**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 12 03:00:02 2017 Oct 12 05:09:44 hi Oct 12 05:21:31 hi Oct 12 05:44:17 hi... Oct 12 07:47:50 * enyc meeps Oct 12 07:49:49 no one's home, coma back later Oct 12 07:55:33 does PalmOS and related get any love these days? Oct 12 07:55:52 does it work on n8x0/n900 ? Oct 12 07:56:07 very unlikely Oct 12 07:56:15 then no Oct 12 07:57:08 Palm and Maemo are the two platforms that I look kindly to Oct 12 07:57:24 Maybe older Windows Mobile if I pull some hairs :P Oct 12 07:58:36 https://gizmodo.com/5424090/run-palm-os-garnet-vm-on-your-nokia-n900 Oct 12 07:58:41 does this count? Oct 12 07:58:45 :p Oct 12 08:00:32 kinda Oct 12 08:00:36 as long it's usable Oct 12 08:00:51 and doesnt eat battery too much Oct 12 08:02:54 I never really liked Android Oct 12 08:03:25 my main gripe is the capacitive touchscreen setting the standard for UI design Oct 12 08:03:42 no stylus smaller than a meat sausage Oct 12 08:03:47 finger Oct 12 08:04:09 on the plus side you can control it with your willy Oct 12 08:04:20 as long its not smaller than sausage :P Oct 12 08:04:27 hehe Oct 12 08:05:01 I remember something along those lines involving iphone's fingerprint lock Oct 12 08:15:17 My god getting anything Android that is even remotely close to non-sucky is impossible without spending a fortune... Oct 12 08:15:42 Looking in the phone store today all the Android phones worth thinking about as a permanent replacement (e.g. Samsung Galaxy) cost over $1k Oct 12 08:15:57 hehe Oct 12 08:16:07 jonwil, i can look for used n900 here Oct 12 08:16:20 should fit in 30-50usd Oct 12 08:21:49 The biggest problem I have with anything overseas is that I have had bad issues with PayPal in the past and refuse to use it for anything. Oct 12 08:21:59 So finding one that I can pay for without using PayPal is hard Oct 12 08:22:12 i can get it and send to you Oct 12 08:22:36 I am still investigating if I can find my current N900 somehow Oct 12 08:22:39 and get it working again Oct 12 08:22:54 If I could find a way to charge my batteries to full, that might allow me to do something. Oct 12 08:23:17 bl-5j was used in a bunch of phones Oct 12 08:23:22 even in some recent ashas Oct 12 08:25:51 An external charger for a BL-5J would be perfect if I could find one Oct 12 08:26:03 I know they exist, I just dont know where the hell I get one from Oct 12 08:26:16 any li-ion charger could do i guess Oct 12 08:26:21 if you are careful Oct 12 08:27:01 do these batteries come with built-in protection circuits? Oct 12 08:27:21 that means if pins order/size is the same you can try to hold it even if it wouldnt fit Oct 12 08:27:53 or better yet, alligator clips Oct 12 08:29:29 https://renerento.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/bl-5j-wires.jpg yup, built-in circuit Oct 12 08:32:39 I am going to try something I saw on TMO where I plug it into the wallcharger and then insert the battery and just leave it even if its bootlooping or otherwise doing something Oct 12 08:32:48 It cant make things any worse Oct 12 08:33:13 And it may well add juice to the battery somehow using the deep level nolo battery logic mentioned in the tmo post I found Oct 12 08:33:34 ~bootloop Oct 12 08:33:34 well, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. Oct 12 08:33:38 talking about this one? Oct 12 08:33:54 hmm Oct 12 08:33:57 ~flatbat Oct 12 08:34:01 ~flatbatt Oct 12 08:35:07 ~flatbatrecover Oct 12 08:35:07 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) Oct 12 08:35:10 or this one? Oct 12 08:35:45 Yeah its not going that far, I dont get amber lights at all Oct 12 08:36:10 what did you do to the poor thing? Oct 12 08:41:45 hmm, spam alert on wiki.maemo.org, anyone? Oct 12 08:41:47 The USB port may or may not be broken (i.e. some pins are making contact but other pins may not be) but regardless of that state the system is broken to the point it cant load any kernel modules and therefore cant boot whatever is on the flash at all (either normally or booting backupmenu) Oct 12 08:42:56 Best guess from what I was able to see when I did have flasher able to talk to the phone was that the kernel booted and then loaded the root FS which tried to load all the modules then the kernel said "hey module xyz is incompatible with this kernel" and couldn't load it. Oct 12 08:43:04 Then it tried to start all the userspace daemons Oct 12 08:43:16 which looked for their kernel drivers from the modules that didn't load Oct 12 08:43:22 and couldn't find them so they exited Oct 12 08:43:27 Watchdogs kicked in and tried again Oct 12 08:43:45 before kicking the phone offline since essential system processes refused to start Oct 12 08:45:17 If the USB port isn't broken and I can get a battery that's charged up to the point I can get flasher to talk to the device (ideally one that's full) then I can attempt to boot the stock maemo PR1.3 fiasco image, get the phone to start up, copy off all my data and reflash the thing. Oct 12 08:45:41 But if I cant get a battery that is charged enough or the USB port really is broken, I think my N900 is dead