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Jul 14 08:53:31 <Sicelo009N> so from what i understood from freemangordon's explanantion, iphbd is responsible for queuing data for transmission via network. is it possible to tweak/adjust its parameters, e.g. how often it sends?
Jul 14 08:55:16 <Sicelo009N> DocScrutinizer51: perhaps you could change /topic in connection with voting :-)
Jul 14 09:32:55 <Sicelo009N> another unexpected reboot ... swap on uSD not helping
Jul 14 09:37:12 <Sicelo009N> if i didn't love the N900 so much, I'd trash it 
Jul 14 09:39:32 <Sicelo009N> uninstalled cvm/phoneme now (although i've had it before with no issues)
Jul 14 09:40:09 <Wizzup> I use my N900 mostly for calls/sms, casual browsing and (mostly!) xterm+ssh
Jul 14 09:40:14 <Wizzup> Sometimes I use recaller
Jul 14 09:41:25 <Sicelo009N> for me it's everything :-)
Jul 14 09:43:35 <mike727> can you do load speaker with recaller? When I try, I have an echo. I guess it doesn't do sound cancelation like how the phone prevent's feedback during a call.
Jul 14 09:45:39 <L29Ah> buy a few n900s and switch them when they break
Jul 14 09:45:52 <mike727> The n900 was my first phone, had it for 2 years. For me, it's a hassle to install programs, but I still love it. I was stunned when I first figured out FMTX, so awesome.
Jul 14 09:46:20 <mike727> Number 4 is on the way
Jul 14 09:46:29 <Sicelo009N> L29Ah: unfortunately can't find any this side :-(
Jul 14 09:47:29 <L29Ah> ebay?
Jul 14 09:49:16 <mike727> Yes, was unexpected; no one else had bid. I laughed a few months ago seeing one going up so high with the bidding frenzy. Still worth every penny.
Jul 14 09:51:43 <mike727> I'm guessing people had a break from ebay after the site-wide 20% off. So there was less people to find it.
Jul 14 09:54:54 <mike727> *155 off promotion
Jul 14 09:55:00 <mike727> **15%
Jul 14 09:56:15 <Wizzup> Sicelo009N: well, I usually have a laptop with me... :) 
Jul 14 09:57:21 <Sicelo009N> :-)
Jul 14 10:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> mike727: revcaller works great for me, since years and 1000s of calls
Jul 14 10:01:12 <DocScrutinizer05> recaller even
Jul 14 10:01:33 <DocScrutinizer05> only nasty thing: it breaks completely when storage full
Jul 14 10:01:49 <mike727> On "load speaker" ?
Jul 14 10:01:55 <DocScrutinizer05> settings are a tad tricky
Jul 14 10:02:08 <Sicelo009N> i also remember it evidently had a memleak of sorts ..
Jul 14 10:02:09 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jul 14 10:02:21 <DocScrutinizer05> does it?
Jul 14 10:02:49 <mike727> I need some initiative to learn :)
Jul 14 10:03:49 <Sicelo009N> i remember mention of that. iirc even the dev decided to produce orecchiette instead. i could be mistaken .. it's a while a go
Jul 14 10:03:52 <Sicelo009N> *ago
Jul 14 10:04:10 <DocScrutinizer05> I remember I had some unexpected results from "source" setting
Jul 14 10:05:01 <DocScrutinizer05> wellllllll, recaller is a hildon desktop applet, seems they *all* memleaked at time
Jul 14 10:05:14 <Sicelo009N> true :-)
Jul 14 10:06:09 <DocScrutinizer05> one of the worst design decisions in maemo5: desktop applets all being one process
Jul 14 10:07:38 <DocScrutinizer05> mike727: you got CSSU?
Jul 14 10:10:07 <mike727> Currently, I'n not sure. I think I installed it before on one of them.
Jul 14 10:10:24 <DocScrutinizer05> you should get CSSU!
Jul 14 10:10:45 <DocScrutinizer05> it fixes a *lot* of issues, like the memleaks Sicelo009N mentioned
Jul 14 10:11:53 <mike727> Yes, of course. Thank you. Some people need to be told to step out of the fire.
