**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 14 03:00:01 2017 Oct 14 07:42:13 has anyone managed to boot latest kali? Oct 14 09:02:19 or any latest distro for that matter Oct 14 09:03:33 *latest version of distro I mean Oct 14 09:05:48 heard nothing recently Oct 14 09:06:07 except maemo devuan Oct 14 09:24:46 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Oct 14 09:33:29 ~ping Oct 14 09:33:29 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss Oct 14 09:34:01 \o Oct 14 11:42:23 I have just bought a "unviersal Li-Ion charger" and according to the LCD display on the thing, one of my 3 N900 batteries is currently charging. YAY. Oct 14 11:42:56 nice, those are useful Oct 14 11:44:19 Yeah with any luck it will fill my battery up to the point that it has enough juice that nolo will allow flasher to see the phone and I can do some fixing... Oct 14 11:44:47 but the usb port is still fubar right? Oct 14 11:44:50 did you open it up to look? Oct 14 11:44:51 I dont think it is Oct 14 11:44:56 It might not be Oct 14 11:45:05 I wont know until Oct 14 11:45:11 until I actually try it Oct 14 11:45:58 The fact that when I have it plugged into USB and then put in the battery I get a very dim NOKIA logo that has a USB icon for about 2s that then vanishes suggests the port isn't as broken as I thought Oct 14 11:47:34 better fix it in place while you can :) Oct 14 11:58:51 i hope i was right about your batteries to be flat Oct 14 11:58:52 ;) Oct 14 12:05:28 jonwil: woooooooot Oct 14 12:05:33 :) Oct 14 12:05:48 Ok Flasher can see the phone now. YAY. Oct 14 12:05:52 \o/ Oct 14 12:05:59 cake and alcohol all round Oct 14 12:06:30 jonwil: hehe, remember you were saying that all your batts are fine? Oct 14 12:06:38 tried 3! Oct 14 12:06:39 ;) Oct 14 12:09:46 RescueOS is open Oct 14 12:12:30 And I am now going to run chargebat script in rescueos and let the actual N900 hardware charge my battery until it wants to stop Oct 14 12:14:53 mean time lets use that external charger on another battery Oct 14 12:16:39 * Wizzup eyes his hildon-desktop powered allwinner tablet Oct 14 12:25:52 Wizzup: model? Oct 14 12:26:05 some inet thing, Oct 14 12:26:09 http://www.plaisio.gr/tablet/tablets/tablets-all/Turbo-X-Twister-16GB-Mauro-Tablet-7-WiFi.htm Oct 14 12:26:16 br Oct 14 12:26:17 b Oct 14 12:31:59 sixwheeledbeast: hi, do you remember the name we choose for the new maemo release last time we discussed it? Oct 14 12:33:07 miko? Oct 14 12:33:19 miho Oct 14 12:33:23 KotCzarny: no, I think it was Kona Oct 14 12:33:28 but I am not sure Oct 14 12:33:29 ah, right Oct 14 12:33:33 remembered 4 letters Oct 14 12:33:37 just didnt know which Oct 14 12:34:57 you sure dont want willie-willie ? Oct 14 12:35:34 yes, sure :D Oct 14 12:39:33 Oroshi will be it Oct 14 12:39:43 any objections? Oct 14 12:40:08 missed letters? Oct 14 12:40:27 hmm? Oct 14 12:40:37 ah Oct 14 12:40:56 well, it is not needed to be in sequental order Oct 14 12:41:20 example scirocco diablo fremantle harmattan Oct 14 12:45:57 ok, no objections accepted from now on - https://github.com/maemo-oroshi Oct 14 12:46:33 no name with uan at the end? Oct 14 12:46:53 no Oct 14 12:47:07 Tehuantepecer Oct 14 12:47:08 ;) Oct 14 12:47:16 wtf is that? Oct 14 12:52:40 A violent squally wind from north or north-northeast in the Gulf of Tehuantepec (south of southern Mexico) in winter. It originates in the Gulf of Mexico as a norther which crosses the isthmus and blows through the gap between the Mexican and Guatamalan mountains. It may be felt up to 100 miles out to sea. See also PAPAGAYO Oct 14 12:55:16 Wizzup: like what? Oct 14 12:55:27 