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Dec 01 07:13:32 <Vajb> ok. Stuck with joy2key so i tried somehing else. As i told earlier I noticed that /dev/input/keypad is ln -s to dev/input/event1 and that when js0 appears even4 gets created. So i ln -s js0 to event4, but that is still missing something
Dec 01 07:15:10 <Vajb> guess i need something to listen to event4 and passing that to keypad presses, but no idea where to look at
Dec 01 07:16:39 <Vajb> in joy2key the problem is that it can't find the window to direct keypresses to -X doesn't work as an argument and anything else i tried wont work either.
Dec 01 07:17:19 <KotCzarny> ho hum. you might try wmctrl to list the windows then pass the proper window to j2k
Dec 01 07:18:05 <KotCzarny> there is also --scancodes option which might be doing something low level
Dec 01 07:18:44 <Vajb> drnoksnes says it is wm class drnoksnes_startup, but j2k doesn't seem to accept anything but plain -X as window argument
Dec 01 07:20:57 <KotCzarny> what does wmctrl -l says?
Dec 01 07:21:29 <Vajb> wait me to install it first
Dec 01 07:24:03 <Vajb> hildon-status-menu, desktop, lots of hildon-home, 6 times sticky notes widget, 9 times kuvat (pictures in english) and three time x terminal
Dec 01 07:24:16 <KotCzarny> i meant with that emu running
Dec 01 07:24:54 <Vajb> DrNokSnes
Dec 01 07:25:09 <KotCzarny> try to copy paste it into j2k param
Dec 01 07:25:20 <KotCzarny> keep in mind it might need to be the first param
Dec 01 07:25:29 <Vajb> u mean while line?
Dec 01 07:25:34 <Vajb> whole*
Dec 01 07:25:36 <KotCzarny> no, just Dr..
Dec 01 07:25:40 <Vajb> k
Dec 01 07:25:41 <KotCzarny> but case might matter
Dec 01 07:26:36 <Vajb> but there is minor problem. I can't launch wmctrl -l when actual game is running coz it gets killed when ever i unfocus it
Dec 01 07:26:47 <KotCzarny> use ssh?
Dec 01 07:27:03 <Maxdamantus> `ln -s js0 event4` probably isn't useful.
Dec 01 07:27:04 <KotCzarny> for now i would like to just try to make it work
Dec 01 07:27:04 <Vajb> bah :)
Dec 01 07:27:10 <Maxdamantus> js* and event* use different protocols.
Dec 01 07:27:13 <KotCzarny> it could be made into script later
Dec 01 07:27:32 <Maxdamantus> event* is a stream of `struct input_event`s .. js* is something else.
Dec 01 07:28:10 <Vajb> ok i'll try and report back. Now im on my way so can't make any ssh stuff
Dec 01 07:28:54 <Vajb> should i try -X Dr.... or -Dr...?
Dec 01 07:29:03 <Vajb> or even X_Dr
Dec 01 07:29:16 <KotCzarny> just joy2key "DrNokSnes" -someparams
Dec 01 07:29:42 <Maxdamantus> js* is a stream of `struct js_event`s.
Dec 01 07:30:55 <Maxdamantus> So unless some program figures out (by resolving the link, or figuring out the major/minor numbers of the open fd), it's just going to be interpreting nonsense if it opens a "js*" device when expecting an "event*" device or vice-versa.
Dec 01 07:31:27 <Vajb> Maxdamantus: i just tried to copy what somethign which works, does :)
Dec 01 07:32:01 <Maxdamantus> If you're not getting a "js*" device, it'll be because there's nothing in the kernel to create a js device from the input device.
Dec 01 07:32:14 <Vajb> btw isn't gamepad with buttons kinda event device?
Dec 01 07:32:24 <KotCzarny> yes, but js events
Dec 01 07:32:47 <Maxdamantus> Yes, that's why there's usually an event device created as well as a js device.
