**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 24 03:00:01 2017 Oct 24 04:10:21 [00:28] CatButts: I imagine you would just use a debian root for such things. Oct 24 04:10:30 like SSH-ing into a device Oct 24 04:10:32 ? Oct 24 04:10:48 sadly, I am windows user all around :P Oct 24 04:23:43 oh goody, apparently there is Qt Creator for Maemo Oct 24 04:24:10 now I can create bloated fartapps on the go! Oct 24 04:31:11 or just learn python/pygtk/pyqt and stop whining Oct 24 04:31:38 * CatButts rolls over KotCzarny on his cat butt Oct 24 04:31:57 /me moves higher and away from disturbances Oct 24 04:32:15 * CatButts farts under KotCzarny's location Oct 24 04:32:33 /me farts back stronger Oct 24 04:33:08 you're already high up, fumes will rise Oct 24 04:33:17 I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION Oct 24 04:33:29 mine just take over whole space Oct 24 04:34:00 "you think that's air you're breathing now?" Oct 24 04:34:29 you know that after cooling heavier gases drop down? Oct 24 04:42:25 I want C Oct 24 04:42:32 and I want it right meow Oct 24 04:42:42 then use gcc, what problem is that? Oct 24 04:43:43 that's the compiler bit solved Oct 24 04:43:53 solved? Oct 24 04:44:07 meow I need an IDE to spoil me Oct 24 04:44:14 what's a makefile? Oct 24 04:44:18 hahahahaha Oct 24 04:46:24 stop that! Oct 24 04:50:25 stop what Oct 24 04:53:11 17:10:30 < CatButts> like SSH-ing into a device Oct 24 04:53:49 No, just put a normal debian armel root somewhere on your system and chroot into it for things you can't do on maemo itself. Oct 24 04:55:49 Eventually people should just be running a normal system like debian/devuan/arch instead of the custom "maemo" one that everyone is currently using. Oct 24 04:56:54 When that happens, you wouldn't bother asking if something works on maemo, just as you wouldn't ask if something works on i5-4570 using integrated graphics. Oct 24 04:57:44 unless it's something that actually involves special hardware support. Oct 24 04:57:51 which an IDE shouldn't. Oct 24 04:59:26 that fart talk Oct 24 04:59:28 so I'd have Maemo as main and some debian as backup Oct 24 04:59:39 purrhaps I will Oct 24 05:21:58 Loads, but it has the WM hinting issue, so can't type: https://maxdamantus.eu.org/qtcreator.png Oct 24 06:30:26 Maxdamantus: hmm how comes a qt app has wm_hints issues? Oct 24 06:43:55 bencoh: dunno. Is the `InputHint` or whatever it is set by all Qt applications? (not just ones compiled for Maemo) Oct 24 06:45:33 good question Oct 24 06:46:25 It's apparently not set on Chromium on my main system (compiled through nix). Oct 24 06:46:46 * Maxdamantus wonders if he has any Qt programs installed still. Oct 24 06:46:48 * Maxdamantus hates Qt. Oct 24 06:47:08 ldd /usr/bin*|grep -i qt ? Oct 24 06:48:51 Mk, loading bitcoin-qt Oct 24 06:49:20 Client accepts input or input focus: Yes Oct 24 06:49:40 So I guess that one has it. Oct 24 06:51:02 Hm. Apparently qtcreator on the device has it too. Oct 24 06:51:50 I guess I will have to learn to use makefiles, huh Oct 24 06:52:07 or just write a script Oct 24 06:52:28 or use an alternative window manager. Oct 24 06:52:33 compile_dlls.bat Oct 24 06:52:34 :p Oct 24 06:52:39 or fix hildon-desktop Oct 24 06:52:54 * Maxdamantus looks into using dwm. Oct 24 06:53:04 fluxbox ftw Oct 24 07:02:51 (([2017-10-21 Sat 12:00:42] someone's having a problem flashing N900 - http://picpaste.com/flasher_problem-pOxDCer5.jpg)) did you solve this? Oct 24 07:09:58 on a sidenote re above topic about developing: generally not supposed to be done on device, it's slow like hell and pretty inconvenient, mostly due