one sec. Oct 14 12:56:56 KotCzarny: I am not sure I will be able to pronounce it. sounds more like Eyjafjallajökull Oct 14 12:57:01 well, just, something not japanese Oct 14 12:57:01 :D Oct 14 12:57:06 let me ask a few people from finland Oct 14 12:57:11 ok Oct 14 12:57:24 why Finland? Oct 14 12:57:37 nokia? Oct 14 12:57:51 ok Oct 14 12:57:53 I mean Oct 14 12:58:00 I don't want to dictate anything, just asking Oct 14 12:58:05 I don't care much, just preference for not japanese Oct 14 12:58:19 I am fine either ways, as soon as it sounds tasty :D Oct 14 12:58:58 oroshi sounded like a kind of sushi, thus I liked it ;) Oct 14 13:01:32 lol Oct 14 13:01:58 we could go the openwrt name, find an alcoholic drink Oct 14 13:02:11 s/name/way/ Oct 14 13:02:11 Wizzup meant: we could go the openwrt way, find an alcoholic drink Oct 14 13:03:31 laiva ? Oct 14 13:04:23 what is that? Oct 14 13:04:27 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/laiva Oct 14 13:05:08 this is not a wind Oct 14 13:05:34 what about Lodos or Leste Oct 14 13:05:45 no, but it fits in the 'burning ship' Oct 14 13:05:46 meme Oct 14 13:05:53 The Oroshi wind which causes unpredictable damage Oct 14 13:06:01 Maf\u016b (\u9b54\u98a8 lit., devilish wind, 1853) Oct 14 13:06:22 ok.. how about... Oct 14 13:06:28 KotCzarny: pidgin cannot read what you wrote :) Oct 14 13:07:05 Wizzup: lets continue that tradition using wind names Oct 14 13:07:11 tazmania Oct 14 13:07:45 isn;t that island? Oct 14 13:07:58 Wizzup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_local_winds Oct 14 13:08:05 choose a one from here Oct 14 13:08:17 freemangordon_: from the tazmanian devil :) Oct 14 13:08:30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroshi Oct 14 13:08:31 yes, yes Oct 14 13:08:43 KotCzarny: Wizzup doesn't like japanese Oct 14 13:08:59 ok, what about Leste Oct 14 13:09:18 Wreckhouse ? ;p Oct 14 13:10:09 or Solano. This is sunglasses as well, but Oct 14 13:10:17 bayamo Oct 14 13:10:43 too "latino" Oct 14 13:10:44 maemo bayamo sounds crap though Oct 14 13:10:48 yeah Oct 14 13:10:53 lmao Oct 14 13:11:14 hmm, Leste likes me more and more Oct 14 13:11:21 oops Oct 14 13:11:24 lodos? Oct 14 13:11:31 15:10 < parazyd> maemo bayamo sounds crap though Oct 14 13:11:33 hahahaha Oct 14 13:11:56 i was thinking about Lodos as well, but I think Maemo Leste sounds better Oct 14 13:12:08 fine with either. Oct 14 13:12:20 and this will match with jessie? Oct 14 13:12:28 yes Oct 14 13:12:38 oh, wait Oct 14 13:12:39 maybe elephanta next :) Oct 14 13:12:53 no, no, this will match whatever we call release Oct 14 13:12:59 hmm Oct 14 13:13:04 I think we'll want to rebase to ascii first Oct 14 13:13:22 before calling it a day Oct 14 13:13:22 i'm liking 'leste' too Oct 14 13:13:34 parazyd: ^^^ Oct 14 13:13:40 so, maemo-leste ? Oct 14 13:13:47 mhm Oct 14 13:13:49 done Oct 14 13:13:52 there's Maestro as well - which seems nicely related to maemo Oct 14 13:14:11 https://github.com/maemo-leste Oct 14 13:14:21 but, is debit cards brand :) Oct 14 13:14:43 ah yes :) Oct 14 13:14:54 ok, great, everybody's happy Oct 14 13:15:27 leste? lol Oct 14 13:15:31 maemo-les Oct 14 13:15:36 almost everybodt Oct 14 13:15:37 :P Oct 14 13:15:40 now for girls! Oct 14 13:15:41 let's go Oct 14 13:15:49 KotCzarny: that's why I went for kawai initially Oct 14 13:15:49 lol Oct 14 13:15:53 (with one i) Oct 14 13:27:14 i liked kona because it was short to write Oct 14 13:27:14 ;) Oct 14 13:36:42 my second fav was bayamo Oct 14 13:36:49 maemo-bayamo just sounds amazing Oct 14 13:36:55 hehe Oct 14 13:37:04 bay amore mio ? Oct 14 13:55:51 Wizzup: lmao @ bayamo