Oct 12 08:46:03 keep it, good screen is valuable spare part Oct 12 08:46:15 The screen on the thing is scratched up Oct 12 08:46:20 i.e. its not "good" anymore Oct 12 08:46:24 but works? Oct 12 08:46:32 Seems to do Oct 12 08:46:42 and external bezel is quite easy to replace Oct 12 08:47:22 Its like there is a layer of plastic on top of the screen (not a screen protector but actually part of the screen) and that top layer has come off in a bunch of places Oct 12 08:47:26 if you know what I mean Oct 12 08:47:39 But its still worth keeping if I do end up with another N900 just because other parts may be useful. Oct 12 08:54:00 sixwheeledbeast: ping Oct 12 09:20:19 So my options at this point are: Oct 12 09:20:21 1.Find someone in Brisbane (or close enough that shipping is cheap and fast, i.e. not from Europe or China or somewhere) who can get me a fully charged and 100% guaranteed to work BL-5J that doesn't cost a fortune Oct 12 09:20:22 2.Find someone in Brisbane (or close enough that shipping is cheap and fast, i.e. not from Europe or China or somewhere) who can get me a working device (another phone or a charger) that can charge a BL-5J that doesn't cost a fortune Oct 12 09:20:24 3.Get a new N900 somehow (again in a way that doesn't cost a fortune, doesn't mean waiting weeks/months for shipping from Europe and doesn't mean people on here spending their own hard-earned money to buy a phone on my behalf and then more on top of that on fast shipping to Oz plus whatever Customs decides they want me to pay in fees/taxes/etc when it does get here assuming the increased... Oct 12 09:20:25 ...regulations on shipping of Li-Ion batteries dont get in the way) and then maybe using the fully charged battery from the new one to see if my USB port on the old one works or not Oct 12 09:20:27 or 4.Buying some other device (either from a local phone shop or from a suitable online retailer) and moving to an OS and platform that isn't stuck using cryptography that's more than 10 years old the access the web... Oct 12 09:25:23 wish you luck upgrading any droid that vendor isnt supporting longterm Oct 12 09:32:22 If I did go to Android I would go for one that has a 100% unlocked firmware and can be totally reflashed with whatever I want, that has a vibrant dev community over on xda-developers or similar and has solid support from one of the alternative ROM options out there. Oct 12 09:32:59 And I would not buy it from any carrier-run store, I would go for a generic non-carrier version to avoid any extra bloatware or locks the carrier may have wanted Oct 12 09:33:23 Buying something generic also may cost less than the outright no-contact, phone-is-mine-forever price the carrier options would want me to pay. Oct 12 09:33:52 i often go for used ones, because i dont need current fluff Oct 12 09:34:21 and after a week or two they usually stop being used for anything else than phone/im/camera Oct 12 09:53:27 I used my N900 a lot for web browsing and such Oct 12 09:56:57 I dont plan to use my current temp phone for anything beyond calls and SMS and clock/time for the most part because I dont want to have to figure out all the crap Alcatel and Vodafone did to the UI, because I dont want to give anyone who might have access to whatever my phone is doing anything remotely private or sensitive and because I dont want to have to set up accounts and other crap. Oct 12 09:57:12 Or give the thing any kind of access to my existing Google accounts Oct 12 10:03:00 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 121M Dec 30 2012 plasma_theme_Amarok-Mockup.data Oct 12 10:03:00 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 33M Dec 30 2012 plasma_theme_Amarok-Mockup.index Oct 12 10:03:02 what? Oct 12 10:24:10 KotCzarny: pong? Oct 12 10:24:51 swb: spam alert on wiki Oct 12 10:24:55 oh spam on wmo, I'll check been afk for a few days Oct 12 10:25:02 kk Oct 12 10:25:06 I normally zap it daily Oct 12 13:33:48 CatButts: palm works on n900 Oct 12 13:40:13 via the emu, I assume Oct 12 14:02:11 CatButts: yes Oct 13 01:10:15 HOLY CRAP Oct 13 01:10:39 I found yet another BL-5J in my drawer and just managed to boot RescueOS on my device Oct 13 01:10:43 So my N900 is NOT dead Oct 13 01:10:46 and the USB is NOT broken Oct 13 01:12:05 I have now started rescueos charging script and intend to leave it alone until it says this particular BL-5J is 100% full Oct 13 01:19:35 Spoke too soon, the phone just died and wont boot rescueOS now Oct 13 01:19:52 I suspect all 3 batteries I have are too flat to succesfully boot rescueos and what just happened was a weird fluke Oct 13 01:23:03 That or the USB port is extremely flaky and only makes contact intermittently Oct 13 01:23:25 and it made just enough contact to boot RescueOS before stopping contact and causing RescueOS to due due to battery being low and unable to charge Oct 13 01:24:29 Still, its a sign my N900 is not dead Oct 13 01:25:28 and may well work if I can get a fully charged battery (and if need be, a repaired non-flaky USB port somehow) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 13 03:00:02 2017