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Jul 30 10:01:43 <ShadowJK> Default maemo doesn't use the hardware battery fuel gauge chip really... That's why it works in stock maemo.
Jul 30 10:02:02 <bencoh> ?
Jul 30 10:02:18 <bencoh> you mean it doesn't use the capacity reported by gasgauge
Jul 30 10:02:47 <ShadowJK> AFter getting the hardware chip (bq27200) calibrated, it should provide reasonable data to other operating systems as well.. However, that it says 0 is quite peculiar, usually what happens is that you get over-estimation of capacity :)
Jul 30 10:02:52 <ShadowJK> yes I mean that
Jul 30 10:03:04 <ShadowJK> But maybe the kernel modules and such just report 0 for "unknown" 
Jul 30 16:38:22 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: fm transmitter in n900 is doing something nasty, once I start it and it transmit some periodic beep
Jul 30 16:38:37 <Pali> it can be detected only when n900 does not play any sound/music
Jul 30 16:38:46 <KotCzarny> pali: it does it until you start playing something
Jul 30 16:39:01 <KotCzarny> i guess for making detecting n900 easier
Jul 30 16:39:39 <Pali> really? I think I can detect that beep also when n900 play some music...
Jul 30 16:39:51 <KotCzarny> what about when you play silence?
Jul 30 16:39:52 <Pali> I will look into rtl-sdr dump what it is
Jul 30 16:39:54 <KotCzarny> or close to silence?
Jul 30 16:40:15 <KotCzarny> i think it stops then
Jul 30 16:48:30 <sicelo> i also thought the beeps were 'correct.' i don't recall hearing them during active transmission (and i used it today)
Jul 30 16:49:48 <sicelo> https://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-42766.html
Jul 30 16:51:16 <KotCzarny> nice, i didnt know those beeps are configurable
Jul 30 16:52:00 <Pali> looks like, yes beeps disappear when playing something
Jul 30 16:53:50 <Pali> and there is something else with transmitter, it changes frequency in time by 2.8kHz offset
Jul 30 16:54:37 <bencoh> strange
Jul 30 16:54:41 <KotCzarny> maybe that's that deviation param?
Jul 30 16:56:18 <Pali> when I set to transmit at 105.8MHz then I see it in 105,8047MHz and frequency starts changing until it is 105,8016MHz
Jul 30 16:57:16 <Pali> and after some time it changes back to 105,804... and I see in time graph that base frequency is really changing...
Jul 30 16:57:49 <KotCzarny> some spreadspectrum algo? or just bad design somewhere?
Jul 30 16:57:56 <Pali> and I'm not able to see this problem in other FM transmitters, so it is for sure problem in n900 transmitter and not in my receiver
Jul 30 16:59:43 <sixwheeledbeast^> I believe the beep is an intentional feature, after a while of beeping the fm transmitter is switched off. Like a standby mode. 
Jul 30 17:00:29 <Pali> see: https://imgur.com/a/eY5uq
Jul 30 17:01:14 <KotCzarny> it's not vertical line
Jul 30 17:01:36 <Pali> yes
Jul 30 17:02:36 <Pali> maybe n900 fm transmitter is not able to fix fm frequency??
Jul 30 17:03:04 <KotCzarny> "good enough technology [tm]" ;)
Jul 30 17:04:27 <sixwheeledbeast^> hmm, is that reproducible on multiple devices I wonder?
Jul 30 17:04:49 <sixwheeledbeast^> What time period is that over?
Jul 30 17:05:28 <Pali> that yellow dots are beeps
Jul 30 17:05:52 <Pali> in the middle should be mono part of sound
Jul 30 17:10:17 <sixwheeledbeast^> oh I see
Jul 30 17:46:28 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: why the unbearable archive instead of https://talk.maemo.org/showthread?t=42766
Jul 30 17:48:13 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: FM channels are 50kHu wide in Germany, maybe 25kHz in USA (not sure). Anyway a 2.x kHz drift is irrelevant
Jul 30 17:48:56 <DocScrutinizer05> or was it 100kHz in EU, 50kHz in USA?
