**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 28 03:00:01 2017 Nov 28 08:16:43 Wizzup: curl isn't a dependency for mp-fremantle-community-pr only libcurl3. If you upgrade curl first you should then be able to install the new CSSU Testing. Nov 28 09:43:32 ilew: But it blocks it. And there is no update for it. Nov 28 11:43:18 Very tired. Very tired. Headaches every evening for at least last week, if not more. Nov 28 11:44:10 pregnant Nov 28 11:44:11 :> Nov 28 11:44:47 Lawl. I am not Anakin's mom to do the impossible. Nov 28 11:45:42 Anyway, it is more likely to have something with deficiency of iron or Vitamin D, or lack of sleep, or eyesight problem, or exposure to WiFi. Nov 28 11:46:36 does anyone use the webbrowser on n900? Nov 28 11:46:47 for any bigger websites Nov 28 11:46:51 caffeine dependency? Nov 28 11:46:55 Why did the latest cssu update require installation of meegographicssomething? Nov 28 11:47:01 pkill9: nope, ram problem Nov 28 11:47:09 yeah it's slow Nov 28 11:47:09 I do my Internet Banking in MicroB. Nov 28 11:47:32 microb is the browser that comes with maemo right? Nov 28 11:48:04 i need to upgrade to CSSU Nov 28 11:48:12 Do not drink coffee. Do not drink cocoa, generally. Even tea is rare - I am more likely to drink chamomile tea or ginger tea. Nov 28 11:48:26 what's the improvements from non-CSSU maemo? Nov 28 11:48:49 as far as i can tell it's mostly just more customizable Hildon Nov 28 11:48:52 MicroB is the default browser on maemo, yes. Like Firefox 3.6, engine-wise... Nov 28 11:49:09 Some bugs and memory leaks fixed, in cssu. Nov 28 11:49:24 Some features added, too. Nov 28 11:49:43 Some blobs reverse-engineered, I think. Nov 28 11:49:55 ~cssu Nov 28 11:49:55 i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Nov 28 11:50:37 is the latest git available for maemo? Nov 28 11:50:53 ~repository Nov 28 11:50:54 rumour has it, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos Nov 28 11:51:06 pkill9: it's not only customizations, it's fixing plenty of bugs in packages Nov 28 11:51:13 so definitely recommended over stock Nov 28 11:51:19 ok, i should upgrade then Nov 28 11:51:27 and if you are adventurious you can even try cssu-thumb Nov 28 11:51:35 which should save a megabyte or two Nov 28 11:51:41 could i upgrade from cssu to cssu-thumb? Nov 28 11:51:45 As in, is maemo code on github? I think so. At least, for open-source packages, including reverse engineered ones. Nov 28 11:51:50 yes Nov 28 11:52:10 Wikiwide: yeah Nov 28 11:52:14 Wikiwide: i mean, is the git program up to date? Nov 28 11:52:29 or does it depend on newer kernel Nov 28 11:53:00 Does git run on Maemo 5? Nov 28 11:54:30 Yes, there is git 1.7.9.5-1-maemo2 in repositories. Nov 28 11:54:32 quite a bit of the maemo code is on gh Nov 28 12:07:58 is this package database up to date? Nov 28 12:08:00 http://maemo.org/packages/ Nov 28 12:08:11 i can't find mosh :( Nov 28 12:08:22 Yes, it is up-to-date Nov 28 12:08:45 Not sure if it covers all repositories Nov 28 12:10:04 I think it covers maemo.org repositories, but not others? Nov 28 12:10:25 Hey there Nov 28 12:10:30 No idea. Apt-cache search mosh gives no results in my terminal. Nov 28 12:10:36 Hi :-) Nov 28 12:10:58 Nice to see some activity on the channel :) Nov 28 12:11:40 Thank pkill9 :-) Nov 28 12:11:58 /me is just idling most of the time Nov 28 12:12:40 :) Nov 28 12:13:17 I've been using my N900 with the CSSU(?) for about a month now. I'm pleasantly surprised so far. Nov 28 12:14:27 One thing that is on my mind, though, is call encryption. I suspect third-party shenanigans... Nov 28 