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Nov 30 07:47:29 <ilew> Wizzup: If you can't install the latest curl first via apt then install curl libcurl3 via dpkg using the debs from http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/c/curl/
Nov 30 07:50:26 <Wizzup> isn't the problem that the new libcurl was not build for thumb as well?
Nov 30 07:51:31 <bencoh> shouldn't you have both repositories in place with some pinning/preference configuration when using thumb?
Nov 30 07:51:41 <bencoh> (both -testing and -thumb)
Nov 30 07:51:52 <Wizzup> I never did that before
Nov 30 07:52:01 <Wizzup> So that'd be a new thing
Nov 30 07:52:06 <bencoh> I use neither of them, so I'm basically asking
Nov 30 07:52:13 <ilew> Aren't higher versions in test installed over thumb packages?
Nov 30 07:52:41 <Wizzup> ilew: I think that's the problem here. I haven't seen what the new version of curl is, but I wrote the exact dep error in here
Nov 30 07:52:50 <Wizzup> 11:59 < Wizzup> Unable to update 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package'. Conflict with application packages: curl (7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1+thumb1)
Nov 30 07:54:06 <ilew> Wizzup: I think you'll get the same error if you have the non-thumb curl installed before the update.
Nov 30 07:54:49 <Wizzup> Weird
Nov 30 07:54:56 <ilew> Wizzup: Because curl has a dependency on libcurl3 and mp-freemantle-community-pr has a dependency on libcurl3 but not curl.
Nov 30 07:55:10 <Wizzup> mm, so I can remove curl perhaps.
Nov 30 07:55:32 <ilew> But it might try to remove libcurl3 with it?
Nov 30 08:02:21 <Wizzup> Perhaps, yeah.
Nov 30 08:07:00 <ilew> Wizzup: I'll reflash my n900 and try to get the same conflict.
Nov 30 08:14:30 <Wizzup> let me know if you need more info from me
Nov 30 08:14:44 <Wizzup> I'll mention the repos I have activated in a bit, have to do something first
Nov 30 08:37:03 <Vajb> Wizzup: i have same error, but without thumb part
Nov 30 08:37:26 <Vajb> and obviously i don't have thumb installed
Nov 30 08:37:45 <ilew> Vajb: Can you update curl before you install CSSU?
Nov 30 08:37:50 <Vajb> i was planning to try and update curl via apt during weekend
Nov 30 08:38:27 <Vajb> didn't try yet, but apt shows there is newer version of curl to be installed
Nov 30 08:38:56 <Vajb> think i'll install backupmenu first still :)
Nov 30 08:56:24 <ilew> Wizzup: My dev phone can't seem to find my wifi network here. I'll have to test it on the weekend sorry.
Nov 30 09:00:29 <Wizzup> okay, sure :) 
Nov 30 09:07:26 <ilew> Wizzup: Actually try running 'dpkg -r --force-depends curl'
Nov 30 09:09:08 <ilew> That will remove curl but keep libcurl3 installed still.
Nov 30 12:07:23 <DocScrutinizer05> to all Mac users: check your security updates!
Nov 30 12:10:48 <CatButts> mac hack
Nov 30 12:29:12 <sixwheeledbeast> oops, login as root with no password, affects High Sierra.
Nov 30 12:32:13 <sixwheeledbeast> It's considerably less machines affected than Intel's latest vulnerability tho.