Jul 30 17:49:29 <Pali> seems that gnuradio and rtl_fm do not have a problem with 2kHz drift...
Jul 30 17:49:31 <Pali> but it is normal?
Jul 30 17:50:21 <DocScrutinizer05> 1kHz drift in 100MHz is 0.01 promille, not even TCOs can do that good
Jul 30 17:50:51 <Pali> that picture of signal looks strange... it is not vertical line, nor continuous
Jul 30 17:52:24 <DocScrutinizer05> non-issue
Jul 30 17:52:48 <DocScrutinizer05> read the datasheet of FM-TX
Jul 30 17:55:34 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not sure which timebase/oscillator the chip uses, but for sure it's no specially temperature compensated oscillator, so drifts are expected
Jul 30 17:56:07 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly when your N900 warms up during usage
Jul 30 17:57:35 <Pali> ok
Jul 30 17:58:58 <Pali> anyway, it is possible to use ordinary telescopic antenna for receiving CB?
Jul 30 18:01:42 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Jul 30 18:01:51 <DocScrutinizer05> every walkietalkie does
Jul 30 18:02:53 <DocScrutinizer05> but you can't use RTL dongle plus antemma stb, it starts at 5ßMHz iirc
Jul 30 18:03:04 <DocScrutinizer05> 50MHz
Jul 30 18:03:27 <DocScrutinizer05> CB is 27MHz
Jul 30 18:04:16 <DocScrutinizer05> so you want an antenna of at least 1m length, and elctrical inductive compensation
Jul 30 18:21:46 <Pali> rtl-sdr with R820T has range 24 – 1766 MHz with experimental 500 kHz – 28.8 MHz and up to 1864 MHz
Jul 30 18:36:01 <DocScrutinizer05> wow
Jul 30 18:37:05 <DocScrutinizer05> 500k - 28.8M is mere I/Q direct sampling, the results are questionable particularly for sensitivity
Jul 30 18:37:18 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Jul 30 18:38:39 <DocScrutinizer05> but for tests you can get away with it for sure, I.E. when the distance from your TX to RTL antenna are less than 1M
Jul 30 18:38:42 <DocScrutinizer05> 1m*
Jul 30 18:40:12 <DocScrutinizer05> generally sensitivity of rtl is a problem
Jul 30 18:42:03 <DocScrutinizer05> then you also have poor mirror frequency suppression, and also problems with aliasing
Jul 30 18:42:37 <DocScrutinizer05> input signal filtering in RTL is basically non-existent
Jul 30 18:43:20 <xes> ..antenna connector, clock drift, temperature.. 
Jul 30 18:43:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, well it costs like 10 bucks, what do you expect?
Jul 30 18:45:16 <xes> in fact, noelec version fixes many of the problems
Jul 30 19:09:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, I stand corrected. http://www.rtl-sdr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/R820T_datasheet-Non_R-20111130_unlocked1.pdf says it gas input filter with image rejection of 65dBc
Jul 30 19:09:55 <DocScrutinizer05> has*
Jul 30 19:14:13 <DocScrutinizer05> so >>input signal filtering in RTL is basically non-existent<< is an incorrect statement
Jul 30 20:08:36 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL!  Opensuse bash does autocompletion from "scp x1 neo900:/ho" to "scp x1 neo900:/home/" and then on to the actually existing user homedirs - heck this does indeed use stealth remote login to destination to autocomplete
Jul 30 20:13:34 <Pali> ubuntu is doing same for a longer time
Jul 30 20:14:03 <Pali> it is great when user has configured ssh-agent in -c mode :D
Jul 30 20:14:43 <Pali> every tab autocompletion is subject to manual confirmation of usage of ssh key...
Jul 30 20:24:13 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jul 30 20:24:40 <DocScrutinizer05> may I quote you?
Jul 30 20:47:08 <DocScrutinizer05> less +'/_scp_remote_files()' /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/scp
Jul 30 20:55:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess the lines like "files=$( ssh -o 'Batchmode yes' $userhost ..." could use some watchdog to catch ssh locking up during log in
Jul 30 20:56:04 <DocScrutinizer05> seen this more than once
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