**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 06 03:00:00 2017 Dec 06 08:15:12 i did apt-get install curl and it pulled libcurl3. After that cssu update went through in ham. All seems to be fine now. Dec 06 09:46:33 Vajb: kk but what about thumb variant? Dec 06 10:05:55 enyc: no idea. I don't use thumb. I had problem installing newest cssu update. Dec 06 10:07:17 okies Dec 06 10:07:27 are there other maemo dev channles or so i might want to know about? Dec 06 10:07:32 join #fptf Dec 06 10:07:43 there was some freematle porting channel something i forget Dec 06 10:08:36 in topic there is #maemo-ssu Dec 06 10:09:50 Done another spam zap on WMO and protected QBW page to unregistered, it's the 3-4 time in a row it's been hit so seems sensible. Dec 06 10:10:50 ~fptf Dec 06 10:10:50 fptf is probably the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Dec 06 10:11:22 some other channel i frequent has one useful feature that after registeration user is in group 'none' and cannot do any edits until he/she is placed by an admin in 'people' group Dec 06 10:11:42 maybe it might be implemented easily in wmo? Dec 06 10:13:50 I have been told our medaiwiki version is very old and doesn't have a lot of the anti-spam features available in new version. there is also integration with midgard that made it more difficult to upgrade Dec 06 10:16:14 still, might be worth checking if it has user groups with rights management Dec 06 10:20:14 this is all information I recall from during/slightly after migration when I started "looking after" the wiki. Dec 06 10:21:05 Issue is with unregistered users but as it's a wiki I do not wish to block all unregistered users if I can help it. Dec 06 10:24:16 Also anything to do with user groups and users would have to be done by sysop not admin Dec 06 10:25:32 Unregistered users cannot create pages only edit and read existing. Dec 06 11:00:04 it seems that apt has some updates still. I guess they are not ready and hence not included in newest cssu-testing? Dec 06 11:17:50 if you block unregistered users, spam bot will register Dec 06 11:17:56 pointless Dec 06 11:18:49 not true, it requires additional work for them, which means they often go for low profile targets with autoreg Dec 06 11:23:57 Tired. With the bike rentals popping up here - obike, reddygo, mobike, ofo - it would be neat to have one bike rental app to fit them all, with plugins if required. So far, their official apps only support Android and iOS. I wonder if Apkenv is going to be compiled for Maemo 5 soon... Dec 06 11:31:09 Also, in the photo http://imgbin.ca/image.uploads/06-12-2017/original-152c5395e0cf4016861191e87bc20382.jpg The black wire detached its soldered end from green PCB, delayered it, wavers up and down, making the circuit extremely unreliable, as in, functioning only with active and patient human intervention. How to fix it? I don't think this kind of damage is fixable by more soldering. Well, maybe... Dec 06 11:32:34 Just some solar-powered Christmas lights. Typical "made in China, use once and then see it falling apart and throw it away" circuitry. Dec 06 11:33:33 well, since it looks like ground, you can probably solder it to the other pin, unless there is something on the other side Dec 06 11:34:11 i thinke there is conducting glue too available Dec 06 11:35:01 Conducting glue... Don't think we have it at home. Makerspace is closed, for semester break in University. Dec 06 11:37:58 It's night here, will probably try more things in the morning when my mind is more alive. I just quite distrust soldering in my hands as means to restore something to "like new" state. Wish the PCBs were either more like LEGO, or indestructible. Dec 06 11:38:37 i suck at soldering too Dec 06 11:39:07 usually i use screw-in connectors and adapters, and generally order things pre-soldered Dec 06 11:40:08 Probably matter of tools. If it was like a 3D printer, done by machine with human thinking of coordinates and overseeing the process, then it would be less affected by shaking hands. Dec 06 11:42:30 