Oct 14 13:56:08 myrsky, if u prefer finnish Oct 14 13:56:35 not the name of wind perse, but means storm Oct 14 13:58:29 so its los angeles angels? ;) Oct 14 13:58:40 wiatr, burza, huragan Oct 14 13:58:49 local wind related names Oct 14 13:58:52 halny Oct 14 13:59:03 orkan Oct 14 13:59:04 we ... already picked a name and made a github orga Oct 14 14:04:42 so it'll be bayamo? Oct 14 14:04:54 https://github.com/maemo-leste Oct 14 14:06:29 Vajb: :D Oct 14 14:06:34 no, it's not bayamo Oct 14 14:06:36 laughing irl Oct 14 14:07:00 lesbyamo Oct 14 14:54:06 ~ping Oct 14 14:54:07 ~pong Oct 14 14:54:48 ~ping Oct 14 14:54:49 ~pong Oct 14 15:35:47 bayamaemo would have been cool name Oct 14 15:36:06 bajamaja is kind of toilet they use at the festival =) Oct 14 15:37:01 btw purism made its fiance mark and announced to be delivering devices at 2019 Oct 14 15:37:28 will be interesting device for Maemo Oct 14 15:37:41 if they keep the opennes they claim Oct 14 18:14:50 They claim what? Oct 14 18:15:19 their Librem13 can't even get schematics Oct 14 18:16:01 so how are they really more open than any (unlocked) android phone? Oct 14 18:17:22 DocScrutinizer05: on their web site they claim that basically any os can be run on their device Oct 14 18:17:35 so? See above Oct 14 18:18:05 I think N900 is more open Oct 14 18:18:24 beats my current knowledge to be honest Oct 14 18:18:34 im a victim of marketing :) Oct 14 18:19:10 but i think they claim their modem and cpu to be separate Oct 14 18:21:51 the droid4 has that too Oct 14 18:22:02 Vajb: what about GPU drivers? Oct 14 18:22:17 vivante Oct 14 18:22:23 FOSS? Oct 14 18:22:27 etnaviv driver Oct 14 18:23:08 Vajb: yes they claim that but you couln't really check thanks to lack of any schematics Oct 14 18:23:17 freemangordon_: no idea, can't recall anything about that Oct 14 18:23:23 Wizzup: but that's REed, right? Oct 14 18:23:26 I don't doubt the modem is separate but... Oct 14 18:24:14 yes Oct 14 18:24:15 well let them make first devices and then we dig deep to see what they are about? Oct 14 18:24:17 e.g. yesterday I tried helping them with battery charging issues in coreboot - they couldn't even tell me which chip is doing the battery management Oct 14 18:24:22 they are going to to use i.mx afaik Oct 14 18:24:28 they do RE of ACPI Oct 14 18:25:16 the i.MX8 SoC they plan to use *might* eventually get public docs... or not. Up to NXP Oct 14 18:25:23 DocScrutinizer05: wait, what? they don;t know BM chip? Oct 14 18:25:40 obviously not Oct 14 18:25:56 could it be they just use some reference chinese board? Oct 14 18:26:23 Intel Reference design covered with NDA Oct 14 18:26:34 ah Oct 14 18:26:57 anyway, /me is back to REing connui Oct 14 18:30:03 so for Librem13 at least, the only "open" think is the FOSS stuff they upstream. And when that's broken or orphaned, we are with librem13 exactly where we are with any other usual Android hardware that got rooted or sold unlocked Oct 14 18:31:35 Sailfish anybody? "sorry, you can't reflash it, you need to send it in" Oct 14 19:01:21 well i could argue that, if they claim that any os could be run. Then it must be user flashable Oct 14 19:01:53 but we'll see Oct 14 19:02:27 and i wont be buying it. It misses one key feature. Oct 14 19:03:37 kb? Oct 14 19:03:56 xy2_: ! Oct 14 19:04:09 I'm not saying they plan to not allow flashing. I just referred to Sailfish to show how you can fsck up on a hw level and still claim you're "open" Oct 14 19:04:52 calm down doc. It'll be two years since they deliver :) Oct 14 19:05:28 hmm i think i wanted to say untill Oct 14 19:05:37 yeah, two years to nourish false