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Oct 26 09:48:57 <Langoor> sorry for asking, I got my n900 and want to install uboot, its on the power user kernel (came like this) but for uboot i heard you need to be on the nokia vanilla kernel
Oct 26 09:49:16 <Langoor> downgrade using the app doesn´t work because the repo´s are down
Oct 26 09:49:33 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Oct 26 09:49:33 <infobot> maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Oct 26 09:49:49 <KotCzarny> but really, you should be using cssu, not vanilla
Oct 26 09:49:51 <Langoor> will that work with the __nokia kernel__ app?
Oct 26 09:50:07 <Langoor> will cssu work with uboot?
Oct 26 09:51:04 <KotCzarny> you will have to wait for someone that used it
Oct 26 09:51:50 <KotCzarny> in short, uboot works in the way it impersonates kernel to the first stage loader (nolo), and expects kernel files on filesystem
Oct 26 09:52:03 <KotCzarny> that's a bit of guessing though
Oct 26 09:52:13 <Langoor> allright, thanks
Oct 26 09:52:17 <KotCzarny> because i don't know details
Oct 26 09:52:25 <KotCzarny> and you should wait for someone that does
Oct 26 09:53:14 <Langoor> Will do, thanks anyway
Oct 26 09:53:14 <sixwheeledbeast> kp support uboot you just need uboot for kp from extras.
Oct 26 09:53:29 <Langoor> kp = power user kernel?
Oct 26 09:53:41 <sixwheeledbeast> kernel power, yes
Oct 26 09:53:45 <sixwheeledbeast> ~kp
Oct 26 09:53:46 <infobot> i guess kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287
Oct 26 09:56:22 <sixwheeledbeast> "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" and "Linux kernel for power user (boot image for U-Boot)" from extras
Oct 26 09:57:42 <Langoor> allright! thanks!
Oct 26 10:00:30 <sixwheeledbeast> you should have cssu and make sure the device is up to date for bugfixes etc
Oct 26 10:02:00 <sixwheeledbeast> CSSU doesn't have a "non-vanilla" kernel only thumb needs the workaround (cssu-kernel or KP).
Oct 26 10:03:48 <sixwheeledbeast> Also if you have acquired the device with kp make sure you check if it's been overclocked.
Oct 26 10:03:50 <sixwheeledbeast> ~oc
Oct 26 10:03:51 <infobot> methinks oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s
Oct 26 10:03:56 <sixwheeledbeast> ~overclock
Oct 26 10:03:56 <infobot> I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm.
Oct 26 10:04:04 <sixwheeledbeast> :(
Oct 26 10:04:17 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys overclock
Oct 26 10:04:17 <Langoor> allright
Oct 26 10:04:19 <infobot> Factoid search of 'overclock' by key (3): overclocking ;; cmd: overclock (.*?) ;; overclock.
Oct 26 10:04:28 <sixwheeledbeast> ~overclocking
Oct 26 10:04:28 <infobot> "OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"
Oct 26 10:04:33 <sixwheeledbeast> :)
Oct 26 10:04:46 <sixwheeledbeast> ty
Oct 26 10:05:48 <Langoor> !!!U-Boot with kernel.... break the 3rd party package policy
Oct 26 10:05:51 <Langoor> :x
Oct 26 10:07:00 <Langoor> I installed the Linux kernel for power user (boot image) first
Oct 26 10:07:04 <Langoor> might that be a problem
Oct 26 10:08:11 <Langoor> I´ll get cssu up
Oct 26 10:09:13 <Langoor> its not even on pr3.1
Oct 26 10:09:14 <Langoor> oops
Oct 26 10:09:46 * CatButts patiently waits for his device
Oct 26 10:09:52 <KotCzarny> did you ever flash after acquiring the device? (assuming it was bought used)
Oct 26 11:37:36 <sixwheeledbeast> I would also agree it's better to start again with a fresh device.
Oct 26 11:38:07 <sixwheeledbeast> You'll need to be on pr1.3 and then cssu.
Oct 26 11:42:04 <CatButts> prX.X
Oct 26 11:42:16 <CatButts> these are firmware versions, right?
Oct 26 11:45:34 <sixwheeledbeast> public release numbers. there are also version numbers
Oct 26 11:46:35 <sixwheeledbeast> so pr 1.3.1 is aka 21.2011.38-1
Oct 26 11:47:49 <sixwheeledbeast> this is the last Nokia release, CSSU would be 21.2011.38-1XmaemoX
Oct 26 11:53:05 <CatButts> so, CSSU is community maintained firmware
Oct 26 11:53:27 <CatButts> and one would need latest official before going CSSU, yes?