Jul 14 10:12:10 <mike727> lol\
Jul 14 10:19:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo009N: btw you ever used saera? I installed it just recently and was amazed how flawlessly it installed
Jul 14 10:19:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course of the T2S
Jul 14 10:19:43 <DocScrutinizer05> had no chance yet to really test it
Jul 14 10:20:14 <DocScrutinizer05> but it's using pocketsphinx, incredible
Jul 14 10:20:24 <Wizzup> Works on maemo?
Jul 14 10:20:33 <DocScrutinizer05> seems so
Jul 14 10:21:36 <DocScrutinizer05> though I guess pocketsphinx must have evolved into another galaxy since then
Jul 14 10:22:24 <DocScrutinizer05> *maybe* the old pocketsphinx is even better suited for N900
Jul 14 10:22:42 <DocScrutinizer05> recent versions might need octocore ;-P
Jul 14 10:23:01 <Wizzup> not sure what I'd use it for, but fun
Jul 14 10:23:08 <Wizzup> wonder how much battery it eats
Jul 14 10:23:14 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Jul 14 10:23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> that been actually a little... suspicious
Jul 14 10:24:15 <DocScrutinizer05> though afaik it needs activation via buttonpress
Jul 14 10:24:28 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't listen all the time
Jul 14 10:24:35 <DocScrutinizer05> not sure about that though
Jul 14 10:25:23 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway it been smarter back when ("AI") than alexa is today X-P
Jul 14 10:26:11 <DocScrutinizer05> and YOU control the AI
Jul 14 10:26:18 <DocScrutinizer05> completely
Jul 14 10:26:31 <Wizzup> yeah, I just have no use for it
Jul 14 10:26:38 <DocScrutinizer05> unlike friggin alexa and friends
Jul 14 10:26:52 <Wizzup> what I mostly just need is an easy way to record some thoughts or ideas I have (audio rec), and then be able to sort them in a simple manner
Jul 14 10:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> well, making calls while driving scooter was a start for example
Jul 14 10:27:11 <ceene> grepping voice and real life conversations :)
Jul 14 10:29:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I think saera and mappero/whatever should get beaten into shape to be on par with damn android google "Drive"
Jul 14 10:29:46 <DocScrutinizer05> say destination, get voice directions
Jul 14 10:30:16 <DocScrutinizer05> say contact names to make a call
Jul 14 10:30:21 <Wizzup> I don't think that's easy
Jul 14 10:30:42 <DocScrutinizer05> #1 for sure not, except for a few well known destinations
Jul 14 10:31:19 <DocScrutinizer05> you (err pocketsphinx) wouldn't know how to spell the street names correctly
Jul 14 10:34:58 <Wizzup> do you know a current drive app helper that works?
Jul 14 10:35:11 <Wizzup> I haven't really found any that can actually calculate routes, and def. not with up to dat emaps
Jul 14 10:35:16 <Wizzup> I mostly just rely on gps
Jul 14 10:35:21 <Wizzup> either with maep or cloudgps
Jul 14 10:35:34 <Wizzup> [one of them always crashes when searching for placs]
Jul 14 10:35:36 <Wizzup> places
Jul 14 10:41:31 <mike727> modRama is still actively being developed. No offline routing yet.
Jul 14 10:42:05 <mike727> *modRana
Jul 14 10:44:14 <Wizzup> ah that seems pretty active yeah
Jul 14 10:47:00 <mike727> The menus a bit confusing to me, too many options.
Jul 14 10:47:22 <mike727> *are
Jul 14 10:53:04 <mike727> Any N9 folk here? : Zerorize flash failed (due to downgrade). Phone refuses to attempt flash (basic & Zerorize). The flasher does Identify the phone (bootloader good?). Should I reboot or Cold flash?
Jul 14 10:53:18 <KotCzarny> nope. they are on #harmattan
Jul 14 10:54:23 <mike727> yep, sorry. Seems like only tumble weeds there.
Jul 14 10:54:43 <KotCzarny> figures. ;)
Jul 14 10:54:49 <KotCzarny> maemo ftw!
Jul 14 10:56:42 <mike727> If I get it working, will give it to my little sister, when see says all the other kids at school have phones. It's nice in white.
Jul 14 10:58:34 <KotCzarny> kids shouldnt have phones till 12-14yo
Jul 14 10:58:47 <KotCzarny> it breakes their social skills learning
Jul 14 10:59:04 <KotCzarny> which is sad and changes the future world to the worse one
Jul 14 11:00:48 <mike727> certainly. Got my first phone at 20, 2 years ago. Did feel a bit left out during high school.