12:15:16 My calls are often bumped to "2G" or "2.5 G" (whatever that means) Nov 28 12:16:07 and this is even though there is no discernable reason why. Clear line of sight to the nearest cell tower, and the switch always seems to happen when the call is initiated. Before, I'll see "3G" in the status bar. Nov 28 12:16:16 Feel free to choose "2G only", "3G only" or "Dual" in Settings > Phone. Nov 28 12:16:34 Wikiwide: ah, ok :) Nov 28 12:16:38 3G should be more encrypted than 2G. Nov 28 12:17:26 2G tower can insist that it doesn't support encryption, and modem generally trusts cellular tower. Nov 28 12:17:27 Wikiwide: yeah, I know that's a popular trick, to middle-man the call and force the phone to 2G Nov 28 12:17:28 rhombus, 2.5G is probably EDGE Nov 28 12:17:44 inz: ok Nov 28 12:18:07 Still 2G, but with 384 kbit/s! Nov 28 12:18:27 inz: whoooooOOOoooooooooooooooooosh! Nov 28 12:18:50 640kb/s should be enough for everyone! Nov 28 12:18:54 lol Nov 28 12:19:16 I remember starting out with 2400 bps modem; did not do any file transfers though Nov 28 12:19:28 Is there a Maemo app that can help sniff out IMSI catchers? I live in a *cough* major European capital Nov 28 12:19:38 inz: My first modem was 300 bps Nov 28 12:19:52 I remember being SO excited when I got it Nov 28 12:20:00 I whistle faster than 300 baud ;) Nov 28 12:20:09 And I also did file transfers with it Nov 28 12:20:46 and then I upgraded to 1200 (oh the excitement) and later, using an adapter cable, switched to a 2400 bps modem (more excitement) Nov 28 12:21:15 when I tried my first 14.4 kbps modem I nearly died from the thrill Nov 28 12:21:15 Lawl... Count Rhombus, I don't know of a specific app. I use Cellular Tower, it shows which tower is in use. But there is ... Restinpeace ... app? Nov 28 12:21:34 no. Nov 28 12:22:49 lawl: no? What are you no-ing about? Nov 28 12:23:15 highlighting me for no reason Nov 28 12:24:03 Sorry. I didn't know there was a person with this name... Nov 28 12:26:00 has anyone successfully tried running discord on n900 with maemo? Nov 28 12:26:07 It's like having the name "Not Sure": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1P7GMnd38 Nov 28 12:26:30 then again i guess someone needs to make a discord app for maemo first Nov 28 12:26:33 Sure, Nott. Nov 28 12:26:50 Discord plugin for telepathy? Nov 28 12:27:12 Anyway, there are discord-irc gateways in existence. Nov 28 12:27:21 yeah Nov 28 12:27:52 isn't discord used for audio as well? Nov 28 12:28:12 yeah it is Nov 28 12:29:32 if the discord plugin for telepathy supports audio then i assume that could be used Nov 28 12:30:57 there is a libpurple plugin Nov 28 12:33:33 I dont think it implements audio functionalities though Nov 28 13:18:26 ~cssu Nov 28 13:18:27 cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Nov 28 13:19:31 can i upgrade from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing? Nov 28 14:08:36 woo i have CSSU installed Nov 28 14:58:13 * enyc meows Nov 28 15:15:59 * CatButts farts Nov 28 15:17:41 [14:26] then again i guess someone needs to make a discord app for maemo first Nov 28 15:17:44 well Nov 28 15:17:55 there's an outdated pidgin package for maemo Nov 28 15:18:13 and for pidgin, there is a Discord plugin Nov 28 15:24:23 I've yet to try this solution out Nov 28 15:24:41 if pidgin port is anything like KeePassX, I can do without Nov 28 15:27:29 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/screenshot01.png I should look into getting applications to use default GTK/whatever theme Nov 28 15:27:47 without sudo intervention Nov 28 15:27:53 that is Nov 28 15:27:58 