**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 18 03:00:01 2017 Oct 18 03:14:22 Time to try some good old fashioned printf (or in this case fprintf to a log file) debugging to see whats going on with connui-statusbar-cellular :) Oct 18 03:30:39 * jonwil slaps face Oct 18 03:31:44 Helps if I actually make connui-cellular-status-item link to libconnui_cellular Oct 18 03:31:56 That would be why its crashing hildon-status-menu :P Oct 18 03:41:46 (( Looks like we have another person who doesn't heed the warnings)) who? Oct 18 03:42:04 Someone posted on tmp Oct 18 03:42:06 tmo Oct 18 03:42:13 *sugh* Oct 18 03:42:18 i* Oct 18 03:43:21 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if the U/I/O typos are cause of keycap printing coming off Oct 18 03:46:05 I probably should connect that M5500 keyboard and count the keystrokes per day, to estimate how many this shitty cheap kbd suffered in 9 months before it's basically worn out Oct 18 03:46:31 (or I write an app for counting ;-D ) Oct 18 03:47:14 might as well go into my kbd macro driver, as a feature Oct 18 04:42:13 maybe cssu-devel should require a password? Oct 18 04:42:47 make it known one but specific enough, for example: yes-i-know-what-im-doing-an-will-never-indisciminately-install-packages-from-there Oct 18 05:03:38 inlike using package-named category, a password won't fly since apt has no support for such stuff Oct 18 05:05:10 and then you bet isers will ignore any such passowrd-bound warnign once they registered, just like they forget about the warnings on wiki.maemo.org and everywhere Oct 18 05:06:35 warnings are totally pointless since you don't even really see which repo a package is from, in HAM Oct 18 05:06:44 neither in apt Oct 18 05:07:28 besides that you have to explicitly enable cssu-develrepo Oct 18 05:07:30 actually I find it quite difficult to find out even when I *want* to know which repo was pkg origin Oct 18 05:08:09 freemangordon: yes, like any other repo, and obviously users do enable *all* repos they can get hold of Oct 18 05:08:31 https://debian-administration.org/article/513/Restrict_Access_To_Your_Private_Debian_Repository Oct 18 05:08:51 so, the question is how to stop people making faults, right? Oct 18 05:08:51 KotCzarny: pointless Oct 18 05:09:18 fmg, by educating the willing and slapping the unwilling Oct 18 05:10:04 KotCzarny: feel free to propose a patch for HAM Oct 18 05:10:12 ohmy Oct 18 05:10:46 "please install this HAM to get a warning when you try to install something you shouldn't" Oct 18 05:10:50 ;-P Oct 18 05:11:01 HAM is part of cssu Oct 18 05:11:13 actually that might work Oct 18 05:12:35 interestingly, it could even support ssh-key based auth (apt) Oct 18 05:12:40 I can SEE IT as if right before my eyes how this will work excellent Oct 18 05:12:48 X-P Oct 18 05:13:19 alternative: drop cssu-devel Oct 18 05:13:22 yup Oct 18 05:13:44 it actually never made real sense Oct 18 05:13:44 or keep it private Oct 18 05:13:57 people who would need it, would know enough how to enable it Oct 18 05:14:04 password-enabled or otherwise Oct 18 05:14:56 but to "fix" it, make category different for each package, so it doesn't pollute HAM "install" and apt-cache search with _all_ packages in that repo Oct 18 05:14:56 KotCzarny: what is desktop OS you're using? Oct 18 05:15:04 umm how could i run .sh script which needs to be root? I mean via alarmed? Oct 18 05:15:12 sudo Oct 18 05:15:15 fmg, slackware, debian, win7 Oct 18 05:15:31 or is there a better way to sync files over wlan automagically? Oct 18 05:15:41 vajb: rsync Oct 18 05:16:21 and which of them asks