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Jul 04 07:56:49 <halftux> sicelo: irssi from repos is working now as it should. Perl is working and ssl too. Conected with "/connect -ssl_verify -ssl_capath /etc/certs/common-ca/ chat.freenode.net 6697 well done going to vote now :)
Jul 04 08:06:57 <bencoh> :)
Jul 04 08:13:28 <sicelo> that's very much for the handholding!
Jul 04 08:13:32 <sicelo> *thanks
Jul 04 08:24:08 <halftux> no problem ... hope to see more updated packages ;)
Jul 04 08:30:49 <Vajb> thx sicelo and halftux, gonna install it soon
Jul 04 08:31:10 <Vajb> btw is anyone running maemo on rasberry pi yet?
Jul 04 08:31:25 <Vajb> asking coz my friend has it
Jul 04 08:31:38 <Vajb> i mean pi
Jul 04 08:31:39 <KotCzarny> vajb: no, but procedure is the same as for mainline linux
Jul 04 08:31:52 <KotCzarny> ie. whatever fmg does with his allwinner tablet
Jul 04 08:31:58 <KotCzarny> it's just linux
Jul 04 08:32:11 <Vajb> ok thx KotCzarny 
Jul 04 08:32:39 <KotCzarny> we are limited on n900 by old kernel/libs
Jul 04 08:32:44 <KotCzarny> rpi should be newer enough
Jul 04 08:34:15 <KotCzarny> also, it's not 'running maemo', but porting h-d and friends
Jul 04 08:41:40 <sicelo> by the way, where does one edit their maemo.org profiles (not tmo). i remember it appears as a 'band' on one of the pages, but can't see it now
Jul 04 08:47:20 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/account/ this?
Jul 04 08:47:54 <KotCzarny> garage and m.o accounts are connected i think
Jul 04 08:51:08 <sicelo> not that :)
Jul 04 08:56:07 <KotCzarny> the only other page i know is user profile on t.m.o
Jul 04 08:56:37 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/usercp.php
Jul 04 08:56:53 <KotCzarny> don't remember seeing any other profile page
Jul 04 08:59:14 <KotCzarny> well, w.m.o is the other one but that is separate from m.o
Jul 04 09:01:02 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/profile/edit/
Jul 04 09:01:08 <KotCzarny> this one maybe?
Jul 04 09:01:43 <KotCzarny> but i think it's using same data as the garage one
Jul 04 09:52:01 <sicelo> yes thanks KotCzarny. that last one :)
Jul 04 09:52:12 <KotCzarny> google power!
Jul 04 09:52:16 <sicelo> it's not same as garage
Jul 04 09:56:43 <sixwheeledbeast^> They are all separate sites tied together with midgard. hence multiple a/c pages
Jul 04 10:18:35 <Vajb> back with the new version. Perl seems to work since errors are gone.
Jul 04 11:02:25 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: xes:  http://maemo.org/profile/publish/   http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/04/plasma-desktopDl8317.png  http://static.maemo.org:81/stock-icons/16x16/stock_mark.png 404
Jul 04 11:47:08 <sicelo> sgx hangups on my N900 - i forgot now what needs to be done
Jul 04 11:47:51 <KotCzarny> reboot?
Jul 04 11:48:21 <sicelo> it reoccurs randomly
Jul 04 11:48:48 <sicelo> i'll look at it later .. but i remember that there are some few things to  do
Jul 04 12:02:13 * DocScrutinizer05 seems to recall there was an election pending. Any news on that?
Jul 04 12:09:28 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, it's already in my email. I think with that hush noise you make about elections (nothing at all in IRC about it) there will be very poor electorate contribution
Jul 04 12:11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> juiceme: who of council manages the elections? I hope you know, and got credentials for, http://maemo.org/vote/admin.php
Jul 04 12:13:56 <DocScrutinizer05> juiceme: I'm wondering since I seem to recall I read that >>for election you need some knowhow about database management<< OWTTE. You don't, the frontend makes it a matter of clicking a button to count the votes and publish the results
Jul 04 12:18:30 <bencoh> is that council election?