sudo keepassx Nov 28 15:27:59 :P Nov 28 15:29:29 I don't give a rat's ass about native Look'n'Feel when it impedes usability Nov 28 15:35:34 [15:19] can i upgrade from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing? Nov 28 15:35:51 I think that goes hand-in-hand with the "Can I uninstall CSSU" Nov 28 15:37:46 no, it doesnt Nov 28 15:37:56 oh, you can switch safely? Nov 28 15:38:08 not supported, but should work Nov 28 15:38:40 since it changes pkg names/versions and repos, it should suck packages just fine Nov 28 15:59:42 i'll probably stick with cssu-stable, but was just wondering Nov 28 16:02:39 wait, why would you sudo keepassx? Nov 28 16:02:57 I dunno Nov 28 16:03:03 let's see Nov 28 16:03:22 ah, here's how it went Nov 28 16:03:31 update cssu-S -> cssu-T *is* supported, pkill9. it's the other way round that's not supported Nov 28 16:03:34 I needed to edit system file Nov 28 16:03:38 sudo leafpad Nov 28 16:03:46 ah ok Nov 28 16:03:47 different theme, crashy app Nov 28 16:03:59 CatButts: you can override gtk theme with .gtkrc in your home dir. even PER APP Nov 28 16:04:11 you dont need to edit system files Nov 28 16:04:23 I needed to edit "some system files" Nov 28 16:04:42 but im referring to you sudoing keepassx Nov 28 16:04:52 for different display Nov 28 16:06:54 hmmmm Nov 28 16:07:47 how far does Maemo's theme engine go? Nov 28 16:08:14 say, if I tried to make a theme that forces no theme except default, globally Nov 28 16:08:22 that is, a theme about nothing Nov 28 16:08:35 are newer versions of pidgin incompatible with maemo or has the maemo package just not been updated? Nov 28 16:08:54 pkill9: too old glibc/gtk on maemo Nov 28 16:09:06 aww that sucks Nov 28 16:09:11 CatButts: you have to write proper overrides probably Nov 28 16:10:55 are newer versions of the backend that pidgin relies on (libpurple?) also incompatible? or is it just pidgin that uses too new of glibc? Nov 28 16:11:20 dont know, just gathering my memories of this channel past talks Nov 28 16:19:14 I keep postponing getting off me lazy bum and learning to operate Maemo SDK Nov 28 16:19:42 is there anything special to 'operate' it? Nov 28 16:20:54 knowing where to start after fresh deployment of vmx image Nov 28 16:21:08 for a diehard windows user, that is something :P Nov 28 16:41:52 oo zenity on maemo is nice :) Nov 28 16:42:05 completely integrated with the touch UI Nov 28 16:42:31 ~zenity Nov 28 16:43:27 oh, make dialogs from bash scripts Nov 28 16:43:42 *call dialogs Nov 28 16:46:24 this will be nice for simple API queries Nov 28 16:49:41 s/API/REST Nov 28 16:51:28 I am a cat person. Nov 28 16:51:33 s/cat/dog Nov 28 16:51:54 it's dead Nov 28 16:51:57 thank you Nov 28 18:44:34 how stable is python 3 for maemo? since it's still in extras-devel Nov 28 18:45:03 there is a python 3? Nov 28 18:45:16 yup Nov 28 18:45:21 has beenf or a while Nov 28 18:45:22 I wasn't aware of python above 2.5 Nov 28 18:45:36 really? Nov 28 18:45:48 * CatButts pushes his rock aside Nov 28 18:45:53 xD Nov 28 18:46:33 I wouldn't mind a final python 2.7 Nov 28 18:46:52 python is my go-to scripting language Nov 28 18:47:57 which 3.x version is pyth... I'll check Nov 28 18:49:33 3.4 Nov 29 00:12:16 <_axonN9pp_> hello good evening, i wrote a python script for my n900. is there a way how i can create an icon for it in the app menu? Nov 29 00:13:14 <_axonN9pp_> I am using it multiple times per day and it is a bit annoying to enter the terminal go to the directory and start it ... Nov 29 00:22:23 oh, yes there is... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 29 03:00:02 2017