Dec 01 07:32:51 <Vajb> hmm so i might be missing something from the kernel too?
Dec 01 07:33:06 <Maxdamantus> Different applications can interpret the data from different devices.
Dec 01 07:35:34 <Vajb> when i connect that gamepad it creates js0 and event4 and when i do cat js0 i got jibberish when i press buttons so it works in some level
Dec 01 07:36:34 <Maxdamantus> Okay. If you want a similar thing without jibberish, I suspect `jstest` should be in the maemo repositories .. I think it's part of some SDL package.
Dec 01 07:37:49 <Maxdamantus> Hm, maybe not.
Dec 01 07:37:55 <Vajb> yeah i have it. Failed to make it work and forgot it :D
Dec 01 07:38:14 <Vajb> it is package joystick
Dec 01 07:38:23 <Vajb> and it works with command jstest
Dec 01 07:38:42 <Maxdamantus> Okay, guess my package lists are probably out of date.
Dec 01 07:38:54 <Vajb> i installed and tried to figure how to fire it up, but i was already lost when i typed joy and hit tab
Dec 01 07:39:10 <Maxdamantus> jstest /dev/input/js0
Dec 01 07:39:24 <Maxdamantus> and it should just keep printing the state of the joystick to stdout.
Dec 01 07:39:28 <Vajb> yes i know now :)
Dec 01 07:40:00 <Vajb> but on my way to school so wont be able to test yet
Dec 01 07:40:44 <Vajb> will report back in an 6 hours or so
Dec 01 07:41:58 <Vajb> would be neat to make this work to prevent me of doing something usefull ;)
Dec 01 07:43:05 <KotCzarny> hehe
Dec 01 07:51:33 <Vajb> oh now that i remember. Maemo pdf readers, which i've used, lack one key feature. They don't remember the page were reading
Dec 01 07:52:08 <Vajb> i kinda like the way iPod does that
Dec 01 08:33:00 <Wikiwide>  Bootup reason: 32wd_to . Why did this unexpected reboot occur? What was the problem encountered by watchdog?
Dec 01 08:55:04 <Wikiwide> Why did C FM radio parrot back sounds it heard in microphone, instead of providing radio? Is it because of the headphones having a microphone?
Dec 01 10:26:16 * CatButts patiently waits for CSSU Testing to become installable again
Dec 01 10:38:04 <sixwheeledbeast> Why is it not installable?
Dec 01 10:39:17 <CatButts> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2017-11-30.log.html#t2017-11-30T23:24:37-2
Dec 01 10:39:24 <CatButts> probably starting from here
Dec 01 10:39:43 <CatButts> it tells me that cssu enabler is not found
Dec 01 10:39:57 <CatButts> when using one-click install
Dec 01 10:40:27 <m14ed> There is life on this channel ?
Dec 01 10:40:41 <KotCzarny> define life
Dec 01 10:41:12 <CatButts> meow
Dec 01 10:41:18 <m14ed> I pass on that
Dec 01 10:41:30 <m14ed> define life that is
Dec 01 10:41:39 <CatButts> you should try ##symbian m14ed :P
Dec 01 10:42:08 <CatButts> sorry, I mean #symbian
Dec 01 10:42:46 <CatButts> damned freenode and its double hash fetish
Dec 01 10:43:26 <m14ed> double hash does make sense to old men
Dec 01 10:44:31 <sixwheeledbeast> I was aware of issues with thumb and curl but not that. Was the update tested before release like it normally is?
Dec 01 10:45:07 <CatButts> I tested it :P
Dec 01 10:46:13 <sixwheeledbeast> like a couple of people install it from an alternative repo before it's officially released to iron out problems?
Dec 01 12:45:19 <Vajb> is curl issue still waiting for me to try to update first curla and then cssu?