Oct 26 11:53:48 <KotCzarny> cssu is updates, not firmware
Oct 26 11:54:09 <KotCzarny> and yes, you need 1.3/1.3.1 on device before updating with cssu
Oct 26 12:03:04 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod:
Oct 26 12:04:17 <sixwheeledbeast> it would be nice to have flashable cssu image but I don't believe it's allowed to be distributed like that.
Oct 26 12:04:47 <sixwheeledbeast> (community) seamless software updates
Oct 26 12:09:14 <buZz> highly doubt nokia would sue us over it though :P
Oct 26 12:09:18 <KotCzarny> i guess as long no one starts making moneys on it, no one would bother
Oct 26 12:10:03 <CatButts> oh hey, I can use Flash on this thing :P
Oct 26 12:10:53 <sixwheeledbeast> the thing is you have to define "us". Flash is years out of date and mostly broken for 4 years or more.
Oct 26 12:11:51 <CatButts> what is latest version for Maemo?
Oct 26 12:12:01 <buZz> its called meego
Oct 26 12:12:03 <buZz> isnt it?
Oct 26 12:12:05 <KotCzarny> nope
Oct 26 12:12:13 <KotCzarny> last real maemo was fremantle
Oct 26 12:12:16 <sixwheeledbeast> version of what?
Oct 26 12:12:18 <buZz> i thought it was direct continueation
Oct 26 12:12:24 <CatButts> Flash Player
Oct 26 12:12:26 <KotCzarny> harmattan is who knows what
Oct 26 12:12:29 <sixwheeledbeast> 11
Oct 26 12:12:30 <KotCzarny> ahm
Oct 26 12:12:30 <CatButts> for Maemo
Oct 26 12:12:39 <KotCzarny> disregard what i've written
Oct 26 12:13:06 <KotCzarny> buzz: well, for you what i wrote still holds
Oct 26 12:13:21 <CatButts> so how broken are we talking?
Oct 26 12:13:25 <CatButts> *so,
Oct 26 12:14:04 <KotCzarny> buzz: 
Oct 26 12:14:05 <KotCzarny> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/
Oct 26 12:14:41 <sixwheeledbeast> Flash needs to die, html5 should be supported going forward.
Oct 26 12:15:10 <KotCzarny> swb: html5 is already sabotaged by drm
Oct 26 12:15:11 <CatButts> Flash hate is a meme, html5 is kind of a fucky mess
Oct 26 12:15:19 <KotCzarny> swb: so good luck with that
Oct 26 12:15:33 <CatButts> * -kind
Oct 26 12:15:45 <KotCzarny> eff left html standardization foundation
Oct 26 12:15:45 * CatButts tones down his kindness
Oct 26 12:16:46 <sixwheeledbeast> it was actually flash 9 btw.
Oct 26 12:17:04 <CatButts> oh, so Maemo gets up to Flash 9
Oct 26 12:17:06 <CatButts> ?
Oct 26 12:17:18 <sixwheeledbeast> offically 
Oct 26 12:17:21 <sixwheeledbeast> yep
Oct 26 12:19:21 <sixwheeledbeast> then it was hacked with hexedit I recall to try and get it working on 10-12
Oct 26 12:20:00 <sixwheeledbeast> I still think flash is awful no meme intended.
Oct 26 12:20:17 <jonwil> Flash needs to go away and I hope the "Maemo Leste" effort doesn't spend a single second of time trying to make any of the Flash binaries work.
Oct 26 12:22:54 * CatButts allocates some time and energy to getting flash working in places it shouldn't just to piss off people
Oct 26 12:23:31 <CatButts> what can I say, I have a softspot for Flash :P
Oct 26 12:26:00 <jonwil> In principle Flash isn't bad, the problem is that Adobe put too much effort into adding useless crap to it and not enough effort into making Flash secure.
Oct 26 12:26:14 <jonwil> Which is why so much malware out there is using Flash as a delivery vector
Oct 26 12:26:30 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't like what i know of EME but what can you do. EFF had no luck.
Oct 26 12:27:37 <jonwil> The argument made by proponents of EME is that DRM on the web is here to stay and if everyone who writes browsers (and makes web sites) agrees on how to implement it, its better for the web as a whole than having every browser maker doing their own thing
Oct 26 12:30:39 <CatButts> ah, so it's like PDF format providing specification for using your own DRM?