Jul 14 11:01:36 <mike727> It's crazy seeing school kids who have evidently beat there parents into buying them the latest iphone
Jul 14 11:02:35 <Sicelo009N> DocScrutinizer05: re-saera - no. although i did read the specs and it seems awesome
Jul 14 11:03:35 <mike727> One parent I talked to who has kids ~10yrs old, said she has too, becase all the other parents buy it for their kids.
Jul 14 11:06:31 <Sicelo009N> mike727: for me Ovi Maps works awesome
Jul 14 11:08:34 <mike727> offline routing ?  Awhile back, it didn't want to follow my location.
Jul 14 11:10:15 <mike727> Sicelo009N: original stock?
Jul 14 11:12:22 <Sicelo009N> yes
Jul 14 11:13:41 <Sicelo009N> only think stock can't do is offline search. offline routing works ootb. then of course, main other problem is updated map tiles
Jul 14 11:14:44 <Sicelo009N> *thing
Jul 14 11:16:21 <mike727> offline routing is made to work by 'out of the box' ?  Meaning CSSU ?
Jul 14 11:17:39 <Sicelo009N> even in non-ccsu :)
Jul 14 11:18:17 <Sicelo009N> just you don't easily notice due to ovi maps requesting connection as sson as it launches
Jul 14 11:19:00 <mike727> is there a difference between 'stock' & 'ootb'  ?
Jul 14 11:19:33 <Sicelo009N> no
Jul 14 11:20:38 <Sicelo009N> sorry for confusing .. in simpler terms - the Ovi Maps already on your N900 is able to do offline routing. you don't need to do anything special to achieve that
Jul 14 11:21:38 <mike727> thanks will have to give it a go. :)
Jul 14 11:23:14 <Sicelo009N> problem will be the outdated maps if your area changes fast. where i am - they are still at leat 95% correct
Jul 14 11:25:58 <mike727> For map updates did you need to change a setting, something like: supl.nokia.com  ?
Jul 14 11:28:31 <Sicelo009N> that is not realted to any maps application. that's system-wide gps setting used for all location-aware applications. supl.nokia.com will only work if you have the latest certificate-related packages (see a-gps thread on tmo)
Jul 14 11:30:47 <mike727> Likely why I've had problems ?  Thank you. I guess when I last looked at it, I was too lazy to try and understand it's importance.
Jul 14 11:33:24 <Wizzup> Sicelo009N: ovi maps for me is mostly heavily outdated maps
Jul 14 11:33:27 <Wizzup> do they get updated still?
Jul 14 11:33:30 <Wizzup> or do your roads just not change :) 
Jul 14 11:34:22 <Sicelo009N> yes not much changes here :p
Jul 14 11:42:12 <Sicelo009N> re - mappero ... interesting that mike727 has roughly ame problem with menu/ui. i've also found it a difficult application to use. of course, i do appreciate the effort!
Jul 14 11:42:26 <Sicelo009N> s/mappero/modrana/
Jul 14 11:42:26 <infobot> Sicelo009N meant: re - modrana ... interesting that mike727 has roughly ame problem with menu/ui. i've also found it a difficult application to use. of course, i do appreciate the effort!
Jul 14 11:44:34 <mike727> Yes, its great work. It looks like they have got offline routing working as well https://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide
Jul 14 11:53:26 <jpb22> Hi all, trying to get in touch with maemo.org admin, but contact@maemo.org bounces... does anyone have a contact point? Thanks
Jul 14 12:00:36 <merlin1991> jpb22: this is a good contact point
Jul 14 12:01:02 <merlin1991> what kind of admin are you searching, forums, mail, website, repository?
Jul 14 12:02:22 <jpb22> merlin1991: website, technically speaking. My forum account was deleted some time ago, but the profile remains and I have no access to modify or remove it.