you "are you sure?" everytime you want to do something its creators think is unusual? Oct 18 05:16:29 cronjob? Oct 18 05:16:33 ~hrtools Oct 18 05:16:34 we have onedrive from school and i guess maemo is not supported, but i'd like to have files on my phone nevertheless Oct 18 05:16:37 ~jrtools Oct 18 05:16:38 hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 18 05:17:22 fmg: hdparm, for example Oct 18 05:17:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#backup Oct 18 05:17:41 qrsync or just rsync? Or they depend of each other? Oct 18 05:17:51 qrsync is probably qt ui one Oct 18 05:18:01 to do things automatically you should prefer cmdline tools Oct 18 05:18:18 KotCzarny: no, I was asking about OS, not a specific application Oct 18 05:18:25 Looks like I got another package in cssu-devel that doesn't work properly, maemo-launcher. Oct 18 05:18:27 yes id like it to sync over night while i sleep :) Oct 18 05:18:33 Stock works, the one in cssu-devel does not Oct 18 05:18:40 package updater is one of system applications Oct 18 05:18:42 the package isn't in cssu-testing or cssu-stable Oct 18 05:18:51 jonor, it is as simple as you have proken SB installation Oct 18 05:18:57 ops Oct 18 05:19:01 jonwil: ^^^ Oct 18 05:19:57 hmm how come apt finds rsync, but ham does not? Oct 18 05:20:03 also, even simple apt-get install asks about confirmation Oct 18 05:20:16 Vajb: because it's a cmdline tool Oct 18 05:20:18 is it such deep system level tool that it needs to be hidden from user? Oct 18 05:20:19 because rsync isnt user app Oct 18 05:20:31 jonwil: that applet works with no problem on my "production" device since you pushed the code on github Oct 18 05:20:34 oh ok Oct 18 05:20:37 KotCzarny: as HAM does Oct 18 05:21:02 Now that I solved my problem with maemo-launcher, I can resume testing connu-statusbar-internet :) Oct 18 05:21:08 KotCzarny: also, you have you warnings when you enable additional repos Oct 18 05:21:08 I mean connui-statusbar-cellular Oct 18 05:21:42 jonwil: what was the problem with maemo-launcher? Oct 18 05:22:09 syslog just says "maemo-invoker[1024]: died connecting to the launcher" for all programs using maemo-invoker/maemo-launcher Oct 18 05:22:24 no indication that maemo-launcher actually started Oct 18 05:22:29 Restoring the stock version made it start again Oct 18 05:22:40 do i need some rsync client for my pc as well? Any recommendable one for win7? Oct 18 05:23:02 and at this point whatever changes are in CSSU maemo-launcher aren't worth the effort to try and fix Oct 18 05:23:05 jonwil: I still not get it why you need maemo-invoker/maemo-summoner to test a SEGFAULT/SIGABORT in hildon-status-menu Oct 18 05:23:16 its not a segfault Oct 18 05:23:32 but? Oct 18 05:23:50 vajb: win7 will be server or client? Oct 18 05:24:11 In my case what happened is that it called some function in libconnui-cell.so but at that point libcunni-cell.so wasn't loaded into hildon-status-menu so it went off into space Oct 18 05:24:18 server Oct 18 05:24:33 then it might be a bit complicated Oct 18 05:24:59 i do all my tasks on it and wanna get copies to n900 Oct 18 05:24:59 jonwil: doesn;t make sense to me, applets are loaded with dload, no? Oct 18 05:25:10 I dont know Oct 18 05:25:19 I just know it failed and I am about to test the fix Oct 18 05:25:26 where its now linking to libconnui-cell properly Oct 18 05:25:48 hmm technically i can use my devuan pc as well, but then i would need onedrive for devuan first Oct 18 05:25:51 vajb, i was using that one in the past: https://itefix.net/cwrsync Oct 18 05:26:28 Ok stopped hildon-status-menu with dsmectl