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Sep 27 03:30:52 <stryngs> #TrevorForget =)
Sep 27 12:40:53 <blap> KotCzarny: is there a oscp for sailfish?
Sep 27 12:40:59 <blap> i forgot if i asked before
Sep 27 12:41:05 <KotCzarny> not yet
Sep 27 12:41:19 <KotCzarny> sailfish uses weird software stack
Sep 27 12:41:24 <blap> do you have interest in a droid 4 with sfos?
Sep 27 12:41:39 <KotCzarny> if you are talking about donation, why not :P
Sep 27 12:41:46 <blap> reduced price
Sep 27 12:41:53 <KotCzarny> but i prefer good ol' n900 with normal linux
Sep 27 12:41:58 <blap> ok
Sep 27 12:42:15 <blap> with droid4 i have mostly usable webbrowsing
Sep 27 12:42:32 <KotCzarny> i have usable webbrowsing with n900
Sep 27 12:42:38 <KotCzarny> but i'm patient enough
Sep 27 12:42:39 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 27 12:42:46 <KotCzarny> gotta go, bbl
Sep 27 12:42:49 <blap> ok
Sep 27 15:13:43 <Langoor> I dont know if this is the right place.. but I just got a N900 today
Sep 27 15:13:48 <Langoor> the LCD is a little weird
Sep 27 15:14:19 <Langoor> like 9/10th of the screen looks way more gray, then there is a little green bar and then the screen is normal
Sep 27 15:14:30 <freemangordon> yes, this is the right place
Sep 27 15:15:17 <freemangordon> could be the flat cable that connects screen to the board
Sep 27 15:15:28 <Langoor> https://i.imgur.com/yq4iytp.jpg
Sep 27 15:15:31 <Langoor> thats a picture
Sep 27 15:15:38 <Langoor> the pixels appear fine
Sep 27 15:16:16 <freemangordon> but better wait for somebody who had problems with the screen to reply
Sep 27 15:16:27 <freemangordon> as I have never had any
Sep 27 15:16:32 <Langoor> allright
Sep 27 15:16:45 <Langoor> this thing was cheap (20 euro) but its in a pretty meh shape
Sep 27 15:16:57 <Langoor> sliders arent really smooth
Sep 27 15:16:58 <freemangordon> yeah
Sep 27 15:17:18 <freemangordon> this is your first n900?
Sep 27 15:18:07 <Langoor> yup
Sep 27 15:18:24 <freemangordon> ah, you're a bit late for the party :)
Sep 27 15:18:35 <Langoor> yup
Sep 27 15:19:05 <Langoor> I dont like the direct android and ios are going, from a privacy standpoint
Sep 27 15:19:12 <Langoor> so while searching alternatives I came across the n900
Sep 27 15:19:16 <Langoor> I just think its a cool concept
Sep 27 15:20:12 <freemangordon> parazyd: hi! how we are dealing with bugfixes/new package releases? or we still don;t have something established. https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/codelockui/commit/8b65603b28f75b97557c19d0c1af78ef819445ac
Sep 27 15:20:21 <freemangordon> Langoor: this is *the* device
Sep 27 15:20:52 <freemangordon> unfortunately noone produces something even closer to it, and it is aging
Sep 27 15:20:57 <Langoor> I like it so far, if it wasnt the lcd :(
Sep 27 15:21:15 <freemangordon> replacement screens are cheap and easy to change afaik
Sep 27 15:21:24 <Langoor> I couldnt find one
Sep 27 15:21:28 <Langoor> well, one for 25 euro on ebay
Sep 27 15:21:42 <freemangordon> well, I guess 25 is cheap 
Sep 27 15:22:50 <Langoor> I tought it was rather expensive
Sep 27 15:23:14 <freemangordon> Langoor: btw, 2 more things to check on your devica - USB port (is it charging) and SIM card circuitry - the famous "all telephony functions disabled" error
Sep 27 15:23:21 <freemangordon> *device
Sep 27 15:23:37 <Langoor> charging and usb works, already connected it to my pc
Sep 27 15:23:55 <freemangordon> well, I guess it depends on the budged (re cheap)
Sep 27 15:24:15 <freemangordon> Langoor: do you know talk.maemo.org?
Sep 27 15:25:02 <bencoh> Langoor: congratz, and welcome aboard :)
Sep 27 15:25:28 <freemangordon> bencoh: do you remember somebody having problems with the screen?