Jul 14 12:02:40 <jpb22> I would paste the url but since everything here is publicly logged, it would be somewhat self defeating
Jul 14 12:03:09 <merlin1991> ah so garage then
Jul 14 12:03:12 <merlin1991> I can do that
Jul 14 12:03:12 <jpb22> (since I am looking to remove it due to privacy concerns)
Jul 14 12:03:40 <merlin1991> pm me the old nick
Jul 14 12:03:53 <jpb22> awesome, sure thanks
Jul 14 12:51:31 <Sicelo009N> oh nice ... can get iphbd to operate in debug mode
Jul 14 18:46:43 <freemangordon> Sicelo009N: well, you can even compile it with debug symbols :)
Jul 14 18:47:20 <freemangordon> https://github.com/community-ssu/iphbd
Jul 14 19:01:59 <Sicelo009N> :-)
Jul 14 19:04:36 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: re kernel servie livetime: ever checked centos?
Jul 14 19:05:39 <DocScrutinizer05> seems LTS support for 2.6.32(?) kernel until 2020 at least
Jul 14 19:08:58 <freemangordon> could be, but that doesn;t help us much for maemo
Jul 14 19:09:18 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, the patches should apply cleanly, no?
Jul 14 19:09:54 <freemangordon> I guess there is a difference between 2.6.28 and 2.6.32
Jul 14 19:10:03 <DocScrutinizer05> there for sure is
Jul 14 19:10:09 <freemangordon> but sure, usually they can be backported
Jul 14 19:10:22 <DocScrutinizer05> but way less than between 2.6.28 and 4.x.x
Jul 14 19:19:09 <DocScrutinizer05> kernel LOC 10,118,757(2.6.28)->12,532,667(2.6.32)
Jul 14 19:19:24 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't say how much changed, of course
Jul 14 19:20:03 <KotCzarny> what about .28->.29 ?
Jul 14 19:22:42 <enyc> does it make sense to backport patches...
Jul 14 19:22:55 <enyc> rather, forward-port  maemo patches//drivers to 2.6.32 instead?
Jul 14 19:23:49 <KotCzarny> sure, as long you dont hit roadblocks in blobs
Jul 14 19:24:16 <enyc> not forgetting any security-fixes that came along in kernel 2.6.28 -> 2.6.32 diff itself anyway... let alone 'since then'
Jul 14 19:26:03 <enyc> also, i wonder if stretch//ascii libc6 etc is 'compatible' with 2.6.32 -- my experience is jessie can work on 2.6.32 though differences in xorg/video/udev sorts of things can be a problem depending on config/usage
Jul 14 19:26:54 <enyc> KotCzarny: has anybody made a diff of 2.6.28 'stock' and 2.6.28 'maemo/power' kernel anyway??
Jul 14 19:28:02 <KotCzarny> you can do it yourself, maemo's kernel source is available
Jul 14 19:28:25 <enyc> KotCzarny: righ,t where?  but in any case i was wondering how much this had been ''investigated'' already you see
Jul 14 19:28:43 <enyc> I don't have an online arm box i can rebuild tese things from hrrm
Jul 14 19:29:07 <enyc> though, is that kernel normally compiled on intel using the maemo dev enviroment DocScrutinizer05 pointed out ???
Jul 14 19:29:13 <enyc> with arm crosscompilation
Jul 14 19:29:19 <KotCzarny> yes.
Jul 14 19:33:47 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.linuxfoundation.org/search/Annual%20Linux%20Development%20Report
Jul 14 19:34:58 <DocScrutinizer05> To download the full report, please visit The Linux Foundation’s Publication’s website at: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/linux-foundation/who-writes-linux-2015
Jul 14 19:41:50 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/14/plasma-desktopzz8317.png
Jul 14 19:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~die
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Jul 14 19:54:15 <enyc> KotCzarny: can't see the amemo source / building instructions on the wiki....
Jul 14 19:54:26 <enyc> KotCzarny: and i'd rather have talked with Pali or so first if they are still contactable!
Jul 14 19:54:38 <KotCzarny> do you know the basics of debian packaging/building ?
