**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 10 03:00:01 2017 Oct 10 03:10:55 This is taking longer than I thought :P Oct 10 03:37:15 Finally, I am now running CSSU I hope :) Oct 10 04:00:51 Yeah CSSU is great Oct 10 04:01:06 Much better than running some random set of self-built packages' Oct 10 04:01:17 Now I need to update to CSSU-devel and then update a few packages on top of that Oct 10 04:01:38 I want to live on the bleeding edge of N900 development (and possibly beyond that in some cases :P Oct 10 06:49:55 https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/10/10/purism-librem-5-open-source-linux-smartphone-meets-its-1-5-million-dollars-funding-target/ Oct 10 06:50:25 wtf. no kb thing gets funding Oct 10 06:54:12 lol, 80usd shipping Oct 10 07:38:16 I think I might have found that rare case where a N900 is screwed beyond being fixable. Something somehow in the process of installing cssu or something has caused my phone to go into a bootloop (the kind that even backupmenu cant get past). That alone I can fix. But now my USB port wont work at all and I cant talk to the phone via flasher. Oct 10 07:38:24 That second thing means I am screwed Oct 10 07:39:15 whatever you did, as long battery and usb is physically ok, you should be able to boot rescueos Oct 10 07:39:21 so check your battery maybe? Oct 10 07:39:27 Note "USB port wont work at all" Oct 10 07:39:42 so, you broke the port? Oct 10 07:39:43 i.e. flasher-3.5 wont see the phone Oct 10 07:40:02 These things are weak and it probably finally had one too many replugs Oct 10 07:40:13 ho hum Oct 10 07:40:15 When I plug in the data cable from my PC into my N900, it comes up with a Nokia logo on a dark screen with a USB sign in the corner for about 5 seconds Oct 10 07:40:25 that indicates that usb works though Oct 10 07:40:26 less than 5 seconds actually Oct 10 07:40:29 then that logo goes away Oct 10 07:40:33 hm. Oct 10 07:40:36 and it bootloops Oct 10 07:40:43 can you try bootloop-low-battery-fix ? Oct 10 07:40:44 it might be fixable with some soldering skills still, if it is the usb port Oct 10 07:41:45 ~bootloop-low-battery-fix Oct 10 07:41:55 What's bootloop-low-battery-fix? Oct 10 07:42:01 I dont have soldering skills or the tools to solder Oct 10 07:42:27 and I dont know anyone I can go visit who does have the tools/skills for soldering Oct 10 07:42:35 just charge the battery somehow Oct 10 07:43:01 afair once it's under 30% or something flasher wont see the device Oct 10 07:43:19 I have no way to charge the battery Oct 10 07:45:06 Although everything I know says there is juice in at least one of the 2 batteries I have here in front of me Oct 10 07:45:24 My gut says its one of those cases where some pins of the USB port aren't making contact and others are Oct 10 07:45:31 Hence the brief USB logo Oct 10 07:45:39 did you try flasher on both? Oct 10 07:46:01 yep, neither one gets it to recognize Oct 10 07:46:40 my gut is telling me my USB port is busted and I am screwed Oct 10 07:47:06 even if I could charge the battery to 100% (or get one that was charged to 100%) I dont think it would get this thing to be recognized by flasher Oct 10 07:47:33 I have no clue what the hell to do now Oct 10 07:48:10 get cheap device with broken lcd? :) Oct 10 07:48:13 order another n900, or a n900 battery charger Oct 10 07:48:35 I dont think the battery will help Oct 10 07:48:39 I think I need a new N900 Oct 10 07:48:45 one with a USB port that isn't stuffed Oct 10 07:49:01 trust me when I say no amount of battery juice is likely to get this phone going again Oct 10 07:49:41 and of course I have a backupmenu backup but its sitting on my EMMC since I dont have a microsd Oct 10 07:50:44 I am fairly sure I am 100% screwed Oct 10 07:51:19 you can try to gently push the cable a bit and see if it makes contact then. then it might be fixable still. Oct 10 07:51:29 (with a steady hand and soldering iron) Oct 10 07:51:35 Tried that several times, no juice Oct 10 07:52:00 I dont have a soldering iron, a steady hand or the tools to take apart a N900 Oct 10 07:52:07 I am fairly sure I am screwed Oct 10 07:52:12 at this point Oct 10 07:52:39 unless I can find someone in Brisbane, Australia that can do the kind of deep board level repair work likely to be necessary to fix this Oct 10 07:53:34 and in the short term I have no phone at all Oct 10 07:53:54 and no way for important people to get in touch with me whilst I figure this out Oct 10 07:54:09 I think the best next step is to buy the cheapest possible phone so I can talk to people again Oct 10 07:54:33 and then from there figure out what to do with my precious N900 Oct 10 07:56:42 used phones are often offered for free on classifieds sites Oct 10 07:56:56 ie. local sell/buy/give away for free boards Oct 10 