Sep 27 15:25:48 <KotCzarny> Langoor: be cautious with usb port
Sep 27 15:26:03 <bencoh> I dont remember who had issues, but maybe grepping (googling?) chan logs might help
Sep 27 15:26:04 <freemangordon> mhm, it is fragile
Sep 27 15:26:10 <KotCzarny> it's one of the flaws of n900 if treated roughly
Sep 27 15:26:12 <blap> yeah many of mine died usb death
Sep 27 15:26:23 <KotCzarny> mine is 8 years and still working
Sep 27 15:26:31 <freemangordon> same here
Sep 27 15:26:35 <KotCzarny> but i always align plug and device
Sep 27 15:26:48 <KotCzarny> and using the same cable 
Sep 27 15:26:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 27 15:26:49 <freemangordon> but I filed all the chargers sprongs ;)
Sep 27 15:26:53 <bencoh> :]
Sep 27 15:26:55 <freemangordon> *springs
Sep 27 15:26:58 <KotCzarny> mine are probably filed from use ;)
Sep 27 15:27:36 <freemangordon> bencoh: wanna do some packaging? :p
Sep 27 15:27:38 <Langoor> SIM works as well
Sep 27 15:27:41 <Langoor> nice :D
Sep 27 15:27:53 <bencoh> freemangordon: not sure I'll have time for it, but fire anyway :)
Sep 27 15:28:21 <KotCzarny> Langoor: also be cutious with keyboard, there is a suspicion that modem failure comes from too much pressure from the top (kb)
Sep 27 15:28:32 <freemangordon> ah, if you don;t have time, I'll do it, I was asking in case you have some spare time
Sep 27 15:28:44 <KotCzarny> *cautious
Sep 27 15:28:46 <Langoor> allright thanks for warning
Sep 27 15:28:51 <Langoor> I think I found the problem with the lcd
Sep 27 15:29:03 <KotCzarny> also, there is a high chance you can find fully functional device for 20-30eur
Sep 27 15:29:10 <bencoh> freemangordon: quite busy these days, it should be a bit better in a few weeks
Sep 27 15:29:20 <freemangordon> Langoor: could you share?
Sep 27 15:29:23 <KotCzarny> most of mine were bought for 15-30eur
Sep 27 15:29:26 <freemangordon> bencoh: sure, np
Sep 27 15:29:55 <Langoor> yeah im uploading the picture
Sep 27 15:30:00 <Langoor> I cant find N900's here for cheap
Sep 27 15:30:09 <Langoor> they go for 150 (!!!) on a 2nd hand site
Sep 27 15:30:20 <Langoor> https://i.imgur.com/MdcjCgs.jpg 
Sep 27 15:30:24 <Langoor> looks like a small crack in the lcd
Sep 27 15:30:40 <bencoh> Langoor: is that a crack?
Sep 27 15:30:46 <Langoor> im not sure
Sep 27 15:30:46 <bencoh> :/
Sep 27 15:30:54 <Langoor> its not in the digitizer
Sep 27 15:30:57 <Langoor> might be in the lcd
Sep 27 15:31:20 <freemangordon> yeah, looks like a crack
Sep 27 15:32:30 <KotCzarny> Langoor: wanna start a bussiness? i will get the ones from here for 30eur, you will pay me 50eur for each and sell for whatever you like :>
Sep 27 15:33:02 <KotCzarny> bencoh: looks like a crack
Sep 27 15:35:35 <Langoor> previous owner left all his shit on it
Sep 27 15:35:43 <Langoor> still has contacts, pictures everything
Sep 27 15:35:52 <Langoor> and a lot of games
Sep 27 15:36:22 <KotCzarny> maybe it was mugged or lost
Sep 27 15:36:32 <KotCzarny> try calling him and asking if he wants his data back
Sep 27 15:36:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 27 15:36:48 <KotCzarny> being lost seems like a 90% probability
Sep 27 15:37:49 <Langoor> dammit shitty lcd
Sep 27 15:37:56 <bencoh> lost n900 :(
Sep 27 15:37:58 <Langoor> I think tryting to get a new one is cheaper then replacing it?
Sep 27 15:38:08 <KotCzarny> yup
Sep 27 15:38:11 <Langoor> motherboard is still fine, usb and sim works
Sep 27 15:38:17 <KotCzarny> but also a roulette
Sep 27 15:38:26 <bencoh> finding a new one is probably simpler / cheaper yeah
Sep 27 15:38:30 <KotCzarny> keep as a donor or taker
Sep 27 15:38:57 <bencoh> and you can still use either of the twos to build a complete device anyway
Sep 27 15:39:02 <Langoor> yeah
Sep 27 15:39:05 <KotCzarny> but most likely you can get cheap 'no usb worky' or 'no modem worky'
Sep 27 15:39:10 <Langoor> how hard are they to service?