Good night. May your hardware never break, and your software work unbugged. Dec 06 11:42:40 :) Dec 06 11:50:49 ~ssh Dec 06 11:50:49 hmm... ssh is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH, or http://www.openssh.org Dec 06 11:50:58 eh Dec 06 11:51:42 https://wiki.maemo.org/SSH#Server Dec 06 11:51:49 I'm stuck at this point Dec 06 11:52:25 define 'stuck' Dec 06 11:52:53 because ssh package in repos enable ssh server too Dec 06 11:53:08 so it's on by default? Dec 06 11:53:28 and I don't need to enable it myself? Dec 06 11:53:34 if you install it, yeah Dec 06 11:53:42 ah, good Dec 06 11:53:49 unless you already broke the config Dec 06 11:53:50 :) Dec 06 11:53:57 purrhaps not Dec 06 11:54:13 I generated keys Dec 06 11:54:30 try apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server Dec 06 11:54:38 maybe it will work out of the box Dec 06 11:55:26 22 is default port, yes? Dec 06 11:55:34 yes Dec 06 11:55:39 I will try and connect Dec 06 11:56:11 check with: netstat -antuw|grep 22 if anything is listening on device Dec 06 12:06:07 tcp 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Dec 06 12:08:00 looks good Dec 06 12:08:38 say, there was an utility in the repos Dec 06 12:08:44 I can't find it no more Dec 06 12:09:06 it would allow you to view your IP Dec 06 12:09:24 as well as order activation of an USB network Dec 06 12:09:26 links --dump google.com/?q=whatismyip Dec 06 12:09:51 oh wait, you talk about local ip Dec 06 12:09:57 yes Dec 06 12:09:58 ifconfig/ip Dec 06 12:10:15 you can wrap it in any pygtk script and be done Dec 06 12:10:30 could be one-liner even Dec 06 12:17:52 I am currently trying to set up an adhoc wireless connection from laptop to phone Dec 06 12:18:17 if you only want to do things temporarily use usbnet Dec 06 12:18:25 ~usbnet Dec 06 12:18:25 usbnet is probably at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/, or at http://zorian.kicks-ass.org/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz, or http://handhelds.org/~mallum/usbnet-2.4.20.patch, or dhcp over usbnet, ... Dec 06 12:18:41 interdasting Dec 06 12:19:16 is this the way to share device internet for laptop? Dec 06 12:20:45 I'm probably going to have to sort my apt-get headache first Dec 06 12:20:59 for which, I ssh into phone Dec 06 12:24:03 * CatButts stack traces his troubles Dec 06 12:24:47 vajb: usbnet is normal ipv4 interface, but you will need some firewall rules to make it work in your case i think Dec 06 12:25:21 CatButts: for ssh over wifi its best to lower power savings from max to moderate Dec 06 12:25:29 otherwise it will be very laggy Dec 06 12:26:32 make a python script for somethign but want py2.7 first-> broken partial package preventing me from installing py and other things -> try to ssh into device -> try to adhoc-wifi from PC -> you are here Dec 06 12:27:21 i think adhoc wifi should work for n900, there is even hotspot app for that Dec 06 12:27:38 obviously only good for testing/unsafe things Dec 06 12:27:50 does it allow WPA? Dec 06 12:28:49 not that i know of Dec 06 12:29:12 *none Dec 06 12:31:59 I lowered PC's adhoc to WEP instead of WPA2-Personal and it seemed to work Dec 06 12:32:20 desktop widget for IP shows nothing Dec 06 12:32:26 weird Dec 06 12:32:47 unconfigured interface? Dec 06 12:34:09 so if i am restricted to only internet provided by mobile, what would i do? Dec 06 12:34:28 well can always insert my sim to laptop tho Dec 06 12:34:38 you want to share phone net to PC? Dec 06 12:34:53 look into 'thetering' then Dec 06 12:36:38 alright, thx Dec 06 12:48:11 ~literal usbnet Dec 06 12:48:11 "usbnet" is "at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/, or at http://zorian.kicks-ass.org/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz, or http://handhelds.org/~mallum/usbnet-2.4.20.patch, or dhcp over usbnet, ... Dec 06 12:50:15 [2017-12-05 Tue 19:00:08] dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: No such file or directory [2017-12-05 Tue 19:00:52] dpkg: error processing php5-common (--purge): [2017-12-05 Tue 