Nov 30 18:47:37 <pkill9> would this be a good thing to have in the n900 to reduce chance of usb breaking? https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Lightning-Magnetic-charging-transfer/dp/B074SK7SLG?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B074SK7SLG
Nov 30 18:47:44 <pkill9> sorry for large link
Nov 30 18:48:26 <pkill9> smaller link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Lightning-Magnetic-charging-transfer/dp/B074SK7SLG
Nov 30 18:48:36 <CatButts> hmmmmmm
Nov 30 18:48:42 <CatButts> I'd say yes
Nov 30 18:49:03 <pkill9> think i might get some
Nov 30 18:49:13 <CatButts> I already did the thing involving lotsa solder, though :P
Nov 30 18:49:19 <pkill9> ah hehe
Nov 30 18:50:11 <pkill9> i don't wanna risk soldering, i think i need a soldering iron witha  finer point anyway if i was to fix the usb port ont he n900
Nov 30 18:50:21 <KotCzarny> pkill9: just plug/unplug the usb proper and you will never have usb port problem
Nov 30 18:50:32 <CatButts> I used my clunky 100W one
Nov 30 18:50:48 <KotCzarny> proper being 'no wiggling, no bending'
Nov 30 18:50:48 <CatButts> you need to get camera flex cable out of the way
Nov 30 18:50:53 <pkill9> yeah, i do make sure to be careful when unplugging
Nov 30 18:50:56 <pkill9> and plugging
Nov 30 18:51:38 <pkill9> i just wanna reduce risk as much as possible, n900s are becoming rarer i think :P
Nov 30 18:51:59 <KotCzarny> get few spares, they are cheap, problem solved :P
Nov 30 18:52:05 <pkill9> true :p
Nov 30 18:54:17 <CatButts> what's a convenient way to list applications installed through maemo's HAM to console?
Nov 30 18:54:40 <CatButts> without whatever dependencies they have
Nov 30 19:14:03 <DocScrutinizer05> pkill9: for usbfix you need a decent beefy iron
Nov 30 19:14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys #maemo usb
Nov 30 19:14:29 <infobot> Factoid search of '#maemo usb' by key returned no results.
Nov 30 19:14:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys #maemo usb*
Nov 30 19:14:35 <infobot> Factoid search of '#maemo usb*' by key returned no results.
Nov 30 19:14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> the F...
Nov 30 19:14:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys usb
Nov 30 19:14:52 <infobot> Factoid search of 'usb' by key (18 of 46): 2.4.18 usbnet ;; ibot's usb ;; marcusbrutus ;; musb ;; rdiff-backup-usbstorage ;; speedtouch usb ;; that if his wireless and usb ;; uk usb keyboards ;; unplug-usb ;; usb hci ;; usb howto ;; usb mice ;; usb mouse ;; usb networking ;; usb patch ;; usb-brush ;; usb-fix ;; usb-host.
Nov 30 19:15:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~usb-unplug
Nov 30 19:15:26 <infobot> usb-unplug is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4
Nov 30 19:15:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal usb-unplug
Nov 30 19:15:44 <infobot> "usb-unplug" is "http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4"
Nov 30 19:17:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<CatButts> what's a convenient way to list applications)) do a maemo-backup, then inspect the tarball backup file, it has a list of apps to re-install on restore
Nov 30 19:18:26 <DocScrutinizer05> not as straight as "list to console" but works
Nov 30 19:18:45 <DocScrutinizer05> mc helps a lot
Nov 30 19:19:00 <DocScrutinizer05> mc can browse into tarballs
Nov 30 19:55:11 <Vajb> hey. I got my bluetooth gamepad connected and buttonpresses are registered when i do "cat /dev/input/js0" but drnoksnes is still not seeing it. So obviously i need to tweak some more
Nov 30 19:55:35 <Vajb> do i need to link that said js0 to some event or what should i do?
Nov 30 19:55:57 <KotCzarny> more likely you need to tell the app where your joy is
Nov 30 19:56:06 <Vajb> can i link it to event1 which is already linked to keyboard?
Nov 30 19:56:24 <Vajb> i guess not, but worth to ask
Nov 30 19:57:22 <Vajb> KotCzarny: i believe that is the case, but it seems kinda tricky to find correct place to search for
Nov 30 19:57:26 <KotCzarny> https://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-43050.html
Nov 30 19:57:38 <KotCzarny> yeah, seems it needs some configuration
Nov 30 19:58:11 <KotCzarny> this example probably maps js to kb input
Nov 30 20:00:33 <Vajb> hmm is it safe to link two devices to same event?
