**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 21 03:00:02 2017 Sep 21 04:12:36 I don't know where the best place to ask is, but I can get a good price on an Xperia X right now Sep 21 04:12:42 and I heard it's getting Sailfish OS Sep 21 04:12:54 can I just buy any random Xperia X, and then flash Jolla's OS when the time comes? Sep 21 04:18:53 Boyeto: somehow i doubt this, but then again. What do I know? Nothing. Sep 21 04:20:15 thanks for replying at all Vajb Sep 21 04:20:21 had you actually heard of this? https://blog.jolla.com/category/sony-xperia/ Sep 21 04:20:30 and is there somewhere else I should be asking on IRC? Sep 21 04:20:48 need to know pretty soon, and at work so can't open the browser for forums, etc Sep 21 04:22:26 nvm, found the #sailfishos-porters channel Sep 21 04:27:02 no i haven't heard. My commont was fully based on what i have heard of Jolla beforehand. Sep 21 04:28:36 j #sailfishos-porters Sep 21 04:28:44 sorry Sep 21 04:34:23 well so it seems, but tell me. Is it still true that users can't flash their jolla devices, if they break the os? Sep 21 04:35:18 if that is true. I find it kinda weird that they announce flashability for other device while theirs remain closed. Sep 21 04:35:55 some would argue, it is bad for business Sep 21 04:41:23 I don't really know, never tried to flash my Jolla device Sep 21 04:45:41 I was planning to get one, when they announced it, but then i heard it wont have hw keyboard Sep 21 05:24:29 Yeah, I gave up the HW keyboard when I got the N9 Sep 21 05:24:42 I get by with Swype now Sep 21 05:26:09 p.s. I would argue that they probably don't care if you break your Sony/Nexus devices (not their problem), but if you brick your Jolla hardware, they have to support you Sep 21 05:26:27 not that I like my Jolla hardware at all, it's too low-end Sep 21 07:42:08 before you rush into this, consider do you want an Xperia in the first place. Sep 21 07:50:44 sixwheeledbeast: Yeah, I have an Xperia XZ Premium Sep 21 07:50:49 and my last phone was an Xperia Z3 Sep 21 07:50:57 prior to that, Xperia Z1 Sep 21 07:51:06 I like Xperias / Sony, but I miss the N9 Sep 21 07:51:17 9 minutes before I have to make the purchase Sep 21 07:52:20 ok, I haven't really used one but people tell me they break easily. Sep 21 07:53:14 Hmm... They seem pretty solid to me. I (foolishly) dropped my XZp while running, no case, and it's only got a minor rough texture in the bottom left corner Sep 21 07:53:37 generally though, I can see how they'd break easily Sep 21 07:53:40 slabs of glass Sep 21 07:54:08 phone on a leash Sep 21 07:54:11 could always put a case on it, if it appears particularly vulnerable Sep 21 07:54:37 I bought a Samsung S4 once, worst piece of hardware I ever purchased Sep 21 07:54:48 that, and the Xperias, are my only Android experience Sep 21 07:55:03 so this Sony partnership is perfect for me Sep 21 07:57:33 I put NitDroid on my N9, custom roms on my Z1 and Z3. I think I'll be ok with putting Sailfish on the X, as long as it's plausible Sep 21 07:57:53 3 minutes left before I have to hit 'buy' lol Sep 21 08:01:28 and i use fremantle since 2009 Sep 21 08:01:38 not going to change for android Sep 21 08:06:03 I changed because the hardware, etc got too slow Sep 21 08:06:10 can't do what I need to do on the N9/N900 Sep 21 08:06:22 sure, that's when i take out my laptop Sep 21 08:06:26 eg. Banking, bitcoin trading, etc Sep 21 08:06:52 ah, if that works for you, awesome. I have to commute on packed trains with no seats and am time poor :) Sep 21 08:07:15 anyway, purchase made, looking forward to using Sailfish on a proper phone Sep 21 08:17:13 I agree, anything my N900 can't do it's time to break out something bigger. Sep 21 08:17:48 From experience N900 is only as slow as the software you put on it. Sep 21 08:18:28 If you install allsorts of stuff on there it has a huge effect on the UX. Sep 21 13:11:52 or the website Sep 21 16:57:15 [2017-09-21 Thu 18:44:31] OH NO! they are removing IRDA from the linux kernel :O Sep 21 23:33:12 sixwheeledbeast: There are things some of us do on a daily basis, in situations where pulling out a laptop isn't practical. Can you pay for things in cafes, etc with crypto on-the-go using your N900? Catch an Uber? Sep 21 23:55:27 Dont know about crypto on-the-go but for Uber there is https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99792 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 22 03:00:00 2017