Dec 01 12:45:28 <Vajb> curl*
Dec 01 13:19:03 <Vajb> ok it seems that jstest gives me sensible data
Dec 01 13:19:21 <Vajb> now i have button values to fill reasonable to j2k
Dec 01 13:23:35 <Wizzup> Vajb: re: curl, try it, and let me know :) 
Dec 01 13:23:59 <Vajb> haha ;)
Dec 01 13:24:46 <Vajb> ok and j2k still fails with "error cant find window to send events to"
Dec 01 13:29:26 <KotCzarny> vajb: even with adding window param?
Dec 01 13:29:40 <Vajb> yes
Dec 01 13:29:49 <KotCzarny> weird
Dec 01 13:30:03 <Vajb> actually there r four new things with drnoksnes running rom
Dec 01 13:30:03 <KotCzarny> you might also try su - user before
Dec 01 13:30:24 <Vajb> nokia-n900 drnoksnes
Dec 01 13:30:57 <Vajb> then n/a drnoksnes - pinball dreams < twice
Dec 01 13:31:12 <Vajb> and n/a sd1_haa window
Dec 01 13:39:35 <Vajb> i am starting to think that i wont be solving this
Dec 01 13:54:16 <KotCzarny> ho hum. n900 doesnt support wifi-n
Dec 01 13:54:19 <KotCzarny> bummer.
Dec 01 13:59:13 <drathir> bg i guess its normal for that time, and rare the power of device...
Dec 01 14:00:55 <KotCzarny> The IEEE has approved the amendment, and it was published in October 2009
Dec 01 14:01:00 <KotCzarny> missed by a year, eh
Dec 01 14:37:25 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, since latest CSSU-T I have audio dropout (reproducible, identical) during charger-plugin-swoosh
Dec 01 14:38:06 <DocScrutinizer05> not that this was a big issue by itself, but it points to a more generic problem
Dec 01 14:41:43 <DocScrutinizer05> recaler totally roins audio since quite some time already. I wonder if something re PolypAudio changed that's causing all this
Dec 01 14:42:01 <DocScrutinizer05> recaller totally ruins*
Dec 01 14:45:57 <Vajb> \o/ i got it to register keypresses!
Dec 01 14:46:14 <Vajb> installing x11-utils was the key
Dec 01 14:46:30 <Vajb> now it works via hexid of the window
Dec 01 14:47:19 <Vajb> now remains to be solved, how to figure out which is the spawning window id when i start rom...
Dec 01 14:57:10 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Dec 01 14:58:27 <DocScrutinizer05> KotCzarny: even today _many_ devices have no 5GHz WLAN, only 2.4GHz
Dec 01 14:59:30 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: i've been playing with gamepad settings on n900...
Dec 01 15:05:18 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer05: 2.4Ghz should be considered dead, though.
Dec 01 15:05:29 <CatButts> why
Dec 01 15:05:43 <teotwaki> Too much interference to get any kind of decent bandwidth.
Dec 01 15:05:53 <DocScrutinizer05> teotwaki: dead? nah, overcrowded
Dec 01 15:06:04 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer05: That's what I meant
Dec 01 15:07:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm pretty happy with everybody and their dog and cat going 2.4, the less mess on 5
Dec 01 15:07:21 <CatButts> meow
Dec 01 15:09:18 <DocScrutinizer05> for your convenience (CSSU-T12):  gconftool -s /apps/osso/status-area-applet-battery/show_charge_charging -t bool true
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Dec 01 15:17:27 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer05: that's the whole point of 5, though. Everyone can use it like crazy, but the shorter spread means you're not as affected.
Dec 01 15:19:06 <KotCzarny> the problem is not bandwidth, but human stupidity
Dec 01 15:19:30 <KotCzarny> make something free, get it thrashed 
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Dec 01 16:39:28 <pkill9> hmm i'd like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZc5gUKcRZA
Dec 01 16:39:55 <pkill9> using orange pi instead of raspberry pi for extra power
Dec 01 17:01:53 <Wikiwide> Tired.
