**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 13 03:00:02 2017 Dec 13 05:42:57 T9 keypad has some nice features which aren't usually available with qwerty keyboard. Such as, speed dial, besides obviously easy entering of a phone number; one-press switch to silent mode, or out of it... Dec 13 05:44:05 Qwerty is better for two-thumb text typing, I guess. And T9 for one-hand number-typing. Dec 13 05:44:20 yes Dec 13 05:45:35 there are more sophisticated one finger keyboards though already Dec 13 05:46:48 * Oksana laments lack of truly pocketable mobile phones, especially smart ones, in the recent years. Flip form-factor protects display from scratches better, and there are better ways to notify about incoming call than just one notification LED-dot - light effects isn't something commonly used... Dec 13 05:47:31 More sophisticated one finger keyboards? Which ones? :curious: Because I find it clumsy how letters are alphabetically placed on T9 keypad. Dec 13 05:48:10 check out swiftkey (though it might be only for android/ios) Dec 13 05:48:17 ABC: just look at boat vs coat, bat vs cat... Dec 13 05:48:53 hrm Dec 13 05:48:55 wrong name Dec 13 05:50:19 This one is interesting, and was made open-source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptxt Dec 13 05:52:22 darn, cant remember the name, but it was a small box with letter flying predicted by some algo Dec 13 05:52:41 Multi-tap I know, it's good for typing abracadabra freely. Wonder what kind of predicting adaptxt does... Dec 13 06:16:06 hah, found it 'dasher' Dec 13 06:16:16 http://www.inference.org.uk/dasher/ Dec 13 06:17:02 and it's opensource too Dec 13 07:49:53 that dasher looks interesting, and weird too :-) Dec 13 07:50:52 any takers to make frontcam+dasher input plugin for n900? ;) Dec 13 07:52:18 i vote for KotCzarny :) Dec 13 08:06:12 KotCzarny: eyetracking with the front cam? good luck Dec 13 08:06:43 ;) Dec 13 08:06:50 who said it has to be an eye Dec 13 15:52:59 pocketchip owners around? Dec 13 15:54:53 /me looks at the topic.. now on the question.. now on the topic again.. no? Dec 13 15:55:22 KotCzarny: aww, pfff Dec 13 15:55:35 if it has allwinner chip just go to #linux-sunxi though Dec 13 15:59:26 funny thing is nokia built similar setup almost 7 years earlier, and it had more features and was more pocketable Dec 13 15:59:34 (yes, n900) Dec 13 15:59:48 i know what a n900 is, what is your point KotCzarny ? Dec 13 16:02:51 kristianpaul: that n900 is better device in my opinion than pocketchip Dec 13 16:03:00 (specs wise too) Dec 13 16:03:38 one thing that p-chip has is mainline support. but it's only thanks to the hard work of the community Dec 13 16:08:11 oh sure, (better specs) Dec 13 16:08:32 i always wanted a n900 back then, just couldnt affor it :( Dec 13 16:08:44 yes, a13 is single core Dec 13 16:08:56 and n900 is overclockable to a13's speeds Dec 13 16:08:57 yeah, and thats horrible Dec 13 16:09:33 now you can, i bought my spares for ~20-30usd each Dec 13 16:09:38 in working conditions Dec 13 16:09:40 oh Dec 13 16:09:48 ebay or ? Dec 13 16:09:59 local classifieds site Dec 13 16:10:32 it was quite popular here, so many of them are available Dec 13 16:12:05 if you are new to the allwinner, you should also read linux-sunxi.org wiki Dec 13 16:12:37 lots of useful info Dec 13 16:14:52 I'm trying to get some real value from the pocketchip.. just tought maemo has a great env for that Dec 13 16:15:49 maemo is much more than just window manager and few themes Dec 13 16:16:33 and while there is opensourcing going on (ie. porting it to a33 based tablets and mainline in general), it's still far from plain user's usecase Dec 13 16:17:15 pocket makes great mobile hacking/devel thingy Dec 13 16:17:35 but you should first think what you want to do, not the other way round Dec 13 16:17:35 yeah Dec 13 16:19:14 * sicelo has just the chip sbc. haven't found enough time to play with it though Dec 13 16:19:35 sicelo: h3 or other? Dec 13 16:19:56 the $9 one, C.H.I.P Dec 13 16:20:06 ahm, c.h.i.p. not chip Dec 13 16:20:07 ;) Dec 13 16:20:44 afaik pocketchip is C.H.I.P with just keyboard and display integrated? Dec 13 16:21:01 yup Dec 13 16:21:04 and i think battery Dec 13 16:22:32 ^ Dec 13 16:22:34 yes Dec 13 16:31:31 kristianpaul: battery-wise I understood back then that they still have to work on power management Dec 13 16:32:09 ie the thing is a real guzzler in idle Dec 13 16:32:37 (but I suspect it's a software issue) Dec 13 16:32:40 lol yeah Dec 13 16:32:50 on allwinner they arent really power efficient Dec 13 16:32:59 expect 100mA in idle Dec 13 16:33:02 or more Dec 13 16:33:06 but i've have it on for 4 hour straight Dec 13 16:33:15 idle is not that bad tbh Dec 13 16:33:26 ho hum Dec 13 16:33:33 maybe a13 is frugal Dec 13 16:33:43 might be, it's cut down in all areas Dec 13 16:33:52 from what I remember they only wfi, without gating cpu/soc (or even downscaling pll) Dec 13 19:36:19 hmmmmm Dec 13 19:36:31 my files seem to be magically vanishing Dec 13 19:36:45 ever since I formated MyDocs to ext3 Dec 13 19:37:24 very spoopy Dec 13 19:37:32 self inflicted failure? Dec 13 19:37:48 mount ext3 with better journal option? Dec 13 20:34:43 oh hey, I sorted my mistery file dissapearance acts Dec 13 20:34:55 1. ext2fsd for win + ext3 Dec 13 20:35:06 2. folder permissions on the n900 Dec 14 00:45:52 Looking at scribus https://packages.debian.org/oldoldstable/scribus libc6, libgcc1 and libcairo2 are fine, even ghostscript and libfreetype6 seem to be fine, but libcups2 and libfontconfig1 dependencies require higher versions? /me huffs at high number of dependencies and apparent packing of backend Dec 14 00:46:47 and frontend into one package/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 14 03:00:00 2017