Jul 04 12:20:03 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jul 04 12:20:18 <DocScrutinizer05> and ERR *COUGHCOUGH*
Jul 04 12:20:22 <DocScrutinizer05> A full list of candidates and their reasons for running can be found at:
Jul 04 12:20:24 <DocScrutinizer05>     http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2017/Candidate_declarations
Jul 04 12:21:54 <DocScrutinizer05> if you got no token yet, just proceed to http://maemo.org/vote/vote.php?election_id=48 and click "Get Token"
Jul 04 12:23:05 <DocScrutinizer05> the non-existing wiki page with the woefully missing "full list of candidates and their reasons for running" is pathetic though
Jul 04 12:25:30 <DocScrutinizer05> at least there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2017
Jul 04 12:44:34 <KotCzarny> add ~flashing to topic
Jul 04 12:45:25 <juiceme> DocScrutinizer05, I created the election
Jul 04 12:45:37 <DocScrutinizer05> juiceme: hi! :-)
Jul 04 12:45:41 <DocScrutinizer05> everything fine?
Jul 04 12:45:41 <juiceme> :)
Jul 04 12:46:10 <juiceme> about the db, well yes there are some thing you need to do manually, still...
Jul 04 12:46:28 <DocScrutinizer05> no, not back when I managed a few elections
Jul 04 12:46:52 <DocScrutinizer05> except for adding members that fell through the electorate list generation filter
Jul 04 12:47:02 <juiceme> for example the updating from midgard to elections database needs to be done manually (well it's a script but anyways)
Jul 04 12:47:09 <DocScrutinizer05> and for that there's also a frontend in admin
Jul 04 12:47:23 <juiceme> yes, that's the reason, update/remove people
Jul 04 12:47:27 <DocScrutinizer05> no, that script gets triggered from admin frontend
Jul 04 12:47:49 <DocScrutinizer05> adding/removing members also has a frontend
Jul 04 12:47:59 <DocScrutinizer05> though a clumsy one
Jul 04 12:48:18 <juiceme> since there are few who have removed their accounts and don't want to be part of maemo any longer, but their accounts still pop up to db from time to time
Jul 04 12:48:36 <juiceme> it's a bug in the accounts management
Jul 04 12:48:58 <juiceme> also, to check if there are people who's e karma is not correct, to tweak that
Jul 04 12:49:28 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, that's a pita mainly because of /usr/local/bin/garage_sync.sh
Jul 04 12:49:33 <juiceme> but you are correct, it's *mostly* doable from the webfront
Jul 04 12:49:57 <juiceme> yes, the garagesync is amazingly slow
Jul 04 12:50:13 <DocScrutinizer05> it doesn't even delete accounts, for reasons of "failsafe"
Jul 04 12:50:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ever*
Jul 04 12:50:24 <juiceme> yep
Jul 04 12:50:53 <DocScrutinizer05> workaround: change email addr to nobody@localhost or sth
Jul 04 12:51:09 <juiceme> mmh yes, that could work ok.
Jul 04 12:52:33 <juiceme> and regarding the 'get token email' to fox if not got it... well that works if your karma is correct, else it doesn't :)
Jul 04 12:52:41 <DocScrutinizer05> in tough cases (when users insist on their data getting deleted) ask warfare
Jul 04 12:52:51 <juiceme> it only sends you mail if it already did
Jul 04 12:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jul 04 12:53:46 <sicelo> by the way, the system sent me two voting tokens
Jul 04 12:53:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and karma calculation is prolly still broken and stall at what it been 4 years ago
Jul 04 12:54:06 <juiceme> sicelo huh??
Jul 04 12:54:11 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: that's ODD
Jul 04 12:54:19 <KotCzarny> rigged!
Jul 04 12:54:25 <DocScrutinizer05> to same email addr?
Jul 04 12:54:25 <sicelo> haha
Jul 04 12:54:26 <sicelo> :D
Jul 04 12:54:29 <juiceme> have you registered 2 accounts?
Jul 04 12:54:57 <sicelo> KotCzarny: i couldn't vote for myself. not ethical. nor did i use both tokens. just used one
Jul 04 12:55:04 <juiceme> you really got 2 *different* tokens? or same mail twice?
Jul 04 12:55:06 <KotCzarny> just kidding, you know
Jul 04 12:55:29 <sicelo> juiceme: no, just 1 one account. could be that my account was renamed (from qhubekela to sicelo)
Jul 04 12:55:43 <DocScrutinizer05> same email addr?
Jul 04 12:55:53 <sicelo> yes, same email addy, different tokens
Jul 04 12:56:00 <DocScrutinizer05> BAAAD
Jul 04 12:56:05 <juiceme> yes, but that's a kind of loophole there that'd enable someone to vote n times... just register many email addresses.