Jul 14 19:54:38 <enyc> KotCzarny: or whoever it is whose already familiar with patching the power kernel so far
Jul 14 19:55:19 <enyc> KotCzarny: I think so, but I may not be best choice as to person to spend lots of time on it
Jul 14 19:55:21 <DocScrutinizer05> keeping kernel and core system of *maemo* in a working status is one thing. Porting packahes to maemo though is another one, until recently you could basically just re-compile any debian package for maemo and fine (leave aside needed adaptions for hildon). Since systemd this doesn't apply anymore to an increasing number of packages. That's where devuan comes in, as the distro that continues to be what debian was
Jul 14 19:57:39 <DocScrutinizer05> of course you also can port old maemo packages to modern devuan, but the result isn't a devuan system but a debian/devuan system with maemo 'apps'
Jul 14 19:58:08 <DocScrutinizer05> S/isn't a devuan/isn't a *maemo*/
Jul 14 19:59:06 <DocScrutinizer05> of course you also can port old maemo packages to modern devuan, but the result isn't a *MAEMO* system (incl all the core system twekas to make it perform excellent in a phone environment) but a debian/devuan system with maemo 'apps'
Jul 14 20:02:17 <enyc> DocScrutinizer05: if core or maemo patched including kernel bumped to 2.6.32 LTS (worth trying if not too hard imho), will devuan stretch armhf chroot work on that kernel ?  especially is libc6 backwards-compatible-enough ?
Jul 14 20:03:54 <DocScrutinizer05> that's a too complex question for me to answer. sorry
Jul 14 20:04:20 <enyc> debian/devuan jessie, so far as I can tell, works with minimum 2.6.32 kernel
Jul 14 20:07:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm pretty sure any devuan stuff can run in a carefully crafted chroot or other container or virtulization under maemo
Jul 14 20:08:24 <enyc> for jessie, libc6 has to be 'patched' (minimally) to 'allow' 2.6.28 (simple comparison check)
Jul 14 20:08:56 <DocScrutinizer05> libc6 in container just needs to play nice with the old kernel we have. You can ensure this since we have source of both the kernel and the libc6
Jul 14 20:09:25 <enyc> since this is simply changing '32' to '28' in a version-check, i wonder if the devuan libc6 maintainer would be happy to carry that patch in devuan, as its' harmless to everobyd else running newer kernels anyway, in my view.
Jul 14 20:09:35 <DocScrutinizer05> this is really sytsem development 101
Jul 14 20:09:46 <enyc> i.e. not need custom build / rebuild on every security update, etc etc
Jul 14 20:39:45 <enyc> oh, devuan doesn't override glibc package anyawy, hrrm
Jul 14 21:47:21 <Maxdamantus> 07:19:09 < DocScrutinizer05> kernel LOC 10,118,757(2.6.28)->12,532,667(2.6.32)
Jul 14 21:47:27 <Maxdamantus>  21926 files changed, 3675432 insertions(+), 1262044 deletions(-)
Jul 14 21:47:44 <Maxdamantus> (git diff --stat v2.6.28 v2.6.32)
Jul 14 21:49:08 <enyc> Maxdamantus: what about 2.6.28 'stock' to maemo-power 2.6.28 ?
Jul 14 21:49:50 <Maxdamantus> 1321 files changed, 339414 insertions(+), 10614 deletions(-)
Jul 14 21:50:00 <Maxdamantus> oh wait, that's not -power
Jul 14 21:50:20 <Maxdamantus> That's difference between mainline 2.6.28 and stock maemo 2.6.28
Jul 14 21:50:24 <enyc> Maxdamantus: more to the point, WHICH 2.6.28 version EXACTLY was maemo's kernel based on
Jul 14 21:50:36 <enyc> Maxdamantus: is there 2.6.28.1 2.6.28.2 sort of thing, or does it not work like that ??
Jul 14 21:50:57 <Maxdamantus> mainline 2.6.28 to -power53 is: 2010 files changed, 374761 insertions(+), 15117 deletions(-)
Jul 14 21:51:45 <Maxdamantus> I guess I can keep comparing the patch releases to find which one is most similar.
Jul 14 21:51:59 <enyc> Maxdamantus: yes please =) kernel.org has 2.6.28 upto 2.6.28.10
Jul 14 21:52:21 <enyc> Maxdamantus: though does the maemo source just have a release/makefile with the extraversion in it
Jul 14 21:54:38 <Maxdamantus> The initial v2.6.28 release seems to be closest.
Jul 14 21:54:59 <Maxdamantus> https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/f2deb46fd06a4b819c292e901c66546c
Jul 14 21:55:27 <Maxdamantus> (the diff is from mainline to maemo 2.6.28
Jul 14 21:55:42 <Maxdamantus> enyc: no. It has other changes too.