19:01:20] subproccess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 Dec 06 12:50:44 check for the accordingly named script in apt/dpkg "cache", fix that script to not return error Dec 06 12:53:02 /var/lib/dpkg/info/*php*.postrm Dec 06 13:11:01 I have arrived to conclusion that n900 cannot connect to adhoc wifis with WPA2-Personal Dec 06 13:11:09 only WEP Dec 06 13:11:25 you know that adhoc doesnt come with wpa in any way? Dec 06 13:12:04 * CatButts scratches head Dec 06 13:14:43 WPA2 appears to be an option when I set it up on PC Dec 06 13:15:07 yes, but there is no wpa/wpa2 with adhoc mode Dec 06 13:15:15 simply because it's not compatible Dec 06 13:15:25 there must be master(ap) Dec 06 13:16:00 so most likely your pc will set itself as ap Dec 06 13:16:35 I see meow Dec 06 13:16:39 also, windows 7 Dec 06 13:16:51 unless things have changed Dec 06 13:17:28 and there is some extension hack Dec 06 13:22:15 so it's somethingsomethingnonstandard Dec 06 13:28:09 cant get info how secure is wpa over adhoc Dec 06 13:35:49 i think it's just wep with a bit stronger hash, but still, encrypted with weak algo and static key, so not secure Dec 06 14:04:53 errrr Dec 06 14:05:04 >login as:_ Dec 06 14:05:18 what is the N900's default username Dec 06 14:05:32 what are you using/ ssh? Dec 06 14:05:33 user Dec 06 14:05:44 yes Dec 06 14:06:01 isnt logging as user pointless? Dec 06 14:06:07 1/ it doesnt have a password Dec 06 14:06:15 2/ probably disabled because of 1 Dec 06 14:06:25 3/ setting password will break maemo i think Dec 06 14:06:28 so just use root Dec 06 14:06:38 you are going to do root work anyway Dec 06 14:07:16 it asked you for root password when installing ssh server afair Dec 06 14:09:46 yeah, couldn't log into user Dec 06 14:09:57 root it is Dec 06 14:12:05 php5-common.postrm, found it Dec 06 14:12:15 ugh, vi Dec 06 14:12:29 can't launch leafpad, can I :P ? Dec 06 14:15:58 bit hard Dec 06 14:16:10 install nano pico or mc Dec 06 14:16:18 (mc has mcedit) Dec 06 14:16:50 yeah, nano I can get along with Dec 06 14:18:13 Dec 06 14:19:02 sorry about that, the cat stepped on the keyboard Dec 06 14:19:27 nothing wrong with vi... Why would a user password be an issue in Maemo? Dec 06 14:19:52 swb: my memory cloudly remember it was an issue Dec 06 14:20:10 *remembers Dec 06 14:20:30 hmm Dec 06 14:23:15 errrrr Dec 06 14:27:48 undo in nano is recent adition, yes? Dec 06 14:39:28 https://pastebin.com/TCzrwRVG looks fairly sane to me Dec 06 14:39:43 perhaps move the exit 0 a bit closer :P Dec 06 14:39:49 to start Dec 06 14:41:42 same error Dec 06 14:41:56 remove set -e Dec 06 14:42:27 I placed exit 0 before set -e Dec 06 14:42:35 will try Dec 06 14:43:30 #set -e Dec 06 14:43:35 same error Dec 06 14:44:59 hash is comment character in bash, yes? Dec 06 14:46:03 yes Dec 06 14:48:53 * CatButts manually executes the rm Dec 06 14:49:31 but that changes nothing Dec 06 14:51:46 I don't understand apt-get Dec 06 14:52:22 it doesn't allow me to carry an operation on some package because fault in unrelated package Dec 06 14:53:06 if I try to purge php5-common, it tells me cvm is missing unzip dependency Dec 06 14:53:39 if I try to install unzip, it tells me it can't because php5-common's left bollock is itchy Dec 06 14:53:47 lol Dec 06 14:55:04 this is n900 yes? Dec 06 14:55:07 yes Dec 06 14:55:36 I have no idea how php5 got in there in the first place! Dec 06 14:55:53 apt can cause a dependency mess in Maemo, that's why it's not recommended Dec 06 14:56:19 install unzip via dpkg -i ? Dec 06 14:56:30 > apt-get headache Dec 06 14:56:36 E: Invalid operation aspirin Dec 06 14:56:59 you can also try force options to uninstall php5 Dec 06 14:57:05 I did Dec 06 14:57:15 the -f switch Dec 06 14:58:17 doesn't dpkg require a deb file? Dec 06 14:58:25 um, -f is not force switch Dec 06 14:58:37 derp Dec 06 14:58:38 -f is fix-broken Dec 06 14:58:51 --force-yes Dec 06 14:58:51 Force yes; this is a dangerous option that will cause apt to continue without prompting if it is doing something potentially harmful. It should Dec 06 