**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 04 03:00:00 2017 Sep 04 05:50:21 Well, correct, but actually I see a security update available. If I leave the trust level of the Nokia repos higher than 0, I get a *lot* of packages ignored. Sep 04 05:50:30 (Due to "wrong domain".) Sep 04 10:56:52 security update == pr1.3 -> pr.1.3.1 Sep 04 10:57:18 also comes with CSSU# Sep 04 15:36:03 Yes, ok. Sep 04 16:01:43 From yesterday's discussion, seems that the proper way to install any package on the N900 is to always use the HAM, and never go directly with apt, since the latter way would prevent HAM to perform its additional tasks, like storing info about package domains. Is this correct? Sep 04 16:04:21 I'm asking because I need to check whether my charger works or not - I'd do that by the bq27200.sh script, which however requires the i2c-tools package. Apt-cache policy finds this package, while the HAM does not. I think this is because I don't have the extras-devel repo in my catalogues. So the right way to proceed is to create a catalogue for extras-devel, and then install i2c-tools from HAM? Sep 04 16:08:40 Yes Sep 04 16:08:54 ~hamvsfam Sep 04 16:08:54 well, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 Sep 04 16:17:08 sixwheeledbeast Ok, so I'm on the right way. Now I'm looking around for the install files for extras-devel, but they don't come up at first googling. Any info? Maybe infobot knows? Sep 04 16:17:48 ~jr-tools Sep 04 16:17:49 extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 04 16:19:56 ~extras-devel Sep 04 16:19:56 i guess extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Sep 04 16:20:47 Dunno about an .install file Sep 04 16:25:51 Well, in the page about Joerg's tools, I found a link to a repositories.install file. This installs extras-testing, extras-devel and tools. I'd not go directly this way, since for now I only want extras-devel. Let me read the other wmo page. Sep 04 16:28:01 ~jrrepos Sep 04 16:28:02 it has been said that jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Sep 04 16:35:06 I will go by http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel, seems the cleanest and most essential way. I noticed however that the last code line on that page is an apt-get install. From what has been discussed, I'd say this should not be ever done. What's your opinion? Sep 04 16:35:33 One last thing: what about the signature? Is it the same as for Extras? So do I already have the right key in my system? Sep 04 16:48:38 I created the devel catalogue. HAM looked for updates. Interesting HAM log: "W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package binutils" and "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems". Is my N900 saying "kill me please!"? Sep 04 17:10:43 Well, the catalogue is ok, but i2c-tools doesn't show up. But browsing the repository I see it. ??? Sep 04 17:17:53 i2ctools is not in "user" category, so it's supposed to get installed via apt-get Sep 04 17:19:12 if bq27200.sh was a proper "user" package in maemo repo, it would oull in i2ctools as dependency Sep 04 17:21:24 generally speaking, the concept of trust level doesn't lend itself to tools repo, and packages from tools are frequently installed via apt-get Sep 04 17:22:59 as a general rule, cli command packages are usually installed via cli (apt-get) Sep 04 17:23:21 a few exceptions apply, e.g. for ssh packages Sep 04 17:26:23 Ah. Ok. Where is the package category indicated? Sep 04 17:27:57 umm, good question Sep 04 17:28:08 I never really cared Sep 04 17:28:14 so I don't know Sep 04 17:28:44 ~pkg Sep 04 17:28:45 pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ Sep 04 17:31:44 Ok, I think I got it. repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages is a text file with info about the various packages (is it correct to call that "metainfo"?). Each package has a "Section:" line. E.g., ibus has "Section: user/utilities". libimlib2 has "libs". libimlib2-dev has "libdevel". And i2c-tools has "tools". I think HAM decides if and in which category display each package based Sep 04 17:31:45 on this info. May it be? Sep 04 