expectations and fail on hw design level Oct 14 19:06:47 it is a plan! Oct 14 19:06:50 ;) Oct 14 19:07:02 they have a damn cute marketing team, that's really the most remarkable thing about it Oct 14 19:07:55 haha i love the part where they compare their product to android and ios Oct 14 19:08:39 they should add "consumer can buy it from any store" Oct 14 19:09:22 worldwide guarantee? Oct 14 19:09:29 I love¡ the part where they say >>A fully standards-based freedom-oriented system, based on Debian and many other upstream projects, has never been done before–we will be the first to seriously attempt this.<< -- simply neglecting OpenMoko, Maemom Sailfish and others Oct 14 19:10:28 exactly paper thin miss from a lie Oct 14 19:11:27 I've also heard they are very "marketing based" Oct 14 19:12:52 but the most sad thing in all this is: FSF grant RYF certification to their Librem13 et al Oct 14 19:13:37 hell, N900 is more "RYF" than Librem13 Oct 14 19:13:47 u just lost a n00b in me. Oct 14 19:14:17 google "respects your freedom" FSF certification Oct 14 19:14:44 or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom Oct 14 19:14:51 ah Oct 14 19:15:34 those hw switches seem pretty convincing Oct 14 19:16:22 LOL Oct 14 19:16:57 as I said, they have a damn good marketing team Oct 14 19:17:27 I've heard they are just GPIO Oct 14 19:17:30 on their laptops Oct 14 19:17:40 not really powering of anything Oct 14 19:18:06 things that go "click" Oct 14 19:19:10 at least header of the fsf page sounds good, but i must get some sleep Oct 14 19:19:36 nite, and c u before 2019 Oct 14 19:20:46 https://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900/2017-10-13#20317932; Oct 14 19:21:10 I dont have that personally just heard that Oct 14 19:21:21 have not seen that personally Oct 14 19:21:59 M4rtinK: no, they have a lengthy web page explaining "how smart to have but difficult to implement it is to add two DPDT switches and 4 wires" Oct 14 19:23:03 I'd be embarrassed as EE when somebody would make such a fuss about the simplest thing in electrics (not even electronics) you could think of Oct 14 19:24:11 again, badass marketing Oct 14 19:25:43 I'm kinda sorry for all the people backing them Oct 14 19:25:51 who get fooled by the marketing Oct 14 19:26:29 yeah Oct 14 19:30:52 they even almost got me Oct 14 19:31:08 it would be really nice if it was all true Oct 14 19:31:57 just yesterday I learned about the schematics issue in their librem13 which basically forbids community to contribute to e.g coreboot in a meaningful way Oct 14 19:33:16 no t nice Oct 14 19:33:26 this is about as bad as what nokia did, until noia leaked the schematics which aiui Purism never will/can do Oct 14 19:33:33 & has potential to further ruin the image of mobile Linux/FOOS effort Oct 14 19:33:46 yes :-/ Oct 14 19:34:03 also the hardware looks ugly Oct 14 19:34:10 eq. like a MacBook Oct 14 19:34:46 that's not something to object/discuss I'd think. That's really just a question of personal preferences Oct 14 19:36:32 them perpetuating to diminish/heglect all previous open linux projects is probably the worst thing they do by their campaign to FOSS Oct 14 19:37:47 too few users who notice it and perveive it as dishonest, too many who really buy that "we're the very first to ever try" Oct 14 19:40:00 yeah, that's just rude Oct 14 19:40:10 without the other projects they would not even have a chance now Oct 14 19:40:19 indeed Oct 14 21:18:24 YES YES YES, my N900 is alive! Oct 14 21:19:05 For the first time since this whole saga began, I have the scrolling dots Oct 14 21:19:52 Got the N900 to appear in