Sep 27 15:39:16 <KotCzarny> 4 screws
Sep 27 15:39:23 <bencoh> Langoor: we have service manuals
Sep 27 15:39:24 <KotCzarny> and one cable to fit in
Sep 27 15:39:26 <bencoh> and schematics :)
Sep 27 15:39:33 <KotCzarny> trivial to replace screen assembly
Sep 27 15:39:39 <Langoor> ohhh nice
Sep 27 15:40:54 <KotCzarny> a bit harder if you want to replace only lcd
Sep 27 15:41:09 <KotCzarny> so best bet is to get an n900 woth good screen
Sep 27 15:41:19 <Langoor> ah nice
Sep 27 15:41:26 <Langoor> it still has someones msn account in it wow
Sep 27 15:42:04 <KotCzarny> if you want to returm data to owner, stop browsing, otherwise reflash
Sep 27 15:42:08 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Sep 27 15:42:09 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
Sep 27 15:42:27 <Langoor> I'll flash it
Sep 27 15:43:22 <parazyd> freemangordon: stagnated a little bit. been busy with work. should continue soon
Sep 27 15:43:35 <parazyd> freemangordon: we only need to fix the arm repository generation, everything else is set
Sep 27 15:44:08 <freemangordon> parazyd: ok, how to trigger a new build for a package?
Sep 27 15:44:34 <parazyd> can we continue in the other channel?
Sep 27 15:52:58 <mehdi__> Hi there,
Sep 27 16:00:22 <blap> hi
Sep 27 16:05:56 <mehdi__> I have an unscheduled system reboot related to an application failure and the only access I have to the system is via Remote Terminal. How would I determine the cause?
Sep 27 16:08:32 <blap> new 160terabit/s cable laid across atlantic
Sep 27 16:08:46 <blap> i don't know mehdi__ 
Sep 27 16:10:07 <bencoh> dunno what kind of system you're referring to but you could start by grepping the logs
Sep 27 16:10:13 <bencoh> (or just reading the logs actually)
Sep 27 16:10:26 <Langoor> the download link for the flasher is dead?
Sep 27 16:11:08 <bencoh> which link are you referring to?
Sep 27 16:12:14 <mehdi__> well, I need a command line to check which app...
Sep 27 16:12:17 <Langoor> ~flashing
Sep 27 16:12:17 <infobot> somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
Sep 27 16:12:20 <Langoor> first link
Sep 27 16:12:23 <Langoor> download for N900
Sep 27 16:12:30 <bencoh> by the way the main server for muarf.org isn't reachable for now, so I just changed the DNS records for mirrors.muarf.org and maemo.muarf.org to point to a fallback
Sep 27 16:12:35 <Langoor> "Download the Flasher for your device model: N900, N810, N800 or 770"
Sep 27 16:12:51 <Langoor> and the firmware images too
Sep 27 16:12:59 <mehdi__> I know that logs are into /var/log/syslog /var/log/kern.log /var/log/dmesg
Sep 27 16:13:06 <bencoh> but you might experience some downtime in case of old dns cache
Sep 27 16:13:31 <mehdi__> but with command lines, how to check the app?
Sep 27 16:13:35 <Langoor> I guess nokia software updater doenst work anymore?
Sep 27 16:13:46 <bencoh> Langoor: official nokia links are pretty much all dead yeah
Sep 27 16:14:03 <bencoh> which is why we have mirrors / backups :)
Sep 27 16:14:38 <mehdi__> @bencoh: the system = Ubuntu for example
Sep 27 16:14:56 <Langoor> im trying to get my n900 on a fresh install
Sep 27 16:14:59 <Langoor> factory reset so to say
Sep 27 16:22:07 <freemangordon> Langoor: use your favorite console text editor/viewer (vi or mcview or whatever) and open /var/log/syslog. Check what happened there
Sep 27 16:22:21 <freemangordon> oops
Sep 27 16:22:25 <freemangordon> mehdi__: ^^^
Sep 27 16:24:15 <bencoh> ~lazyflashing
Sep 27 16:24:16 <infobot> lazyflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
Sep 27 16:24:34 <bencoh> Langoor: have a look at ^^^ then - read script before launching it, though :)
Sep 27 16:31:25 <Langoor> allright, thanks
Sep 27 16:33:40 <mehdi__> yea that's it! @freemangordon
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