14:58:51 not be used except in very special situations. Using force-yes can potentially destroy your system! Configuration Item: APT::Get::force-yes. Dec 06 14:59:17 but you can also use dpkg directly to remove php5 Dec 06 15:00:35 php5-common Dec 06 15:03:46 > dpkg --force-all -r php5-common Dec 06 15:03:48 same Dec 06 15:04:07 what is the error? Dec 06 15:05:01 https://pastebin.com/Am7WbkhW Dec 06 15:05:15 CatButts: make "rm -rf /var/lib/php5" -> "rm -rf /var/lib/php5||:" Dec 06 15:05:58 * CatButts tries Dec 06 15:06:18 I slapped an 'exit 0' before that line, though Dec 06 15:06:19 don't move "exit 0" !!! you don't want the script to exit before it has done its thing, no? Dec 06 15:06:55 I want it to just say 'yes sir, donedid' and move on Dec 06 15:07:15 if need be, I will manually remove the file/folder Dec 06 15:07:29 hmm, but it says there is no postrm script for php5-common Dec 06 15:07:33 if i see it correctly Dec 06 15:07:45 what is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-common.postrm ? Dec 06 15:07:52 CatButts: (( [2017-12-06 Wed 15:48:53] * CatButts manually executes the rm [2017-12-06 Wed 15:49:31] but that changes nothing )) of course not. The problem isn't that rm can't remove an existing dir, the problem is rm vlowing chunks since there's already no dir to remove Dec 06 15:08:06 dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: No such file or directory Dec 06 15:08:11 maually removing the dir doesn't help shit. manually CREATE it rather! ;-) Dec 06 15:08:23 so either it wasnt installed correctly, or you have removed it Dec 06 15:08:30 or package is just broken Dec 06 15:08:37 what if I just remove the rm Dec 06 15:09:00 I commented it out and executed Dec 06 15:09:23 I am thinking that no matter what I do to this script, same thing will happen Dec 06 15:09:34 so maybe the break is somewhere else in chain Dec 06 15:09:48 CatButts: can you check if there is postrm script? Dec 06 15:10:02 or you changed permissions of the file Dec 06 15:10:17 nah, it would say not-executable in error Dec 06 15:10:18 Nokia-N900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# nano php5-common.postrm Dec 06 15:10:24 it clearly says 'no file' Dec 06 15:10:32 shebang looks weird >>#! /bin/bash<< but that's not a problem yet Dec 06 15:10:56 she move, she move Dec 06 15:11:00 ooooh baby, she move Dec 06 15:11:02 aiui rm says "no such file" Dec 06 15:11:17 dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: No such file or directory Dec 06 15:11:44 CatButts: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-common.postrm ? Dec 06 15:11:45 subproccess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 Dec 06 15:12:11 and what's https://pastebin.com/TCzrwRVG then? Dec 06 15:12:21 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 90 Dec 6 17:11 /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-common.postrm Dec 06 15:12:36 also, that line would clearly execute with --purge Dec 06 15:12:38 looks good Dec 06 15:13:03 can you try removing first line? Dec 06 15:13:07 that shebang one Dec 06 15:13:11 HUH???? Dec 06 15:13:13 or just add space after # Dec 06 15:13:14 why? Dec 06 15:13:20 what?? Dec 06 15:13:29 just to make sure it's not about it trying to run /bin/bash Dec 06 15:13:40 hmmmmmm Dec 06 15:13:47 make that #!/bin/sh Dec 06 15:13:54 !!!!! Dec 06 15:14:10 anyway, package is shit Dec 06 15:14:11 bin/bash is bullshit Dec 06 15:14:13 and should be fixed Dec 06 15:14:16 obviously. Dec 06 15:14:19 where did you get it? Dec 06 15:14:26 fails when bash not installed Dec 06 15:15:32 lololololol Dec 06 15:15:39 #!