so it wont bootloop if its still crashing Oct 18 05:26:39 now I installed new connui-statusbar-cellular package Oct 18 05:26:39 Vajb: and why don't you use rsync (client) on win7 and "server" on N900? Oct 18 05:26:41 but you would have to run it in client mode (doesnt matter much for data though, just setup of the scripts) Oct 18 05:27:09 you dont even need specific server, just having sshd+rsync available on target machine Oct 18 05:27:27 exactly Oct 18 05:27:36 which is a goven on N900 Oct 18 05:27:42 given* Oct 18 05:28:09 oh i thought it should be otherway around since new files appear on laptop Oct 18 05:28:11 rsync is greatly configurable, which might be putting off at first, but then you will love it Oct 18 05:28:19 it can sync BOTH ways Oct 18 05:28:30 doesnt matter where is the server and client Oct 18 05:28:49 i have putty and winscp on win. R they enough? Oct 18 05:29:24 winscp sounds like it might work too Oct 18 05:30:02 just not as versatile as rsync Oct 18 05:32:56 ok Oct 18 05:33:16 by any chance, do you have cygwin installed on that windoze? Oct 18 05:38:27 freemangordon: All I know is that when I got it into gdb, I stepped into the "call connui_cell_sim_status_register" instruction (first function from libconnui-cellular that it tried to call) and wandered off to who knows where. Then I saw it wasn't linked to libconnui_cell.so.0 when it should be. Oct 18 05:38:37 Now its linked to that library and I can carefully test it Oct 18 05:38:41 KotCzarny: no, do i need it too? Oct 18 05:39:20 vajb, nah Oct 18 05:40:02 it works :) Oct 18 05:40:09 Now I get to push it to cssu-devel since it works Oct 18 05:44:46 vajb, anyway, rsync is great, but can cut like a knife if you play with it wrong Oct 18 05:45:21 so far i can't figure how to use it in win Oct 18 05:45:38 it just says the "command recogniced etc" Oct 18 05:46:15 full path? Oct 18 05:46:20 cd first? Oct 18 05:47:00 and always add -n (it will make it try to do, but dont do any file changes actually) Oct 18 05:47:06 even if im in the folder Oct 18 05:47:08 best for initial testings Oct 18 05:47:16 dir ? Oct 18 05:47:46 it says "all you need to do is update cwrsync.cmd and you should be able..." Oct 18 05:48:05 i click the file and nothing happens Oct 18 05:48:24 i try to run it on cmd promt and it whines "not recogniced..." Oct 18 05:48:34 dir ? Oct 18 05:49:39 hey it flies now Oct 18 05:49:46 lets see Oct 18 05:50:36 again, dont forget -n before you are ready and sure it will do what you expect Oct 18 05:52:20 ok, connui-statusbar-cellular is done and can go into CSSU-devel Oct 18 05:56:22 ok Oct 18 05:58:35 Now to figure out what to clone next Oct 18 05:59:39 But before I do anything, my battery is drained from all the rescueos work to get maemo-launcher fixed so I gotta charge that up and not otherwise touch my N900 :) Oct 18 06:00:30 jonwil: connui Oct 18 06:01:06 I have don some work already, can put it on github and share the db Oct 18 06:01:10 jonwil: swap battery and charge externally? Oct 18 06:01:21 I dont need to use my N900 in any case Oct 18 06:01:33 I have other stuff to do Oct 18 06:02:02 freemangordon: Do you mean libconnui? Oct 18 06:02:06 yes Oct 18 06:02:53 Yeah share what you have and I may have a look. Oct 18 06:02:57 ok Oct 18 06:07:00 Or I might look into the gconf keys, dbus things and etc used for the wlan subsystem (since there is an idea to replace the wlan system with something based on wpa_supplicant) Oct 18 06:07:26 The good news is that I now have a dead simple way to start wlan from rescueos and easily move files off and on the device should