to lack of RAM and partially due to lack of CPU power and IO bandwidth. Use scratchbox or madde instead Oct 24 07:10:31 ~madde Oct 24 07:10:32 i heard madde is http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/madde/ https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde‎ Oct 24 07:10:36 ~sb Oct 24 07:10:37 rumour has it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Oct 24 07:21:33 ((generally not supposed)) also because of limited size available in rootfs Oct 24 07:22:02 none of the generic install procedures for any tools or libs will work natively on maemo Oct 24 07:22:07 on device Oct 24 07:23:10 you need a chroot or optify till you're blue in the face Oct 24 07:23:15 ~optification Oct 24 07:23:15 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Oct 24 07:23:39 or just put everything on a partition on eMMC. Oct 24 07:23:52 * Maxdamantus did that. Oct 24 07:24:20 or just pay someone to do the dirty work Oct 24 07:24:24 * Maxdamantus is building/testing dwm on device atm Oct 24 07:24:44 KotCzarny: Off-topic time for me? Oct 24 07:24:44 note that MyDocs is FAT and thus not exactly ideal for anything development related, since you don't have proper file owner and permissions, nor symlinks Oct 24 07:25:02 brolin_empey: if it's about thinkpads, h3droid or oscp, sure Oct 24 07:25:58 KotCzarny: No but I noticed that DuckDuckGo serves a paid advertisement for a penis enlargement product in results of a query for “paul atreides”. 0_o Oct 24 07:26:33 happens, but remember ads are often profiled to search terms Oct 24 07:27:09 not only current one, but previous Oct 24 07:28:12 Is that the guy in Dune? Oct 24 07:28:17 yup Oct 24 07:28:33 KotCzarny: Do you get this advertisement in the results of the same query? Oct 24 07:28:43 * KotCzarny starts humming ~~behind blue eyes~~ Oct 24 07:29:02 brolin_empey: i'm sticking to google Oct 24 07:29:07 for better or worse Oct 24 07:29:35 * Maxdamantus doesn't seem to see any ads, though he isn't familiar with DuckDuckGo. Oct 24 07:29:42 http://www.moserware.com/2009/09/stick-figure-guide-to-advanced.html Oct 24 07:29:45 * Maxdamantus notices it's fucking around with webfonts. Oct 24 07:30:31 www.startpage.com/ Oct 24 07:30:51 Apparently “bite” means “dick” or “cock” in the French language. Oct 24 07:32:07 http://bai.se/ is apparently a real business, not a domain hack. Oct 24 07:34:02 relevance? Oct 24 07:34:41 Mm, dwm seems easy enough to modify. Oct 24 07:34:42 DocScrutinizer05: Relevance of Nokia N900 in 2017? ;-) Oct 24 07:34:59 no, of this topic in #maemo Oct 24 07:35:10 Changed it so it uses `ctrl-backspace` to trigger waiting for the command key, instead of using a modifier. Oct 24 07:35:35 your comment sounds rather rude Oct 24 07:35:50 Though need to get Xorg to not still send the input to the last-focused window at the same time. Oct 24 07:36:14 like "who gives a shit about maemo and if or if not I'm abusing the #maemo cjhannel" Oct 24 07:36:35 Maxdamantus: dwm is highly hackable and meant to be configured that way Oct 24 07:36:58 and someone even started developing some kind of tablet UI based on it Oct 24 07:43:10 DocScrutinizer05: I guess I should privately message KotCzarny instead of beginning off-topic discussions in this channel. Honestly, though, as we have already discussed multiple times over the years, I stopped using Maemo in 2014 because my user experience was too bad, especially in Canada. I suspect that part of the reason why Nokia never released the N900 in Canada is because the cellular data connectivity of the N900 in Canada is very slow. Oct 24 07:43:35 brolin_empey: do