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Jul 28 05:08:43 <freemangordon> parazyd: Wizzup: there is a VM on maemo infra ready for amprolla
Jul 28 05:49:56 <xes> 'morning ..once a month, full night spent in a bed :)  DocScrutinizer05: I need some coffe before look into backlog
Jul 28 05:50:25 <DocScrutinizer05> np :-)
Jul 28 05:51:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I can sum up stuff for you: cert expires in 5 days. And on www.maemo.org the pjoto links to something with a self signed cert, maybe the whole website needs rollback eventually, I think it's been up long enough?
Jul 28 05:53:14 <DocScrutinizer05> via https I get redirected from www.maemo.org to login...   And from login I get redirected to http
Jul 28 05:54:19 <DocScrutinizer05> s/website/frontpage/
Jul 28 05:56:19 <DocScrutinizer05> we should get a 2y wildcard cert
Jul 28 05:57:21 <freemangordon> xes: 'morning and thanks for the VM :)
Jul 28 05:58:42 <freemangordon> xes: I'll be MIA for a week starting tomorrow, please help parazyd and/or Wizzup with giving them (or one of them) access
Jul 28 07:59:38 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: i think next week warfare will renew the certificates. The remaining sistuation seems ok with usual (even if weird) redirects 
Jul 28 08:02:50 <DocScrutinizer05> it doesn't seem right that a user that's not logged in gets redirected from https://maemo.org to login page
Jul 28 08:03:51 <DocScrutinizer05> and https://maemo.org is quite a bit obsolete after 7 months, no? Also has http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/28/plasma-desktopsR8317.png
Jul 28 08:05:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm sorry I can't reproduce it now since there's no way to log out on maemo.org
Jul 28 08:06:26 <KotCzarny> clear cookies or create new firefox profile
Jul 28 08:08:47 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Jul 28 09:24:16 <sicelo> what's that simple pastebin? KotCzarny 
Jul 28 09:24:34 <KotCzarny> depends, most of them have raw link option
Jul 28 09:24:37 <KotCzarny> but not all
Jul 28 09:24:47 <KotCzarny> pastebin.com has, but by default it's js infested
Jul 28 09:25:19 <KotCzarny> and ubuntu or debian pastebin is atrocious because it requires you to login for raw link
Jul 28 09:30:30 <sicelo> never logged into debian pastebin .. are you sure? i don't even see a login link
Jul 28 09:30:42 <KotCzarny> then it might be ubuntu's one
Jul 28 09:30:55 <sicelo> anyway, there's one that i seem to remember you used to post a lot :-)
Jul 28 09:31:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 28 09:31:25 <KotCzarny> in general as long you can paste raw link it's good
Jul 28 09:31:42 <sicelo> can pastebin to it directly from comdline .. forgot it now
Jul 28 09:31:52 <KotCzarny> ahm, you mean transfer.sh ?
Jul 28 09:34:16 <sicelo> yes. thanks. that one!
Jul 28 09:34:31 <KotCzarny> it's more for files than pastes
Jul 28 09:34:53 <KotCzarny> if you want to paste text from cmdline you can use something like that: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/dpjy6/sprunge_a_commandline_pastebin/
Jul 28 09:41:47 <sicelo> thanks KotCzarny 
Jul 28 11:27:04 <ceene> well guys
Jul 28 11:27:14 <ceene> today is friday!
Jul 28 11:27:15 <ceene> :P
Jul 28 11:27:24 <ceene> and we're going on vacation for the whole month
Jul 28 11:27:27 <ceene> so i'll be totally offline
Jul 28 11:27:48 <ceene> i'll some irssi here just so you don't miss me :D
Jul 28 11:33:32 * sslayer is ceene's shadow
Jul 28 11:47:49 <jonwil> hi
Jul 28 11:56:01 <sicelo> hi jonwil ,  sslayer 
Jul 28 14:31:52 <saltywavelowlife> Hi, my n9 was stuck in a bootloop (rebooting after nokia logo) then i did a comprehensive flash, now it simply powers off after the logo, sometimes making it as far as the initial config screen
Jul 28 14:32:41 <saltywavelowlife> tried a 'zeroize' flash as well with the same result, flasher reports >80% battery, any ideas?
Jul 28 14:33:00 <KotCzarny> you will see more n9 owners on #harmattan
Jul 28 14:40:34 <saltywavelowlife> sure, looked a little quiet (more than #maemo at least :) though so thought i'd try my luck here
Jul 28 14:45:48 <bencoh> I'd look on TMO for similar reports
Jul 28 15:01:38 <sicelo> Thinkpad T430 .. worth buying, or 3rd gen Intel Core not worth it?
Jul 28 15:53:29 <sicelo> 
Jul 28 17:17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: cat foo | nc termbin.com 9999
Jul 28 17:45:15 <sicelo> thanks DocScrutinizer05 :-)
Jul 28 17:51:54 <DocScrutinizer05> caveat: I have NO idea who's rinning this and what's the policy with the stuff you upload
Jul 28 17:52:04 <DocScrutinizer05> running*
Jul 28 17:53:22 <DocScrutinizer05> http://termbin.com/
Jul 28 17:56:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you might feed skynet's AI lessons ;-) Or have an occasional chat with a TLA
Jul 28 17:57:28 <DocScrutinizer05> but how's that different from arbitrary activities in the internet at large?