Flasher and imminently flashed rootfs/Fiasco (no combined). So now unless something has gone wrong, I should be able to recover (and restore) the backupmenu backup I made earlier Oct 14 21:23:18 before I do anything though I am going to copy the backupmenu backup off the phone Oct 14 21:24:11 I am now convinced that the only way to truly kill a N900 is a hardware failure (genuinely broken USB, cellular modem failure, whatever) Oct 14 21:34:32 :-) Oct 14 21:34:36 welcome back!!! Oct 14 21:35:12 Now I am installing backupmenu whereupon I will reboot and restore my BM backups which will restore my phone to what it was before I installed CSSU Oct 14 21:35:33 Then I will carefully install CSSU-testing Oct 14 21:35:44 and figure out very carefully what packages to install on top of that Oct 14 21:36:36 I have copied the BM backups of the phone along with everything else visible in "mass storage mode" Oct 14 21:39:53 i still think uboot should check for some key before booting default config Oct 14 21:40:15 then if key is pressed to boot into rescueos or the like Oct 14 21:41:11 I never had uboot installed Oct 14 21:41:14 just nolo Oct 14 21:41:19 so that doesn't factor into it Oct 14 21:43:44 but it would be nice for unbreaking rootfs Oct 14 21:44:03 maybe even add flash image for internal reflash Oct 14 21:44:26 wouldn't that be too much for u-boot .. remember we're limited to 2MB iirc Oct 14 21:45:09 unless you repartition emmc and keep it that way Oct 14 21:45:21 or maybe detect 'restore sdcard' inserted Oct 14 21:45:29 then load things from there Oct 14 21:46:27 The good news is that I am down $70 for the temporary crap phone and $45 for the external charger. Much cheaper than the cost of any new-to-me device with the desired feature set (likely including another N900) Oct 14 21:47:19 KotCzarny: you can do that with bootmenu+uboot Oct 14 21:47:35 I think I will keep my SIM in the temp crap phone until I have finished restoring my old phone though Oct 14 21:47:44 That way I can make calls while CSSU installs etc Oct 14 21:47:53 jonwil: should look at rooting that android :-) Oct 14 21:48:09 its got a locked bootloader I believe Oct 14 21:48:09 won't nearly be as good as the N900, but will sure suck less Oct 14 21:48:13 uh oh Oct 14 21:48:20 plus there is no reason to proceed with it now that my N900 is back up Oct 14 21:49:03 jonwil: universal li-ion charger would surely be handy Oct 14 21:49:08 Yep, I do have that now Oct 14 21:49:10 and it is handy Oct 14 21:49:29 pity you didnt order it in the past from china Oct 14 21:49:44 would be few times cheaper and might be better Oct 14 21:49:50 hindsight 20/29 Oct 14 21:49:53 20/20 Oct 14 21:50:59 I have 3 batteries, one is the original (with the Nokia hologram sticker) which is sitting in the charger right now, one looks like the Nokia but without the hologram (possibly knock-off) and is sitting next to the charger waiting to be charged and the third is a 3rd party I bought from a "we sell batteries for everything" store and that's in my N900 right now Oct 14 21:51:17 I left it charging overnight on the external and when I got up the external said it was full Oct 14 21:51:17 there were original nokia batteries without holo Oct 14 21:51:55 but remember, if you are going to store batteries outside the device, discharge to ~40% Oct 14 21:52:09 why do that? Oct 14 21:52:16 What's wrong with storing charged batteries loose? Oct 14 21:52:16 li-ion thing Oct 14 21:52:38 storing empty/100% full makes them deteriorate faster Oct 14 21:54:06 also, keep them cool Oct 14 21:54:08 :) Oct 14 21:54:37 Now restoring backupmenu backup