08:00:58 That sort of stuff doesn't happen so much in Australia because of the "we buy any phone no matter how old" type mobs that give maybe $5 for even the crappiest of phones (and the big recycling effort where people dispose of their phones in an e-waste recycling bin) Oct 10 08:01:10 o.O Oct 10 08:05:09 right now though I will head out to the nearest payphone and phone some people who will get very worried if they cant contact me Oct 10 08:05:57 since otherwise they might think I am in real trouble Oct 10 08:08:44 jonwil: I can usually get a n900 for 50 euros around here Oct 10 08:08:57 if you want I can do that and send one your way. have to check shipping. Oct 10 08:13:51 oh wow, letter up to 350g to australia is ~4usd Oct 10 08:13:57 up to 500g is ~10usd Oct 10 08:14:44 jonwil, i can try to get device with broken screen cheap here and send you Oct 10 09:03:12 $70 later I have a cheap crap phone that is covered in Google, LG and Vodafone logos and that has successfully connected to TPG (my network is a Vodafone MVNO hence why I went for a Vodafone phone) so at least I can contact the people that I need to contact. Oct 10 09:03:17 Or rather I have done that Oct 10 09:03:27 let the family know I am ok and what has happened Oct 10 09:03:37 So that's got the immediate need for a device that can act as a phone sorted Oct 10 09:05:04 Now I can take a bit of time to figure out whether I go for a repair of my current phone somehow, a new-to-me N900 or something else. Oct 10 11:29:21 jonwil, I had 2 people in Brisbane who responded to my wanted 'N900' ad. A moth ago, I offered $20; no reply, probably waiting for a higher offer. Oct 10 11:29:54 *month Oct 10 11:49:16 Anyone here from Melbourne? There is this ambiguous ad, *might* be worth looking at gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1162113650 Oct 10 11:51:04 Heck, I bought my first N900 from asking, "Anyone want to sell me their Nokia N900?", on the Australian (reddit?) IRC channel. Oct 10 11:55:45 I haven't decided what I am going to do yet. Its entirely possible there is some way I can get the USB port on my N900 replaced somehow and get my own phone back again. Oct 10 12:01:42 In fact I am sure its probably fixable since there are thousands of posts on TMO about people who had broken USB ports but dont anymore. Its just a question of whether someone who has the skills to fix it exists in a location where they would be useful to me... Oct 10 12:02:49 and how much fixing it would cost Oct 10 13:55:01 and i fixed the usb ports on my two n900 with zero smd soldering experience. i believe you can do it jonwil Oct 10 14:21:56 sicelo: lol Oct 10 14:32:04 Its not just the experience, I dont have any of the tools required to do it Oct 10 14:32:34 send it to sicelo Oct 10 14:32:35 ;) Oct 10 14:32:36 And I suspect getting the tools for fine SMD soldering work (and all the other things required to make it happen) wouldn't be cheap. Oct 10 14:35:45 i think he did it without Oct 10 14:40:03 I would need either skills I dont have, tools I dont have or both in order to try and fix my N900 Oct 10 14:40:07 unforuntely Oct 10 14:40:20 and that's not me underestimating my capabilities Oct 10 14:40:40 I definitely need a soldering iron (even the cheapest suitable one would be expensive) Oct 10 14:40:53 and I need some tiny screwdrivers for the tiny screws Oct 10 15:13:03 yes, i had no sm station, just a regular electronics soldering iron Oct 10 15:13:45 what android phone did you get? Oct 10 15:15:27 I bought a $70 cheap LG thingo Oct 10 15:15:34 Just something that would let me make calls and crap Oct 10 15:15:51 It was the cheapest phone I could find that I could be sure would work with my carrier Oct 10 15:17:18 I just needed something to keep me going until I figure out what to do (fix my N900, new N900, some other phone) Oct 10 20:15:00 is it me or did wikipedia articles menus stop working in opera @ n900? Oct 10 20:16:46 i mean if there is longer article it is first shown in "collapsed" view and before today i was able to click those and read the sub menus. Oct 10 20:18:00 use microb :) Oct 10 20:20:52 i don't like it. It is slow :/ Oct 10 20:22:46 use Opera 12 maybe? Oct 10 20:25:59 it had annoying features in facebook Oct 10 20:26:08 im picky, i know :) Oct 10 20:26:49 but good call, I have version 11 installed Oct 10 20:28:40 I can confirm that wikipedia works as expected on microb Oct 10 20:30:57 ;-) Oct 10 21:36:47 sicelo: did you talk about the group reg issue? Oct 10 21:38:48 * DocScrutinizer05 - on a totally unrelated sidenote - considers making money as a youtube IKEA assembly instruction video provider Oct 10 21:39:36 dman, those PAX slide doors are a bitch to assemble **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 11 03:00:02 2017