Oct 26 12:31:17 <jonwil> EME is a standard for what calls a web page uses to talk to a DRM module
Oct 26 12:36:59 <KotCzarny> jownwil: lol, it's finished on 'leste' ? sounds like 'me moleste' ;)
Oct 26 18:29:30 <CatButts> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TYv2PhG89A unrelated
Oct 26 19:01:40 <CatButts> >Open this page in N900 webbrowser. Think a minute if you want to be a tester supporting CSSU bleeding edge, or you rather need a rock solid CSSU, then click on the according Install stable or testing icon at top of this page, or directly on the links in this very sentence. 
Oct 26 19:01:49 <CatButts> but
Oct 26 19:02:00 <CatButts> how fast is bleeding edge these days
Oct 26 19:02:29 <CatButts> if it's slow, it might well be "sorta stable"
Oct 26 19:03:08 <sixwheeledbeast> I feel that needs a little updating.
Oct 26 19:03:57 <sixwheeledbeast> as there is CSSU-Devel since then which is "bleeding edge"
Oct 26 19:04:18 <sixwheeledbeast> not for general consumption however.
Oct 26 19:04:25 <DocScrutinizer05> no, cssu-devel was never meant to be a real repo
Oct 26 19:04:48 * CatButts scratches his cat butt
Oct 26 19:06:39 * DocScrutinizer05 waits for maemo-cssu-devel-experimetal in 6 months, if ever -devel replaced -testing, and -testing is new stable, and -stable is new archive
Oct 26 19:06:42 <sixwheeledbeast> it's for pulling bleeding edge packages whereas testing is not bleeding edge more longer term testing.
Oct 26 19:07:04 <DocScrutinizer05> and a 9 motnhs later maemo-cssu-devel-experimetal-testing
Oct 26 19:08:12 <CatButts> is it a girl or a boy?
Oct 26 19:08:38 <sixwheeledbeast> Packages need to progress, not create more repos.
Oct 26 19:09:16 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu-devel was meant for packager testing packaging. Development and deploy of testing packages was histroically via tmo or links to arbitrary download locations on tmo, by getting a *.deb (dpk?) file and installing it via dpkg -i
Oct 26 19:09:44 <sixwheeledbeast> agreed
Oct 26 19:10:44 <DocScrutinizer05> to put it plain: *nobody* but the package developer is supposed to ever add maemo-cssu-devel repo to their sources.list
Oct 26 19:12:15 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I suggested to replace "free" by the packagename in cssu-devel, so even when somebody adds a sources.list line, it would be for exactly one package only
Oct 26 19:13:19 <sixwheeledbeast> I like that idea. You are never going to stop people adding stuff to there device.
Oct 26 19:13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> could be done by a simple little script on repo.m.o
Oct 26 19:14:07 <DocScrutinizer05> git hook
Oct 26 19:16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> we don't want people run "update all" in HAM against cssu-devel, do we?
Oct 26 19:17:06 <CatButts> I dunno what I want
Oct 26 19:17:20 <CatButts> guess I will find out when I get me device
Oct 26 19:18:13 <DocScrutinizer05> CatButts: you want cssu-testing
Oct 26 19:18:37 <CatButts> so, what are the 50 shades of CSSU
Oct 26 19:18:42 <CatButts> ?
Oct 26 19:19:53 <DocScrutinizer05> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2017-10-23.log.html#t2017-10-23T13:54:44
Oct 26 19:24:08 <DocScrutinizer05> moving to cssu-devel (like happened for maemo-extras[-devel]) won't buy maemo anything except huge headache. The problem is lack of human resources to keep cssu-testing up to date
Oct 26 19:24:11 <sixwheeledbeast> cssu is stable or testing, no 50 shades
Oct 26 19:25:35 <CatButts> 2 shades of cssu
Oct 26 19:26:00 <sixwheeledbeast> flavours you could argue
Oct 26 19:26:29 <DocScrutinizer05> missing HR for keeping cssu-testing maintained can't get solved by introducing a non-maintained repo (devel)
Oct 26 19:28:17 <DocScrutinizer05> CatButts: we have hints and instructions all over the place. But maybe a useful starting point particularly when you're preparing for receiving your device, might be:
Oct 26 19:28:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Oct 26 19:28:22 <infobot> somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 26 19:30:58 <sixwheeledbeast> I completely agree but I still don't feel cssu-testing is "bleeding edge", more about the wording on the wiki.
Oct 26 19:31:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ack
Oct 26 19:31:38 <CatButts> can I call it "dried blood bleeding-edge">
Oct 26 19:31:42 <CatButts> *?
