**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 10 03:00:00 2017 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 10 03:06:55 2017 Sep 10 05:51:03 deepy: A program written for the Java platform is not a cross-platform program, it is a single-platform program because the Java platform is its only supported platform. Sep 10 06:24:51 Yes, but Java is widely supported. Though, with Android and Symbian both supporting Java, I have to ask: can an Android app be run on a Symbian phone? Sep 10 06:25:06 nope. android doesnt support java Sep 10 06:25:19 you cant run arbitrary .jar on android Sep 10 06:25:53 basic code might work, but anything supporting graphic toolkits will fail (ie. any graphical app, ie. anything usable) Sep 10 06:35:23 Android doesn't use .jars at all Sep 10 06:35:38 it has custom Java VM implementation and bytecode format Sep 10 06:36:08 that's what i meant Sep 10 07:12:18 err wut? not only my client, even povbot has no context on that Sep 10 07:12:35 nor does Symbian support Java (j2me != java) Sep 10 07:13:57 ugh, there 2017-09-08 Fri 14:09:00] Sep 10 07:52:09 Java has multiple meanings in computing, including the Java platform and the Java programming language. Android applications are often written in the Java programming language but Android does not use the Java platform. Sep 10 11:38:43 Android will have its own API, expressed as classes/interfaces that are assumed by applications to be provided. Sep 10 11:39:14 Those would need to be implemented to run Android code. Sep 10 11:40:22 Same with J2ME .. it's some subset of Java SE (possibly all of Java SE, not sure), plus some additional classes that are assumed to exist. Sep 10 11:40:37 is there a a way to run android applications on a gnu system? Sep 10 11:40:41 like, somewhat natively Sep 10 11:40:47 I recall something showed up recently Sep 10 11:41:02 there are basically two projects Sep 10 11:41:14 one is dead, the other is ... quite difficult to build Sep 10 11:41:22 got names/links? Sep 10 11:41:42 sashlik, and ... forgot Sep 10 11:42:24 apkenv? Sep 10 11:42:38 I'm not really familiar with any of it though. Sep 10 11:42:42 apkenv is quite different Sep 10 11:42:53 I read about sashlik recently I think Sep 10 11:43:32 anbox, Android in a box? Sep 10 11:44:16 Wizzup bencoh ^^^? Sep 10 11:44:16 bencoh: so which one is the 'dead' one? Sep 10 11:44:48 could be anbox yeah Sep 10 11:44:58 and shashlik is the most recent one I suppose Sep 10 11:45:04 shashlik seems somewhat active Sep 10 11:45:12 might be fun to try on a n900 some time Sep 10 11:45:23 https://github.com/shashlik last commits over a year though Sep 10 11:45:24 err wait no, anbox is the recent one Sep 10 11:45:30 Anbox is not dead. There's a channel on irc. Sep 10 11:45:53 I'm trying on Devuan on my old laptop right now. Sep 10 11:45:54 hm, but that's an android ocntainer? Sep 10 11:46:07 Seems not exactly a container. Sep 10 11:46:11 A minute. Sep 10 11:46:17 it does use lxc Sep 10 11:46:27 so yeah, somehow Sep 10 11:46:48 anbox looks fun Sep 10 11:46:51 https://anbox.io Sep 10 11:48:07 https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/master/docs/runtime-setup.md Sep 10 11:48:36 maybe we can package that for hildon-on-devuan at some point Sep 10 11:48:52 Yes, that's an idea. Sep 10 11:48:53 :) Sep 10 12:12:48 > As Anbox is running an entire Android system, conceptually any application can run. Sep 10 12:12:56 Doesn't sound ideal for N900. Sep 10 12:13:10 though haven't looked at anything but that website, so might be wrong. Sep 10 12:13:39 not for n900 at all Sep 10 12:13:46 these android apps use way too much ram Sep 10 12:20:18 Ew, this shashlink.io site forces smooth scrolling. Sep 10 12:20:34 * Maxdamantus doesn't think he's noticed any websites doing that before. Sep 10 12:21:14 Next thing you know, websites will be trying to make me use non-system-provided fonts. Sep 10 12:22:03 welcome to the wonderful world of web2.0 Sep 10 12:22:42 firefox should have a requester asking for js permission to override keys Sep 10 15:33:50 Maxdamantus: can't they already do that, though? Sep 10 15:37:17 Maxdamantus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_typography Sep 10 15:37:32 he meant it sarcastically Sep 10 15:38:09 oh Sep 10 15:38:11 as in 'he hates custom fonts as much as smooth scroll, yet, there will be someone glitching standards to show them on his device' Sep 10 16:05:11 What is the last operating