Dec 01 17:37:29 <CatButts> does TV out on the n900 activate automagically when plugged in?
Dec 01 17:37:40 <KotCzarny> yup
Dec 01 17:37:50 <KotCzarny> in clone mode
Dec 01 17:37:53 <CatButts> then my cable is less than automagic
Dec 01 17:38:07 <CatButts> I solder doohickey
Dec 01 17:38:15 <KotCzarny> see pinout
Dec 01 17:38:19 <CatButts> http://pinouts.ru/visual/gen/nokia_n95_tvout.jpg
Dec 01 17:38:40 <KotCzarny> seems ok
Dec 01 17:38:50 <KotCzarny> check for continuity
Dec 01 17:39:57 <KotCzarny> also if you dont have any shorts
Dec 01 17:41:41 <CatButts> seems ok
Dec 01 17:41:56 <CatButts> better put on some shorts :P
Dec 01 17:43:01 <KotCzarny> btw. orange pi uses same av cable pinout
Dec 01 17:54:34 <CatButts> does any symbol appear when TV-out is engaged?
Dec 01 17:55:21 <KotCzarny> dont remember, let me check
Dec 01 17:59:54 <KotCzarny> no symbol, but if you click on systray area (clock) it will have tv item
Dec 01 18:00:06 <KotCzarny> and will say 'tv enabled' 
Dec 01 18:02:03 <KotCzarny> but it will only show when you plug the yellow cable somewhere
Dec 01 18:03:16 <CatButts> can I plug only yellow cable?
Dec 01 18:03:22 <KotCzarny> yup
Dec 01 18:03:36 <CatButts> I'll short it to see what happan
Dec 01 18:03:45 <KotCzarny> it was enough to plug the yellow one in the usb grabber, doesnt have to be plugged to pc
Dec 01 18:05:56 <CatButts> shorting yellow cable gives me headset symbol
Dec 01 18:06:20 <KotCzarny> plug it into some grabber card?
Dec 01 18:06:44 <CatButts> plugged it into TV
Dec 01 18:06:50 <CatButts> nada on AV
Dec 01 18:07:12 <pkill9> CatButts: you need to plug the TV out cable into TV first, then plug into n900
Dec 01 18:07:35 <CatButts> did as well
Dec 01 18:07:40 <pkill9> ok
Dec 01 18:07:47 <pkill9> just checking :P
Dec 01 18:19:01 <CatButts> oh wait
Dec 01 18:19:06 <CatButts> TV says
Dec 01 18:19:27 <CatButts> Video | L Audio R
Dec 01 18:19:29 <CatButts> OUT
Dec 01 18:19:36 <CatButts> not IN
Dec 01 18:19:40 <CatButts> fun
Dec 01 18:19:45 <KotCzarny> you suck? ;)
Dec 01 18:19:59 <KotCzarny> pray you didnt fry anything
Dec 01 18:21:17 * CatButts covers his willy in tin foil and sticks it in the mains outlet
Dec 01 18:21:47 <kalin> hi all :)
Dec 01 18:21:55 <CatButts> uh, hello
Dec 01 18:22:31 <kalin> did someone help me to install boot menu on my N900 pr1.3
Dec 01 18:35:15 <CatButts> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP7P6g2VwAAoEG1.jpg:orig unrelated
Dec 01 19:21:12 <kalin> i have installed boot menu
Dec 01 19:21:39 <kalin> but i have no option to boot from sd card
Dec 01 19:34:16 <DocScrutinizer05> let me put it this way: noot menu doesn't create options, it provides the options you configured
Dec 01 19:34:51 <DocScrutinizer05> boot menu*
Dec 01 19:35:37 <DocScrutinizer05> also actually boot menu isn't to select different boot systems. You use uBoot for that
Dec 01 19:37:51 <CatButts> does uBoot make BootMenu redundant?
