**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 19 03:00:03 2017 Jul 19 03:05:29 so Jul 19 03:05:46 maemo is similarly to chrome os Jul 19 04:47:04 it's your conclusion, or a question? never having used chromeos, i doubt that maemo is remotely similar Jul 19 04:48:01 experience-wise sort of Jul 19 04:49:02 meh Jul 19 04:52:24 anyway Jul 19 05:51:10 so what's happening with that motherboard for the n900 Jul 19 05:51:22 it started like 5 years ago or something Jul 19 05:54:43 neo900, it's looking extremely familiar Jul 19 05:56:49 what's the hardware version of "vapourware" Jul 19 06:57:34 hmm? Jul 19 07:32:55 see freenode #neo900 and neo900.org. Jul 19 07:39:40 bencoh: ordered a droid4 as well for porting fun later Jul 19 07:59:02 Wizzup: huhu :) Jul 19 07:59:15 tempting me ... so mean! :) Jul 19 07:59:19 :p Jul 19 07:59:32 they're like 40 bucks on ebay, for refurbished and unlocked ones Jul 19 07:59:57 (I have a friend at work that has been asking me about it as well for quite some time ... he stopped only recently) Jul 19 08:01:53 wouldn't any android phone be enough Wizzup ? Jul 19 08:02:12 i mean why droid 4 Jul 19 08:03:09 (1) mainline kernel (2) most of the driver works seems to be doen or under active dev (3) keyboard (4) hdmi out Jul 19 08:06:12 i bet it's mostly the hardware keyboard more than anything else Jul 19 08:06:54 (5) usb modem Jul 19 08:07:06 what good is a phone with no driver support and no mainline kernel Jul 19 08:07:09 bencoh: ah yeah Jul 19 08:07:43 Uh Jul 19 08:07:53 i have a nexus 5x Jul 19 08:08:02 super newer Jul 19 08:08:37 but i guess Google devices have no hardware keyboard nor modem Jul 19 08:09:08 bencoh: otg is more than enough to use an Ethernet accessory Jul 19 08:09:20 but nothing like a modem afaik Jul 19 08:09:35 how do you configure it Jul 19 08:19:51 jskarvad: you're glancing over all the real issues Jul 19 08:19:53 er Jul 19 08:19:54 whoops Jul 19 08:19:58 I meant Juesto Jul 19 08:20:15 Juesto: you can't just take an android kernel and call it a day Jul 19 08:20:33 you want maintainable solutions that are present in the normal linux kernel Jul 19 08:20:45 most android phones are not supposed at all, or only one some old kernel branch Jul 19 08:20:52 s/supposed/supported/ Jul 19 08:21:04 hmm Jul 19 08:21:06 it's not about 'being new' or 'specs' Jul 19 08:21:15 it's about being able to use the bloody device Jul 19 08:21:35 comparison: what good is a wifi 2.4 and 5ghz dongle if I can only use their driver on a linux kernel older than 3.18 Jul 19 08:21:54 Depends, usually being new means good support. :/ Jul 19 08:22:00 you serious? Jul 19 08:22:13 The opposite is true with Linux Jul 19 08:22:25 right Jul 19 08:23:04 and that's why linux is still on the long way of yet-to-beat Windows Jul 19 10:05:40 wut? Jul 19 12:39:41 good he's gone Jul 19 12:40:41 she? Jul 19 12:41:41 *shrug* it would be nice to have additional people help packaging Jul 19 13:03:04 sure Jul 19 13:03:24 was just wondering how much trolling the last post been Jul 19 13:03:41 I think you're mistaking ignorance for trolling Jul 19 13:14:33 possible Jul 19 13:16:15 the droid 4 has a USB modem? Jul 19 13:16:48 that would be pretty strange since you don't do that if you got _any_ chance to go for HSI or similar Jul 19 13:18:43 ok, HSI in OMAP4 is terribly SiErr infested, so that would possible be a valid reason too for USB Jul 19 13:24:12 It has two usb modems Jul 19 13:24:20 the 2g/3g one and the 4g one Jul 19 13:24:23 s/4glte/ Jul 19 13:24:25 er Jul 19 13:24:27 s/4g/lte/ Jul 19 13:27:41 o.O Jul 19 13:28:18 http://elektranox.org/2017/02/0013-droid-4-modem/ Jul 19 13:30:13 ta! didn't even know there were LTE-only modems Jul 19 13:30:51 the 4g modem is useless in europe though Jul 19 13:30:55 s/4g/lte/ gdi Jul 19 13:32:55 yeah. 700MHz only, eh? Jul 19 13:35:24 well, prolly they use chip2chip USB (without PHY), that would be a reasonable alternative to HSI even when you got zhe choice. Particularly when you avoid ENUM. On a software level they would not be distinguishable (except maybe from not showing ENUM activity in syslog) Jul 19 13:49:49 WAAH! >>This directory contains a driver for the Qualcomm Gobi 2000 CDMA/GSM modem. The device speaks a protocol called QMI with its host; this driver's responsibility is to multiplex transactions over QMI connections. Note that the relatively simple encoding defined in qmi.h and qmi.c is only the encapsulating protocol; the device speaks a more complex set of protocols embodied in the closed-source Gobi SDK which are necessary to use Jul 19 13:49:51 advanced features of the device.<< Jul 19 13:50:27 this sounds terribly like ISI without the public docs Jul 19 13:51:53 aaah >>The mainline kernel also has a driver for QMI, which is located in drivers/net/usb/qmi_wwan.c and supported by ofono!<< well I wonder how those guys managed to get support from all the manufacturers. I have weird nasty phantasies what they did to get that Jul 19 18:49:40 ~flasher Jul 19 19:09:42 ~ping Jul 19 19:10:43 rip bot Jul 20 02:14:13 DocScrutinizer05 : Lol, testing IceChat's "Set Away" functionality. With Svetlana's encouragement, enabled "away/return messages", which caused the great flood. Also, found a crash-bug in IceChat ;-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 20 03:00:01 2017