**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 05 03:00:01 2017 Oct 05 07:02:32 u..huh Oct 05 07:24:57 does https secure connection from point to point? Oct 05 07:25:13 as long there is no main-in-the-middle, yes Oct 05 07:25:48 so it is possible to intervene? Oct 05 07:26:12 define 'intervene' Oct 05 07:26:57 i mean is it always point to point or man in the middle could happen without user knowing about it? Oct 05 07:27:33 i think if they manage to plant cert on your computer, then yes Oct 05 07:27:47 we discussed about internet protocols today and somehow i recall reading that https is not as secure as it claims to be Oct 05 07:28:16 maybe i mixed it up with something else Oct 05 07:28:54 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/how-secure-https-today Oct 05 07:29:04 i recaaled https being secure between ur computer and ur isp and from isp to service u r using it is pretty much up to r isp to keep it secure or not Oct 05 07:29:13 2011, i bet there are more ways to sneak around Oct 05 07:29:59 im not planning to sneak into anything, but to confirm if im recalling things correctly :) Oct 05 07:34:38 vajb: remember that keys can be stolen, and there were cases of that already Oct 05 07:34:57 anyone who has the key, can decrypt and encrypt data using it Oct 05 07:35:09 and impersonate the key owner Oct 05 07:35:15 sure, but i was thinking more of it being broken by design Oct 05 07:35:42 but it seems i mixed up somethings, probably Oct 05 07:35:45 in that sense it is point-to-point Oct 05 07:36:22 server encrypts, client decrypts Oct 05 07:36:55 as long you dont accept suspicious certs (or keys not being compromised) you are safe Oct 05 07:37:06 so if any three letter acronym had access to some mainknots of internet, connection would still be secure? Oct 05 07:37:30 rephrase the question Oct 05 07:38:09 can't recall the correct term it seems Oct 05 07:38:17 but like u connect to ur isp Oct 05 07:38:27 ur isp connects to something else Oct 05 07:38:35 another issue is crypto function, if it's bad (easy to crack) Oct 05 07:38:53 and that something else connects to something even broader link over network Oct 05 07:39:02 vajb: your client should throw the warning in the case key not matching Oct 05 07:39:10 i see Oct 05 07:39:56 that's why you should usually inspect cert data (or site owner information) Oct 05 07:41:01 yes, my friend found a webpage which had very cheap laptops and page was only five days old and proved to be hoax in further investigation Oct 05 13:08:53 anyone experienced "Card did not respond to voltage select" in u-boot when doing sdboot? Oct 05 14:13:26 not i Oct 05 15:00:36 nor me Oct 05 15:01:32 KotCzarny: i thought about this https and i guess i mixed point to point and end to end. At least this is most likely. Oct 05 17:24:13 is it possible to disable and enable vibration via alarmed? Over ruling all other settings. Oct 05 17:32:52 Vajb: yes Oct 05 17:33:44 parazyd: sounds like an SDcard issue Oct 05 17:45:42 parazyd: isn't there more? Oct 05 17:46:01 aa wait, uBoot so no syslog, a pity Oct 05 17:46:34 no it just drops that line a bunch of times and then puts me back on the