/bin/sh Dec 06 15:15:46 well, it shouldnt, because there is a space after #!, but somehow it tries to run bin bash Dec 06 15:15:48 now when garbled shebang, weiiiiird things happen, particularly gibberish error messages like "foo.postrm - no such file" while evidently it's there Dec 06 15:15:54 I should make a symbolic link Dec 06 15:16:01 no, you shouldnt Dec 06 15:16:05 they are incompatible Dec 06 15:16:13 but you can install bash from repo Dec 06 15:16:16 no, fix shebang Dec 06 15:16:21 or that Dec 06 15:16:37 though apt-get won't do shit until this is fixed Dec 06 15:17:04 apt-get bash head Dec 06 15:17:19 i think the oackage name is gnu-bash or something Dec 06 15:17:30 no Dec 06 15:17:38 also doesn't matter Dec 06 15:17:39 right. there is bash Dec 06 15:17:50 wonder if it install bash3 or 4 Dec 06 15:17:55 because there are both Dec 06 15:17:55 fix the damn postrm shebang Dec 06 15:18:07 4 is OK Dec 06 15:18:28 though has no "help" anymore Dec 06 15:18:31 :-/ Dec 06 15:18:38 I fixed it Dec 06 15:18:45 no, we did :P Dec 06 15:18:51 phphew removed Dec 06 15:18:57 you fixed it Dec 06 15:19:02 I typed Dec 06 15:19:05 there Dec 06 15:19:05 now answer where did you get that package Dec 06 15:19:20 it's a mystery Dec 06 15:19:20 * DocScrutinizer05 fetches the RM-hammer Dec 06 15:19:27 because it's clearly just compiled without any checking Dec 06 15:20:33 ~pkg Dec 06 15:20:33 hmm... pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 06 15:20:35 [16:55] I have no idea how php5 got in there in the first place! Dec 06 15:21:02 sorry still no better URL Dec 06 15:21:09 http://tinyurl.com/y8oh2rru Dec 06 15:21:18 catbutts: anyway, playing with apt-get directly requires some knowledge and being prepared to fix system Dec 06 15:21:48 fun, bugtracker is set to php.net Dec 06 15:21:54 http://maemo.org/packages/view/php5-common/ Dec 06 15:21:55 guy didnt change it Dec 06 15:22:07 and 2013 is long time ago Dec 06 15:22:07 I won't learn to make omelete without breaking some eggs! Dec 06 15:22:27 CatButts: THATS the spirit :-))) Dec 06 15:22:28 even 2010 Dec 06 15:22:48 bbl home Dec 06 15:23:18 there should be a button in that packages/view/ that would add a 'this package is broken, warning' Dec 06 15:24:46 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/php5/php5-common_5.2.6-6maemo5_armel.deb ->control.tar.gt -> postm ==> "#! /bin/bash" Dec 06 15:25:24 though!!!! >>5.2.6-6maemo5 * Replacing utterly broken, uninstallable package, with uninstallable dummy Piotr Jawidzyk 2012-05-27 23:31 UTC<< Dec 06 15:25:34 HAHA, not really Dec 06 15:29:49 * DocScrutinizer05 is tempted to hit the almighty "DELETE" button on http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/php5/php5-common_5.2.6-6maemo5_armel.deb Dec 06 15:30:02 can't edit comment Dec 06 15:30:09 fsck midgard Dec 06 15:40:08 ohmy, fsckit!!! maemo.org > Packages > Fremantle Extras-devel free armel > Php5-common 5.2.6-6maemo5 Dec 06 15:40:15 ~extras-devel Dec 06 15:40:15 it has been said that extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Dec 06 15:40:17 sowhat? Dec 06 15:40:42 extras-devel packages are *often* flawed Dec 06 15:41:06 but being flawed for 7 years is enough reason to do something about it? Dec 06 15:41:11 that's why you usually don't install from extras-devel Dec 06 15:41:39 KotCzarny: go ahead. There's definitely a "ask to become maintainer" or somesuch button Dec 06 15:42:02 will probably do, once my todo list scrolls far enough, heh Dec 06 15:42:33 >>Request to be maintainer of this package<< Dec 06 15:42:59 * DocScrutinizer05 can't see which nutsbag would want php5 on N900, but... Dec 06 15:45:36 php is quite nice c-like scripting language Dec 06 15:45:48 great for quick, one-off scripts Dec 06 15:46:03 for efficiency i usually rewrite them in c Dec 06 15:46:27 but for initial poc tasks it's great Dec 06 15:48:05 offtopic, but some fun reading: https://www.reddit.com/r/linusrants/ Dec 06 15:49:54 how simple would it be to compile PyQt4 for python3.4 (which is in extra-devel)? Dec 06 15:50:05 and also i guess sip Dec 06 15:50:13 since it uses that Dec 06 16:27:44 KotCzarny: php is maybe great for those who know that stuff, but for sure it's litwerally not nice to poor little N900 Dec 06 16:27:55 not true Dec 06 16:28:13 bash is worse, really Dec 06 16:28:18 lol Dec 06 16:28:23 s/bash/shell scripting/ Dec 06 16:28:23 KotCzarny meant: shell scripting is worse, really Dec 06 16:28:28 aiui PHP is OO Dec 06 16:28:35 nope Dec 06 16:28:38 s/is/can be/ Dec 06 