I need to :) Oct 18 06:07:54 and can easily install any .deb file I need to as well Oct 18 06:08:40 jonwil: https://github.com/community-ssu/connui Oct 18 06:11:56 jonwil: well, I'd really appreciate some help with connui and friends, there are about 500k of satellite libs Oct 18 06:13:13 jonwil: right now I am on ConnuiCellRendererOperator, so choose something else if you decide to help Oct 18 06:13:20 Ok. Oct 18 06:13:56 Have you completly finished all 3 .c files you have in there? Oct 18 06:14:06 goes well. From pc "source and destination can't be both remote" nd from n900 "connection timed out" Oct 18 06:14:17 jonwil: almost Oct 18 06:14:35 there is one or two more functions Oct 18 06:15:07 vajb: firewall? Oct 18 06:15:33 also, 'from n900' means it's started from n900? Oct 18 06:15:34 jonwil: connui_scan_box_view_update_child is pending, but leave it to me Oct 18 06:15:42 i have working ssh connection from win scp Oct 18 06:15:55 yes KotCzarny Oct 18 06:16:06 * freemangordon is going to work, bbl Oct 18 06:16:39 then run it from pc, rsync will connect with ssh to n900 Oct 18 06:17:05 Ok. Oct 18 06:17:34 but how come it whines that both cant be remote? Oct 18 06:18:06 i used rsync -a -n user@ip:/folder c:/folder Oct 18 06:18:12 at pc Oct 18 06:20:08 maybe you need different syntax Oct 18 06:20:37 not c:/folder but /cygdrive/c/folder Oct 18 06:21:09 remember, it's *nix tool, running with emulation layer, not windoze one Oct 18 06:22:13 oh right it was told in the help file but i didn't understand... Oct 18 06:24:21 also, watch out for file owners/permissions, windoze keeps those in a weird way. fixable, but can bite you Oct 18 06:25:18 that's why it's best to test it on unimportant data first Oct 18 06:33:09 failed to sync ssh Oct 18 06:33:28 ok i've had enough i have more urgent tasks Oct 18 06:33:36 thx for trying KotCzarny Oct 18 06:33:57 np :) Oct 18 07:16:26 KotCzarny: solution found. I use Dsync to sync onedrive to local file and then winscp to sync that file manually :) Oct 18 07:16:47 so it's a single file? Oct 18 07:17:04 no it is cloud server containing all my school work Oct 18 07:17:12 Vajb: you can also rsync/unison between windows and phone, if needed Oct 18 07:17:29 bencoh: read from up how i failed Oct 18 07:17:36 hmm Oct 18 07:17:54 if you're referring to the connection timed out, I fail to see why scp would work but not rsync Oct 18 07:17:58 but ... alright Oct 18 07:18:22 ah, "both cannot be remote" Oct 18 07:18:35 bencoh, nope, not that one Oct 18 07:18:43 actually it narroved to "ssh not found" Oct 18 07:18:51 :] Oct 18 07:18:55 no not ssh Oct 18 07:18:56 vajb: cwrsync comes with ssh.exe included Oct 18 07:19:30 you probably didnt edit the .cmd correctly Oct 18 07:19:31 :) Oct 18 07:19:48 probably :/ Oct 18 07:20:14 i'll give it a go when i got tired to run winscp by hand Oct 18 07:20:43 might be that problem was that onedrive pretends to be folder but actually it is cloddrive Oct 18 07:20:47 cloud* Oct 18 07:21:13 try with local files first Oct 18 07:21:36 hmm actually tried that too Oct 18 07:21:46 now that u mentioned Oct 18 07:22:05 but since it has trouble finding ssh.exe i suspect you have missed some path variable **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 18 07:36:32 2017 Oct 18 08:30:13 hey guys Oct 18 08:30:17 why am I getting this? Oct 18 08:30:23 from TMO: "Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist." Oct 18 08:30:30 I see the cssu-devel thing a none issue, passwords or hidden repos defeat the point of it. People need to understand you don't just have all the repos and enable them. I