you own allwinner h3 based board? Oct 24 07:45:02 * DocScrutinizer05 fails to see the relevance of >>as we have already discussed multiple times over the years, I stopped using Maemo in 2014<< in this context either Oct 24 07:45:47 KotCzarny: Not that I know of but I am guessing from the context that h3droid is some form of the Android OS for the allwinner h3-based board? Oct 24 07:45:57 correct Oct 24 07:46:20 if you like playing with arm, buy one (they are cheap, starting from under 10usd) Oct 24 07:46:34 preferably get one with 16gb emmc though Oct 24 07:46:42 oranges are the best hw wise Oct 24 07:47:08 that way you could even help with porting maemo to devuan Oct 24 07:48:53 DocScrutinizer05: Seriously, if your Maemo 5 user experience is the same as mine, I do not know how you can be satisfied with your Maemo 5 user experience. Oct 24 07:49:29 I'm not interested in discussing this question Oct 24 07:50:22 particularly not when it feels like a sidetrack to excuse off-topic discussion Oct 24 07:50:44 it could even be used as a sb box (4x1.2ghz > 1x0.5ghz) Oct 24 07:50:53 DocScrutinizer05: OK. Oct 24 07:51:26 so 8 times faster n900 packages compilation! ;) Oct 24 07:52:04 not if the bottlenack is elsewhere Oct 24 07:56:40 a bit offtopic, but heck if it's not a legendary: https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22688334_1499574290157911_3979573211749576218_n.jpg?oh=60c63393c8dac5e04bef7db67a809131&oe=5A714B5F Oct 24 07:57:27 could you please comment about what *are* the URLs you paste? Oct 24 07:57:45 i've added 'offtopic', so you can skip it most likely Oct 24 07:58:00 you're aware users are strongly encouraged to NOT click and URL bait you throw at them? Oct 24 07:58:16 s/and/any/ Oct 24 07:58:16 DocScrutinizer05 meant: you're aware users are strongly encouraged to NOT click any URL bait you throw at them? Oct 24 07:59:20 DocScrutinizer05 prefers URN bait over URL bait. ;-) Oct 24 08:00:40 folks, honored veteran users approached me about poor S/N ratio in this channel. So I gonna do sth about it Oct 24 08:02:19 I'm generally not averse to a good percentage of social chatter, but it needs to be within a few formal limits. "farts" and "penis_enlargement" are clearly not within those, neither is URL spamming Oct 24 08:06:36 DocScrutinizer05: i dont know if that flasher problem was solved. i was asking on behalf of someone else on facebook who subsequentky went MIA. i would still be interested to know what could cause that Oct 24 08:07:32 poor USB cable, wrong USB port, USB hub Oct 24 08:08:14 and issues on PC, like modules not blacklisted Oct 24 08:09:04 its XP Oct 24 08:09:46 sorry, can't really comment on windows, no first hand experience. Maybe PC_suite installed and interfering? Oct 24 08:10:08 or whatever else app that messes with USB... no idea Oct 24 08:10:37 there's prolly a zillion of apps / tools in windows that could cause trouble like this Oct 24 08:11:41 sicelo: did you manage to contact Ryan Abel? Oct 24 08:13:15 aka generalantilles aka maemo GC Oct 24 08:14:09 (ex) freenode staff approached me about the chanop situation Oct 24 08:14:39 so I guess it's about time to solve this issue Oct 24 08:18:35 we discussed it and juice was going to handle that. he's on of the secondary group contacts too. will follow-up this evening during meeting Oct 24 08:19:28 fine :-D Maybe it helps that warfare and me are in Maemo e.V. board and Maemo e.V. holds maemo assets Oct 24 08:20:50 actually you *could* even delegate to maemo e.V., but I'd personally prefer council manages this with freenode directly Oct 24 08:21:08 Maxdamantus: why you don't