hopefully Oct 14 21:56:37 restored rootfs, now restoring optfs Oct 14 21:56:51 Although since my clock is wrong its telling me "xyz timestamp is in the future" Oct 14 22:00:24 optfs restore complete Oct 14 22:00:33 lets hope this has worked Oct 14 22:00:54 now rebooting back to hopefully what I had before I started this mess Oct 14 22:05:35 Now to install cssu-t and go from there Oct 14 22:29:07 ~jr-tools Oct 14 22:29:08 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 14 22:31:43 10:39:53 < KotCzarny> i still think uboot should check for some key before booting default config Oct 14 22:31:55 You would just have a different default config that does that. Oct 14 22:32:36 i know, i have implemented it in h3droid Oct 14 22:32:53 still too lazy to apply it onto n900 Oct 14 22:33:56 I suspect the default configuration for N900 is probably already sufficient for that. Oct 14 22:34:40 Since it goes through the partitions it can read looking for "boot.scr" or something. Oct 14 22:35:29 My boot.scr causes it to always show pali's boot menu. Oct 14 22:36:36 hence my bootmenu comment earlier ... you can boot anything, even rescueOS Oct 14 22:36:55 but i meant it to be standard feature Oct 14 22:37:25 So the N900 uboot images all have rescueOS inside them? Oct 14 22:37:46 Maxdamantus: no. Oct 14 22:37:46 and maybe fiasco images too Oct 14 22:38:14 KotCzarny: the uboot image is meant to fit inside the "kernel" flash partition. Oct 14 22:38:24 which is something like 4MB, dunno. Oct 14 22:38:37 that's why i commented that it could look for data on sdcard Oct 14 22:38:44 and if found, to trigger rescue menu Oct 14 22:38:53 Right, it already does that, except it looks for a "boot.scr", which is more powerful. Oct 14 22:39:15 because the boot.scr can just include the commands to boot anything. Oct 14 22:39:33 KotCzarny should just try it :) Oct 14 22:39:49 so we need nice prepared sdcard image that would allow reflash/rescueos when inserted Oct 14 22:39:50 :) Oct 14 22:39:53 or it can include the commands to populate and show the boot menu. Oct 14 22:40:07 s/the // Oct 14 22:40:07 Maxdamantus meant: or it can include commands to populate and show the boot menu. Oct 14 22:40:10 Note to self: NEVER run apt-get upgrade on an N900, especially if you have extras-devel or cssu-devel in your repo list Oct 14 22:40:17 lol Oct 14 22:40:24 jonwil, doing newbie flops? Oct 14 22:40:41 it's standard warning to every new n900 owner we give here Oct 14 22:41:10 Its often the "power users" who forget the basics Oct 14 22:41:24 because they think they know better and ignore or forget the "newbie" advice Oct 14 22:41:31 :) Oct 14 22:41:53 g'nite all o/ Oct 14 22:41:58 nite nite Oct 14 22:42:09 I think the main thing to do is encourage people to actually use uboot, since if you have one of the normal N900 uboot images that are floating around, you should be able to rescue your device regardless of whether your USB port works, etc Oct 14 22:42:18 (just as long as you have a charged battery) Oct 14 22:42:28 (and an SD card) Oct 14 22:42:44 Not having an SD card is part of my problem. Oct 14 22:43:26 well, discharging to 40% is a tad over the top. 80% will do just fine Oct 14 22:43:54 Anyone want to suggest what sort of memory card I should be looking for for the N900? Oct 14 22:44:10 jonwil, what are you going to store on sdcard? Oct 14 22:44:17 chroot or just media? Oct 14 22:44:17 basically just go ~0.2V below max voltage, which would be like 4.0V, to store cel, then Oct 14 22:44:36 jonwil: congrats Oct 14 22:44:37 I want one to store backups from backupmenu Oct 14 22:44:45 any SD will