have not read the thread so maybe it's a question not a complaint. It would be good to get back to devel/testing/stable QA Oct 18 08:30:45 ~unbanip Oct 18 08:30:45 somebody said unbanip was please contact techstaff maemo org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it Oct 18 08:32:01 chem|st: ping Oct 18 08:32:06 thank you sixwheeledbeast Oct 18 08:32:39 have you checked your IP on the site above? Oct 18 08:34:38 yes Oct 18 08:34:51 says: your public IP address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is in our database Oct 18 08:41:46 not sure why though Oct 18 08:44:41 I'm behind a corporate proxy, so dunno why anyone would wanna mark the company as a spammer Oct 18 14:42:20 i opened nokia barrel to micro-usb adapter. Multimeter is too big to fit in to connector, but there r 4 wires connected to the board. One is red the other is shiny black and then there r white and matte black cable in same slot. Oct 18 14:42:54 i will try to peel connector open to measure which ones they r Oct 18 14:43:58 dont forget to make photos/tmo thread Oct 18 14:44:45 i would, but i don't have imgur plugin to upload photos ;/ Oct 18 14:45:14 at least take the photos Oct 18 14:45:35 no blood tho Oct 18 14:50:49 think i'll use hack-saw to cut connector to half Oct 18 14:52:08 dont break the wires Oct 18 14:55:02 https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2205031.html Oct 18 14:55:09 translatable with google translate Oct 18 14:56:08 seems it's quite sophisticated little dongle Oct 18 15:05:55 yes surprising amount of circuitry. It seems that data pins r shorted Oct 18 15:12:19 someone measured that thingie, it can run from low to high voltage, giving 5V on output Oct 18 15:12:47 one could even connect 12 or 20V as input Oct 18 15:12:58 ? Oct 18 15:13:03 input to? Oct 18 15:13:13 to constant 5V on output Oct 18 15:13:43 it has major heat problems though Oct 18 15:14:10 bencoh, quite nice analysis page, throw the link into google translate Oct 18 15:19:50 yes it is same device. Data pins doesn't seem to be connected to circuit only gnd and plug body and + Oct 18 15:20:16 you can try measure the data wires on that end Oct 18 18:11:08 Seems polarcell have Li-ion and LiPo versions of the BL-5J Oct 18 18:11:32 not good, unless they have circuitry adjusting to that inside Oct 18 19:00:57 sixwheeledbeast: wait, isn;t original bl5j li-ion? Oct 18 19:02:39 yep Oct 18 19:03:05 what is the idea behind li-po then? I don;t get it. Oct 18 19:03:14 newer tech Oct 18 19:03:19 Obviously LiPo has some minor benefits but it is suitable for N900 Oct 18 19:03:21 similar to li-ion Oct 18 19:03:29 but not exactly the same Oct 18 19:03:36 LiPo has lower energy density AFAIK Oct 18 19:03:46 yes but more stable Oct 18 19:03:48 but afair longer life Oct 18 19:03:57 about 15%? Oct 18 19:04:11 anyway, I was just curious Oct 18 19:04:58 For example polarcell BL-5J is 1400mAh Li-Po, whereas 1500mAh Li-ion Oct 18 19:06:42 i have the C.H.I.P ($9 board like RPi), and it supports charging Li-Po batteries. could i use Li-on? Oct 18 19:07:12 you have chip? you can probably try fmg's hildon-desktop and the rest Oct 18 19:07:13 :) Oct 18 19:07:13 oh, I didn't know the polarcell was li-po Oct 18 19:08:15 KotCzarny: yes that's a good idea. i have two of them actually :) Oct 18 19:09:25 i don't have the LiPo battery, and it doesn't look like i can source them. but i got two from dead gps units, but they are Li-ion Oct 18 19:12:39 i don't want to risk an explosion, but if it's relatively safe to use them, that would be most helpful! Oct 18 19:15:04 Vajb: you can stop