voltage for Intex Aqua fish ?? For N900l, it is something fo 3.2 volts. Sep 10 16:23:30 Hey, my Linux installation broke, I am on Windows right now and I'm trying to import my PGP keys. They're encrypted using "keychain", how do I decrypt the files (on Windows) or in a VM? Sep 10 16:24:02 file starts like: (11:private-key(3:rsa(1:n257: Sep 10 16:24:20 I got the keychain password but no idea how to decrypt it using it Sep 10 16:28:11 ~\.gnupg\private-keys-v1.d Sep 10 16:28:32 all the files in that directory I need to decrypt so I can re-import the keys on my new installation Sep 10 16:28:32 how :( Sep 10 16:35:15 uh Sep 10 16:35:18 ? Sep 10 16:37:23 I have a backup of my linux drive Sep 10 16:37:31 trying to extract my PGP private keys from it Sep 10 16:37:48 but all my private keys are encrypted with my keychain password, I have the password but I have no idea how to start the decryption process Sep 10 16:38:50 well that's the part I dont get ... "encrypted with my keychain" Sep 10 16:39:12 aha okay ill try to explain Sep 10 16:39:39 by default, Linux doesnt store saved passwords etc in plaintext, it uses the "keychain" to encrypt it using RSA or something Sep 10 16:39:40 if your keys are sitting in the encrypted backup you'll hae a hard time decrypting it :/ Sep 10 16:39:50 why? I have the decryption password Sep 10 16:39:56 just I don't know what software to use Sep 10 16:40:24 what did you encrypt your backup with? Sep 10 16:40:57 the backup itself is not encrypted, just my PGP private keys are encrypted with my keychain Sep 10 16:41:14 what's this "keychain"? Sep 10 16:41:53 Gnome Keyring* Sep 10 16:41:53 sorry Sep 10 16:41:56 https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/GnomeKeyring?action=show&redirect=GnomeKeyring Sep 10 16:42:13 ah well, no freaking idea what gnome does Sep 10 16:42:20 :/ Sep 10 16:42:38 mate :( this is really important ;( if you know som1 who can help xD Sep 10 16:42:43 it should be really easy :/ Sep 10 16:43:08 aha it's AES-128 encrypted, where can I Find a windows program to decrypt AES-128 Sep 10 16:43:11 :/ Sep 10 16:43:16 someone that uses or has been using gnome in the past maybe Sep 10 16:43:29 tbh I'd rather do that from linux if anything Sep 10 16:43:48 the keyring shit is done by default to all your stored passwords and pgp in Ubuntu at least Sep 10 16:44:15 yeah I understand, but you wanna know what happened? :p Sep 10 16:44:50 if you have a "full" backup (all your home at least) then maybe rsyncing it to a freshly installed ubuntu of the same version would work Sep 10 16:45:16 well, why not :> Sep 10 16:45:20 I made a VMware Workstation virtual machine, pointed it to my physical drive, it boots up, I type in my decryption passwords etc to boot into my ubuntu installation, it then goes into emergency mode for god knows what reason, and then when I reboot my pc physically I get thrown to emergency mode as well, so I somehow bricked my install simply by bo Sep 10 16:45:20 oting into it once as a VM Sep 10 16:45:45 the backup is essentially every single file as they were but I can't boot into it anymore^ Sep 10 16:46:57 ouch Sep 10 16:47:18 ikr?! Sep 10 16:47:25 works fine for booting into windows and shit Sep 10 16:47:32 just pop up a VM Sep 10 16:47:38 point it to the physical drive Sep 10 16:47:55 but jewbuntu no :( Sep 10 17:02:27 help Sep 10 18:57:36 help Sep 10 18:58:40 What is up? Sep 10 18:58:44 Ah Sep 10 18:58:48 You have the Windows. Sep 10 18:58:48 Ok. Sep 10 19:05:15 yes Sep 10 19:06:20 because lacking SteamVR support and major headaches with compositors and rendering issues (specifically, OpenGL running significantly slower than OpenGL on Windows, makes no sense whatsoever, maybe old libs or something, can't change it though, Steam uses static libs) Sep 10 19:07:07 compositors DO not like 144hz apparently, no matter what kind of Vsync I put using Compton and whatnot I will get tearing guaranteed :( and most compositors only support 100hz Sep 10 19:07:18 is it some kind of bot? Sep 10 19:07:20 anyway I had to switch back to Windows for the time being till some imporvements are made Sep 10 19:07:40 what is? Sep 10 19:08:04 I have GnuPG, I copied my private keys, they're encrypted with my Gnome Keyring / AES-128, how do I decrypt ittttttt Sep 10 19:13:20 tried #gnome? Sep 10 19:13:51 how? Sep 10 19:13:58 launch a VM and feed it what files? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 11 03:00:00 2017