Oct 26 19:33:02 <sixwheeledbeast> bleeding edge: so new that they could have a high risk of being unreliable and lead adopters to incur greater expense in order to make use of them
Oct 26 19:34:46 <sixwheeledbeast> CatButts: IMO if your new to Maemo then go Stable you can always upgrade to Testing later.
Oct 26 19:42:06 <DocScrutinizer05> works too
Oct 26 19:42:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I slightly updated my jrtools
Oct 26 20:00:10 <sixwheeledbeast> recommended.install is just muarf Nokia SSU and Nokia apps IIRC?
Oct 26 20:19:10 <DocScrutinizer05> I think so, yes
Oct 26 20:19:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you can look into the file in your browser's preview
Oct 26 20:20:28 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install
Oct 26 20:26:02 <DocScrutinizer05> also see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
Oct 26 20:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> >>TL;DR: CLICK ON recommended.install - it's a symlink to muarf_all<<
Oct 26 20:28:57 <sixwheeledbeast> yes I checked the install file.
Oct 26 20:29:40 <DocScrutinizer05> should it also be mr0?
Oct 26 20:31:30 <DocScrutinizer05> i.e.: http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/mr0/
Oct 26 20:32:03 <DocScrutinizer05> cmp: http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/
Oct 26 20:36:57 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, bash in mr0?
Oct 26 20:38:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, bash_2.05b-26osso7+0m5_armel.deb     resp (SSU) bash_2.05b-26osso8+0m5_armel.deb   
Oct 26 22:37:05 <zekorius> Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv71 unknown 
Oct 26 22:37:15 <zekorius> it's what I got after uname -a
Oct 26 22:38:38 <zekorius> is it ok?
Oct 26 22:50:34 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm, interesting. I am using /203 
Oct 26 22:51:34 <sixwheeledbeast> zekorius: ok in what way? 
Oct 26 22:52:57 <zekorius> sixwheeledbeast: I made backup too late, and now some things doesn't work for me
Oct 26 22:53:08 <sixwheeledbeast> correction /ssu/203
Oct 26 22:54:01 <zekorius> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100018
Oct 26 22:54:08 <zekorius> IDK how to fix it
Oct 26 22:54:14 <zekorius> IDK what I were doing
Oct 26 22:54:52 <zekorius> IDK if I'am able to fix this n900 myself but some packages are missing and apt-get update doesn't work, cssu update doesn't work either
Oct 26 22:55:10 <sixwheeledbeast> firstly don't use apt
Oct 26 22:55:53 <jonwil> My guess is you probably have a stuffed system and need to re-flash PR1.3 on there before installing CSSU on top of that and doing it properly.
Oct 26 22:55:58 <jonwil> That's just a guess though.
Oct 26 22:56:46 <sixwheeledbeast> It would appear you have the Nokia repos missing while updating to CSSU?
Oct 26 22:57:25 <zekorius> missing packages are libtelepathy-qt4-0 libtpsession libgq-gconf0 qtm-maemo-metapackage libconninet0
Oct 26 22:57:42 <jonwil> Yes that sounds like you are missing the Nokia repos or something.
Oct 26 22:58:29 <sixwheeledbeast> It's a lot to explain but I would suggest you start fresh.
Oct 26 22:58:56 <sixwheeledbeast> ~jrtools
Oct 26 22:58:57 <infobot> i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 26 22:59:07 <zekorius> is there good step by step instruction how to start fresh?
Oct 26 22:59:48 <sixwheeledbeast> see the link above.
Oct 26 23:01:36 <zekorius> sixwheeledbeast: thanks you, I'm going to read this tomorrow, now it's time to finally get some rest and sleep
Oct 26 23:01:40 <zekorius> 1:00
Oct 26 23:02:30 <zekorius> good night/day wherever you are whatever hour you have
Oct 26 23:02:31 <sixwheeledbeast> zekorius: Remove SIM > Flash (PR1.3) > Boot > Click recommended.install file > Click link to CSSU that should be it for the basic system.
Oct 26 23:02:42 <sixwheeledbeast> gn is midnight here :)
Oct 26 23:03:15 <sixwheeledbeast> oh also remove cherry.
Oct 26 23:04:42 <sixwheeledbeast> You maybe able to repair what you have with installing "recommended.install" and update via HAM but I would start again myself. 
Oct 26 23:15:55 <Langoor> backupmenu is installed
Oct 26 23:15:59 <Langoor> now making my first backup
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