Jul 14 21:56:43 <Maxdamantus> Hm, there's a debian/changelog in my maemo tree with 14k lines in it though.
Jul 14 21:57:03 <Maxdamantus> So just subtract around 15k from all of those "insertions" counts.
Jul 14 21:58:03 <Maxdamantus> Hm. There are also additions under Documentation/arm/OMAP/, so maybe it's actually a fork of some omap branch somewhere.
Jul 14 21:58:15 <enyc> Maxdamantus: post patch/list ??
Jul 14 21:58:45 <enyc> Maxdamantus: i wonder how much is actually very much patches, and how much is just inserting huge piles of new drivers etc etc...
Jul 14 21:58:54 <Maxdamantus> https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/43ab8cefdb22179ff4d36e640cfb96ff
Jul 14 21:59:44 <Maxdamantus> Random modifications to a bunch of the fs drivers further suggests it's not a direct fork from mainline 2.6.28
Jul 14 22:01:21 <enyc> Maxdamantus: hrrm yes looking myself toooo puzzling
Jul 14 22:01:31 <enyc> Maxdamantus: i wonder whats going on
Jul 14 22:02:37 <enyc> Maxdamantus: that said, key is just to pickout whats' needed atop 2.6.32-latest 'stock'  and see if that patches relatively cleanly.....
Jul 14 22:09:37 <enyc> that said, looks like kernel changes to 2.6. 29 30 31 32   added lots of OMAP support/changes anyway ....... good thing or bad thing
Jul 14 22:12:11 <Maxdamantus> I can't find references to various blobs for the `fs` changes in any commits in my repository other than ones relating to N900.
Jul 14 22:12:36 <enyc> humm err arr err
Jul 14 22:12:36 <Maxdamantus> Wonder if kernel.org has a way to search for blobs in .. all repositories .. probably not.
Jul 14 22:12:44 <enyc> dont quit e understand implication
Jul 14 22:13:16 <Maxdamantus> Well, eg: `git rev-parse n900-2.6.28:fs/ext3/super.c` gives back "f4be66e3d62133a36f5b81714aa5f2b16f26e75b"
Jul 14 22:13:32 <enyc> i'm not familaiar wit that rev-parse
Jul 14 22:13:38 <enyc> what is this telling us?
Jul 14 22:14:01 <enyc> that the 2.6.28 changes can't really be found anywhere?
Jul 14 22:14:20 <Maxdamantus> so the 2.6.28 stock maemo kernel has an fs/ext3/super.c file with that checksum (basically; prepend "blob 84547\0" to teh beginning of the file)
Jul 14 22:14:53 <enyc> so whats the significance of those weird blobs on the beginning?
Jul 14 22:15:09 <Maxdamantus> and I can't see that exact file in any reachable commit in my repository other than the ones I've made from those maemo sources and the branches I've fetched from Pali here.
Jul 14 22:15:53 <Maxdamantus> The significance is that I think it indicates that nokia's changes aren't a direct branch from mainline 2.6.28
Jul 14 22:16:12 <Maxdamantus> and that there's probably another development branch somewhere that they used.
Jul 14 22:16:35 <Maxdamantus> unless they themselves actually did those modifications to `fs` .. I guess that could be plausible, depending on what the changes aro.
Jul 14 22:18:37 <enyc> yes, dothey look significant?
Jul 14 22:19:07 <enyc> i'm thinking .... git // work-in-progress befre 2.6.28 itself released ?
Jul 14 22:20:01 <Maxdamantus> Hm. Some of the changes seem to be from after 2.6.30.
Jul 14 22:22:53 <Maxdamantus> eg, the changes include those from commit 85c7859190c4197a7c34066db14c25903c401187, which is in the mainline master branch, based on v2.6.30-rc8
Jul 14 22:23:09 <enyc> http://elinux.org/N900#Kernel_git_repository_for_N900
Jul 14 22:23:49 <enyc> seems to suggest couldn't JUST use a latest 4.12 kernel compile right with old maemo because dsp//powervr drivers
Jul 14 22:24:31 <Maxdamantus> Right, but I think you can use that 4.xx branch to run Maemo.
Jul 14 22:24:37 <Maxdamantus> It's just not compatible with mainline.
Jul 14 22:24:48 <enyc> what you mean?
Jul 14 22:24:53 <enyc> to run stock maemo ??