prompt Oct 05 17:46:52 tried another Sd card? Oct 05 17:46:53 but this entire phone might be dying though Oct 05 17:47:06 it's failing to charge sometimes and that... Oct 05 17:47:16 DocScrutinizer05: i haven't had time, but i intend to Oct 05 17:47:21 hmm, you need a new devel device, eh? Oct 05 17:48:33 do you? Oct 05 17:49:09 not really Oct 05 17:49:39 k, toss over the dd image when I shall help with testing on another device Oct 05 17:50:09 sure Oct 05 17:50:16 though short on time really Oct 05 17:50:45 maybe a short dd and SD swap can get done Oct 05 17:50:45 wasnt that error with mainline and sd common? Oct 05 17:50:54 but dont remember what was the trick Oct 05 17:50:56 can't recall Oct 05 17:51:06 was it? Oct 05 17:51:19 my photographic memory says yes, but it can be wrong Oct 05 17:51:21 Pali: to the rescue! Oct 05 17:51:25 freemangordon: ^^^ Oct 05 17:52:21 for issues with uBoot ask the uBoot expert -> Pali ;-) Oct 05 17:53:07 "Card did not respond to voltage select"? Oct 05 17:53:09 that sounds strangely scary, regarding bus factor Oct 05 17:53:21 make sure you have correct version of uboot Oct 05 17:53:34 Pali: could you please clone yourself? ;-P Oct 05 17:53:45 if it still happen, turn phone off, remove battery and insert again Oct 05 17:54:00 it is some strange thing with NOLO Oct 05 17:54:07 also make sure that battery is charged Oct 05 17:54:18 NOLO sometimes do nasty things when battery is low/empty Oct 05 17:54:33 and does not initialize all needed HW correctly (maybe powersafe mode?) Oct 05 17:54:41 prolly Oct 05 17:54:54 911 & charging topmost prio Oct 05 17:54:55 I saw this problem when I rebooted from mainline kernel to uboot Oct 05 17:55:17 power off/on or reboot via nolo basically helped Oct 05 17:55:54 we need to solve this for Neo900 Oct 05 17:56:16 if one thing won't be portable then that's NOLO Oct 05 17:57:41 proper uboot hw init Oct 05 17:57:41 everything else I still think will work OOTB Oct 05 17:57:59 maybe suboptimal but works Oct 05 17:58:00 I have not figured out whole HW init from linux kernel Oct 05 17:58:21 so sometimes when nolo does not init everything, uboot does not have to work Oct 05 17:58:39 yeah Oct 05 17:58:53 somebody should RE NOLO Oct 05 17:59:27 not needed, whole init code is also in kernel Oct 05 17:59:28 just lazy RE, like "aah this is clock init, we already coevered that. So skip that, next one please" Oct 05 18:00:21 only analyze in deep when there's something strange or unexepected Oct 05 18:01:43 hmm, could we place a regular kernel into e.g. initrd NAND partition and use that instead of uBoot for init and loading the real kernel? Oct 05 18:02:43 I should check what Werner almesberger did for Openmoko Qi bootloader Oct 05 18:03:07 he hated the idea to duplicate init from kernel in bootloader Oct 05 18:03:25 thus we got Qi-bootloader Oct 05 18:04:11 he dispised uBoot as "yet another OS" Oct 05 18:05:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi Oct 05 18:07:10 uboot is quite important because it allows more than just linux Oct 05 18:16:02 err Oct 05 18:16:20 like electricity Oct 05 18:24:44 you are all registered as info-terrorists Oct 05 18:25:22 so