Jul 04 12:56:24 <DocScrutinizer05> now THAT is an issue only possioble to tackle on DB SQL level
Jul 04 12:56:29 <juiceme> sicelo ahh, that could be the reason.
Jul 04 12:56:37 <sicelo> juiceme: i can give you my address if it would hlep
Jul 04 12:56:39 <sicelo> *help
Jul 04 12:56:41 <juiceme> had you requested a rename ?
Jul 04 12:57:02 <juiceme> please do, I'll fix 'em databases
Jul 04 12:57:06 <sicelo> yes i did. i don't remember exactly when now, but probably last 2 years
Jul 04 12:57:47 <sicelo> juiceme: absicsz with the obvious domain :p
Jul 04 12:57:48 <DocScrutinizer05> the "new account" propagated to the other system via garage_sync.sh, but it didn't delete the "old account"
Jul 04 12:57:51 <juiceme> OK. this the 1st time you got 2 tokens? 
Jul 04 12:58:06 <juiceme> DocScrutinizer05, indeed
Jul 04 12:58:20 <sicelo> yes, that's the crazy thing. 1st time only now. last elections i got only one
Jul 04 12:58:28 <juiceme> anyway, i've got to run now, to catch a train home. cya!
Jul 04 12:58:35 <sicelo> o/
Jul 04 12:58:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you should run a SQL query to spot all duplicate email addr
Jul 04 12:59:34 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly most of them are artifacts
Jul 04 12:59:51 <DocScrutinizer05> delete the older of both records then
Jul 04 13:01:07 <sicelo> ... making sure i don't lose anything :)
Jul 04 13:01:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: there's nothing wrong with voting for yourself. After all whom else would you vote for, or would you not be allowed to vote at all?
Jul 04 13:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> at least I'm pretty sure everybody from Lincoln to Putin vote for themselves
Jul 04 13:02:50 <sicelo> i wouldn't. just me
Jul 04 13:03:06 <DocScrutinizer05> actually NOT voting for yourself is like cheating on your own candidacy
Jul 04 13:03:15 <sicelo> but yes i wouldn't find fault with someone else doing it. it's absolutely ok
Jul 04 13:03:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, when you run for the job, you should vote for yourself since you want it
Jul 04 13:04:31 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you'd prefer to NOT get the job, despite throwing your hat in
Jul 04 13:05:35 <DocScrutinizer05> this could be the first council election with more candidates than votes X-P
Jul 04 13:06:04 <sicelo> at least you will vote :)
Jul 04 13:06:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you're sure? ;-P
Jul 04 13:07:09 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I already did
Jul 04 13:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: if you want to demonstrate dedication to the duty, you could fix http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2017/Candidate_declarations - genuine council duty
Jul 04 13:09:05 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a nice tradition that the coming council's candidates take care though
Jul 04 13:20:02 <sicelo> will look at it
Jul 04 13:35:50 <DocScrutinizer05> it's basically a simple C&P job
Jul 04 13:42:43 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, that took me a while to find: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&from=Community_Council&namespace=0
Jul 04 13:43:59 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway here's precedence http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2014/Candidate_declarations
Jul 04 13:45:30 <DocScrutinizer05> "funny" stuff: http://maemo.org/community/ click "maemo wiki" -> http://maemo.org/community/maemo_wiki/index/ WTF?!
Jul 04 13:46:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 04 13:55:21 * DocScrutinizer05 idly muses about how much longer and for what we need that midgard stuff. Maybe eventually not a migration to midgard2 (considered too difficult even by inventors and maintainers of midgard and maemo-midgard/asgard) but a mere migration to a flat web presence without any friggin CMS behind was OK?
Jul 04 13:56:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ohnoes, the whole autobuilder stuff still needs it
Jul 04 14:18:52 <jrg> alrighty. let me see about getting this n810 wiped 
Jul 04 14:19:12 <jrg> was there much work done to diablo after the n900? probably not i'm guessing? better to just wipe it and return it to stock?
Jul 04 14:19:42 <KotCzarny> probably power kernel for n8x0
Jul 04 14:20:18 <bencoh> and cssu for diablo
Jul 04 14:20:28 <KotCzarny> right.
Jul 04 14:20:43 <KotCzarny> and of course oscp
Jul 04 14:31:47 <jrg> KotCzarny: i can do this with osx/macos?