like Qt Oct 24 08:21:11 Hacky, but seems like a decent starting point: https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/5fdbe47fba69826b7bb19d7aa2cdc8e2/revisions Oct 24 08:21:12 it looks strange when maemo e.V. asks for GC for themselves Oct 24 08:22:09 though technically/legally maemo e.V. would be the entity to do it Oct 24 08:22:33 sicelo: well, I told nix to build a simple Qt program a few hours ago (mkvtoolnix-gui), and it's still compiling the dependencies. Oct 24 08:23:24 haha Oct 24 08:24:03 so you prefer gtk? Oct 24 08:25:12 Well, I'm pretty sure you don't need to spend hours compiling Gtk-specific libraries before you can use Gtk, so yes. Oct 24 08:25:45 well, as a matter of fact ... you do Oct 24 08:25:56 looks like you kinda forgot about it ;) Oct 24 08:26:08 (either that or you never tried building gtk from scratch) Oct 24 08:26:20 cool. people tend to prefer Qt for being more compatible with Windows, etc. Oct 24 08:26:32 cross platform Oct 24 08:26:34 Pretty sure I've compiled it from scratch before, pretty sure it doesn't take hours. Oct 24 08:26:41 yes, it takes Oct 24 08:27:04 compiling gtk takes about the same time as compiling qt Oct 24 08:27:09 DocScrutinizer05: is warfare very active on IRC? Oct 24 08:27:19 no Oct 24 08:27:36 but he's our master admin on all maemo infra Oct 24 08:27:47 ceene: i'm looking at the UI for palm on yt Oct 24 08:27:57 IOW the keeper of *all* keys Oct 24 08:28:25 he took over that role from me Oct 24 08:29:41 you'll notice he's chan-owner/founder of all channels that we have complete control over Oct 24 08:29:55 sicelo: what do you think of it? Oct 24 08:30:03 PIM applications were easier to use back then Oct 24 08:30:14 all information about a contact is visible at a glance Oct 24 08:31:23 while GeneralAntilles is not even in ACL of this channel Oct 24 08:32:13 so GC role needs to get delegated or transfered from GeneralAntilles to somebody more present Oct 24 08:32:48 yes. agreed Oct 24 08:33:17 ideally a member of maemo e.V. since that ... just feels natural Oct 24 08:34:05 at least as long as those members actually are active on IRC Oct 24 08:34:42 and understand the requirements involved with GC role Oct 24 08:35:04 nope. criterium should be 'available, reachable and responsive' Oct 24 08:35:11 sicelo: there's a palmos emulator or something like that for n900 Oct 24 08:35:25 luckily there are one or two that qualify for all those criteria ;-) Oct 24 08:37:20 the supposed procedure is: council asks Ryan abel (recent GC) to contact freenode to transfer GC role to maemo e.V. aka warfare + me Oct 24 08:38:16 if that doesn't pan out, probably freenode will insist in maemo e.V contacting them directly since maemo e.V. is owner of the maemo name asset Oct 24 08:38:33 so council needs to delegate that jib to maemo e.V then Oct 24 08:39:24 if juiceme also is primary GC (or secondary with full permissions) then he can also do all that's needed Oct 24 08:39:36 no need for Ryan then Oct 24 08:46:09 anyway our channel ACL is 7.5 years old, and the only one who instantly can do anything about it (x-fade) is MIA since 2 years and rejected to do anything since 5 years Oct 24 08:46:42 this neeeds to get fixed Oct 24 08:47:53 even freenode staff emeritus starts wondering what's up Oct 24 09:02:57 Hah. Closing the widget windows alters the actual saved state of the desktop layout? Oct 24 09:03:26 Replaced hildon-desktop with dwm and closed all the widget windows .. now after rebooting, the widgets are gone. Oct 24 09:38:54 anyone here have experience running GarnetVM on the N900, regarding stability and performance