maximise your potential Oct 05 19:39:51 1,1 14,14 1,1 Oct 05 19:40:02 14,14 1,1 1,15▌ 1,1 15,15 1,1 Oct 05 19:40:13 14,14 14,1▌ 1,14▙14,1▀15,14▐15,15 15,14▌14,1▀▀ 15,15 15,14▟15,15 15,1▄ 1,14▛15,14▄15,15 15,14▙1,15▀1,1 Oct 05 19:40:26 14,1▀▀1,14▟1,1 1,15▌ 15,14▌1,1 15,15 1,1 15,15 1,1 15,1▐15,15 15,1▌1,15▌ 15,1▌ Oct 05 19:40:38 1,1 1,15▌ 15,14▌1,1 15,15 1,1 15,15 1,1 14,15▌ 15,1▌ Oct 05 19:40:49 1,1 1,14▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▜1,1 1,15▌ 15,14▌1,1 15,15 1,1 15,15 1,1 14,15▌ 15,1▌1,15▛▀▀▜1,1 Oct 05 19:40:59 1,14▀1,1 1,14▛▀▀ 14,15▀▀▜▛▜▀▀▀▀14,14 1,14▌1,1 1,15▌ 15,14▌1,1 15,15 1,1 15,15 1,1 15,14▐15,15 15,1▙▟15,15 1,15▐1,1 Oct 05 19:41:11 14,14 14,1▌ 1,14▀ 14,15▙15,14▀▀▀▀▀▀▌ ▀▀▀14,15▟14,14 14,1▛ 1,15▙15,1▀▀1,14▄1,1 15,1▀▀▀ ▀▀▀ 1,15▙15,1▀▀▀▀1,14▟1,1 Oct 05 19:41:11 DocScrutinizer05: ^^ Oct 05 19:41:23 14,14 1,14▜1,1 1,14▛ 14,1▛▀▀▀14,14 14,15▌15,0▀15,15 14,14 14,1▀▀▀▜14,14 14,1▌ Oct 05 19:41:24 i tried, but i have no chanserv access Oct 05 19:41:34 14,14 1,14▛▜▛14,1▟14,14 14,15▛▀▀▀▀▀▀▀15,14▐0,15▜15,0▟▌ 0,15▛14,15▀▀▜14,1▙▞14,15▀▜14,1▟14,14 14,1▌ Oct 05 19:41:40 err? Oct 05 19:41:48 14,14 14,1▙14,14 14,15▙15,14▜15,15 0,0 15,0▀▀▀▀▜0,15▟0,0 14,15▀▀▛▛15,14▟15,15 15,14▛ 14,1▌ 15,1▐15,15 15,1▌ 15,15 1,14▐1,1 1,14▌14,15▀▀1,14▐1,1 14,15▀▀▀1,14▐1,1 14,15▀▀▀1,14▟1,1 1,15▛15,14▄15,15 15,1▙1,15▀1,1 Oct 05 19:41:57 blap: please, dont do that kind of stuff here Oct 05 19:42:02 14,14 14,1▀▀▀14,14 15,14▟15,15 0,0 0,15▀15,0▛▚ ▀15,14▜14,15▀15,14▟14,15▀▜14,14 1,14▟1,1 14,15▌ 15,1▌ 15,15 15,1▛▀1,15▟1,1 1,15▌ 15,1▌1,14▛15,15 15,14▌1,14▛15,15 1,1 15,15 1,14▄15,15 1,14▜1,1 Oct 05 19:42:36 ty Oct 05 19:42:39 yw Oct 05 19:46:07 sicelo: you might ask generalantilles/ryan-abel to transfer GC to me, to allow me improve chanop situation in here Oct 05 19:46:32 nah Oct 05 19:46:43 that wouldnt be wise Oct 05 19:47:23 sicelo: alternatively, if you can't rwch him at all (which is the root problem) yoiu may send a email from maemo.org to freenode about same issue to trabsfer GC to me Oct 05 19:47:34 I assumed you where about as active an hour ago but I have no idea who other ops are Oct 05 19:47:36 reach* Oct 05 19:47:50 nobody basically Oct 05 19:48:09 sixwheeledbeast: /msg chanserv flags #maemo Oct 05 19:48:21 oh Oct 05 19:48:22 lol Oct 05 19:48:25 well nobody active anyway Oct 05 19:48:27 cant even see Oct 05 19:49:52 GC has been an issue for maybe 5 years now Oct 05 19:49:58 ? Oct 05 19:50:17 since migration it been generalantilles but he's MIA Oct 05 19:51:09 maybe I am thinking of pre-migration then Oct 05 19:51:14 yep Oct 05 19:51:31 pre.mifg was x-fade Oct 05 19:51:37 pre-mig* Oct 05 19:51:54 Nemein Oct 05 19:52:10 Nokia's sysops Oct 05 19:53:38 btw GenearlAntilles is actually online Oct 05 19:54:05 I recall x-fade then Oct 05 19:54:13 :nod: Oct 05 19:54:18 that's looong afo Oct 05 19:54:30 ago even Oct 05 19:55:52 anyway a job for council to fix: transfer GC to somebody who's going to stay around and active Oct 05 19:56:20 NB that's NOT any of council members since those may vanish after 5 months Oct 05 19:56:55 so either warfare, other techstaff, or me Oct 05 19:57:59 or MC eV somebody who's not going to leave. No