slaughtering that adapter, I did that 4 years ago Oct 18 19:15:35 polarcell is lipo ?! Oct 18 19:15:39 the data pins ARE shorted Oct 18 19:16:19 and it has a buck converter Oct 18 19:16:31 to reduce input voltage to 5V Oct 18 19:16:56 doc, it's both Oct 18 19:17:02 buck and boost Oct 18 19:43:46 DocScrutinizer05: can i use a Li-ion battery on a device designed for a Li-Po battery? (same voltage, 3.7V) Oct 18 19:44:10 yes Oct 18 19:44:49 KotCzarny: not to my knowledge, it stops charging at all with 4V input voltaga Oct 18 19:44:57 voltage* Oct 18 19:45:18 doc: check the page i've pasted (with google translate) Oct 18 19:45:29 if it was a boost or buck-boost it would go down lower, no? Oct 18 19:45:29 it stops charging because it overheats Oct 18 19:45:44 LOL no it didn't Oct 18 19:45:59 with 250mA at output it goes with 2.8-20V as input providing 5V at output Oct 18 19:46:10 ok Oct 18 19:46:17 I might be wrong Oct 18 19:46:24 just quoting my own tests Oct 18 19:46:34 https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2205031.html Oct 18 19:46:39 which were pretty... cursory Oct 18 19:46:42 please see the discussion Oct 18 19:47:52 well, folks modify the circuit a bit Oct 18 19:48:19 tbh I'm not too interested in that thing Oct 18 19:48:46 I heard Nokia stopped providing it since it started fires Oct 18 19:48:59 it did because of insufficient cooling Oct 18 19:49:19 anyway. sleepy time. Oct 18 19:49:25 my own tests shown it works on 5V and 4V5 of an unregulated PSU, but not on 3V Oct 18 19:49:30 i misplaced mine (that thing) Oct 18 19:49:47 6V and 4V5 Oct 18 19:50:16 prolly the output of that shitty PSU was +30% of what it wrote in the selector switch Oct 18 19:50:36 and N900 claimed "charging" but actually didn't Oct 18 19:51:01 the tests dated back in times before I had bq27k-detail script Oct 18 19:51:24 or any decent lab gear Oct 18 19:52:21 the dadashit shown in the page you linked is a mere boost converter so would expose the N900 to overvoltage on anything >6V attached to the converter input Oct 18 19:52:45 though I admit it looks exactly like the Nokia adapter Oct 18 19:54:23 excellent find Oct 18 20:47:59 bencoh: Just to clarify polarcell have both Li-ion and Li-Po available, Nokia was Li-ion. Oct 18 21:14:04 KiIon and LiPo chemistry should be basically same Oct 18 21:14:12 LiIon* Oct 18 21:14:35 N900 has LiIon, N810 has LiPo Oct 18 21:15:20 LiPo was the better LiIon a maybe 10 years ago, not anymore though Oct 18 21:16:49 while LiIon is a class of cell chemistry, LiPo is a particular detail of cell 'mechanics' Oct 18 21:17:20 technically LiPo is a LiIon I'd say Oct 18 21:17:59 actually there are several classes of LiIon Oct 18 21:19:05 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Materials Oct 18 21:25:02 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery Oct 18 21:27:45 >>The voltage of a LiPo cell depends on its chemistry and varies from about 2.7-3.0 V (discharged) to about 4.20 V (fully charged), for cells based on lithium-metal-oxides (such as LiCoO2),<< same basic cell chemistry as generic "LiIon" batteries with 3V7 nominal voltage Oct 18 21:28:34 so LiIon Polymer and the common "LiIon" 3V7 are interchangeable Oct 18 21:32:23 beware of so called LiFePo (LFP, LiFePO4) they are neither "Polymer" nor same cell chemistry or voltage Oct 18 21:35:45 to make matters worse, some manufs don't list the nominal 3V7 but the max voltage 4V2 on their batteries Oct 18 23:20:25 Only applications I have seen LiFePo batteries is as expensive SLA replacements. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 19 03:00:01 2017