with heavier apps, like say, Bhajis Loops? Oct 24 09:39:20 I remember trying StyleTap on a Symbian s60v5 phone Oct 24 09:39:37 not a very pretty sight Oct 24 09:44:46 and I suppose programming a Maemo application is like programming for linux, but with outdated tools and dependencies Oct 24 09:50:53 CatButts: yes, but you also have to hildonize your apps and optify your packages Oct 24 09:51:56 and by hildonize, you mean using specific APIs? Oct 24 09:52:08 say if I want to go the SDL1 route Oct 24 09:52:50 https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide Oct 24 09:53:29 while stock linux apps should compile and run, there might be display/usability gotchas you would have to look for Oct 24 09:53:56 see https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software Oct 24 10:51:36 33USD for an N900 with scratchy screen Oct 24 10:53:43 CatButts: nice Oct 24 10:53:48 CatButts: you buying or selling? :D Oct 24 10:53:53 buying Oct 24 10:53:56 aw :P Oct 24 10:54:01 found local Oct 24 10:54:05 still wary Oct 24 10:54:22 i find them for ~50 euros with near mint conditions all the time :) Oct 24 10:54:32 ppl just go 'meh , not android' and sell it cheap :P Oct 24 10:55:02 I think he sells same phone for 17USD without the battery Oct 24 10:55:40 buZz: how many do you have :p Oct 24 10:55:49 that's kinda silly Oct 24 10:55:53 3 now :) but one had a cocacola bath :( Oct 24 10:56:16 mmm bubbles Oct 24 10:56:47 buZz: nurdxperiments? ;) Oct 24 10:57:09 no, can exploded in my backpack Oct 24 10:57:25 never drink (coke) and walk Oct 24 10:58:02 did you sit on pack? Oct 24 10:58:23 no, the can was just in the bottom after a while with a lot of tech on top of it Oct 24 10:58:30 X-/ Oct 24 10:58:39 close enough Oct 24 10:58:57 i need some isopropyl so i can at least refurb the screen Oct 24 10:59:22 oh, so scratchy screen can be mended Oct 24 10:59:29 it's plastic, right? Oct 24 10:59:36 well Oct 24 11:00:14 the -screen- is probably not scratchy Oct 24 11:00:20 the touchlayer in front might be Oct 24 11:00:45 ouch Oct 24 11:01:04 I'd assume a touchlayer is put behind something Oct 24 11:01:13 in front Oct 24 11:01:31 i think they coated it with something touch-ish Oct 24 11:01:35 but its in front Oct 24 11:13:25 CatButts: Almost six months ago. I was developing an app for palm. I did not have problems with it. Probably I am going to retake it in 4 or six months. I have not had any issues with the GarnetVM. 2 Years ago I was still using an n800. And GarnetVM worked well there also. Even the POSE have been ported lo android. I have tryied it a table also. My app worked nice on all these devices Oct 24 11:21:51 how's the PalmAPI? Oct 24 11:22:17 https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming_for_Palm_OS/C/HelloWorld this looks kinda cozy Oct 24 11:23:32 #palm channel is dead, lol Oct 24 11:23:46 even #symbian has more life Oct 24 11:24:49 right. But You could create the palm channell again. Oct 24 11:25:26 i have done a couple of apps recently. One that display dynamic ui. I am also porting the same app for n900 but no time right now Oct 24 11:25:50 And the second app is a network connection that sync a products database to the palm device Oct 24 11:28:52 I am interested in music and drawing tools Oct 24 11:29:01 what's your area, sunshavi Oct 24 11:29:04 ? Oct 24 11:30:00 wanted to get a Palm TX, but found the N900 cheaper Oct 24 11:31:26 i do it cos. I was a palm developer in the year 2k. Oct 24 11:31:43 i develop an accounting system on C Oct 24 11:32:12 I am more of a DIY hobyist Oct 24 11:32:15 but one of my customers want to sale from