**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 25 03:00:01 2017 Sep 25 12:11:24 DocScrutinizer: what instant messaging/voice application is good? tox? Sep 25 14:29:42 XMPP? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 25 16:44:52 2017 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 25 19:21:19 2017 Sep 25 20:52:50 what p2p voice chat has low idle bandwidth to save mobile costs/battery? Sep 25 20:54:38 maybe face-2-face ? Sep 25 21:43:47 just curious Sep 26 01:31:54 well, SIP is P2P Sep 26 01:32:31 just nobody uses it that way Sep 26 01:39:56 https://www.onsip.com/blog/sip-account Sep 26 01:43:51 note they say you not only can create a group up to 100 users that have basically same domain name in their SIP address, they also promise calling and receiving calls from *any* SIP addresses in the internet Sep 26 01:47:33 not as if this was anything special. All SIP registrars *could* offer that and e.g. sipgate.de did it until some years ago when they stopped prolly to maximize their ROI and to protect their users from unsolicited SPAM calls which only make sense when they are for free Sep 26 01:48:36 and of course you as well could run your own registrar server if you want Sep 26 01:50:25 funny enough almost all landline phones in Germany got converted to "triple play" SIP now, and basically not a single one of those offers the full SIP featureset Sep 26 01:51:13 rather the ISPs pretend it was a normal landline phone Sep 26 01:54:40 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_play_(telecommunications) Sep 26 02:10:12 ooh, and just if you wonder: my SIP accounts on N900 are always activated, are pretty humble on bandwidth while not on call and work 100% fine via 3G internet, on 2G bandwidth results are mixed Sep 26 02:36:58 looks like the way to go Sep 26 02:37:00 ty Sep 26 02:37:03 DocScrutinizer05: may i pm something? Sep 26 02:38:10 sure Sep 26 02:38:16 but I'm afk now Sep 26 02:38:23 ok Sep 26 02:41:09 DocScrutinizer05, https://ring.cx/ does use SIP that way Sep 26 02:48:55 i see OpenDHT protocol, peer-to-peer discovery Sep 26 02:49:12 but ty for the link Sep 26 02:50:03 can i have ring act as a client for my telekom sip-capable router? Sep 26 02:54:03 LjL: any experience with Ring on mobile? Or know the openDHT idle-bandwidth? Sep 26 02:56:48 blap, last i tried it, the idle bandwidth and associated battery use was sadly still past the "acceptable" line. i have a belief that being a DHT doesn't intrinsically prevent it from being made efficient on mobile, but not many seem to agree with me there Sep 26 02:57:30 blap, and OpenDHT is for peer discovery indeed (and also text chat in certain cases), but then the actual audio/video link is established using SIP Sep 26 02:57:58 and yes, it can also be used as a standard SIP client by adding a SIP according instead or in addition to a Ring account within the client Sep 26 02:58:11 a SIP account* Sep 26 02:58:15 "according", feh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 26 03:00:02 2017