's running on? Jun 27 16:31:29 no need to sorry, I am overloaded as well so it is understandable. So I assume you won;t have time and I will have to do it, right? Jun 27 16:32:02 DocScrutinizer05: in case of n900 you "attach" dtb to the kernel zImage Jun 27 16:32:17 oooh good, so simple and straight forward Jun 27 16:32:39 outright easy Jun 27 16:32:58 for devices where bootloader supports DT, DTB is passed by bootloader to the kernel, afaik Jun 27 16:33:07 yep Jun 27 16:33:11 now neo900 DTS 'only' needs new sensors and a few changed switches Jun 27 16:33:33 and a new CPU and memory and flash description :) Jun 27 16:33:35 new LEDs Jun 27 16:33:37 etc Jun 27 16:33:49 yeah, that too Jun 27 16:34:01 though that's pretty much same as GTA04 Jun 27 16:34:20 so Nikolaus should already have accomplished all that Jun 27 16:34:21 maybe it is better to ruse GTA04 DTS Jun 27 16:34:27 *reuse Jun 27 16:34:31 :nod: Jun 27 16:34:39 merge, somegow Jun 27 16:34:44 yep Jun 27 16:34:46 *how Jun 27 16:39:02 freemangordon: I wouldn't build on me doing it, yeah :/ Jun 27 16:39:32 oik Jun 27 16:39:35 *ok Jun 27 17:23:00 DocScrutinizer05: as far as mainlining the neo900 dts goes it's going to be its own dts file Jun 27 19:33:07 ok, arch is running now with the mainline kernel Jun 27 19:33:21 this time i build on a debian machine Jun 27 19:33:25 :) Jun 27 20:35:58 freemangordon: merlin1991: what do you DTS guys need to create the Neo900 DTS? I probably can already provide everything needed Jun 27 20:36:46 except for a real test platform, which will take a "few weeks" longer until we got some Jun 27 20:38:57 I guess what you need is I2C/whatever address and exact type of sensor/actor chip? Jun 27 20:40:23 plus the DTS of latest (huge-RAM, DM3730) GTA04 Jun 27 20:42:09 btw we finally decided to use original N900 kbd concept (kbd matrix scanner of TWL4030), so the new dedicated matrix scanner chip will be in Neo900 proto_v2 only Jun 27 20:42:42 one less new driver/DTS patch needed Jun 27 20:43:00 for final Neo900 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 28 03:00:04 2017