17:34:15 yes Sep 04 17:34:45 So in the end the extras-devel repo doesn't need to be added to the catalogues, for me to install i2c-tools. I will just go apt-get install i2c-tools. Ok? Sep 04 17:40:01 i2ctools is in extras Sep 04 17:40:08 yes, ok Sep 04 17:40:51 i2ctools is needed e.g. by BM Sep 04 17:41:53 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/i2c-tools/3.0.2-1maemo3/ Sep 04 17:49:32 Actually apt-cache policy i2c-tools says "http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages". Is the "extras" implied? Sep 04 17:51:14 no, apt-cache woefully ommits the detail info about repo Sep 04 17:52:19 I'd call that a bug, but... Sep 04 17:53:00 Also, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript says "Install i2c-tools from extras-devel". Outdated wiki page? Sep 04 17:53:09 yes Sep 04 17:53:19 powerscript??? :-o Sep 04 17:53:39 aaah Sep 04 17:55:42 Well, I won't use that script, but bq27200.sh. I was just trying to figure out where to find the i2c-tools package. Sep 04 17:57:51 Anyway, I have extras-devel catalogue disabled in HAM. This eliminates the corresponding deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list. The only deb lines I have are those pointing to the muarf mirror of the original system and apps Nokia repos, and the deb line pointing to repository.maemo.org/extras. So obviously the package has been found in extras. Sep 04 18:04:35 yes Sep 04 18:04:50 ~zzztop Sep 04 18:04:50 from memory, zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop Sep 04 18:05:58 shameless commercial ad: https://neo900.org/news/neo900-update-2017-09-03 Sep 04 18:08:46 Ok, I have the bq27200.sh working. I have checked that when connected to my pc usb port, the N900 charges the battery, drawing about 350 mA from the pc (wow!). On the other hand, when connected to wall charger, the current is only 2 mA (if the device turns off the screen - if not, the battery is even discharging). So obviously it's not charging. I'm using a charger I'm sure works (it's a Nokia one, and I use it for my Sep 04 18:08:46 other cell phone), with an adaptor to the mini USB of the N900 (provided by Nokia together with the N900). The charger provided by Nokia in the N900 box gives the same result. Sep 04 18:10:33 Now when I got this N900 I'm sure the wall charger worked. I then half-bricked the device and had to use rescueOS to charge the battery. I fear it drew too much current and broke the adaptor: in fact, I remember it started charging, but suddenly stopped to, and never charged again. Odds are that the Hildon says the device is charging... Sep 04 18:11:25 I will get a new adaptor (found one some months ago on Amazon, I think) and see if that works. Sep 04 18:56:33 Enrico_Menotti: please don't forget that bq27200 tells about BATTERY current, not USB current Sep 04 18:56:54 ~wb Sep 04 18:56:55 thx Sep 04 18:57:09 Nice bot! :) Sep 04 18:58:00 >>when connected to wall charger, the current is only 2 mA (if the device turns off the screen - if not, the battery is even discharging)<< is normal when battery is full Sep 04 18:58:35 Battery not full. Connecting to the computer, 350 mA charging current. Sep 04 18:59:16 hmm Sep 04 18:59:30 anyway http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/ for reference Sep 04 19:01:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_discharge_learn_log for a discharge Sep 04 19:03:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_microcycle_log Sep 04 23:07:19 guys, would you recommend some android irc client? Sep 04 23:41:50 I doubt there's any that's worth getting recommended Sep 04 23:42:49 the problem prolly being that they _all_ get stopped/inactive as soon as they don't have visibility and focus anymore Sep 04 23:48:06 DocScrutinizer05: not really Sep 04 23:48:20 I'm biased Sep 04 23:48:29 at least some "adirc" or whatever was it called Sep 04 23:48:41 me too, but still Sep 05 01:21:34 hmmmm, some new nifty watchdog stuff in my IRC client, to bring back infobot as soon as it vanishes Sep 05 01:21:59 let's see if it kills me or the bot first :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 05 03:00:00 2017