Dec 01 19:38:03 <DocScrutinizer05> alas uBoot comes with a wizard that creates uBoot boot entries from bootmenu file tree structure entries, which makes uBoot look like it was related to bootmenu, which it absolutely isn't
Dec 01 19:38:59 <DocScrutinizer05> CatButts: no, botmenu is *after* kernel booted, just vefore "init" starts
Dec 01 19:39:26 <kalin> i installed Fanoush BootMenu 
Dec 01 19:39:31 <CatButts> I mean, if you have uBoot, would you even need BootMenu?
Dec 01 19:40:02 <kalin> uBoot does'nt rise in app manager
Dec 01 19:40:06 <DocScrutinizer05> so bootmenu is pretty much the first regular program that runs *after* boot, while uBoot is a boot manager running to load kernel
Dec 01 19:41:01 <kalin> so what i can do to boot from sd card?
Dec 01 19:45:01 <pkill9> bootmenu is the thing that backs up your rootfs + optfs right?
Dec 01 19:45:56 <DocScrutinizer05> basically yes. bootmenu starts backupmenu
Dec 01 19:46:11 <pkill9> uboot lets you load different kernels, whereas bootmenu is kinda attached to the main kernel
Dec 01 19:46:31 <DocScrutinizer05> kalin: learn how to create a uBoot entry pointing to your kernel and rootgs on uSD
Dec 01 19:46:43 <DocScrutinizer05> roofs even
Dec 01 19:46:48 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Dec 01 19:47:32 <CatButts> card must be formated in ext2/3 yes?
Dec 01 19:47:41 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Dec 01 19:47:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd think yes
Dec 01 19:48:00 <kalin> DocScrutinizer05, i have no uBoot in app manager
Dec 01 19:48:06 <DocScrutinizer05> at least one of the partitions
Dec 01 19:48:19 <pkill9> if you have correct version of uboot, it can be formatted to ext4
Dec 01 19:48:57 <DocScrutinizer05> kalin: you probably won't install uBoot from app manager
Dec 01 19:49:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~uboot
Dec 01 19:49:12 <infobot> N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
Dec 01 19:49:45 <CatButts> I like siamese
Dec 01 19:50:12 <kalin> ok
Dec 01 19:50:48 <kalin> did someone booted ubuntu mobile or arc linux from sd?
Dec 01 19:51:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm pretty sure, yes
Dec 01 19:51:23 <CatButts> drivers are probably main caveat
Dec 01 19:51:32 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, sure
Dec 01 19:51:55 <kalin> now i put kubuntu image with dd to sd card
Dec 01 19:52:07 <kalin> but never try this
Dec 01 20:01:28 <pkill9> yeah i have kalin
Dec 01 20:01:38 <pkill9> i documented all the issues i encountered
Dec 01 20:02:16 <pkill9> if you're interested kalin https://github.com/pkillnine/n900-ALarm/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
Dec 01 20:03:29 <pkill9> i don't use it tho, i switched back to CSSU maemo
Dec 01 20:43:51 <ilew> DocScrutinizer51: ping
Dec 01 20:45:09 <ilew> merlin1991: ping
Dec 01 20:49:00 <ilew> Are you able to update the file: 'http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/community-testing-fremantle.install' and change the package line to 'package = community-ssu-enabler-testing'? doing that will fix the problem CatButts' is having.
Dec 01 20:50:10 <CatButts> ilew: pong
Dec 01 20:51:12 <CatButts> I'll give that a spin
Dec 01 20:52:03 <ilew> CatButts: Cheers
Dec 01 20:53:56 <Maxdamantus> It's probably not going to just work putting a kubuntu image on the SD card.
Dec 01 20:55:47 <Maxdamantus> You'd probably need to continue using your own kernel/modules, where you'd boot the system to the point where you can chroot/pivot_root and execv the desired init.