idea if there's such lifetime position in MC Oct 05 19:58:44 I'd not mind taking up on the duty and hand it on to somebody else _before_ I leave if that would ever happen Oct 05 19:59:57 yes GA was HF which made sense at the time. Oct 05 20:00:09 yep Oct 05 20:00:42 unlike MC, HF was permamnent entity Oct 05 20:01:19 DocScrutinizer05: what is GC? sorry i am yet to read backscroll properly Oct 05 20:01:30 Broup contact Oct 05 20:01:37 Group Contact Oct 05 20:01:54 https://freenode.net/groupreg Oct 05 20:03:00 the namespace is registered and GeneralAntilles is maemo namespace Group Contact, responsible for cloaks etc, and also for fixing issues like the lack of chanops in here Oct 05 20:03:35 okay. i understand it. Oct 05 20:04:06 i'll bring it to the attention of the others :-) Oct 05 20:05:03 council sending an email from council@maemo.org to the freenode address in ^^^ with "please assign maemo Group Contact primary to $useraccount, $email" will do Oct 05 20:06:16 or you just ping generalantilles and ask him to do it via IRC, which would be waaaay faster given you can contact him Oct 05 20:06:47 he *is* GC, he is the one who's supposed to do the GC transfer Oct 05 20:07:03 since GC transfer is one of GCs duties Oct 05 20:12:33 blap: please don't send ascii gfx! Oct 05 20:13:08 ok Oct 05 20:13:29 though your gfx are really nice... if only I had no proportional font ;-P Oct 05 20:14:00 ascii art etc is a real nogo in public channels Oct 05 20:14:04 usually Oct 05 20:16:33 * DocScrutinizer05 idly muses if Group Registration is an asset and thus belongs to MC's domain Oct 05 20:17:13 can't hurt they shanghaied me, eh? Oct 05 20:17:37 ;-) Oct 05 20:17:54 thanks DocScrutinizer05 Oct 05 20:18:14 blap: np Oct 05 20:18:38 ##ascii has more Oct 05 20:18:45 :-D Oct 05 20:19:17 yeah, this is the one channel where ascii art is highly welcome :-) Oct 05 20:21:42 sicelo: I'd suggest to assign GC to warfare and/or me. Possibly warfare isn't available for that task though, I don't know. anyway should be (ex?)-techstaff Oct 05 20:22:27 it's mere technical/organizational managenent role, thus close to techstaff Oct 05 20:25:31 for council it's no big thing to negotiate, just aon of council's maintenance tasks you're assigning/delegating Oct 05 20:32:32 germans are good Oct 05 20:32:35 jews are evil Oct 05 20:37:48 aah you did Oct 05 20:38:21 jews made intel management engine Oct 05 20:39:01 blap: please stop that stuff! immediately Oct 05 20:39:55 ok Oct 05 20:40:36 why not tell you people who did it though Oct 05 20:40:42 :) Oct 05 20:41:18 you want freedom, and are too afraid to say who threatens your freedom? Oct 05 20:50:36 blap: STOP IT! last warning Oct 05 20:51:16 ok thanks DocScrutinizer05 Oct 05 20:51:41 next statement that violates freenode and maemo spirit will earn you immediate ban Oct 05 20:51:56 fair to give warning Oct 05 20:52:23 i appreciate Oct 05 20:53:12 but let's discuss the bombing of germany Oct 05 21:12:04 KotCzarny: /msg chanserv access $CHANNEL list Oct 05 21:14:24 no idea if /msg chanserv flags #maemo is supposed to work, it does for me **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 06 03:00:01 2017