a mobile device Oct 24 11:33:31 there is a drawing app on n900 Oct 24 11:33:58 I do not remember the name right now. Oct 24 11:34:23 nice drawing app I can say. Very similar to one that was present on palm Oct 24 11:36:43 ah, one more thing Oct 24 11:36:56 I've had a Nintendo DS before Oct 24 11:37:02 (RIP) Oct 24 11:37:17 the resistive screen does actually register pressure Oct 24 11:37:34 how are things on the n900 side? Oct 24 11:38:09 after palm I moved here. never went on the symbian side (but the microkernel OS seems interesting) Oct 24 11:38:25 did stay a while on Symbian Oct 24 11:38:27 s60v5 Oct 24 11:38:31 n900 is very nice for my use case Oct 24 11:38:49 I have seen the n8 very nice device more powerful than n900 Oct 24 11:38:58 taking about hw Oct 24 11:39:17 isnt it an n9 clone? Oct 24 11:39:24 but what n900 gives me no android device could give me Oct 24 11:39:33 on Symbian they have C++ Oct 24 11:39:41 KotCzarny: not the os Oct 24 11:39:43 some twisted variant of it Oct 24 11:39:46 yeah, but hw is Oct 24 11:39:56 KotCzarny: right Oct 24 11:40:24 yes. I personally do not like C++ but I could do it if needed Oct 24 11:40:40 me neither :p Oct 24 11:41:26 how would you describe working with Palm API? Oct 24 11:41:32 I know that is C Oct 24 11:41:46 It is very nice. Oct 24 11:42:12 You would need a couple of old dated pdf Oct 24 11:42:23 You would need the palm sdk Oct 24 11:42:27 I hoarded some PDFs Oct 24 11:42:30 You would need prctools Oct 24 11:42:39 you would need pose Oct 24 11:42:56 I don't think POSE does Palm 5 Oct 24 11:43:16 no. pose emulates any device from palm III on Oct 24 11:43:29 why would You need palm 5 Oct 24 11:43:30 ? Oct 24 11:43:47 palm 5 has sound APIs, right? Oct 24 11:44:06 and the more beefy ARM CPU Oct 24 11:44:20 I am not very sure about it Oct 24 11:44:28 oh, there's this for the masochistic http://onboardc.sourceforge.net/ Oct 24 11:44:28 yes the cpu right Oct 24 11:44:32 :P Oct 24 11:44:46 lol. I have tried it on n900 once Oct 24 11:45:01 but time is precious Oct 24 11:45:43 the "touch layer" is the digitizer, which consists of two plastic sheets with transparent electrically conducting resistive coating facing towards each other, and a drop of oil as separator in between Oct 24 11:46:09 ah, so if that get's pierced, good bye Oct 24 11:46:14 *gets Oct 24 11:46:18 yep Oct 24 11:46:20 i never tried the arm development on palm. Even I still have a device for it the tapwave Zodiac Oct 24 11:46:41 well, I've ported C to ActionScript 3 by hand Oct 24 11:46:51 took me 6 months on first try Oct 24 11:46:51 also highly discouraged to touch that thing with any solvents Oct 24 11:47:02 so I more than qualify for time and masochism :P Oct 24 11:47:18 never heard of actionScript Oct 24 11:47:18 *time available Oct 24 11:47:19 though isoprop might work. i'd not dare testing it Oct 24 11:47:32 I am going to check online Oct 24 11:47:48 sunshavi, Macromedia/Adobe Flash Oct 24 11:48:07 it's OOP Oct 24 11:48:11 class-based Oct 24 11:48:41 right. You could do also OOP on C there is a book about it Oct 24 11:48:57 I tried to do it. On my daily work Oct 24 11:49:15 s/tried/try/ Oct 24 11:49:16 sunshavi meant: I try to do it. On my daily work Oct 24 11:49:53 on the flip side, you can write procedurally in AS3 if you use classes as structs:P Oct 24 11:50:28 CatButts: ((if that get's pierced, good bye)) that's why I said "looks like leaked and bubbles" regarding that 17 bucks device Oct 24 11:51:11 I called him and it's two devices Oct 24 11:51:17 thankfully Oct 24 11:51:26 and I checked, didn't find any hint it's a screen protector