do Oct 14 22:44:46 and also other general stuff Oct 14 22:44:48 then any reliable one will do Oct 14 22:44:55 beware kingstones/nonames/fakes Oct 14 22:45:05 ^^^ Oct 14 22:45:16 Would any of these work? which of these should I buy https://www.jbhifi.com.au/phones/phone-storage/ Oct 14 22:45:34 Guessing either of the first 2 in the list would be fine Oct 14 22:45:42 forget EXTREME, waste of money Oct 14 22:45:46 jonwil: all of them would work. Oct 14 22:46:05 I figure the $14.95 one should be more than enough Oct 14 22:46:13 What size is internal emmc on N900 again? Oct 14 22:46:18 the more, the merrier Oct 14 22:46:18 32 GB Oct 14 22:46:26 32gb is nicer than 16 Oct 14 22:46:38 eMMC 32 Oct 14 22:46:40 * Maxdamantus has a 128 GB SD card. Oct 14 22:46:58 ~28 available Oct 14 22:48:17 * DocScrutinizer05 got himself a 128GB uSD, just because so many of his music is FLAC Oct 14 22:49:23 :) Oct 14 22:51:24 * KotCzarny likes module music Oct 14 22:51:35 Of course now I need to figure out how to get my SIM card to fit in N900 again since I had to punch it out to smaller size for the temp crap phone. Oct 14 22:51:37 tunes ranging from 1kB to few megs Oct 14 22:51:50 jonwil, put it back into cutout Oct 14 22:51:51 Although I suspect I can just use the bit I punched it out of as adapter Oct 14 22:52:17 you can use some thin tape to keep it in Oct 14 22:54:14 ok, cssu-testing now installed Oct 14 22:55:08 Now to manually install those packages that are outdated in CSSU-testing where being out of date actually makes a difference Oct 14 23:03:55 ok, I screwed up and need to restore my backupmenu backup and then reinstall CSSU again. My clock is wrong and all the file dates on my system are out of whack meaning I need get my clock set right THEN install CSSU-testing again Oct 14 23:04:32 I kept getting "timestamp in the future" errors that should have been a sign I did something wrong. Oct 14 23:05:31 maybe BM should also save some timestamp Oct 14 23:05:40 to keep things sane Oct 14 23:05:53 and set clock if device is in the past Oct 14 23:07:18 Yeah it should keep a timestamp of when the backup was made Oct 14 23:07:29 and if the backup is newer than the phone clock, set it to whatever is set in BM Oct 14 23:08:14 I do love that its a lot harder to loose your personal user data on an N900 than it is on an iPhone or Android Oct 14 23:08:30 ok, my clock is now set correctly Oct 14 23:08:45 Meaning I can restore my BM backup again and get no errors I hope Oct 14 23:09:01 Then in goes CSSU-testing Oct 14 23:39:17 I wouldn't even worry about timestamps at all Oct 14 23:39:47 orjust: man tar Oct 14 23:40:19 well my phone is up with the correct clock and BM restored with no errors Oct 14 23:40:28 So now I just need to install CSSU-testing and we are good to move forward Oct 14 23:43:13 ift did restore without errors in the first place as well, just told you *warnings* about tar restoring file mtimes that are into the future with respect to current system time Oct 14 23:44:59 no idea about apt Oct 14 23:45:09 prolly also just warnings Oct 14 23:45:27 anyway nobody really bothers what mtime your files have Oct 14 23:46:07 s/nobody/nothing/ Oct 14 23:46:07 DocScrutinizer05 meant: anyway nothing really bothers what mtime your files have Oct 14 23:47:16 except for incremental backups that are not supported by any known backup method (except rsync) on maemo Oct 14 23:52:58 Now installing cssu-enabler Oct 14 23:58:49 I hope you fixed the repos beforehand, seems I recal cssu-installer might blow chunks otherwise Oct 15 00:00:08 aah wait, BM restore, so prolly a moot point Oct 15 00:00:43 thought you did system flashing Oct 15 00:03:37 What I did in order was:1.Flashed stock Fiasco. 