Dec 01 20:58:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ilew: I'm not in the position to do this. Plase ask merlin1991
Dec 01 20:58:34 <ilew> Wizzup: Vajb: Just tested on my dev device, running "apt-get install curl" will fix the dependency and allow you to do the CSSU update.
Dec 01 20:59:51 <DocScrutinizer05> or, in emergency, ask techstaff aka warfare, xes
Dec 01 21:00:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ilew: anyway, you should evaluate who's *responsible* for that domain
Dec 01 21:01:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd assume resp edu-guess from URL that it's merlin1991
Dec 01 21:01:36 <ilew> DocScrutinizer05: I don't think being unable to install CSSU testing to be an emergency. So I'll just send merlin1991 an email.
Dec 01 21:03:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ilew: who prepared and published T12?
Dec 01 21:04:36 <ilew> DocScrutinizer05: I prepared and pushed it, but merlin1991 ran the import process because I don't have access to the box.
Dec 01 21:04:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I see
Dec 01 21:05:04 <DocScrutinizer05> so it's basically you who's responsible
Dec 01 21:05:36 <ilew> Yes, but no permission to do anything about it.
Dec 01 21:05:47 <DocScrutinizer05> should fix that
Dec 01 21:06:12 <DocScrutinizer05> seems there's an organizational issue
Dec 01 21:06:29 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: ping
Dec 01 21:06:54 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: are you aware of what's going on with responsibility for repo VM?
Dec 01 21:07:15 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: should ilew have access to that VM?
Dec 01 21:09:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ilew: isn'
Dec 01 21:09:34 <DocScrutinizer05> t that a topic for #maemo-ssu?
Dec 01 21:11:40 <ilew> DocScrutinizer05: People were reporting problems with CSSU updates/installs here, so I thought I'd mention it here just so people can see someone is working on it.
Dec 01 21:12:35 <CatButts> ilew: it worked
Dec 01 21:15:09 <ilew> CatButts: Great, enjoy the new update and thanks for confirming the fix.
Dec 01 21:16:46 <pkill9> i really need to setup maemo SDK
Dec 01 21:17:06 <KotCzarny> just grab vm image of the sdk?
Dec 01 21:20:42 <pkill9> hmm yeah i will, i thought it would be a lot slower
Dec 01 21:22:54 <KotCzarny> if you knew how and what, simple chroot fits in ~300MB
Dec 01 21:23:10 <KotCzarny> i have pasted the link somewhere in t.m.o
Dec 01 21:25:21 <pkill9> i got scratchbox and ran the run_this_frst.sh and sbox_adduser.sh scripts
Dec 01 21:25:24 <CatButts> is the battery indicator fix suppose to be turned on manually or does it come automagically with update?
Dec 01 21:25:37 <pkill9> but i didn't move it to a suitable directory, it's just in my downloads directory
Dec 01 21:25:54 <pkill9> i dunno if it registered that as the location somewhere
Dec 01 21:26:22 <pkill9> what's the battery indicator fix CatButts?
Dec 01 21:27:37 <CatButts> >When charging, reflect charge status in icon (e.g. battery half full: only upper half of icon animated); 
Dec 01 21:27:49 <CatButts> oh yeah, needs manual enable
Dec 01 21:36:55 <CatButts> oh, the AV cable is working fine, I was just putting it in the wrong holes :P
Dec 01 21:37:18 <pkill9> oh yeah that bothers me lol
Dec 01 21:37:38 <CatButts> what's a gconf?
Dec 01 21:38:48 <pkill9> gnome's config system i think
Dec 01 21:39:11 <CatButts> >Can be enabled/disabled with gconf key /apps/osso/status-area-applet-battery/show_charge_charging 
Dec 01 21:59:09 <Wizzup> ilew: OK, will try that now
Dec 01 22:46:12 <Wizzup> ilew: upgrade completed
Dec 01 22:52:33 <ilew> Wizzup: Thanks for confirming.
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