that has the bubbles Oct 24 11:51:52 CatButts: I need to go now. Let me know If You need more info. As I have told You this year I have been developing Palm . And I pretend going on with it in a 4 or six months period of time Oct 24 11:52:17 I'll keep in touch Oct 24 11:52:23 you usually can spot screen protectors from their cutouts arounf camera/ALS/proxy and earpiece aperture Oct 24 11:52:24 * CatButts rolls on his cat butt Oct 24 11:53:22 https://www.olx.ro/oferta/telefon-nokia-n900-ID8YVan.html this is the one I'm going for Oct 24 11:53:25 looks saner Oct 24 11:54:15 I'm worried about lower right corner of screen Oct 24 11:54:31 actually whole right corner... but wait Oct 24 11:55:40 this actually *might* be a screen protector, with a huge piece of rubbush under itright above U|I Oct 24 11:56:14 or that's a scratch/leak Oct 24 11:57:34 if I could zoom in to that picture... Oct 24 11:57:53 impossible to tell Oct 24 12:00:32 anyway the whole screen looks like: bubbles, a scratch, and leaked silicon oil (the matte stains) Oct 24 12:03:14 might be a matter of just cleaning it, or even artifacts in the photo. No idea Oct 24 12:04:25 if the latter then seller didn't care much to make the device look good. If the former then they picked the photo that shows least of it Oct 24 12:06:47 I never had any severe scars in any of my N900 screens. But I heard of people who carried their N900 in trouser pocket together with nails and a garden rake, and the screen didn't really like that treatment Oct 24 12:07:33 also sharing pocket with keys is a poor idea Oct 24 12:08:32 no surprising find once you start to think about it, which is sth users sometimes just don't do Oct 24 12:11:00 wondering what been there first, careless users or gorilla glass screens, I'd bet on the former Oct 24 12:11:12 yup Oct 24 12:11:37 stupidity predates all tech Oct 24 12:11:47 hehe, to the point Oct 24 12:14:57 * DocScrutinizer05 can't stop imafining a guy with a fur coat hitting own head with a wooden club Oct 24 12:16:07 probably been needed to get the idea ro hit others likewise Oct 24 12:16:25 http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/no-use-it-for-talking-coimc.jpg Oct 24 12:16:26 ;-) Oct 24 12:16:45 hehehe Oct 24 13:12:35 does anyone know how to make this? https://github.com/archlinuxarm-n900/xf86-video-fbdev-sgx Oct 24 13:25:52 wait, where does that come from? Oct 24 13:26:25 pkill9: I'd say dpkg-buildpackage, as usual Oct 24 13:26:29 (in scratchbox) Oct 24 13:26:55 or just ./autogen.sh and ./configure && make Oct 24 13:27:00 cool thanks Oct 24 13:27:11 this is for archlinux arm not debian Oct 24 13:27:12 it all depends on your env and target actually Oct 24 13:27:21 i'm running archlinux arm on the n900 Oct 24 13:27:35 then don't use scratchbox Oct 24 13:42:49 pkill9: Do you have the right PowerVR blobs that go with xf86-video-fbdev-sgx? Oct 24 13:44:00 are blobs aprt of the kernel? Oct 24 13:44:05 part* Oct 24 13:44:08 no, the blobs are in userspace Oct 24 13:44:16 and no I dont know where you get them from Oct 24 13:45:06 i'm using this guide https://github.com/archlinuxarm-n900/alarm-n900/wiki/PowerVR-SGX Oct 24 13:45:36 Looks like the ti-omap3-sgx-bin package has the blobs you need Oct 24 13:45:37 i'm fairly new to compiling and stuff so i'm kinda doing it by trial and error lol, but i've used linux for a while and can work my way around stuff Oct 24 13:45:52 yeah Oct 24 13:46:19 so what's the userspace blob? is it closed source stuff necessary to work with proprietary hardware? Oct 24 13:46:50 yes Oct 24 13:46:52 here is that package https://github.com/archlinuxarm-n900/ti-omap3-sgx-bin