2.Installed BM. 3.Restored my backup with incorrect clock. 4.Installed CSSU-T with incorrect clock. 4.Re-installed my BM backup with correct clock and now I am re-installing CSSU-T Oct 15 00:03:49 which will give me what I want :) Oct 15 00:04:25 Once I get CSSU- Oct 15 00:04:36 cssu-t installed I will be good to go I hope Oct 15 00:05:49 I think I will manually download any deb files from cssu-devel and install them with dpkg, that way I never worry about packages from that repo I dont want Oct 15 00:06:04 and dont risk getting whatever it was before that lead to the bootloop Oct 15 00:06:28 which Oct 15 00:07:13 which was probably related to thumb stuff Oct 15 00:16:04 aha, its clock-ui that's the one to avoid Oct 15 00:21:24 It seems like clock-ui (the version in cssu-devel and the version in cssu Git) builds as thumb even on the non-thumb master branch. Not good. Oct 15 00:21:46 jonwil: >>download any deb files from cssu-devel and install them with dpkg<< sounds like an excellent plan to me Oct 15 00:22:36 ouch @ thumb build Oct 15 00:23:16 I suspect somehow that caused something to screw up re kernel or modules or both and that caused the problems with kernel modules unable to load and then boot issues Oct 15 00:23:46 wird story but you know... computers ;-D Oct 15 00:24:08 I am going to talk to fmg about that clock-ui thumb problems :) Oct 15 00:24:20 yeah, please do Oct 15 00:24:21 its his fault anyway, he made the relavent commits :P Oct 15 00:24:48 cssu-testing clock-ui (whatever version that is) seems not to be affected I dont think Oct 15 00:25:14 otherwise a lot more people would have issues Oct 15 00:25:46 about cssu-devel actually you shouldn't *want* any of the packages from there. Packages are broken by definition as long as they are in cssu-devel Oct 15 00:26:17 I will be installing very select packages that are newer than cssu-testing based on things I know I want and know are safe enough to install Oct 15 00:26:27 e.g. I need newer maemo-security-certman Oct 15 00:26:32 and I need newer connui-home-cellular Oct 15 00:27:00 well, be prepared to help debug those then Oct 15 00:27:33 as soon as they are considered bug-free they should not stay in cssu-devel Oct 15 00:27:51 The problem is we have no-one to update cssu-testing Oct 15 00:28:20 that's a problem in deed if it's true. what's with merlin1991? Oct 15 00:28:27 So there are a lot of newer versions that should be in cssu-testing but aren't Oct 15 00:28:38 And there are versions in git that should be in cssu-devel (or even cssu-testing) Oct 15 00:29:22 Quite a few of the packages I am going to install on top of CSSU-testing are packages I was running on my phone before I started down the whole CSSU journey Oct 15 00:29:26 so I know they are safe enough Oct 15 00:29:37 Some I will need to read changelogs of and make a decision there Oct 15 00:30:18 Anything I am not sure about wont get installed. Oct 15 00:33:32 just make sure you make BM backups to roll back Oct 15 00:38:16 Yeah Oct 15 00:46:11 Ok cssu-t is installed, now to do a BM backup and start installing more Oct 15 02:55:32 ok, installed everything I want, now making one more BM backup before I call it done, reboot into Maemo, plug it into the charger and then leave it alone until its full again Oct 15 02:56:46 I didn't install anything that looked risky such as things having to do with bootup or modules Oct 15 02:56:53 to avoid any chance of a repeat of last time **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 15 03:00:00 2017