Nov 30 20:00:42 <KotCzarny> sure
Nov 30 20:00:59 <KotCzarny> as long you dont sit on the controller and press the buttons uncontrollably
Nov 30 20:01:30 <KotCzarny> on pc the usual way to map js for games was joy2key app
Nov 30 20:03:20 <Vajb> ln whines that event exists already
Nov 30 20:05:24 <Vajb> ln -s js0 event4
Nov 30 20:05:25 <KotCzarny> ahm
Nov 30 20:05:33 <KotCzarny> no, not that event
Nov 30 20:05:38 <Vajb> err 1
Nov 30 20:05:54 <Vajb> it claims ln: file exists
Nov 30 20:06:01 <KotCzarny> i mean, i thought you have used to map js0 to kb events
Nov 30 20:06:32 <Vajb> nope
Nov 30 20:07:03 <KotCzarny> does drsnoksnes support js0 interface?
Nov 30 20:07:20 <Vajb> i don't know
Nov 30 20:07:34 <KotCzarny> try running it with -h or --help param
Nov 30 20:07:44 <KotCzarny> or checking manual page
Nov 30 20:07:49 <Vajb> there is only keyboard option
Nov 30 20:08:22 <KotCzarny> then there is high chance you need app to map js0 into kb events
Nov 30 20:09:18 <KotCzarny> usually using some app
Nov 30 20:09:28 <KotCzarny> check if joy2key is available in repos
Nov 30 20:10:12 <KotCzarny> https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74303
Nov 30 20:10:39 <Vajb> doesn't seem to be in repos
Nov 30 20:14:07 <KotCzarny> lets see if it builds in sb
Nov 30 20:14:29 <KotCzarny> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23380 Nov 30 20:14 joy2key_1.6.3-1_armel.deb
Nov 30 20:14:32 <KotCzarny> want it?
Nov 30 20:14:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 30 20:18:35 <KotCzarny> https://31.135.195.151:20281/n900/joy2key_1.6.3-1_armel.deb
Nov 30 20:18:42 <KotCzarny> compiled in sb without any changes
Nov 30 20:19:05 <KotCzarny> so you can build yourself using files from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/joy2key or grab my deb
Nov 30 20:19:50 <KotCzarny> i didnt remove docs because they are tiny and useful
Nov 30 20:21:05 <Vajb> oh, and it should just work out of the box then? :)
Nov 30 20:21:28 <KotCzarny> well, it would still require you to configure it to map presses to kb codes
Nov 30 20:21:37 <KotCzarny> but yeah, most likely
Nov 30 20:21:57 <KotCzarny> otoh might be useful to remotely control your n900 with gamepad ;)
Nov 30 20:22:51 <KotCzarny> one part where it could fail would be multi key presses, but up for you to test
Nov 30 20:23:14 <Vajb> hey maybe something that would work with oscp as well :)
Nov 30 20:23:36 <KotCzarny> oscp has plethora of methods to control it
Nov 30 20:24:24 <KotCzarny> one could easily write remote app that would read js0/kb and send commands to oscp
Nov 30 20:30:35 <Vajb> hehe ham says it is incompatible
Nov 30 20:30:54 <KotCzarny> huh? built in sdk o.o
Nov 30 20:31:01 <KotCzarny> where's my n900..
Nov 30 20:31:14 * CatButts tries it on his phone that he's about to flash, anyway
Nov 30 20:32:49 <KotCzarny> worked fine with dpkg -i
Nov 30 20:33:37 <CatButts> gui installer doesn't like it
Nov 30 20:33:44 <CatButts> *ham
Nov 30 20:33:55 <KotCzarny> probably missing some maemo specific deb fields
Nov 30 20:34:06 <KotCzarny> and/or using wrong pkg category
Nov 30 20:34:24 <Vajb> i see
Nov 30 20:34:54 <Vajb> hmm also noticed that event4 got created at the same time js0 connects
Nov 30 20:35:46 <Wizzup> this should work with python2.5 if you use the compat mode - https://github.com/MerlijnWajer/uinput-mapper
Nov 30 20:35:55 <Wizzup> I had it packaged for maemo at some point, but I don't know where.