Jul 14 22:25:00 <enyc> or slow because driver missing?
Jul 14 22:25:05 <enyc> *confused*
Jul 14 22:25:28 <Maxdamantus> I think you're meant to be able to use https://github.com/pali/linux-n900 to run stock Maemo. I might be mistaken.
Jul 14 22:26:05 * Maxdamantus has only tried a 3.18 or something kernel from there a year or two ago, and didn't try running stock Maemo.
Jul 14 22:26:13 <Maxdamantus> actually, 3.14
Jul 14 22:26:27 <enyc> will pali just tell us what the expected state is?!?!?
Jul 14 22:27:03 <enyc> fwiw,  http://people.canonical.com/~mpoirier/n900/2.6.35.10/patches/  <- interesting 
Jul 14 22:28:27 <Pali> what is the problem?
Jul 14 22:30:53 <enyc> Pali: we'd like to know (a) what the limitainso of stock-maemo with a 4.12 etc n900 kernel latest are
Jul 14 22:31:40 <Pali> HW support/kernel drivers is in table on http://elinux.org/N900
Jul 14 22:31:51 <Pali> you can find in which version was what introduced in mainline kernel
Jul 14 22:31:58 <enyc> Pali: yes, i see 2 red blobs, what practiceal problems that causes?
Jul 14 22:32:09 <enyc> Pali: tidspbridge and PowerVR  won't be workable ?
Jul 14 22:32:32 <enyc> Pali: is that it? does that make stock maemo fail because driver unavailable?
Jul 14 22:32:45 <Pali> if you want to run Maemo, look at steps: http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Kernel
Jul 14 22:33:02 <Pali> -n900 branches in my git tree contains some patches
Jul 14 22:33:05 <enyc> oooooooooooooh
Jul 14 22:33:26 <Pali> there is ported PowerVR driver
Jul 14 22:33:43 <Pali> fixes for wifi
Jul 14 22:33:54 <Pali> maemo compatibility layer (where still needed)
Jul 14 22:34:38 <Pali> no idea if bluetooth is working...
Jul 14 22:35:05 <Pali> patches for camera are not (finished) in my git repo
Jul 14 22:35:17 <Pali> and tidspbride does not work at all
Jul 14 22:35:39 <enyc> i see didn't know all this
Jul 14 22:36:22 <enyc> whats' the tidspbridge used for?
Jul 14 22:36:49 <Pali> pavelm now playing with camera, so we can expect working camera in new+1 or +2 mainline kernel version
Jul 14 22:37:10 <enyc> i see i see
Jul 14 22:37:17 <enyc> so a workable kernel is well on way...?
Jul 14 22:37:48 <Pali> tidspbridge is bridge driver for TI DSP processor
Jul 14 22:37:57 <enyc> yes, but whats that used for?
Jul 14 22:38:47 <Pali> DSP processor used e.g. for video encoding/decoding
Jul 14 22:39:08 <Pali> maybe there are also applications which uses it for audio
Jul 14 22:39:15 <Pali> or other multimedia processing
Jul 14 22:39:44 <Pali> do not know who else uses DSP in Maemo... if there are more applications in Maemo-Extras
Jul 14 22:42:04 <enyc> right
Jul 14 22:43:20 <enyc> talking of wifi, is WPA host / 'hostapd' ever a possibility with that adapter?
Jul 14 22:45:02 <Pali> theoretically with software implementation
Jul 14 22:45:38 <sunshavi> pali: Sebastian Reichel was working on bluetooth. But probably You know that. btw camera is very slow on n900, perhaps pavel version is quicker
Jul 14 22:45:54 <Pali> wifi firmware supports packet injection and monitor mode which should be enough for implementing AP mode
Jul 14 22:46:03 <Pali> wl1251 driver has both support
Jul 14 22:46:22 <Pali> but I do not know any software-based wifi AP implementation
Jul 14 22:47:04 <Pali> IIRC there are some problems with bluetooth on n900, do not know if those problems were fixed or not
Jul 14 22:47:56 <Pali> last time I talked with pavel, he told me that camera for him is working... and I see patches periodically on mailing list
Jul 14 22:48:08 <Pali> so we can expect full-working camera also in mainline
Jul 14 22:50:10 <sunshavi> pali: nice to know
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