Jul 04 14:31:52 <jrg> ~flasker
Jul 04 14:31:54 <jrg> oops
Jul 04 14:31:57 <jrg> ~flasher
Jul 04 14:31:57 <infobot> refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Jul 04 14:32:42 <KotCzarny> likely
Jul 04 14:33:32 <jrg> Oops! That page can’t be found.
Jul 04 14:33:37 <jrg> for chakra-project.org
Jul 04 14:34:59 <jrg> http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/ 
Jul 04 14:35:10 <jrg> 32bit dmg there. wonder if that will do it
Jul 04 14:35:58 <KotCzarny> 3.12
Jul 04 14:36:03 <KotCzarny> i think it's wrong
Jul 04 14:36:06 <KotCzarny> you need 3.5
Jul 04 14:36:22 <KotCzarny> ah, it's there too
Jul 04 14:37:21 <jrg> yah but doesn't install in sierra
Jul 04 14:37:43 <jrg> don't have another laptop available either. ah well. guess i'll just save this for another day heh
Jul 04 14:37:44 <KotCzarny> dig out some old x86 laptop?
Jul 04 14:37:55 <jrg> yah. i have one. but it's packed. moving soon. 
Jul 04 14:37:59 <KotCzarny> ahm
Jul 04 14:38:03 <jrg> not that important. figured i'd just get the n810 going again
Jul 04 14:38:14 <jrg> figured i might be able to do it on a mac but guess not on sierra
Jul 04 14:38:36 <KotCzarny> borrow it from some cute neighbour?
Jul 04 14:38:38 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jul 04 14:39:13 <jrg> my girlfriend might get mad about that haha
Jul 04 14:39:30 <KotCzarny> oh well
Jul 04 14:39:36 <bencoh> it probably doesn't work because of libusb (or some other conflicting lib)
Jul 04 14:39:43 <jrg> yah. not that big of a deal. i'll save it for another day. 
Jul 04 14:39:43 <KotCzarny> bencoh: mac
Jul 04 14:39:45 <jrg> bencoh: it won't even install
Jul 04 14:39:49 <bencoh> KotCzarny: still
Jul 04 14:39:53 <bencoh> oh
Jul 04 14:39:54 <jrg> figured it was because sierra doesn't support 32bit anymore?
Jul 04 14:39:57 <bencoh> well then extract it :)
Jul 04 14:39:59 <bencoh> hmm maybe
Jul 04 14:40:07 <bencoh> then you're out of luck
Jul 04 14:40:14 <jrg> for now. i can work on it later. 
Jul 04 14:40:23 <bencoh> or ... you can try 0xffff, but I don't know if it's supposed to have support for n8x0
Jul 04 14:40:27 <KotCzarny> yeah, grab the images, few howtos, tools
Jul 04 14:40:32 <jrg> just figured i'd get it out the way. i have an install on the nand but it just turns off for no apparent reason heh
Jul 04 14:40:43 <KotCzarny> bad battery?
Jul 04 14:40:46 <jrg> no
Jul 04 14:40:49 <jrg> battery is fine
Jul 04 14:40:55 <bencoh> jrg: you could run linux in a vm btw
Jul 04 14:41:00 <jrg> boots. see the screen.. turns off
Jul 04 14:41:08 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jul 04 14:41:27 <jrg> bencoh: yah i suppose. bit too much work to get my n810 working. i have a linux laptop packed away somewhere. some old dell i keep around for stuff like this. 
Jul 04 14:41:41 <bencoh> :)
Jul 04 14:41:42 <jrg> for those odd moments where you actually need to use an optical disc heh
Jul 04 14:42:21 <jrg> i just happened to bump into the n810 while packing and it still worked. i remembered it having this turning off problem but i had a N900 by then and didn't care about the n810 very much
Jul 04 14:42:41 <jrg> i was actually going to just mount it in the car for carman heh
Jul 04 14:43:07 <jrg> i have a bt obd2 reader
Jul 04 14:43:25 <jrg> so i was going to perm mount it... too bad the maps apps for nokia always sucked so bad. otherwise i might use it as a gps as well
Jul 04 14:44:04 <jrg> i can't remember the one that nokia made that came with the n810 but it was absolutely awful. then they made HERE which was / is totally awesome but i highly doubt they ever made it for n810 and if they did i'm sure it's discontinued
Jul 04 14:46:25 <sicelo> HERE does not even work with N900 
Jul 04 14:47:13 <bencoh> apparently maemomapper is supposed to work on diablo
Jul 04 14:49:41 <jrg> don't remember actually using maemomapper.... if i ever get this n810 back in action i may try it out. tbh i just want it for carman if that's even available anymore for codes if i ever receive any
Jul 04 14:50:51 <jrg> not sure if nokia or MS still owns HERE or whatever they call it nowadays but i still use that on my iphone. it's awesome. 