Nov 30 20:36:04 <KotCzarny>  Section: x11
Nov 30 20:36:11 <KotCzarny> might be the reason ham dislikes it
Nov 30 20:36:43 <KotCzarny> anyway, since it doesnt requires anything special you might just go with dpkg -i
Nov 30 20:36:46 <KotCzarny> in this case
Nov 30 20:37:00 <KotCzarny> or even unpack the binary and copy to /usr/local/bin or something
Nov 30 20:50:43 * CatButts lazilly screencaps all pages of HAM installed-app catalog
Nov 30 21:08:36 <CatButts> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348544204072288257/385899863998464000/Screenshot-20171130-210149.png
Nov 30 21:08:39 <CatButts> hmmmm
Nov 30 21:08:41 <CatButts> peculiar
Nov 30 21:15:33 <CatButts> does this have anything to do with recent update, or did I botch something up?
Nov 30 21:15:49 <KotCzarny> you did botch something
Nov 30 21:16:34 <CatButts> I reflashed combined
Nov 30 21:16:43 <CatButts> added muarf_all
Nov 30 21:17:22 <DocScrutinizer05> VSSU isn't included in any of the standrad repos, since it's a repo of its own
Nov 30 21:17:27 <DocScrutinizer05> CSSU even
Nov 30 21:17:46 <DocScrutinizer05> VSSU enabler istalls the CSSU repo
Nov 30 21:17:55 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, CSSU
Nov 30 21:18:09 <CatButts> the .install file comes with this new repo
Nov 30 21:18:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and you install CSSU-enabler by one-click on ~CSSU
Nov 30 21:18:33 <CatButts> I did, from maemo wiki
Nov 30 21:18:58 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously not, after full flash
Nov 30 21:19:30 <DocScrutinizer05> [2017-11-30 Thu 22:16:34] <CatButts> I reflashed combined
Nov 30 21:19:31 <DocScrutinizer05> [2017-11-30 Thu 22:16:43] <CatButts> added muarf_all
Nov 30 21:19:43 <DocScrutinizer05> now fo and install CSSU
Nov 30 21:19:47 <DocScrutinizer05> go*
Nov 30 21:21:01 <CatButts> I am not sure where you are taking me
Nov 30 21:21:17 <CatButts> do I need to reflash emmc as well?
Nov 30 21:21:51 <CatButts> are you saying I reflashed combined AFTER trying to install CSSU?
Nov 30 21:21:54 <DocScrutinizer05> you flashed rootfs and this nuked sources.list(.d/*)
Nov 30 21:22:06 <CatButts> yes
Nov 30 21:22:43 <DocScrutinizer05> so for whatever reason you want to upgrade cssu-enabler, it's not found since the CSSU repo is not in spources.list
Nov 30 21:22:44 <CatButts> then I added muarf all, then tried one-click install file
Nov 30 21:23:48 <DocScrutinizer05> or did you try to one-click install CSSU when that error popped up?
Nov 30 21:24:06 <CatButts> ^yes
Nov 30 21:24:36 <CatButts> using testing variant
Nov 30 21:24:37 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm, I also noticed something very strange: some "os-upgrade"  package
Nov 30 21:24:52 <CatButts> didn't try release
Nov 30 21:24:55 <CatButts> *stable
Nov 30 21:25:03 <DocScrutinizer05> did somebody rename some package on CSSU-T?
Nov 30 21:26:04 <DocScrutinizer05> did anybody *test* the new CSSU-T release?
Nov 30 21:26:10 <CatButts> I did!
Nov 30 21:28:37 <DocScrutinizer05> "Operating System"  WTF?