Jul 28 17:57:52 <sicelo> i'd be using it for something that doesn't need any privacy at all :-)
Jul 28 17:58:28 <DocScrutinizer05> jr@saturn:~/Dokumente/Neo900/projbin/kicad-et-al/eeshow> as paste
Jul 28 17:58:29 <DocScrutinizer05> alias paste='nc termbin.com 9999'                                                                                                                                                             
Jul 28 17:59:55 <DocScrutinizer05> then there's also pastebinit script package but that frequently breaks and needs update
Jul 28 18:00:31 <DocScrutinizer05> jr@saturn:~/Dokumente/Neo900/projbin/kicad-et-al/eeshow> file `which pastebinit`
Jul 28 18:00:32 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/bin/pastebinit: Python script, ASCII text executable
Jul 28 18:09:43 <DocScrutinizer05> at least pythin, so simply wget a working version right into your $PATH (then CHECK it for rogue stuff before using it!)
Jul 28 18:21:46 <joga> oh neat... never heard of this one before but some qwerty smartphone in japan that runs win7 :) https://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/binary/pdf/support/trouble/manual/download/F-07C_E_All.pdf
Jul 28 18:21:53 <joga> old too, heh
Jul 28 18:24:04 * DocScrutinizer05 reads NTT-Docomo and shudders
Jul 28 18:25:52 <DocScrutinizer05> notorious for NIH and their completely proprietary 'solutions'
Jul 28 18:36:05 <DocScrutinizer05> not like US carriers would be any better. Particularly recently
Jul 28 18:37:22 <DocScrutinizer05> most of them don't invent own modulation mode like NTT does, but they nevertheless 'invent' new band*modulation/RAT combinations that no generic phone supports
Jul 28 18:39:07 <DocScrutinizer05> as a result some modern modem chipsets are 20 or even 30 Band, with more than 50% of those needed for US carriers only
Jul 28 18:40:38 <DocScrutinizer05> a 15 years ago, quad band guaranteed worldwide compatibility
Jul 28 19:08:10 <DocScrutinizer05> not only a technical nightmare regarding filters for each band etc - also each single band needs its own set of tests in lab *and* field for approval, which multiplies the approval cost significantly
Jul 28 19:10:56 <DocScrutinizer05> approval cost for an average LTE modem like e.g. ST-E thorium are already in the hundreds of man years
Jul 28 19:12:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and this, combined with the requirement that the aproved modem hw + radiostack-firmware conbo must not change after aproval are the reasons why there *never* will be a (legal to use) FOSS radio stack for any modem chipset
Jul 28 19:16:32 <DocScrutinizer05> paradox situation: approval for a non-standard band by the carrier who operates that non-standard band is significantly cheaper since it's up to the carrier to define the approval requirements and finally grant approval
Jul 28 19:18:33 <DocScrutinizer05> so in markets like USA where carriers are not bound by authorities regarding what they do in the band they own, there's no economic incentive for the carrier to adhere to standards and offer interoperability for their customers' phones
Jul 29 00:37:42 <hurrian> oh man I used to have a F-07C
Jul 29 00:38:15 <hurrian> let's just say using it was _not_ pleasant. CPU was always a hair under thermal throttling under Win7
Jul 29 00:38:49 <hurrian> And the Symbian OS on it was a badly implemented keitai OS
Jul 29 00:43:05 <hurrian> the Sony UMPC worked better ;) we need more slide-up screen UMPCs, the GPD Pocket was disappointing when I learned it used a clamshell screen
Jul 29 01:51:07 <DocScrutinizer05> hurrian: win7 with symbian? how that?
Jul 29 01:51:49 <hurrian> DocScrutinizer05: predictably, having Win7 run all the time in your pocket would be like having a mini-Note7 play out in your pants daily
Jul 29 01:52:03 <hurrian> also, Win7 doesn't have runtime PM worth a damn
Jul 29 01:52:29 <hurrian> so, there's a Symbian OS system on it that handles texts and phone calls, and you only boot into Win7 when you need it
Jul 29 02:03:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ohmy
Jul 29 02:04:31 <DocScrutinizer05> dualboot with symbian and win7, what else might anybody wish for? X.P
Jul 29 02:05:11 <hurrian> heh, nowadays it's an Android-Win10 dualboot on x86 tablets
Jul 29 02:06:35 <hurrian> and I upgraded to a SGS8+ lately, the always-on display clock and gently curved glass remind me a lot of the N9!
Jul 29 02:06:45 <hurrian> the more things change, the more things stay the same, huh
Jul 29 02:17:42 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Jul 29 02:18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia been groundbreaking, a shame they got eloped
Jul 29 02:26:23 <DocScrutinizer05> for SGS8 see https://blog.exodusintel.com/2017/07/26/broadpwn/
Jul 29 02:31:02 <hurrian> DocScrutinizer05: Got my patch ;) Still mysterious how device makers thought it was a great idea to NOT use IOMMU for a device on PCIe bus with full RAM and CPU onboard...
Jul 29 02:31:24 <hurrian> everybody learned that lesson for the first time with Firewire, second time with Thunderbolt
Jul 29 02:59:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
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