Jul 04 14:51:12 <jrg> too bad the N900 didn't originally come with it.. it came with ovi maps which was absolutely awful
Jul 04 14:51:39 <sicelo> HERE is just newer version of Ovi Maps. 
Jul 04 14:51:51 <jrg> sicelo: didn't seem like one heh
Jul 04 14:52:40 <jrg> ovi maps was awful and not intuitive.. here was. maybe the base was but the ux was completely redone to not suck so badly ... getting simple directions was an absolute task with ovi maps
Jul 04 14:52:46 <sicelo> for codes, n900 also has pyobd ... no idea if it was packaged for n8x0, but should not take a lot to get working
Jul 04 14:56:11 <jrg> ah. i'll check it out once i'm done moving and can get this n810 back in action
Jul 04 14:56:30 <jrg> but i love here. i typically use it before anything else. 
Jul 04 14:56:36 <jrg> it also gives camera warnings. something most apps don't do
Jul 04 15:01:57 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders creating a live linux ISO with flasher and all firmware images
Jul 04 15:02:38 <DocScrutinizer05> fix this issue for good, for the forseeable future as long as there are USB ports to boot from, on X86 machines
Jul 04 15:03:36 <DocScrutinizer05> terible overkill, data volume wise, but who gives a f* in times of 400Mbit/s downlinks
Jul 04 17:36:02 <halftux> btw there is a small live flasher image on tmo for maemo devices without firmware images and in the same thread there is a live image for N900 with firmware image included http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99093
Jul 04 18:08:31 <buZz> omg so exciting
Jul 04 18:08:42 <buZz> i'm gonna put a simcard into a n900 for first time in my life
Jul 04 18:08:43 <buZz> :P
Jul 04 18:08:50 <buZz> so weird, a pda that can call
Jul 04 18:09:29 <buZz> what will they think of next
Jul 04 18:09:38 <Juesto> lol
Jul 04 18:16:36 <buZz> can anyone tell me where 'airplane mode' or whatever the equivalent is in Maemo? :D
Jul 04 18:16:50 <KotCzarny> press power button and select offline
Jul 04 18:17:03 <buZz> ah sweet, tnx
Jul 04 18:17:20 <buZz> dont need to drain battery with pointless reporting of location to celltowers 24/7
Jul 04 18:18:34 <sixwheeledbeast^> Alternatively switch radio off to keep wifi enabled
Jul 04 18:18:45 <buZz> sixwheeledbeast^: how?
Jul 04 18:18:58 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~phone-control
Jul 04 18:19:09 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~phonecontrol
Jul 04 18:19:09 <infobot> i heard phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Jul 04 18:19:40 <sixwheeledbeast^> https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disable_cellular_radio
Jul 04 18:19:48 <sixwheeledbeast^> like that
Jul 04 18:21:55 <buZz> hmhm, cool :)
Jul 04 18:21:57 <buZz> ty
Jul 04 18:55:07 <NeKit> I found out that if hd_comp_mgr_is_portrait() in mb/hd-comp-mgr.h returns true on start when X is in portrait mode, it results in black screen, but can't understand what exactly happens (faking the function to return false makes it render properly)
Jul 04 19:06:27 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: that missing png is not present in any folder
Jul 04 19:06:59 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly irrelevant
Jul 04 19:08:34 <buZz> maybe it cant be seen, for its a ... IR elephant
Jul 04 19:39:57 <KotCzarny> yay!
Jul 04 19:40:05 <KotCzarny> oops. wrong chan
Jul 04 19:47:56 <buZz> :D
Jul 04 20:16:42 <KotCzarny> cute: http://pmp-p.ddns.net/paste/dev/poettering-linux.png
Jul 04 20:28:49 <Wizzup> :D
Jul 04 20:36:41 <DocScrutinizer05> HAH!
Jul 04 20:38:23 <APic> 😎
Jul 05 02:58:18 <stryngs> Happy Independence day!
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