Nov 30 21:29:36 <DocScrutinizer05> and I can install this thing until I get blue in the face, it stays in "updates" - size 0kB
Nov 30 21:30:54 <DocScrutinizer05> Program: Operating System (magic:sys)  Updates to all system packages
Nov 30 21:33:00 <CatButts> I guess I'll wait, then
Nov 30 21:33:54 <DocScrutinizer05> "Community SSU (testing) enabler  This will install Maemo 5 Community SSu (testing) update"
Nov 30 21:34:52 <DocScrutinizer05> "community-ssu-enabler   Scripts, GPG keys and Zone files for Community SSU catalogs"
Nov 30 21:34:57 <DocScrutinizer05> SIC
Nov 30 21:35:06 <DocScrutinizer05> the latter without icon
Nov 30 21:35:45 <CatButts> I broke Maemo :P
Nov 30 21:36:34 <pkill9> is it possible to connect an external monitor via usb to the n900 and output at higher resolutions?
Nov 30 21:36:43 <Wizzup> https://jmcomms.com/2017/11/29/gemini-pda-20-years-on-meet-the-all-new-psion-series-5/
Nov 30 21:37:47 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC  http://paste.opensuse.org/31097148
Nov 30 21:38:31 <KotCzarny> pkill9: forget about it, single core at 500mhz is already severely limited
Nov 30 21:38:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ükin theory yes, there are USB attached "graphics cards"
Nov 30 21:38:40 <DocScrutinizer05> pkill9: ^^^
Nov 30 21:38:57 <KotCzarny> not to mention memory limited
Nov 30 21:40:57 <pkill9> yeah, i guess a separate device like a raspberry pi would be better
Nov 30 21:40:58 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm I guess "Operating System" only shows with special redpill settings in HAM
Nov 30 21:41:41 <DocScrutinizer05> there's this DisplayPort or whatever it's called
Nov 30 21:42:30 <DocScrutinizer05> it *should* work for text and graphics but for sure will suck badly on refresh rate for video
Nov 30 21:42:49 <DocScrutinizer05> and you'd need a maemo compiled driver for it
Nov 30 21:42:54 <KotCzarny> pkill9: forget about rpi, go orange pi!
Nov 30 21:42:55 <KotCzarny> :
Nov 30 21:42:57 <KotCzarny> )
Nov 30 21:43:31 <CatButts> I've yet to get off me bum and solder the 3.5 to composite cable
Nov 30 21:43:35 <DocScrutinizer05> you're probably better off with mere remote-X11 though
Nov 30 21:43:41 <DocScrutinizer05> via TCP
Nov 30 21:44:05 <pkill9> KotCzarny: looks interesting
Nov 30 21:44:24 <KotCzarny> https://linux-sunxi.org/Table_of_Allwinner_based_boards
Nov 30 21:44:29 <KotCzarny> here, for comparison
Nov 30 21:44:37 <KotCzarny> oranges at the bottom
Nov 30 21:45:02 <KotCzarny> one nice thing is mainline kernel support for a20, h3, h5 etc
Nov 30 21:46:00 <pkill9> seriously tho, $25?? that's so cheap for everything it has
Nov 30 21:46:12 <KotCzarny> consider boards with emmc
Nov 30 21:46:19 <KotCzarny> 30-50MB/s isnt bad
Nov 30 21:46:38 <KotCzarny> much better than sd (which is limited to 22MB/s max)
Nov 30 21:46:59 <KotCzarny> best deal is orange pi pc +2e
Nov 30 21:47:06 <KotCzarny> 16gb emmc, 2gb ram
Nov 30 21:47:07 <KotCzarny> etc
Nov 30 21:47:25 <KotCzarny> still, they are quite weak for the desktop usage
Nov 30 21:47:50 <KotCzarny> good for android toys, movie players, linux home servers etc
Nov 30 21:47:56 <pkill9> yeah
Nov 30 21:48:04 <pkill9> that's what i was thinking of it for
Nov 30 21:48:09 <KotCzarny> you can also get cheap A33 based tablet for ~30-40usd
Nov 30 21:48:25 <pkill9> A33 is CPU?