Oct 24 13:47:15 Its the same thing as the graphics drivers on a desktop PC basically Oct 24 13:47:43 Same purpose anyway Oct 24 13:50:31 i thought maybe i could try it without the blob and maybe it would just mean not being able to use 3D accelaration for now Oct 24 13:50:47 then try it with the blob if X doesn't start Oct 24 13:54:40 pkill9: good luck with building the ti-omap3-sgx-bin package you just linked Oct 24 13:54:47 it refers to pub.meego.com Oct 24 13:54:51 ha yeah Oct 24 13:55:20 pkill9: you can retrieve maemo sgx binaries from maemo/nokia mirrors Oct 24 13:57:25 hmm i may not need it afterall, i used this repo to compile the kernel https://github.com/pali/linux-n900 Oct 24 13:57:32 and it mentions fbdev and stuff Oct 24 13:57:41 actually idk Oct 24 13:57:50 are kernel modules userspace or kernelspace? Oct 24 13:58:21 cos the systemd service in that sgx package just seems to modprobe the driver Oct 24 13:59:27 well i'll make the xorg driver and see if it works Oct 24 13:59:33 but i'm recharging my phone atm Oct 24 14:01:40 sorry my attention is all over the place, gonna go have lunch Oct 24 14:13:21 pkill9: I dunno if this repo includes sgx patches Oct 24 14:14:47 you need an (opensource, never merged - distributed as patches) kernel driver, the xorg fbdev-sgx driver, egl blobs, and the closed pvr2d bridge blobs Oct 24 14:14:52 afaict Oct 24 14:44:09 oh ok bencoh, i guess it's gonna be a mission :D Oct 24 14:50:54 pkill9: maemo worked with kernel built from this repo at some point afaiu, so it might work, assuming you extracted the blobs from a maemo system Oct 24 14:51:01 it shouldn't be that difficult Oct 24 14:51:07 and their are only 2/3 packages to include Oct 24 14:51:10 there* Oct 24 16:11:43 hmm, i get an error from autogen.sh, and configure, complaining of 'syntax error near unexpected token 'RANDR,', and the line is 'XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RANDR, randrproto)' Oct 24 16:26:18 hmm found this, this probably explains why (need xorg-server-devel package) https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79509&p=67 Oct 24 16:37:15 pkill9: do you build on-device or in a cross env? Oct 24 16:37:40 on device, but i would much prefer to use a cross env :p Oct 24 16:38:15 compiling at downloading ate half my battery after i recharged it lol Oct 24 16:38:20 s/at/and Oct 24 16:39:30 bencoh: is there a decent guide to compiling for ARM on x86_64? Oct 24 16:39:47 I'm somewhat new to compiling Oct 24 16:40:11 though I compiled the kernel for the N900 on this PC Oct 24 16:40:27 but I barely knew what was happening :P Oct 24 16:41:08 a decent guide, dunno Oct 24 16:41:22 but the keyword is crosscomiling Oct 24 16:41:26 +p Oct 24 16:59:02 sgx driver blobs: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/gfxsdk/index.html Oct 24 17:01:49 cool thanks :) Oct 24 17:04:32 pkill9: I don;t think those are compatible with the kernel on Pali's tree Oct 24 17:04:41 ah Oct 24 17:04:45 you really should use the blobs comming with the device Oct 24 17:05:01 *coming Oct 24 17:05:27 how would i get them from the device to my archlinux arm installation? Oct 24 17:05:45 copy them? Oct 24 17:05:56 also useful: https://pandorawiki.org/SGX_drivers Oct 24 17:06:11 where would i copy them from? Oct 24 17:06:19 all the *pvr* and *gl* nad *GL* and *IMG* from /usr/lib Oct 24 17:06:25 and symlinks as well Oct 24 17:07:00 ok, boot maemo and check which packages contain *sgx* or *img* in the package name Oct 24 17:07:09 "dpkg -l | grep sgx" Oct 24 17:07:16 "dpkg -l | grep img| Oct 24 17:07:20 ops Oct 24 17:07:27