16:28:39 with GC and all shenaningans Dec 06 16:28:43 yes Dec 06 16:28:48 I noticed the existence of php5 on my n900 when I checked for free space on RootFS Dec 06 16:28:49 :p Dec 06 16:29:03 CatButts: did you ever flash clean this device? Dec 06 16:29:07 "how the hell did this get here, I didn't ordered it" Dec 06 16:29:17 you mean emmc+ combined? Dec 06 16:29:21 yes Dec 06 16:29:31 then it's your doing Dec 06 16:29:54 you should always check what dependencies app tries to pull Dec 06 16:30:08 I probably did it in my sleep! Dec 06 16:31:02 http://paste.opensuse.org/97201992 Dec 06 16:32:12 http://paste.opensuse.org/11681858 Dec 06 16:33:00 you probably should update your locate db Dec 06 16:36:42 yeah, eventually Dec 06 16:36:53 updatedb Dec 06 16:36:57 eats battery Dec 06 16:37:12 should shedule it on charge-state Dec 06 16:37:27 1.5year is quite a bit if you use locate command often Dec 06 16:37:59 not that often Dec 06 16:38:15 I know location of pretty much better half of all my files Dec 06 16:43:36 I still can't remember, for the life of me Dec 06 16:43:41 the name of that one package Dec 06 16:43:49 why not use 'find' then? Dec 06 16:44:09 musorgsky? that's my "never know" Dec 06 16:44:15 is apt histore kept on n900 or nuked? Dec 06 16:44:19 *history Dec 06 16:44:31 [18:43] why not use 'find' then? Dec 06 16:44:37 lol, nice one Dec 06 16:44:47 * CatButts pipes electrical signals directly into 'find' Dec 06 16:45:00 *electrical signals from his brain Dec 06 16:45:35 it was for managing connection through bluetooth, wireless and usb Dec 06 16:45:47 it was advertised as a helper for programmer/debuger Dec 06 16:45:50 something Dec 06 16:46:13 upon enabling usb network and plugging it into PC, it got recognized as a new usb device Dec 06 16:46:28 requiring special driver installed Dec 06 16:46:47 I can't find it in HAM Dec 06 16:46:58 by relevant terms Dec 06 16:47:05 oh, it's a GUI app Dec 06 16:47:07 not console Dec 06 16:47:15 apt-cache search helper ? Dec 06 16:47:50 does it search descriptions too? Dec 06 16:48:01 worth a shot Dec 06 16:48:06 I only tried HAM Dec 06 16:48:21 also, I found it before phone wipe Dec 06 16:48:42 2 maemo installs ago Dec 06 16:48:54 or 3 Dec 06 17:14:18 I am tempted to install python3.4 Dec 06 17:14:32 make a backup, then go for it Dec 06 17:14:40 gopher it Dec 06 17:14:52 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/gopher.it Dec 06 17:15:11 what's taken out of minimal? Dec 06 17:15:24 *out of python with minimal package Dec 06 17:19:10 i installed python3.4, haven't had any major problems so fare Dec 06 17:19:12 far* Dec 06 17:19:23 fart Dec 06 17:20:05 well, it's optified Dec 06 17:20:14 unlike php5 :P Dec 06 17:23:29 maemo's limited keypad makes me appreciate lack of braces :P Dec 06 17:37:18 xkb makes remapping easy :) Dec 06 17:38:18 n900 features quite a lot of keys for such a small keyboard actually :) Dec 06 17:38:30 plz could someone compile PyQt4 for python3.4? :> Dec 06 17:38:49 pkill9: someone could Dec 06 17:38:54 ;) Dec 06 17:39:05 but but but but but Dec 06 17:39:29 plz do it for me KotCzarny xP Dec 06 17:39:48 erm, lets see, my todo list extends probably +20 years from now Dec 06 17:39:48 CSSU updated lately =) Dec 06 17:40:18 I just wanted to know if cssu udpate will/won't come out in a thumb variant. Dec 06 17:40:43 thumb is quite a bit behind testing Dec 06 17:41:13 I think it was 2 years, before the recent update Dec 06 17:41:41 ooooooh i was'nt aware of that Dec 06 17:41:47 whats going on wit that now? is this to be resolved? Dec 06 17:42:02 i wasn't aware of thumb packages 'prioritized' over non-thumb pakcakges, however Dec 06 17:43:29 interesting Dec 06 17:43:39 python 2.5 doesn't even come with pip Dec 06 17:50:30 I think I should do the locate thing Dec 06 17:52:32 on windows, this is my friend Dec 06 17:52:33 http://www.voidtools.com/ Dec 06 17:52:50 learn find Dec 06 17:52:54 ntfs facilitates this Dec 06 17:53:07 how's ext2 by comparison? Dec 06 17:53:33 learn find Dec 06 17:53:56 sh: learn not found Dec 06 17:54:44