Nov 30 21:48:28 <TheKit> <Wizzup> https://jmcomms.com/2017/11/29/gemini-pda-20-years-on-meet-the-all-new-psion-series-5/
Nov 30 21:48:37 <KotCzarny> not cpu, soc
Nov 30 21:48:43 <KotCzarny> cpu is either a7 or a53
Nov 30 21:48:47 <pkill9> what's soc?
Nov 30 21:48:55 <TheKit> wonder how Maemo will look on that
Nov 30 21:48:56 <KotCzarny> system-on-chip
Nov 30 21:48:59 <pkill9> ah
Nov 30 21:49:03 <KotCzarny> ie. complete computer in one chip
Nov 30 21:55:23 <Vajb> ok i can't seem to make it fly tonight
Nov 30 21:55:59 <KotCzarny> vajb: make it work in xterm first
Nov 30 21:56:14 <KotCzarny> ie. map the js buttons to some keys a b c d etc
Nov 30 21:56:39 <Vajb> it works there, but now it whines it doesn't have window to send commands to
Nov 30 21:57:09 <KotCzarny> hmm
Nov 30 21:57:19 <KotCzarny> try -x11 switch?
Nov 30 21:57:22 <Vajb> i guess -X is not valid argument in maemo or i need something else
Nov 30 21:57:27 <KotCzarny> erm -X
Nov 30 21:57:39 <Wizzup> TheKit: me too :p 
Nov 30 21:57:47 <Wizzup> TheKit: the res is very high
Nov 30 21:58:49 <KotCzarny> vajb: maybe you can try rootwin as window name
Nov 30 21:59:15 <KotCzarny> or ""
Nov 30 21:59:26 <TheKit> GTK+3 supports HiDPI, but currently only integer-scaling 
Nov 30 22:00:13 <TheKit> with 2x it will be 1080x540
Nov 30 22:00:42 <Vajb> ok will do tomorrow or somewhere around the weekend. Now i better sleep
Nov 30 22:00:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 30 22:02:44 <Wizzup> TheKit: ack
Nov 30 22:02:57 <Wizzup> TheKit: don't think I'll get the device any time soon, but we can just as well test on hdmi on the droid4
Nov 30 22:03:02 * Wizzup zzz :) 
Nov 30 22:03:14 <Wizzup> or just on intel I guess.
Nov 30 22:03:22 <TheKit> not sure what to do about 3D accel about Droid 4
Nov 30 22:04:22 <TheKit> getting PowerVR is a pain, I can have some kind of accel with libhybris, but that requires ancient kernel and Android OpenGL ES 2 driver on Droid 4 is pretty nasty compared to newer devices...
Nov 30 22:04:40 <Wizzup> *nod*
Nov 30 22:27:38 <CatButts> I suppose one disadvantage of magnetic usb connectors is attracting dirt that contains iron :P
Nov 30 22:28:50 <CatButts> but that depends on the environments you take your phone in
Nov 30 22:58:18 <DocScrutinizer05> U recall a few reports that attested crappy quality of all those magnetic USB thingies
Nov 30 22:58:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I*
Nov 30 23:01:29 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway if you get one, please report
Nov 30 23:12:37 <vectis3> I have been using a magnetic usb charger cable for about 6 months now. Not had any issues so far.
Nov 30 23:14:59 <vectis3> On my N900, that is.
Nov 30 23:16:59 <pkill9> vectis3: does it charge from the mains properly? and does it properly transfer data to/from PC, etc properly?
Nov 30 23:18:58 <CatButts> how about flashing phone
Nov 30 23:19:48 <vectis3> I've had no problems charging from the mains. I have used it to load rescueOS.
Nov 30 23:25:37 <vectis3> I loaded rescueOS onto it from my laptop, but that is the only attempt at transfering data with it.
Dec 01 00:10:21 <pkill9-mobile> test
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